These Are The Most Violent States In America

[theDoctorisIn]

My point is that the crime rate notwithstanding, Brooklyn is one of the most sought-after places to live in the entire world.

Condos in Brooklyn sell for 8 figures.

I already pointed out over several posts that rich, white democrats always make sure the parts of cities where they live have plenty of police protection........they just fail to spend the money on police for the poor parts of their cities...another democrat policy.

The NYPD is basically an army, there's something like 20,000 cops in NYC.

And a house in the worst neighborhood in Brooklyn is still half a million bucks.

yeah......again...they make sure the police protect the rich democrats...right?

No, the police spend most of their time "stopping and frisking" in the hood.

You rarely ever see a cop in the nice neighborhoods.

That was Guiliani.....deblasio stopped that.....remember......?

DeBlasio stopped it as an official policy, but reality is different than policy.

 

[2aguy]

Bull SHIT. The sociocultural background of cities is what determines their character -- not the political party machine of who runs it

That's quite the deflection. You are trying to shift the blame towards the "sociocultural background" of a city. Sorry, but cities are run by policies and laws, those policies and laws happen to be enforced by Democratic leadership.

No such "shift" is necessary -- it's how culture fucking works. In order for your insipid cum hoc fallacy to find validity you'd have to show how "Republican mayors" pass city ordinances against violent crime and "Democratic mayors" don't. That of course is as ludicrous as the fallacy itself. Murders, assaults and rapes are not governed by city ordinances.

The mere fact that some city has had Democratic mayors for 100 years (at the same time the definition of both parties has radically changed) demonstrates that what we're looking at is a machine, not a philosophy. And your suggestion that the citizenry will always blindly follow whatever the laws are is beyond inane. Neither criminals, nor people in general, are motivated by what the law allows or doesn't allow. They're motivated by self-interest.

This is quite similar to you arguments on gun control. Blame the gun, not the criminal. Hence "blame the citizens, not the party."

Pa-freaking-thetic.

I've never made an argument like that in my life. Your strawman fallacy fails just as the cum hoc did.

so asshole.....there is no difference in how Rudy Guiliani handled crime vs. the mayors before him did? Or deblasio is handling it now? You are pretty fucking stupid....

Rudy hasn't been mayor of NYC for 15 years, and the crime rate has kept dropping.

The crime rate now under DeBlasio is a lot lower than it ever was under Giuliani.

The initial guy who followed him, bloomberg kept his policies....deblasio is the first to stop.....you now see articles out of New York talking about the decline in living standards....the photo of the bum pissing in the middle of the street is now the way of New York.....and gun crime is shooting up.......pun intended.....

 

[2aguy]

I already pointed out over several posts that rich, white democrats always make sure the parts of cities where they live have plenty of police protection........they just fail to spend the money on police for the poor parts of their cities...another democrat policy.

The NYPD is basically an army, there's something like 20,000 cops in NYC.

And a house in the worst neighborhood in Brooklyn is still half a million bucks.

yeah......again...they make sure the police protect the rich democrats...right?

No, the police spend most of their time "stopping and frisking" in the hood.

You rarely ever see a cop in the nice neighborhoods.

That was Guiliani.....deblasio stopped that.....remember......?

DeBlasio stopped it as an official policy, but reality is different than policy.

Yeah....we'll see...the cops know deblasio is not Guiliani.....

 

[2aguy]

Bull SHIT. The sociocultural background of cities is what determines their character -- not the political party machine of who runs it

That's quite the deflection. You are trying to shift the blame towards the "sociocultural background" of a city. Sorry, but cities are run by policies and laws, those policies and laws happen to be enforced by Democratic leadership.

No such "shift" is necessary -- it's how culture fucking works. In order for your insipid cum hoc fallacy to find validity you'd have to show how "Republican mayors" pass city ordinances against violent crime and "Democratic mayors" don't. That of course is as ludicrous as the fallacy itself. Murders, assaults and rapes are not governed by city ordinances.

