There is an active shooter at a Florida Highschool

[Faun]

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Evil Liberals Hurl Insults to Father of Florida Shooting Victim — Because He's a Trump Supporter!

That's as believable as your claim...

... the shooter's name is Nicolas Cruz

... the shooter is a registered Democrat

... the shooter was wearing a communist t-shirt

... the shooter is with Antifa

You're wrong so much, and you continue to post from unreliable sites, who can believe anything you post?

You are pretty fkn stupid.

LOL

You know how much that bothers me coming from you, right?

What a pity you couldn’t refute anything I said though. Now that would have bothered me.

 

[MarcATL]

Florida is a state drowning in guns. thanks in large part to people like Gov. Rick Scott.

Yep.

Sent from my SM-T587P using Tapatalk

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The US has a higher incarceration rate than you do

The US has more crime than you do.

Oh my fing God, that's brilliant. You're a genius. Our countries are not the same. Damn, I wish I'd realized that. Oh wait, I did. You didn't know that ...

It wasn't an insight. I was asked a question and answered it. Nothing more. Nothing less.

The US has shit drug and prostitution laws for a start. Get those sorted and your incarceration rate would halve. And the tax bill associated with that. THen again, you have private prisons, so there is a driver right there for people to be incarcerated. Especially if you are a shareholder in that prison company and you give judges back handers.

Well, I agree on the drugs and prostitution.

The thing is that you keep arguing we should just pass laws. You really don't address that we are very different country. We have a million illegal aliens entering our country. And we have no southern border. The drug dealers who already exist can import guns. Think about it.

We also have 300 million guns. All our gun laws are doing is making it easier for mass shooters. And each one tries to outdo the last one and no one has guns to stop them. Gun owners are overwhelmingly good people who learn to use them safely. And the ones who aren't can get them anyway. I know, I came from there even though I've lived my adult life in urban areas.

Australia is like NZ both in demographics and in that you have no borders or millions of illegal aliens, drugs and guns flowing freely in. To just say gun laws is so shallow. And it's clearly not working, and you don't address that either.

The Washington Navy yard was the epitome example of the stupidity of our laws where people who owned and knew how to use them were prohibited from having them and died because of it

. SECURE THE SCHOOL BORDERS !!

Secure the points or entry and exit to all U.S. schools, and do it with metal detectors, barriers, and armed gaurds. No one in or out without being processed through these check points.

It can be done, and it can be done without it looking or feeling like a prison system.

For those of you who are big metal detector fans, let me tell you my story.

I went to a job interview at the area VA headquarters last week. There are armed security guards, pass cards, and x-ray machine at the entrance. I carefully removed my wallet, keys, cell phone and notebook and placed them on the conveyor. It took about 10 seconds. When I stepped through the metal detector, guess what? It went off.

I was directed to stand on some footprints and the guard went over me with the hand wand. My sport coat buttons went off on each arm, my wrist watch (plastic BTW), every button down the front, my belt buckle, my zipper in my pants, and for some reason it alarmed on both of my ankles, despite there being nothing there to alarm. I was wanded front and back, had to raise my hands above my head so the buttons could be checked, the guard then hand checked my beltline all the way around and I had to pull my pant legs up to show I had nothing around my ankles. That took at least 3 minutes.

Imagine having to do the same thing to 4000 high school students in about a 20 minute period of time. Think it can be done? Not a chance! Numbers don't lie!

 

[Dr Grump]

And yet you have zero idea how to accomplish that, so thanks

What thread have you been reading? Not only have I mentioned how to accomplish it on this thread, I have mentioned it on several threads on this board over the past 12 years.

There are 1800 posts in this thread. You got me, I didn't read every post

Not my problem..;oP

 

[Dr Grump]

SECURE THE SCHOOL BORDERS !!

Secure the points or entry and exit to all U.S. schools, and do it with metal detectors, barriers, and armed gaurds. No one in or out without being processed through these check points.

It can be done, and it can be done without it looking or feeling like a prison system.

Yay!! And which country claims to be the freest of them all...RATFLMAO!!!

 

[Faun]

Again, then why do these mass shootings only seem to happen in nice white communities?

You mean like the dozens of shootings each week in Black South Chicago?

I don't have time to answer any more of your Moon Bat stupidity this morning. I am on my way to the shooting range to shoot three of my AR-15s. God bless America. MAGA Baby!

MAGA baby!

. So he was attempting to set Trump and the conservatives up eh ?? Is that what your inference is here ??? Didn't work, because he was a fraud. Now if he was a leftist, then what have the leftist created now is the question ??

Nope, he was not trying to set up Trump or conservatives. He IS a conservative who supports Trump.

. Prove it !!

He insults Muslims... he’s donning a MAGA cap... guns get him sportin’ wood... it’s reported he hangs with a white supremist group... and you can’t find anything Liberal about him.

 

[MindWars]

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Evil Liberals Hurl Insults to Father of Florida Shooting Victim — Because He's a Trump Supporter!

That's as believable as your claim...

... the shooter's name is Nicolas Cruz

... the shooter is a registered Democrat

... the shooter was wearing a communist t-shirt

... the shooter is with Antifa

You're wrong so much, and you continue to post from unreliable sites, who can believe anything you post?

