They are Americans

[Leo123]

I don’t see that as much different than those who want a White ethnostate.

Coupling skin color to ethnicity is racist.

 

[Coyote]

Coupling skin color to ethnicity is racist.

No. Racist and racial are not the same thing.

 

[Leo123]

No. Racist and racial are not the same thing.

In this case they are. You claimed whites want an 'ethnostate' that's a racist statement.

 

[Coyote]

In this case they are. You claimed whites want an 'ethnostate' that's a racist statement.

That would be racist, if that is what I claimed. What I referenced was “White Nationalists”.

Are you claiming all Whites are White Nationalists/White Supremacists? If so…that might be racist.

 

[Leo123]

That would be racist, if that is what I claimed. What I referenced was “White Nationalists”.

Are you claiming all Whites are White Nationalists/White Supremacists? If so…that might be racist.

You said this: I don’t see that as much different than those who want a White ethnostate. A 'white ethnostate' has nothing to do with nationalist Americans.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

The thread is about nationalism not white supremacy, only a racist would make that link.

When White Mixes With Bluebloods It Fades Away

 

[Coyote]

You said this: I don’t see that as much different than those who want a White ethnostate. A 'white ethnostate' has nothing to do with nationalist Americans.

Did you try following the conversation?

 

[Leo123]

Did you try following the conversation?

Yes and did you actually READ the OP instead of following the attempt to derail the thread?

 

[Leo123]

When White Mixes With Bluebloods It Fades Away

White and black make brown. Democrats have a problem with brown nationalists.

 

[Wapasha]

Yes they are Tommy. Tuberville gets it right, nationalists are Americans. They are patriots. Nothing wrong with being a patriot.

---...a white nationalist is an American': GOP Sen. Tuberville---

'My opinion of a white nationalist is an American': GOP Sen. Tuberville doubles down on comments

Republican Sen. Tommy Tuberville of Alabama clashed with CNN's Kaitlan Collins over the definition of a white nationalist.

www.usatoday.com

When you say "I'm a white nationalist" you may be trying to identify yourself as being a white person who is also nationalist. The problem is that the more common understanding of that turn of phrase, is that you are a white supremacist who wants the US to be a whites only nation.

However, if you say you are simply a nationalist, it means you put the welfare of your nation and it's citizens, above your concerns for the welfare of other nations. And what is wrong with that.

 

[Coyote]

Yes and did you actually READ the OP instead of following the attempt to derail the thread?

Yes, I did. It refers to Tuberville’s statement, tries and fail’s to make a case that leftists (henceforth referred to as “Marxists”) perverted “nationalism” by adding race.

The problem is Tuberville was not talking about nationalists who happen to be white, but White Nationalists, a specific type of nationalism that is racist and not wanted in the military.

It sounds like you and the OP are trying to blur this distinction while simultaneously blaming it on the left.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

In this case they are. You claimed whites want an 'ethnostate' that's a racist statement.

To the Bipartisan Rulers, Right and Wrong Only Mean Which Side of the Tracks You Were Born On

So what if it is? Racism is realism. It is a snobbish slur; that's the only reason why both controlled sides distance themselves from accepting it as a rational analysis of a race's typical behavior.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

When you say, "I'm a white nationalist," you may be trying to identify yourself as being a white person who is also nationalist. The problem is that the more common understanding of that turn of phrase, is that you are a white supremacist who wants the US to be a whites-only nation.

However, if you say you are simply a nationalist, it means you put the welfare of your nation and its citizens, above your concerns for the welfare of other nations. And what is wrong with that.

The Blue-State Ruling Class Must Go Before We Can Go Free

There can't be White Supremacy in an all-White nation. Deport all the feral races to the Blue-State Union. "Supremacy" implies one group dominating over another, which can't happen if there is only one group.

If truth could be told, both sections of the country are living under Birth-Class Supremacy. That must be eliminated, too, before we can have a White nation.

 

[Leo123]

To the Bipartisan Rulers, Right and Wrong Only Mean Which Side of the Tracks You Were Born On

So what if it is? Racism is realism. It is a snobbish slur; that's the only reason why both controlled sides distance themselves from accepting it as a rational analysis of a race's typical behavior.

If you define racism as preferring one race over another you, yourself are racist. Lefties always redefine what words mean. For example, prejudice is a normal human trait, it's what keeps us alive. We are prejudiced against things that will harm us and we discriminate all the time. Lefty Marxists have deemed those words to mean 'white racism.'