The mere fact that some city has had Democratic mayors for 100 years (at the same time the definition of both parties has radically changed) demonstrates that what we're looking at is a machine, not a philosophy. And your suggestion that the citizenry will always blindly follow whatever the laws are is beyond inane. Neither criminals, nor people in general, are motivated by what the law allows or doesn't allow. They're motivated by self-interest.

This is quite similar to you arguments on gun control. Blame the gun, not the criminal. Hence "blame the citizens, not the party."

Pa-freaking-thetic.

I've never made an argument like that in my life. Your strawman fallacy fails just as the cum hoc did.

so asshole.....there is no difference in how Rudy Guiliani handled crime vs. the mayors before him did? Or deblasio is handling it now? You are pretty fucking stupid....

Rudy hasn't been mayor of NYC for 15 years, and the crime rate has kept dropping.

The crime rate now under DeBlasio is a lot lower than it ever was under Giuliani.

Bloomberg kept his tactics.....deblasio.....you might want to move, the bad old days of New York are coming back....just look at Chicago (Chiraq), Baltimore, detroit, and D.C....to see your future......

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Bull SHIT. The sociocultural background of cities is what determines their character -- not the political party machine of who runs it

That's quite the deflection. You are trying to shift the blame towards the "sociocultural background" of a city. Sorry, but cities are run by policies and laws, those policies and laws happen to be enforced by Democratic leadership.

No such "shift" is necessary -- it's how culture fucking works. In order for your insipid cum hoc fallacy to find validity you'd have to show how "Republican mayors" pass city ordinances against violent crime and "Democratic mayors" don't. That of course is as ludicrous as the fallacy itself. Murders, assaults and rapes are not governed by city ordinances.

The mere fact that some city has had Democratic mayors for 100 years (at the same time the definition of both parties has radically changed) demonstrates that what we're looking at is a machine, not a philosophy. And your suggestion that the citizenry will always blindly follow whatever the laws are is beyond inane. Neither criminals, nor people in general, are motivated by what the law allows or doesn't allow. They're motivated by self-interest.

This is quite similar to you arguments on gun control. Blame the gun, not the criminal. Hence "blame the citizens, not the party."

Pa-freaking-thetic.

I've never made an argument like that in my life. Your strawman fallacy fails just as the cum hoc did.

so asshole.....there is no difference in how Rudy Guiliani handled crime vs. the mayors before him did? Or deblasio is handling it now? You are pretty fucking stupid....

Rudy hasn't been mayor of NYC for 15 years, and the crime rate has kept dropping.

The crime rate now under DeBlasio is a lot lower than it ever was under Giuliani.

The initial guys who followe him kept his policies....deblasio is the first to stop.....you now see articles out of New York talking about the decline in living standards....the photo of the bum pissing in the middle of the street is now the way of New York.....and gun crime is shooting up.......pun intended.....

The only "decline in living standards" going on in NYC is due to more and more people being priced out by market forces.

Let me guess - you've never been to NYC?

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Bull SHIT. The sociocultural background of cities is what determines their character -- not the political party machine of who runs it

That's quite the deflection. You are trying to shift the blame towards the "sociocultural background" of a city. Sorry, but cities are run by policies and laws, those policies and laws happen to be enforced by Democratic leadership.

No such "shift" is necessary -- it's how culture fucking works. In order for your insipid cum hoc fallacy to find validity you'd have to show how "Republican mayors" pass city ordinances against violent crime and "Democratic mayors" don't. That of course is as ludicrous as the fallacy itself. Murders, assaults and rapes are not governed by city ordinances.

The mere fact that some city has had Democratic mayors for 100 years (at the same time the definition of both parties has radically changed) demonstrates that what we're looking at is a machine, not a philosophy. And your suggestion that the citizenry will always blindly follow whatever the laws are is beyond inane. Neither criminals, nor people in general, are motivated by what the law allows or doesn't allow. They're motivated by self-interest.

This is quite similar to you arguments on gun control. Blame the gun, not the criminal. Hence "blame the citizens, not the party."

Pa-freaking-thetic.