You are pretty fkn stupid.

LOL

You know how much that bothers me coming from you, right?

What a pity you couldn’t refute anything I said though. Now that would have bothered me.

Like it was said before you are pretty fkn stupid. lol

 

[TheGreenHornet]

The US has a higher incarceration rate than you do

The US has more crime than you do.

Oh my fing God, that's brilliant. You're a genius. Our countries are not the same. Damn, I wish I'd realized that. Oh wait, I did. You didn't know that ...

It wasn't an insight. I was asked a question and answered it. Nothing more. Nothing less.

The US has shit drug and prostitution laws for a start. Get those sorted and your incarceration rate would halve. And the tax bill associated with that. THen again, you have private prisons, so there is a driver right there for people to be incarcerated. Especially if you are a shareholder in that prison company and you give judges back handers.

Well, I agree on the drugs and prostitution.

The thing is that you keep arguing we should just pass laws. You really don't address that we are very different country. We have a million illegal aliens entering our country. And we have no southern border. The drug dealers who already exist can import guns. Think about it.

We also have 300 million guns. All our gun laws are doing is making it easier for mass shooters. And each one tries to outdo the last one and no one has guns to stop them. Gun owners are overwhelmingly good people who learn to use them safely. And the ones who aren't can get them anyway. I know, I came from there even though I've lived my adult life in urban areas.

Australia is like NZ both in demographics and in that you have no borders or millions of illegal aliens, drugs and guns flowing freely in. To just say gun laws is so shallow. And it's clearly not working, and you don't address that either.

The Washington Navy yard was the epitome example of the stupidity of our laws where people who owned and knew how to use them were prohibited from having them and died because of it

. SECURE THE SCHOOL BORDERS !!

Secure the points or entry and exit to all U.S. schools, and do it with metal detectors, barriers, and armed gaurds. No one in or out without being processed through these check points.

It can be done, and it can be done without it looking or feeling like a prison system.

The US has a higher incarceration rate than you do

The US has more crime than you do.

Oh my fing God, that's brilliant. You're a genius. Our countries are not the same. Damn, I wish I'd realized that. Oh wait, I did. You didn't know that ...

It wasn't an insight. I was asked a question and answered it. Nothing more. Nothing less.

The US has shit drug and prostitution laws for a start. Get those sorted and your incarceration rate would halve. And the tax bill associated with that. THen again, you have private prisons, so there is a driver right there for people to be incarcerated. Especially if you are a shareholder in that prison company and you give judges back handers.

Well, I agree on the drugs and prostitution.

The thing is that you keep arguing we should just pass laws. You really don't address that we are very different country. We have a million illegal aliens entering our country. And we have no southern border. The drug dealers who already exist can import guns. Think about it.

We also have 300 million guns. All our gun laws are doing is making it easier for mass shooters. And each one tries to outdo the last one and no one has guns to stop them. Gun owners are overwhelmingly good people who learn to use them safely. And the ones who aren't can get them anyway. I know, I came from there even though I've lived my adult life in urban areas.

Australia is like NZ both in demographics and in that you have no borders or millions of illegal aliens, drugs and guns flowing freely in. To just say gun laws is so shallow. And it's clearly not working, and you don't address that either.

The Washington Navy yard was the epitome example of the stupidity of our laws where people who owned and knew how to use them were prohibited from having them and died because of it

. SECURE THE SCHOOL BORDERS !!

Secure the points or entry and exit to all U.S. schools, and do it with metal detectors, barriers, and armed gaurds. No one in or out without being processed through these check points.

It can be done, and it can be done without it looking or feeling like a prison system.

At a tremendous cost and not even the best approach.....I would sanction arming school teachers or the ones who could be trained to handle a weapon in a competent mode...much more economical ...in fact it would be at a miniscule cost....but even more to the point there needs to be a study as to what motivates these school shooters.....the first thing that must be recognized is that it appears the majority of these shooter are the victims of bullies....thust the first thing that needs to be dealt with is all the bullying that is going on in schools...the schools have not dealt with that situation and until they do we will continue to see these bullied kids try and get revenge....in a lot of these cases if not most the teachers know who is bullied and they know who the bullies are...yet they do nothing. This latest case even the FBI was notified about the threat this kid posed and they did nothing....so lots of people are dropping the ball....and this must be understood and remedied. Unfotunately well meaning people mostly liberals are muddying their waters and with their supporters in the mainstream media have convinced a lot of gullible folks that guns are the problem....definitely not the main problem. We could do a better job on weeding out the psychos ability to legally purchase weapons though.

 

[Faun]

View attachment 176980


Evil Liberals Hurl Insults to Father of Florida Shooting Victim — Because He's a Trump Supporter!

That's as believable as your claim...

... the shooter's name is Nicolas Cruz

... the shooter is a registered Democrat

... the shooter was wearing a communist t-shirt

... the shooter is with Antifa

You're wrong so much, and you continue to post from unreliable sites, who can believe anything you post?

You are pretty fkn stupid.

LOL

You know how much that bothers me coming from you, right?

What a pity you couldn’t refute anything I said though. Now that would have bothered me.

