They are busting Trump rght now in court

[Man With A Plan]

What Trump did was never done before. The closest was 1876. But that was unlike Trump. In 1876, 4 states couldn't determine a winner so Republicans and Democrats each sent a slate of electors for Congress to figure out. That's not what happened in 2020. In 2020, Biden was determined to win those swing states. Unlike 1876, those swing states certified Biden's electors and the states sent Democratic electors to Congress. At the same time, Republicans signed fake certificates, NOT certified by those states and sent them to Congress, hoping Pence would either pick Trump's fake electors over Biden's certified electors; or that Pence wouldn't count either, allowing Congress to pick Trump as president.

The next closest was in 1960. But that too was unlike 2020. In 1960, Hawaii determined Nixon won their state. The state certified Nixon's electors and sent them to Congress. A few weeks later, a recount determined JFK actually won Hawaii so their governor certified the Democratic slate to Congress to be counted instead of Nixon's. Plus it was just one state not affecting the election.

Now compare that to 2020 where Trump tried sending fake electors from 7 states. Not one state where Trump was determined to have won and with the intent to flip the election so that he could get 4 more years in office.

Savvy?

1876, 4 undecided states.

1960, a state the courts flipped from R to D and certified by the state.

2020. Zero undecided states. 7 states certified Biden won. Unqualified Trump electors in those states signed and sent uncertified certificates to Congress as though Trump won. i.e., fake. Never done before.

So we've gone from it NEVER HAPPENED!!! to it happened a few times?

 

[Rigby5]

They are busting trump rght now in court. Trump org employees are testifying about the signed checks.

Live Updates: Former Employee Says Trump Used Personal Account to Repay Hush Money

A longtime Trump Organization employee testified in Donald J. Trump’s criminal trial that Mr. Trump had used his personal bank account to reimburse his longtime fixer for the money that bought a porn star’s silence.

Live Updates: Former Employee Says Trump Used Personal Account to Repay Hush Money

A longtime Trump Organization employee testified in Donald J. Trump’s criminal trial that Mr. Trump had used his personal bank account to reimburse his longtime fixer for the money that bought a porn star’s silence.

www.nytimes.com

They are showing the copies of the signed checks in court right now.

So?
Paying hush money is perfectly legal.
It is asking for hush money that is illegal.

 

[Faun]

If we had truly secure elections then we wouldn't have the need for alternate electors because we'd trust the vote totals. It's obvious we don't and that goes for both Democrats (Gore v Bush) and Republicans (Trump v Biden)! So my question AGAIN is why don't you want to make our elections more secure?

Most do trust the vote totals. Most who don't are among those who fell for Trump's Big Lie; which was all pre-planned in case Trump lost. Sadly, you're incapable of comprehending you've been duped.

 

[Man With A Plan]

Most do trust the vote totals. Most who don't are among those who fell for Trump's Big Lie.

So it was Trump's Big Lie that had them counting votes for weeks in the Gore v Bush election?

 

[Man With A Plan]

Once again, Faun...why are you on the left so resistant to common sense measures to insure elections that people can trust?

 

[Faun]

So we've gone from it NEVER HAPPENED!!! to it happened a few times?

Looks like you're illiterate. I never said it happened a few times. In fact, I said it's never happened before.

I also said there was one time where 2 slates were submitted by 4 states unable to determine a winner and pointed out the stark difference with 2020 where ALL 7 states with fake Trump electors determined Biden won. In all 7 states, the states certified the Biden electors. In none of those 7 states did the state certify Trump electors. Hence, the difference. Hence, 1876 was not like 2020.

I also pointed out how Hawaii certified the Democratic electors in lieu of the previously certified Republican electors after a recount showed JFK won the state. Yet another example of a state certifying the winner of their state; again, unlike Trump's fake electors who were never certified. They merely illegally claimed to be the "duly elected and qualified" electors even though Trump was the loser in every one of those states. Hence, 160 was also not like 2020.

No president in the history of this nation has ever attempted a stunt like Trump did. He should rot in prison for that.

 

[Faun]

So?
Paying hush money is perfectly legal.
It is asking for hush money that is illegal.

Prove she asked for it....

 

[Faun]

So it was Trump's Big Lie that had them counting votes for weeks in the Gore v Bush election?

LOL

Non-sequitur observed and laughed at.

 

[Faun]

Once again, Faun...why are you on the left so resistant to common sense measures to insure elections that people can trust?

Because they're not needed. Actual voter fraud is infinitesimal.

 

[ThisIsMe]

They had a hearing about it… 12 times I believe he made comments about witnesses or jury members. Many high profile cases involve gag orders.

ok, give me some examples of him attacking them? I looked for stories of it and all I was able to find was him talking about how it was all rigged because the jury are all democrats.


So, what is he saying that is an attack?

 

[ThisIsMe]

No, I don't see what you mean. The underlying crime doesn't need to first be adjudicated.