I've never made an argument like that in my life. Your strawman fallacy fails just as the cum hoc did.

so asshole.....there is no difference in how Rudy Guiliani handled crime vs. the mayors before him did? Or deblasio is handling it now? You are pretty fucking stupid....

Rudy hasn't been mayor of NYC for 15 years, and the crime rate has kept dropping.

The crime rate now under DeBlasio is a lot lower than it ever was under Giuliani.

Bloomberg kept his tactics.....deblasio.....you might want to move, the bad old days of New York are coming back....just look at Chicago (Chiraq), Baltimore, detroit, and D.C....to see your future......

And you get your deep, in depth understanding of New York City from where, exactly?

 

[2aguy]

That's quite the deflection. You are trying to shift the blame towards the "sociocultural background" of a city. Sorry, but cities are run by policies and laws, those policies and laws happen to be enforced by Democratic leadership.

No such "shift" is necessary -- it's how culture fucking works. In order for your insipid cum hoc fallacy to find validity you'd have to show how "Republican mayors" pass city ordinances against violent crime and "Democratic mayors" don't. That of course is as ludicrous as the fallacy itself. Murders, assaults and rapes are not governed by city ordinances.

The mere fact that some city has had Democratic mayors for 100 years (at the same time the definition of both parties has radically changed) demonstrates that what we're looking at is a machine, not a philosophy. And your suggestion that the citizenry will always blindly follow whatever the laws are is beyond inane. Neither criminals, nor people in general, are motivated by what the law allows or doesn't allow. They're motivated by self-interest.

This is quite similar to you arguments on gun control. Blame the gun, not the criminal. Hence "blame the citizens, not the party."

Pa-freaking-thetic.

I've never made an argument like that in my life. Your strawman fallacy fails just as the cum hoc did.

so asshole.....there is no difference in how Rudy Guiliani handled crime vs. the mayors before him did? Or deblasio is handling it now? You are pretty fucking stupid....

Rudy hasn't been mayor of NYC for 15 years, and the crime rate has kept dropping.

The crime rate now under DeBlasio is a lot lower than it ever was under Giuliani.

The initial guys who followe him kept his policies....deblasio is the first to stop.....you now see articles out of New York talking about the decline in living standards....the photo of the bum pissing in the middle of the street is now the way of New York.....and gun crime is shooting up.......pun intended.....

The only "decline in living standards" going on in NYC is due to more and more people being priced out by market forces.

Let me guess - you've never been to NYC?

No....I'll just watch you city go down the toilet as deblasio wrecks it.......Chicago is a great example for us here in Illinois.....and we never had a Guiliani to clean things up....

 

[2aguy]

That's quite the deflection. You are trying to shift the blame towards the "sociocultural background" of a city. Sorry, but cities are run by policies and laws, those policies and laws happen to be enforced by Democratic leadership.

No such "shift" is necessary -- it's how culture fucking works. In order for your insipid cum hoc fallacy to find validity you'd have to show how "Republican mayors" pass city ordinances against violent crime and "Democratic mayors" don't. That of course is as ludicrous as the fallacy itself. Murders, assaults and rapes are not governed by city ordinances.

The mere fact that some city has had Democratic mayors for 100 years (at the same time the definition of both parties has radically changed) demonstrates that what we're looking at is a machine, not a philosophy. And your suggestion that the citizenry will always blindly follow whatever the laws are is beyond inane. Neither criminals, nor people in general, are motivated by what the law allows or doesn't allow. They're motivated by self-interest.

This is quite similar to you arguments on gun control. Blame the gun, not the criminal. Hence "blame the citizens, not the party."

Pa-freaking-thetic.

I've never made an argument like that in my life. Your strawman fallacy fails just as the cum hoc did.

so asshole.....there is no difference in how Rudy Guiliani handled crime vs. the mayors before him did? Or deblasio is handling it now? You are pretty fucking stupid....

Rudy hasn't been mayor of NYC for 15 years, and the crime rate has kept dropping.

The crime rate now under DeBlasio is a lot lower than it ever was under Giuliani.