Like it was said before you are pretty fkn stupid. lol

No, says you. But you’re a nobody who’s proven to fall for fake news every single time. And again, everyone of these points are evidence of fake news you’ve fallen for. Hell, even you know it which is why you resort to name calling in lieu of rebuttal — because you can’t deny falling for...

... the shooter's name is Nicolas Cruz

... the shooter is a registered Democrat

... the shooter was wearing a communist t-shirt

... the shooter is with Antifa

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The US has a higher incarceration rate than you do

The US has more crime than you do.

Oh my fing God, that's brilliant. You're a genius. Our countries are not the same. Damn, I wish I'd realized that. Oh wait, I did. You didn't know that ...

It wasn't an insight. I was asked a question and answered it. Nothing more. Nothing less.

The US has shit drug and prostitution laws for a start. Get those sorted and your incarceration rate would halve. And the tax bill associated with that. THen again, you have private prisons, so there is a driver right there for people to be incarcerated. Especially if you are a shareholder in that prison company and you give judges back handers.

Well, I agree on the drugs and prostitution.

The thing is that you keep arguing we should just pass laws. You really don't address that we are very different country. We have a million illegal aliens entering our country. And we have no southern border. The drug dealers who already exist can import guns. Think about it.

We also have 300 million guns. All our gun laws are doing is making it easier for mass shooters. And each one tries to outdo the last one and no one has guns to stop them. Gun owners are overwhelmingly good people who learn to use them safely. And the ones who aren't can get them anyway. I know, I came from there even though I've lived my adult life in urban areas.

Australia is like NZ both in demographics and in that you have no borders or millions of illegal aliens, drugs and guns flowing freely in. To just say gun laws is so shallow. And it's clearly not working, and you don't address that either.

The Washington Navy yard was the epitome example of the stupidity of our laws where people who owned and knew how to use them were prohibited from having them and died because of it

. SECURE THE SCHOOL BORDERS !!

Secure the points or entry and exit to all U.S. schools, and do it with metal detectors, barriers, and armed gaurds. No one in or out without being processed through these check points.

It can be done, and it can be done without it looking or feeling like a prison system.

The US has a higher incarceration rate than you do

The US has more crime than you do.

Oh my fing God, that's brilliant. You're a genius. Our countries are not the same. Damn, I wish I'd realized that. Oh wait, I did. You didn't know that ...

It wasn't an insight. I was asked a question and answered it. Nothing more. Nothing less.

The US has shit drug and prostitution laws for a start. Get those sorted and your incarceration rate would halve. And the tax bill associated with that. THen again, you have private prisons, so there is a driver right there for people to be incarcerated. Especially if you are a shareholder in that prison company and you give judges back handers.

Well, I agree on the drugs and prostitution.

The thing is that you keep arguing we should just pass laws. You really don't address that we are very different country. We have a million illegal aliens entering our country. And we have no southern border. The drug dealers who already exist can import guns. Think about it.

We also have 300 million guns. All our gun laws are doing is making it easier for mass shooters. And each one tries to outdo the last one and no one has guns to stop them. Gun owners are overwhelmingly good people who learn to use them safely. And the ones who aren't can get them anyway. I know, I came from there even though I've lived my adult life in urban areas.

Australia is like NZ both in demographics and in that you have no borders or millions of illegal aliens, drugs and guns flowing freely in. To just say gun laws is so shallow. And it's clearly not working, and you don't address that either.

The Washington Navy yard was the epitome example of the stupidity of our laws where people who owned and knew how to use them were prohibited from having them and died because of it

. SECURE THE SCHOOL BORDERS !!

Secure the points or entry and exit to all U.S. schools, and do it with metal detectors, barriers, and armed gaurds. No one in or out without being processed through these check points.

It can be done, and it can be done without it looking or feeling like a prison system.

At a tremendous cost and not even the best approach.....I would sanction arming school teachers or the ones who could be trained to handle a weapon in a competent mode...much more economical ...in fact it would be at a miniscule cost....but even more to the point there needs to be a study as to what motivates these school shooters.....the first thing that must be recognized is that it appears the majority of these shooter are the victims of bullies....thust the first thing that needs to be dealt with is all the bullying that is going on in schools...the schools have not dealt with that situation and until they do we will continue to see these bullied kids try and get revenge....in a lot of these cases if not most the teachers know who is bullied and they know who the bullies are...yet they do nothing. This latest case even the FBI was notified about the threat this kid posed and they did nothing....so lots of people are dropping the ball....and this must be understood and remedied. Unfotunately well meaning people mostly liberals are muddying their waters and with their supporters in the mainstream media have convinced a lot of gullible folks that guns are the problem....definitely not the main problem. We could do a better job on weeding out the psychos ability to legally purchase weapons though.

There are lots of people saying the FBI should have done something!

Everyone claims they have the power to impose their will on people who have not committed a crime.

What should they have done?

So far, I have yet to see anyone come up with a course of action for them other than, "They should have done something!"

As a freedom loving American, who sanctioned them to be the thought police?

Why doesn't someone explain just what you propose they should have done?

 

[depotoo]

Local law enforcement: No ties between militia and Florida high school shooter
Local law enforcement: No ties between militia and Florida high school shooter

You mean like the dozens of shootings each week in Black South Chicago?