 

[Leo123]

Yes, I did. It refers to Tuberville’s statement, tries and fail’s to make a case that leftists (henceforth referred to as “Marxists”) perverted “nationalism” by adding race.

The problem is Tuberville was not talking about nationalists who happen to be white, but White Nationalists, a specific type of nationalism that is racist and not wanted in the military.

It sounds like you and the OP are trying to blur this distinction while simultaneously blaming it on the left.

Actually Tuberville was making the point that there are nationalists who are white. The USA Today article is biased from the beginning when it says "In an effort to explain." Why should he have to explain anything to CNN? Tuberville actually made the point that the term 'white nationalist' was a term Democrats assigned to white supremacy. You are doing the same thing therefore, you are making racist comments. No one is trying to 'blur' anything, we are actually trying to un-blur Democrat/Marxist word meaning changes.

 

[citygator]

There are so few of these organizations that they are not impactful on the body politic in the least. On the other hand, BLM is an anti-American Marxist party that approves the use of violence and has the implicit support (sometimes outright support) of the federal gubmint.

Every year they make up all or almost all of the extremist murders:

All the extremist-related murders in 2022 were committed by right-wing extremists of various kinds, who typically commit most such killings each year but only occasionally are responsible for all (the last time this occurred was 2012). Left-wing extremists engage in violence ranging from assaults to fire-bombings and arsons, but since the late 1980s have not often targeted people with deadly violence.

You are being redirected...

 

[Coyote]

Actually Tuberville was making the point that there are nationalists who are white. The USA Today article is biased from the beginning when it says "In an effort to explain." Why should he have to explain anything to CNN? Tuberville actually made the point that the term 'white nationalist' was a term Democrats assigned to white supremacy. You are doing the same thing therefore, you are making racist comments. No one is trying to 'blur' anything, we are actually trying to un-blur Democrat/Marxist word meaning changes.

Except that is a lie.

White nationalism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

According to Merriam-Webster, the first documented use of the term "white nationalist" was 1951, to refer to a member of a militant group which espouses white supremacy and racial segregation.[16] Merriam-Webster also notes usage of the two-word phrase as early as 1925.[17] According to Dictionary.com, the term was first used in the title of a 1948 essay by South African writer and ecologist Thomas Chalmers Robertson titled Racism Comes to Power in South Africa: The Threat of White Nationalism.[18]

According to Daryl Johnson, a former counterterrorism expert at the Department of Homeland Security, the term was used to appear more credible while also avoiding negative stereotypes about white supremacists.[11] Modern members of racist organizations such as the Ku Klux Klan generally favor the term and avoid self-describing as white supremacist.[19]

 

[Superbadbrutha]

I don’t see that as much different than those who want a White ethnostate.

It's a big difference, black folks don't claim to be superior to white folks. White nationalist think they are superior to everyone else.

 

[Leo123]

Except that is a lie.

White nationalism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

According to Merriam-Webster, the first documented use of the term "white nationalist" was 1951, to refer to a member of a militant group which espouses white supremacy and racial segregation.[16] Merriam-Webster also notes usage of the two-word phrase as early as 1925.[17] According to Dictionary.com, the term was first used in the title of a 1948 essay by South African writer and ecologist Thomas Chalmers Robertson titled Racism Comes to Power in South Africa: The Threat of White Nationalism.[18]

According to Daryl Johnson, a former counterterrorism expert at the Department of Homeland Security, the term was used to appear more credible while also avoiding negative stereotypes about white supremacists.[11] Modern members of racist organizations such as the Ku Klux Klan generally favor the term and avoid self-describing as white supremacist.[19]

Except that is a lie.

White nationalism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

According to Merriam-Webster, the first documented use of the term "white nationalist" was 1951, to refer to a member of a militant group which espouses white supremacy and racial segregation.[16] Merriam-Webster also notes usage of the two-word phrase as early as 1925.[17] According to Dictionary.com, the term was first used in the title of a 1948 essay by South African writer and ecologist Thomas Chalmers Robertson titled Racism Comes to Power in South Africa: The Threat of White Nationalism.[18]

According to Daryl Johnson, a former counterterrorism expert at the Department of Homeland Security, the term was used to appear more credible while also avoiding negative stereotypes about white supremacists.[11] Modern members of racist organizations such as the Ku Klux Klan generally favor the term and avoid self-describing as white supremacist.[19]

So, you prefer to use KKK definitions?

 

[Coyote]

So, you prefer to use KKK definitions?

It has nothing to do with what I “prefer” but what is accurate.