Bloomberg kept his tactics.....deblasio.....you might want to move, the bad old days of New York are coming back....just look at Chicago (Chiraq), Baltimore, detroit, and D.C....to see your future......

And you get your deep, in depth understanding of New York City from where, exactly?

New York news.......

 

[theHawk]

Logic is a lost art...

The vast majority of violent crime is perpetrated by blacks and Latino thugs. Your article dances around it by blaming it on "unskilled young men", and other lame ass economic excuses.

If you are unwilling to address the real problem, you're not going to solve it.

The vast majority of violent crime is perpetrated by the poor/lower classes.
Fixed it for ya.
The lower classes are, of course, established by .... the upper classes.

Gee, you do realize that they all have large Democrat-controlled cities, don't you???

So let's do a better comparison and look at actual cities....

The 11 Most Dangerous U.S. Cities - US News

Gee, do you realize virtually all cities are "Democrat-controlled"?
I'm sure it makes a huuuuuge difference at that level. Why those wacko Republicans would prolly be collecting garbage on Thursdays instead of Wednesdays.

What a couple of morons.
If cum hoc fallacies were water molecules, USMB would be the fucking Pacific Ocean.

"The lower classes are, of course, established by .... the upper classes."

Nah, the lower classes are, of course, established by....their own self-destructive culture.

Horseshit.
Only the upper class has the power to establish classes. That's what fucking makes them the upper class.

Repeating a lie over and over doesn't make it true, nitwit.

 

[2aguy]

That's quite the deflection. You are trying to shift the blame towards the "sociocultural background" of a city. Sorry, but cities are run by policies and laws, those policies and laws happen to be enforced by Democratic leadership.

No such "shift" is necessary -- it's how culture fucking works. In order for your insipid cum hoc fallacy to find validity you'd have to show how "Republican mayors" pass city ordinances against violent crime and "Democratic mayors" don't. That of course is as ludicrous as the fallacy itself. Murders, assaults and rapes are not governed by city ordinances.

The mere fact that some city has had Democratic mayors for 100 years (at the same time the definition of both parties has radically changed) demonstrates that what we're looking at is a machine, not a philosophy. And your suggestion that the citizenry will always blindly follow whatever the laws are is beyond inane. Neither criminals, nor people in general, are motivated by what the law allows or doesn't allow. They're motivated by self-interest.

This is quite similar to you arguments on gun control. Blame the gun, not the criminal. Hence "blame the citizens, not the party."

Pa-freaking-thetic.

I've never made an argument like that in my life. Your strawman fallacy fails just as the cum hoc did.

so asshole.....there is no difference in how Rudy Guiliani handled crime vs. the mayors before him did? Or deblasio is handling it now? You are pretty fucking stupid....

Rudy hasn't been mayor of NYC for 15 years, and the crime rate has kept dropping.

The crime rate now under DeBlasio is a lot lower than it ever was under Giuliani.

Bloomberg kept his tactics.....deblasio.....you might want to move, the bad old days of New York are coming back....just look at Chicago (Chiraq), Baltimore, detroit, and D.C....to see your future......

And you get your deep, in depth understanding of New York City from where, exactly?

Yeah.....hardly right wing sources....


Public Outcry Directed At Bill De Blasio As NYC Murder Rate Shoots Up CBS New York


With murders up double digits and his crime-fighting reputation on the line, Mayor Bill de Blasio has vowed to “get a lot of guns away from the bad guys.”

But some community activists say the answer may be a return to some type of stop, question and frisk, CBS2’s Marcia Kramer reported.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

No such "shift" is necessary -- it's how culture fucking works. In order for your insipid cum hoc fallacy to find validity you'd have to show how "Republican mayors" pass city ordinances against violent crime and "Democratic mayors" don't. That of course is as ludicrous as the fallacy itself. Murders, assaults and rapes are not governed by city ordinances.

The mere fact that some city has had Democratic mayors for 100 years (at the same time the definition of both parties has radically changed) demonstrates that what we're looking at is a machine, not a philosophy. And your suggestion that the citizenry will always blindly follow whatever the laws are is beyond inane. Neither criminals, nor people in general, are motivated by what the law allows or doesn't allow. They're motivated by self-interest.