I don't have time to answer any more of your Moon Bat stupidity this morning. I am on my way to the shooting range to shoot three of my AR-15s. God bless America. MAGA Baby!

MAGA baby!

. So he was attempting to set Trump and the conservatives up eh ?? Is that what your inference is here ??? Didn't work, because he was a fraud. Now if he was a leftist, then what have the leftist created now is the question ??

Nope, he was not trying to set up Trump or conservatives. He IS a conservative who supports Trump.

. Prove it !!

He insults Muslims... he’s donning a MAGA cap... guns get him sportin’ wood... it’s reported he hangs with a white supremist group... and you can’t find anything Liberal about him.

 

[depotoo]

They figured out in less than 24 hours that he was the one who posted he was going to be a professional school shooter after he did it, but not within a year of when he was reported.

The US has a higher incarceration rate than you do

The US has more crime than you do.

Oh my fing God, that's brilliant. You're a genius. Our countries are not the same. Damn, I wish I'd realized that. Oh wait, I did. You didn't know that ...

It wasn't an insight. I was asked a question and answered it. Nothing more. Nothing less.

The US has shit drug and prostitution laws for a start. Get those sorted and your incarceration rate would halve. And the tax bill associated with that. THen again, you have private prisons, so there is a driver right there for people to be incarcerated. Especially if you are a shareholder in that prison company and you give judges back handers.

Well, I agree on the drugs and prostitution.

The thing is that you keep arguing we should just pass laws. You really don't address that we are very different country. We have a million illegal aliens entering our country. And we have no southern border. The drug dealers who already exist can import guns. Think about it.

We also have 300 million guns. All our gun laws are doing is making it easier for mass shooters. And each one tries to outdo the last one and no one has guns to stop them. Gun owners are overwhelmingly good people who learn to use them safely. And the ones who aren't can get them anyway. I know, I came from there even though I've lived my adult life in urban areas.

Australia is like NZ both in demographics and in that you have no borders or millions of illegal aliens, drugs and guns flowing freely in. To just say gun laws is so shallow. And it's clearly not working, and you don't address that either.

The Washington Navy yard was the epitome example of the stupidity of our laws where people who owned and knew how to use them were prohibited from having them and died because of it

. SECURE THE SCHOOL BORDERS !!

Secure the points or entry and exit to all U.S. schools, and do it with metal detectors, barriers, and armed gaurds. No one in or out without being processed through these check points.

It can be done, and it can be done without it looking or feeling like a prison system.

The US has a higher incarceration rate than you do

The US has more crime than you do.

Oh my fing God, that's brilliant. You're a genius. Our countries are not the same. Damn, I wish I'd realized that. Oh wait, I did. You didn't know that ...

It wasn't an insight. I was asked a question and answered it. Nothing more. Nothing less.

The US has shit drug and prostitution laws for a start. Get those sorted and your incarceration rate would halve. And the tax bill associated with that. THen again, you have private prisons, so there is a driver right there for people to be incarcerated. Especially if you are a shareholder in that prison company and you give judges back handers.

Well, I agree on the drugs and prostitution.

The thing is that you keep arguing we should just pass laws. You really don't address that we are very different country. We have a million illegal aliens entering our country. And we have no southern border. The drug dealers who already exist can import guns. Think about it.

We also have 300 million guns. All our gun laws are doing is making it easier for mass shooters. And each one tries to outdo the last one and no one has guns to stop them. Gun owners are overwhelmingly good people who learn to use them safely. And the ones who aren't can get them anyway. I know, I came from there even though I've lived my adult life in urban areas.

Australia is like NZ both in demographics and in that you have no borders or millions of illegal aliens, drugs and guns flowing freely in. To just say gun laws is so shallow. And it's clearly not working, and you don't address that either.

The Washington Navy yard was the epitome example of the stupidity of our laws where people who owned and knew how to use them were prohibited from having them and died because of it

. SECURE THE SCHOOL BORDERS !!

Secure the points or entry and exit to all U.S. schools, and do it with metal detectors, barriers, and armed gaurds. No one in or out without being processed through these check points.

It can be done, and it can be done without it looking or feeling like a prison system.

At a tremendous cost and not even the best approach.....I would sanction arming school teachers or the ones who could be trained to handle a weapon in a competent mode...much more economical ...in fact it would be at a miniscule cost....but even more to the point there needs to be a study as to what motivates these school shooters.....the first thing that must be recognized is that it appears the majority of these shooter are the victims of bullies....thust the first thing that needs to be dealt with is all the bullying that is going on in schools...the schools have not dealt with that situation and until they do we will continue to see these bullied kids try and get revenge....in a lot of these cases if not most the teachers know who is bullied and they know who the bullies are...yet they do nothing. This latest case even the FBI was notified about the threat this kid posed and they did nothing....so lots of people are dropping the ball....and this must be understood and remedied. Unfotunately well meaning people mostly liberals are muddying their waters and with their supporters in the mainstream media have convinced a lot of gullible folks that guns are the problem....definitely not the main problem. We could do a better job on weeding out the psychos ability to legally purchase weapons though.