Bragg says Trump was trying to cover up a crime..right? What crime? Campaign finance violations? That is the crime they say he “intended” to cover up…but as of right now, it’s just Bragg saying it’s a crime. Until they go to court to put Trump on trial for that crime..he didn’t commit it, and he didn’t intend on covering it up.

Trump denied the allegation..I think they said he made the payment to try to not embarrass his family.

So Bragg says there is a crime, Trump says there wasn’t. Until the LAW determines that a crime has taken place…how does Braggs case have any merit?

 

[Faun]

Bragg says Trump was trying to cover up a crime..right? What crime? Campaign finance violations? That is the crime they say he “intended” to cover up…but as of right now, it’s just Bragg saying it’s a crime. Until they go to court to put Trump on trial for that crime..he didn’t commit it, and he didn’t intend on covering it up.

Trump denied the allegation..I think they said he made the payment to try to not embarrass his family.

So Bragg says there is a crime, Trump says there wasn’t. Until the LAW determines that a crime has taken place…how does Braggs case have any merit?

Is there a crime if someone intends to commit one but doesn't?

No.

That is one of three potential elements of § 175.10...

intent to commit another crime or to aid or conceal the commission thereof.​

... so no, a crime not even needs to be committed. Just the intent to commit one or to aid or conceal one.

As far as Bragg saying there was a crime, the was. Illegal campaign. Cohen was convicted of that and sent to jail for that, among other crimes. That has been adjudicated.

And instead of reporting that $130K payment to Stormy, Trump concealed that illegal payment by reporting it as "legal services."

 

[Marener]

If we had truly secure elections then we wouldn't have the need for alternate electors because we'd trust the vote totals. It's obvious we don't and that goes for both Democrats (Gore v Bush) and Republicans (Trump v Biden)! So my question AGAIN is why don't you want to make our elections more secure?

And what do we need fake electors for now?

These individuals attempted to vote illegally in the electoral college. Surely someone interested in secure elections would want an illegal voter prosecuted for their fraud?

You are so worked up about some random individual voting illegally but you should be just as worried about some corrupt politician deciding to take away your legal vote because they didn't like who you voted for. That is precisely what Trump and his fake electors attempted.

 

[Slade3200]

ok, give me some examples of him attacking them? I looked for stories of it and all I was able to find was him talking about how it was all rigged because the jury are all democrats.


So, what is he saying that is an attack?

Well you just said it. He ignorantly called the jury democrats and corrupt. That shit leads to death threats and harassment from his idiot followers.

 

[Man With A Plan]

And what do we need fake electors for now?

These individuals attempted to vote illegally in the electoral college. Surely someone interested in secure elections would want an illegal voter prosecuted for their fraud?

You are so worked up about some random individual voting illegally but you should be just as worried about some corrupt politician deciding to take away your legal vote because they didn't like who you voted for. That is precisely what Trump and his fake electors attempted.

You don't seem to grasp the concept here, Marener! The reason behind the alternate electors...the reason behind the Gore challenge in Florida...the reason behind the Trump challenge in Georgia...the reason behind Jan. 6th...is that the elections aren't viewed as secure. People don't trust the outcome...and that's on both sides of the political spectrum. So why don't we go back to paper ballots? Why don't we have people vote in person with valid ID? It's a simple solution to a problem that is causing riots in the streets. So why don't we fix the problem?

 

[Man With A Plan]

Well you just said it. He ignorantly called the jury democrats and corrupt. That shit leads to death threats and harassment from his idiot followers.

Did 85% of the people from that district vote for Joe Biden in 2020? It's obvious that you're not going to get a fair verdict in a case where you've got that kind of a jury pool especially when you've got a judge like this one. That's all Trump is saying. Conflicted judge...biased jury pool.

 

[Faun]

You don't seem to grasp the concept here, Marener! The reason behind the alternate electors...the reason behind the Gore challenge in Florida...the reason behind the Trump challenge in Georgia...the reason behind Jan. 6th...is that the elections aren't viewed as secure. People don't trust the outcome...and that's on both sides of the political spectrum. So why don't we go back to paper ballots? Why don't we have people vote in person with valid ID? It's a simple solution to a problem that is causing riots in the streets. So why don't we fix the problem?

We had paper ballots and in person voting in 2000. It still ended in a mess. Your "solutions" are not solutions at all. They're whines over a problem that is infinitesimally small.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Can Trumps defense call Storm’s former lawyer and democrat short list VP candidate Mike Avenetti?

 

[Man With A Plan]

We had paper ballots and in person voting in 2000. It still ended in a mess. Your "solutions" are not solutions at all. They're whines over a problem that is infinitesimally small.

We didn't have in person voting with valid ID in 2000. We didn't have that because Democrats refuse to make that the standard. Why?

 

[Slade3200]

Did 85% of the people from that district vote for Joe Biden in 2020?

That doesn’t mean the individuals in the jury are democrats. Couldn’t be more of an ignorant statement