I've never made an argument like that in my life. Your strawman fallacy fails just as the cum hoc did.

so asshole.....there is no difference in how Rudy Guiliani handled crime vs. the mayors before him did? Or deblasio is handling it now? You are pretty fucking stupid....

Rudy hasn't been mayor of NYC for 15 years, and the crime rate has kept dropping.

The crime rate now under DeBlasio is a lot lower than it ever was under Giuliani.

The initial guys who followe him kept his policies....deblasio is the first to stop.....you now see articles out of New York talking about the decline in living standards....the photo of the bum pissing in the middle of the street is now the way of New York.....and gun crime is shooting up.......pun intended.....

The only "decline in living standards" going on in NYC is due to more and more people being priced out by market forces.

Let me guess - you've never been to NYC?

No....I'll just watch you city go down the toilet as deblasio wrecks it.......Chicago is a great example for us here in Illinois.....and we never had a Guiliani to clean things up....

Whatever you say.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

Notice the disparity between most violent and least violent coincides with family structure.

 

[2aguy]

so asshole.....there is no difference in how Rudy Guiliani handled crime vs. the mayors before him did? Or deblasio is handling it now? You are pretty fucking stupid....

Rudy hasn't been mayor of NYC for 15 years, and the crime rate has kept dropping.

The crime rate now under DeBlasio is a lot lower than it ever was under Giuliani.

The initial guys who followe him kept his policies....deblasio is the first to stop.....you now see articles out of New York talking about the decline in living standards....the photo of the bum pissing in the middle of the street is now the way of New York.....and gun crime is shooting up.......pun intended.....

The only "decline in living standards" going on in NYC is due to more and more people being priced out by market forces.

Let me guess - you've never been to NYC?

No....I'll just watch you city go down the toilet as deblasio wrecks it.......Chicago is a great example for us here in Illinois.....and we never had a Guiliani to clean things up....

Whatever you say.

I don't say anything....your own journalists are saying it..............

 

[2aguy]

Notice the disparity between most violent and least violent coincides with family structure.

That is the biggest factor....a two parent family, where both parents graduated from high school and waited to have children till they were stable......

Generations of single, teen mothers raising generations of children, who raise children without any adult, civilized role models...is the biggest factor in crime rates....especially when you undermine the police....

 

[theDoctorisIn]

No such "shift" is necessary -- it's how culture fucking works. In order for your insipid cum hoc fallacy to find validity you'd have to show how "Republican mayors" pass city ordinances against violent crime and "Democratic mayors" don't. That of course is as ludicrous as the fallacy itself. Murders, assaults and rapes are not governed by city ordinances.

The mere fact that some city has had Democratic mayors for 100 years (at the same time the definition of both parties has radically changed) demonstrates that what we're looking at is a machine, not a philosophy. And your suggestion that the citizenry will always blindly follow whatever the laws are is beyond inane. Neither criminals, nor people in general, are motivated by what the law allows or doesn't allow. They're motivated by self-interest.

I've never made an argument like that in my life. Your strawman fallacy fails just as the cum hoc did.

so asshole.....there is no difference in how Rudy Guiliani handled crime vs. the mayors before him did? Or deblasio is handling it now? You are pretty fucking stupid....

Rudy hasn't been mayor of NYC for 15 years, and the crime rate has kept dropping.

The crime rate now under DeBlasio is a lot lower than it ever was under Giuliani.

Bloomberg kept his tactics.....deblasio.....you might want to move, the bad old days of New York are coming back....just look at Chicago (Chiraq), Baltimore, detroit, and D.C....to see your future......

And you get your deep, in depth understanding of New York City from where, exactly?

Yeah.....hardly right wing sources....


Public Outcry Directed At Bill De Blasio As NYC Murder Rate Shoots Up CBS New York


With murders up double digits and his crime-fighting reputation on the line, Mayor Bill de Blasio has vowed to “get a lot of guns away from the bad guys.”