There are lots of people saying the FBI should have done something!

Everyone claims they have the power to impose their will on people who have not committed a crime.

What should they have done?

So far, I have yet to see anyone come up with a course of action for them other than, "They should have done something!"

As a freedom loving American, who sanctioned them to be the thought police?

Why doesn't someone explain just what you propose they should have done?

 

[beagle9]

The US has a higher incarceration rate than you do

The US has more crime than you do.

Oh my fing God, that's brilliant. You're a genius. Our countries are not the same. Damn, I wish I'd realized that. Oh wait, I did. You didn't know that ...

It wasn't an insight. I was asked a question and answered it. Nothing more. Nothing less.

The US has shit drug and prostitution laws for a start. Get those sorted and your incarceration rate would halve. And the tax bill associated with that. THen again, you have private prisons, so there is a driver right there for people to be incarcerated. Especially if you are a shareholder in that prison company and you give judges back handers.

Well, I agree on the drugs and prostitution.

The thing is that you keep arguing we should just pass laws. You really don't address that we are very different country. We have a million illegal aliens entering our country. And we have no southern border. The drug dealers who already exist can import guns. Think about it.

We also have 300 million guns. All our gun laws are doing is making it easier for mass shooters. And each one tries to outdo the last one and no one has guns to stop them. Gun owners are overwhelmingly good people who learn to use them safely. And the ones who aren't can get them anyway. I know, I came from there even though I've lived my adult life in urban areas.

Australia is like NZ both in demographics and in that you have no borders or millions of illegal aliens, drugs and guns flowing freely in. To just say gun laws is so shallow. And it's clearly not working, and you don't address that either.

The Washington Navy yard was the epitome example of the stupidity of our laws where people who owned and knew how to use them were prohibited from having them and died because of it

. SECURE THE SCHOOL BORDERS !!

Secure the points or entry and exit to all U.S. schools, and do it with metal detectors, barriers, and armed gaurds. No one in or out without being processed through these check points.

It can be done, and it can be done without it looking or feeling like a prison system.

For those of you who are big metal detector fans, let me tell you my story.

I went to a job interview at the area VA headquarters last week. There are armed security guards, pass cards, and x-ray machine at the entrance. I carefully removed my wallet, keys, cell phone and notebook and placed them on the conveyor. It took about 10 seconds. When I stepped through the metal detector, guess what? It went off.

I was directed to stand on some footprints and the guard went over me with the hand wand. My sport coat buttons went off on each arm, my wrist watch (plastic BTW), every button down the front, my belt buckle, my zipper in my pants, and for some reason it alarmed on both of my ankles, despite there being nothing there to alarm. I was wanded front and back, had to raise my hands above my head so the buttons could be checked, the guard then hand checked my beltline all the way around and I had to pull my pant legs up to show I had nothing around my ankles. That took at least 3 minutes.

Imagine having to do the same thing to 4000 high school students in about a 20 minute period of time. Think it can be done? Not a chance! Numbers don't lie!

. Simple, if installed then proper attire would be recommended for the students to wear in order to speed up their entrance processing. Once trained up it would be routine without it being on the minds of students as a burden to have to deal with. These things can be done, and they should be done. No more excuses.. Our kids depend on us to make their environment safe.

 

[beagle9]

The US has a higher incarceration rate than you do

The US has more crime than you do.

Oh my fing God, that's brilliant. You're a genius. Our countries are not the same. Damn, I wish I'd realized that. Oh wait, I did. You didn't know that ...

It wasn't an insight. I was asked a question and answered it. Nothing more. Nothing less.

The US has shit drug and prostitution laws for a start. Get those sorted and your incarceration rate would halve. And the tax bill associated with that. THen again, you have private prisons, so there is a driver right there for people to be incarcerated. Especially if you are a shareholder in that prison company and you give judges back handers.

Well, I agree on the drugs and prostitution.

The thing is that you keep arguing we should just pass laws. You really don't address that we are very different country. We have a million illegal aliens entering our country. And we have no southern border. The drug dealers who already exist can import guns. Think about it.

We also have 300 million guns. All our gun laws are doing is making it easier for mass shooters. And each one tries to outdo the last one and no one has guns to stop them. Gun owners are overwhelmingly good people who learn to use them safely. And the ones who aren't can get them anyway. I know, I came from there even though I've lived my adult life in urban areas.

Australia is like NZ both in demographics and in that you have no borders or millions of illegal aliens, drugs and guns flowing freely in. To just say gun laws is so shallow. And it's clearly not working, and you don't address that either.

The Washington Navy yard was the epitome example of the stupidity of our laws where people who owned and knew how to use them were prohibited from having them and died because of it

. SECURE THE SCHOOL BORDERS !!

Secure the points or entry and exit to all U.S. schools, and do it with metal detectors, barriers, and armed gaurds. No one in or out without being processed through these check points.

It can be done, and it can be done without it looking or feeling like a prison system.

The US has a higher incarceration rate than you do

The US has more crime than you do.

Oh my fing God, that's brilliant. You're a genius. Our countries are not the same. Damn, I wish I'd realized that. Oh wait, I did. You didn't know that ...

It wasn't an insight. I was asked a question and answered it. Nothing more. Nothing less.

The US has shit drug and prostitution laws for a start. Get those sorted and your incarceration rate would halve. And the tax bill associated with that. THen again, you have private prisons, so there is a driver right there for people to be incarcerated. Especially if you are a shareholder in that prison company and you give judges back handers.

Well, I agree on the drugs and prostitution.

The thing is that you keep arguing we should just pass laws. You really don't address that we are very different country. We have a million illegal aliens entering our country. And we have no southern border. The drug dealers who already exist can import guns. Think about it.

We also have 300 million guns. All our gun laws are doing is making it easier for mass shooters. And each one tries to outdo the last one and no one has guns to stop them. Gun owners are overwhelmingly good people who learn to use them safely. And the ones who aren't can get them anyway. I know, I came from there even though I've lived my adult life in urban areas.

Australia is like NZ both in demographics and in that you have no borders or millions of illegal aliens, drugs and guns flowing freely in. To just say gun laws is so shallow. And it's clearly not working, and you don't address that either.

The Washington Navy yard was the epitome example of the stupidity of our laws where people who owned and knew how to use them were prohibited from having them and died because of it

. SECURE THE SCHOOL BORDERS !!

Secure the points or entry and exit to all U.S. schools, and do it with metal detectors, barriers, and armed gaurds. No one in or out without being processed through these check points.

It can be done, and it can be done without it looking or feeling like a prison system.

At a tremendous cost and not even the best approach.....I would sanction arming school teachers or the ones who could be trained to handle a weapon in a competent mode...much more economical ...in fact it would be at a miniscule cost....but even more to the point there needs to be a study as to what motivates these school shooters.....the first thing that must be recognized is that it appears the majority of these shooter are the victims of bullies....thust the first thing that needs to be dealt with is all the bullying that is going on in schools...the schools have not dealt with that situation and until they do we will continue to see these bullied kids try and get revenge....in a lot of these cases if not most the teachers know who is bullied and they know who the bullies are...yet they do nothing. This latest case even the FBI was notified about the threat this kid posed and they did nothing....so lots of people are dropping the ball....and this must be understood and remedied. Unfotunately well meaning people mostly liberals are muddying their waters and with their supporters in the mainstream media have convinced a lot of gullible folks that guns are the problem....definitely not the main problem. We could do a better job on weeding out the psychos ability to legally purchase weapons though.

There are lots of people saying the FBI should have done something!

Everyone claims they have the power to impose their will on people who have not committed a crime.

What should they have done?

So far, I have yet to see anyone come up with a course of action for them other than, "They should have done something!"

As a freedom loving American, who sanctioned them to be the thought police?

Why doesn't someone explain just what you propose they should have done?

. They should have taken the statement seriously, and found out who wrote it, and once found they would have found the other more sinister side to the demon. They would have realized that he was serious when wrote that statement.

 

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He even posted the comment with his name and I heard a news report there are only 6 people in the country that spell it the way he does.

It wasn't an insight. I was asked a question and answered it. Nothing more. Nothing less.

The US has shit drug and prostitution laws for a start. Get those sorted and your incarceration rate would halve. And the tax bill associated with that. THen again, you have private prisons, so there is a driver right there for people to be incarcerated. Especially if you are a shareholder in that prison company and you give judges back handers.

Well, I agree on the drugs and prostitution.

The thing is that you keep arguing we should just pass laws. You really don't address that we are very different country. We have a million illegal aliens entering our country. And we have no southern border. The drug dealers who already exist can import guns. Think about it.

We also have 300 million guns. All our gun laws are doing is making it easier for mass shooters. And each one tries to outdo the last one and no one has guns to stop them. Gun owners are overwhelmingly good people who learn to use them safely. And the ones who aren't can get them anyway. I know, I came from there even though I've lived my adult life in urban areas.

Australia is like NZ both in demographics and in that you have no borders or millions of illegal aliens, drugs and guns flowing freely in. To just say gun laws is so shallow. And it's clearly not working, and you don't address that either.

The Washington Navy yard was the epitome example of the stupidity of our laws where people who owned and knew how to use them were prohibited from having them and died because of it

. SECURE THE SCHOOL BORDERS !!

Secure the points or entry and exit to all U.S. schools, and do it with metal detectors, barriers, and armed gaurds. No one in or out without being processed through these check points.

It can be done, and it can be done without it looking or feeling like a prison system.

It wasn't an insight. I was asked a question and answered it. Nothing more. Nothing less.

The US has shit drug and prostitution laws for a start. Get those sorted and your incarceration rate would halve. And the tax bill associated with that. THen again, you have private prisons, so there is a driver right there for people to be incarcerated. Especially if you are a shareholder in that prison company and you give judges back handers.

Well, I agree on the drugs and prostitution.

The thing is that you keep arguing we should just pass laws. You really don't address that we are very different country. We have a million illegal aliens entering our country. And we have no southern border. The drug dealers who already exist can import guns. Think about it.

We also have 300 million guns. All our gun laws are doing is making it easier for mass shooters. And each one tries to outdo the last one and no one has guns to stop them. Gun owners are overwhelmingly good people who learn to use them safely. And the ones who aren't can get them anyway. I know, I came from there even though I've lived my adult life in urban areas.