But some community activists say the answer may be a return to some type of stop, question and frisk, CBS2’s Marcia Kramer reported.

There were 11 more murders this year than there were last year.

In a city that has 10 million people come through it each day, I'm not worried.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Rudy hasn't been mayor of NYC for 15 years, and the crime rate has kept dropping.

The crime rate now under DeBlasio is a lot lower than it ever was under Giuliani.

The initial guys who followe him kept his policies....deblasio is the first to stop.....you now see articles out of New York talking about the decline in living standards....the photo of the bum pissing in the middle of the street is now the way of New York.....and gun crime is shooting up.......pun intended.....

The only "decline in living standards" going on in NYC is due to more and more people being priced out by market forces.

Let me guess - you've never been to NYC?

No....I'll just watch you city go down the toilet as deblasio wrecks it.......Chicago is a great example for us here in Illinois.....and we never had a Guiliani to clean things up....

Whatever you say.

I don't say anything....your own journalists are saying it..............

Of course. Outrage and scandal sell papers.

Try talking to someone who actually lives there.

 

[2aguy]

The initial guys who followe him kept his policies....deblasio is the first to stop.....you now see articles out of New York talking about the decline in living standards....the photo of the bum pissing in the middle of the street is now the way of New York.....and gun crime is shooting up.......pun intended.....

The only "decline in living standards" going on in NYC is due to more and more people being priced out by market forces.

Let me guess - you've never been to NYC?

No....I'll just watch you city go down the toilet as deblasio wrecks it.......Chicago is a great example for us here in Illinois.....and we never had a Guiliani to clean things up....

Whatever you say.

I don't say anything....your own journalists are saying it..............

Of course. Outrage and scandal sell papers.

Try talking to someone who actually lives there.

You mean like these journalists.....who are by their very DNA willing to support the left wing policies of deblasio....?

20 years of cleaning up NYC pissed away New York Post

 

[theHawk]

Notice how right wingers want to explain all the violence in their states on blacks and Hispanics. Even when they are in charge, their failure is always someone else s fault.

I just found it interesting....and yes, conservatives are nortorious of pointing the blame on minorities.....you do know, to this day, they blame slavery on us?

I think it's funny that they say that the crime is in the big cities of those states and all in the cities are democrats.

Yet those states are red and have been red for a long time. If most of the people of those states are in the cities and most in the cities are democratic then how did those states elect republican majorities for so many years?

Then look at the list of states that are the least violent. Most are Blue. Those states also have large cities with mostly democratic people. The conservatives say that it's democrats who are violent. Yet those Blue states are the least violent.

The republicans twist themselves in knots to point their own blame at everyone else. They NEVER take ANY responsibility for what they do or say.

The bottom line, all those red states with very relaxed gun laws, low taxes so they don't have the proper police force or community services or proper education opportunities for all, are the ones that are the most violent.

Hey retard, even "red states" have plenty of "Obama voter" zones, which are crime infested hell holes. Red and blue states both have urban areas with a high population of blacks, along with the corresponding crime rates. Maybe it proves regardless what policies and laws are on the books, certain people, namely Obama voter types, are more prone to crime and violence.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

The only "decline in living standards" going on in NYC is due to more and more people being priced out by market forces.

Let me guess - you've never been to NYC?

No....I'll just watch you city go down the toilet as deblasio wrecks it.......Chicago is a great example for us here in Illinois.....and we never had a Guiliani to clean things up....

Whatever you say.

I don't say anything....your own journalists are saying it..............

Of course. Outrage and scandal sell papers.

Try talking to someone who actually lives there.

You mean like these journalists.....who are by their very DNA willing to support the left wing policies of deblasio....?

20 years of cleaning up NYC pissed away New York Post

Wait, are you really trying to claim that that the NYPost is trying to protect DeBlasio?

You really don't know anything about New York.

 

[AvgGuyIA]

...snip...
To say a black mayor of today of a major city it's his fault and blame it on the race of a person and not the democrat party of the past is so wrong.
You see what I am saying?
Its just being a bigot.

Being black is a symptom; being progressive Democrat is the disease.