Australia is like NZ both in demographics and in that you have no borders or millions of illegal aliens, drugs and guns flowing freely in. To just say gun laws is so shallow. And it's clearly not working, and you don't address that either.

The Washington Navy yard was the epitome example of the stupidity of our laws where people who owned and knew how to use them were prohibited from having them and died because of it

. SECURE THE SCHOOL BORDERS !!

Secure the points or entry and exit to all U.S. schools, and do it with metal detectors, barriers, and armed gaurds. No one in or out without being processed through these check points.

It can be done, and it can be done without it looking or feeling like a prison system.

At a tremendous cost and not even the best approach.....I would sanction arming school teachers or the ones who could be trained to handle a weapon in a competent mode...much more economical ...in fact it would be at a miniscule cost....but even more to the point there needs to be a study as to what motivates these school shooters.....the first thing that must be recognized is that it appears the majority of these shooter are the victims of bullies....thust the first thing that needs to be dealt with is all the bullying that is going on in schools...the schools have not dealt with that situation and until they do we will continue to see these bullied kids try and get revenge....in a lot of these cases if not most the teachers know who is bullied and they know who the bullies are...yet they do nothing. This latest case even the FBI was notified about the threat this kid posed and they did nothing....so lots of people are dropping the ball....and this must be understood and remedied. Unfotunately well meaning people mostly liberals are muddying their waters and with their supporters in the mainstream media have convinced a lot of gullible folks that guns are the problem....definitely not the main problem. We could do a better job on weeding out the psychos ability to legally purchase weapons though.

There are lots of people saying the FBI should have done something!

Everyone claims they have the power to impose their will on people who have not committed a crime.

What should they have done?

So far, I have yet to see anyone come up with a course of action for them other than, "They should have done something!"

As a freedom loving American, who sanctioned them to be the thought police?

Why doesn't someone explain just what you propose they should have done?

. They should have taken the statement seriously, and found out who wrote it, and once found they would have found the other more sinister side to the demon. They would have realized that he was serious when wrote that statement.

 

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Doctor Grump likes to pretend everyone lives a small population homogeneous country with no international borders like he does. I mean, what works in Mayberry RFD will work everywhere, right?

He's not interested at all in learning anything about the United States and how it's different than New Zealand. Just lecturing us how they do it and assuming it would work here

Posted by a friend of mine in Sydney, who is a New Yorker. He wondered in his post that maybe the reason wasn't guns, maybe it was the water....

Yeah, but our mass murderers kill a lot fewer people than the leftist mass murderers like Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Mussolini, Chavez, Castro, ... do.

And guns are one of the reasons why. Your country is very homogeneous, you have no borders, you have a tiny population compared to ours, you aren't importing murderers and criminals without checking them out like we are, you have the ability to lock up the mentally ill like we don't.

There are so many differences and yet all you do to address any of that is throw out insightful statistics.

What is clear in shooting after shooting is that our gun laws work, the victims aren't armed. Good job on that

Left and Right, Liberal and Conservative can have radically different meanings in different countries, particularly in the US. In many ways American Conservatives are actually very liberal and American liberals at times would be considered very conservative in other countries.
IMHO, it is the issues that are important, not the ideologies.

 

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I keep hearing people say that the shooters aren't crazy or they don't "seem" crazy, but there are different levels of crazy. Some people can hide their crazy quite well. Psychopaths have been described as being some of the most charming and nicest of people who fit in well with their communities. You don't have to be a blubbering tard to be crazy.

Mental illnesses does not respect political parties, sex, race, religion, or nationality. Maybe in a few hundred or thousand years, people will learn that effective treatment of mental illness is the solution to most of our social problems, but that's a long way off.

 

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Left is going to use this shooting (just like any other) to push for anti-gun narrative. Before they do, they should remember that they are the ones who radicalized people like this.

When all the smoke clears, I'm betting that the shooter is once again found to have ties with and or alliances with the democratic party, Obama supporter, or his parents are. These people never turn out to be moral, upstanding, conservatives. As to other countries, what they don't have is American Common Core Public Schools turning out violent kids looking to come back to "get even" with all of their dysfunctional teachers and classmates who put this need to murder in their minds.

WHEN will schools finally be held accountable for not protecting these kids by locking the doors, having metal detectors and having teachers and guards throughout the school who are well-armed and well-trained with firearms? The problem is obviously NOT THE GUNS, but our unfamiliarity with them anymore by a liberal culture trying to remove them from people's lives. WE have created a generation of defenseless people who know nothing but how to hide in terror under a desk.

Oh, get serious. This kid didn't go on a shooting rampage because he supported Obama or because he hated Trump, or he was seeking 47 virgins in paradise.

Never said he did. All bullshit leftist data posted by others aside, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE SCHOOL SHOOTINGS has had a liberal influence in the family. Not one of them was from a strong, moral, conservative upbringing. If there are a few white supremacists out there committing crimes, their numbers pale in comparison and hardly make the news. There is something about liberal upbringing that makes people crazy. Normal people don't go out doing this stuff. Liberals are the Antifa who run around in black masks beating up women and knocking down statues of dead soldiers and traveling the country looking for fights to start, tearing up campuses, breaking windows, stomping police cars, rioting in cities, trying to put men in girls bathrooms, attacking their own country and going berserk because some sensible person comes to their campus to give some different views to hear and think about. Liberals are crazy. Liberals are intolerant. They are mental defects. Liberals are liars who punish kids for playing cops and robbers now and we didn't have this national problem until liberals got a hold of controlling our media and our schools. Look at liberals now: When GW Bush was in, they went berserk with vitriol at the man! Now that another non-Leftist is in the WH, they deny he is even President, try to block his administration as if it were Satan incarnate and are trying to get the man impeached on any phony charge they can dream up in their little minds. Good God, he's just a businessman who cared enough to put his life aside to try to help fix the country.

Children are perceptive. They have an intuition about what's bull and what is not. We are forcing kids into these insane asylums we call "schools" now where everyday the system sets up a conflict of irrational restrictions, rules and unfair punishments, and it builds up in these kids and they internalize it until finally, one of them snaps, gets a hold of a gun somewhere, and wants nothing more than to come back and blow away the very people who have tormented their lives.

Guns are not the problem and no gun law in the world will ever solve anything. There are MILLIONS of guns everywhere and people are not going to turn them in and the people will not stand for having their Constitution turned on its head and even if you turn this country into a police state where every home is broken down and searched and every gun is confiscated by force, a solution far worse than the problems sought solved, people will still hide a lot of the guns and all of the criminals will still have guns and millions more guns will be snuck back into the country and all of the elite will still have theirs and all you will do is escalate this country into a police state where everyone fears and mistrusts their neighbor, crime will soar and kids will still find a new way of taking it out on those they hate.

If you want to solve the school problem, you NEED TO CHANGE THE SCHOOLS and you need to change society to get all of this mind numbing PC bullshit out of our culture. We never had this problem until liberalism ran rampant to where it cripples every industry and aspect of our country now, to where states and cities now even fight to oppose their own government to oppose enforcing laws on rounding up CRIMINALS from other countries.

If you want to see why these kids are shooting up schools, if you are a liberal, go put down your computer for a minute right now, walk to the nearest mirror and LOOK RIGHT AT THE PROBLEM.

So the shooter at Sandy Hook, Adam Lanza was under liberal influence of his family. Maybe you should do a little research before putting your foot in your mouth.

Adam's parents, Peter and Nancy Lanza seemed to be a typical middle class couple living in Newtown, Conn in a middle class neighborhood, Sandy Hook. Money from Nancy's relatives provide enough money that there was no need for her to work. Peter taught school and the couple lived pretty unremarkable lives. Both Peter, Nancy, and Adam loved guns and had quite an arena which included assault style rifles and and hand guns. Police discovered NRA certificates in Nancy and Adam's name. Nancy had commented that, "she doesn't believe gun laws should be changed. "It's the person who does the killing, not the gun," she also said. "I thank God every day that my kids have faith and know right from wrong. Adam went to parochial school and then was home schooled by Nancy.

Exactly what liberal influence of his family do you think Adam was under, his family love of guns, the NRA, Homeschooling, or their religious beliefs. From all the evidence it seems these people were definitely conservative not liberal.

Although you seem to have very strong political bias, I think if you actually research school shootings, you would see that the causes have very little to do the politics of parents. Some of the shooters families would certain qualify as conservatives and some are certainly liberal. The main factor in most all of these school shootings is the serious mental disorders of the shooters and inability of parents and society to deal with it.

The lack of fathers......single mothers trying to raise mentally disturbed young males....

Very true. Raising problem children, particularly by yourself with little moral or financial support is move than many parents can stand. So many single parents with problem children just give up when the kids hit the teen years and just pray they make to adulthood without killing themselves or someone else.

I am so thankful that all our kids made it to adulthood, not unscarred but they made it.

 

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Today Trump was talking about the shooter being mentally disturbed.

Wow...................and he's the one that got rid of the Obama regulation that kept people with mental conditions from buying a gun.

Repeating a lie doesn't make it true.

But it makes more believable.

 

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Both mental illness and the use of psychiatric drugs have been blamed for violent behaviors, but the scientific evidence for a connection is limited. Now, a new study suggests that taking not only tranquilizers but also regular prescription pain relievers is linked with an increased risk of committing homicide.

Researchers in Europe found that people who were on certain medications were at greatest risk of killing someone, compared with people who were not using these medicines. The high-risk drugs include benzodiazepines, a class of tranquilizers used to treat anxiety, insomnia and panic disorders, as well as pain relievers, such as opioid medications and anti-inflammatories,


The results also showed that people taking antidepressants had only a slight increase in homicide risk compared with people taking other medications involved in the analysis, even after the researchers took into account factors such as mental illness. The study was published online today (June 1) in the journal World Psychiatry.

Killer Drugs? Homicide Risk Linked to Medications

This is why you need to go back to the psychiatrist for evaluation and adjustment of drugs. One of the big problems today, is patients get a prescription that doesn't work or has bad side effects and they just dump it down the toilet or they keep using it without seeking adjustments. It sometimes take a long time to get the right combination of drugs and mental health counseling.