This country ranks No. 1 for life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness (its not America)

[frigidweirdo]

This argument gets used by right wingers all the time. It's fucking infantile.

It's basic common sense... If you don't like where you'r lick g you have three useful optiond:

1. Sit down. Shut up. Deal with it.
2. Take up arms to change the situation.
3. Leave.

Leftists aren't capable of 1 or 2 so offer them option 3.

Or how about trying to change the situation in a sensible manner? It never, ever occurred to you that people can actually use their fucking brains to make things better? Not the American way? The American way is to do things in the most fucked up stupid way possible?

 

[Freewill]

This argument gets used by right wingers all the time. It's fucking infantile.

It's basic common sense... If you don't like where you'r lick g you have three useful optiond:

1. Sit down. Shut up. Deal with it.
2. Take up arms to change the situation.
3. Leave.

Leftists aren't capable of 1 or 2 so offer them option 3.

They won't leave, and people still flock to our shore, because they know there isn't any where better that will put up with their shyt.

 

[Freewill]

This argument gets used by right wingers all the time. It's fucking infantile.

It's basic common sense... If you don't like where you'r lick g you have three useful optiond:

1. Sit down. Shut up. Deal with it.
2. Take up arms to change the situation.
3. Leave.

Leftists aren't capable of 1 or 2 so offer them option 3.

Or how about trying to change the situation in a sensible manner? It never, ever occurred to you that people can actually use their fucking brains to make things better? Not the American way? The American way is to do things in the most fucked up stupid way possible?

OK, why don't you suggest a way?

What does white America have to do and how much of a change will it be to make things better?

 

[Dragonlady]

This argument gets used by right wingers all the time. It's fucking infantile.

It's basic common sense... If you don't like where you'r lick g you have three useful optiond:

1. Sit down. Shut up. Deal with it.
2. Take up arms to change the situation.
3. Leave.

Leftists aren't capable of 1 or 2 so offer them option 3.

Your ideas of how to deal with situations you don’t like are very limited. The only solution you have for change is to take up arms. A foolish and short sighted notion at best.

How about working for change? Takes longer, requires initiative, planning and organization, but most of the world finds it far more effective than violence.

 

[Anathema]

Or how about trying to change the situation in a sensible manner? It never, ever occurred to you that people can actually use their fucking brains to make things better? Not the American way? The American way is to do things in the most fucked up stupid way possible?

The American Way died with Abraham Lincoln when he decided thzt the Federal Government was more important thsn the document and ideals that created it.

 

[PredFan]

This country ranks No. 1 for life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness (its not America)
This country ranks No. 1 for ‘life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness’ (it’s not America)

Norway ranked the No. 1 place for happiness and personal freedom, according to an analysis of three separate studies on life expectancy by the World Bank, on civil liberties from Freedom House, a New York-based nonprofit that conducts research on advocacy and democracy, on happiness from the Sustainable Development Solutions Network (SDSN), a group linked to the United Nations, and on rule of law from the World Justice Project, a Washington, D.C.-based nonprofit.

...

The U.S. has seen its happiness slide happiness over the last decade. In 2007, it ranked No. 3 among the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development countries. Last year, it was 19th, down from 13th the year before. “The predominant political discourse in the United States is aimed at raising economic growth, with the goal of restoring the American Dream and the happiness that is supposed to accompany it. But the data show conclusively that this is the wrong approach,” the report concluded.

For those interviewed in the report, perception is reality. At least, as far as their happiness is concerned and, experts say, the divisive political climate likely hasn’t helped. “The United States can and should raise happiness by addressing America’s multi-faceted social crisis — rising inequality, corruption, isolation, and distrust — rather than focusing exclusively or even mainly on economic growth, especially since the concrete proposals along these lines would exacerbate rather than ameliorate the deepening social crisis,” the report said.

...

The U.S showed less social support, less sense of personal freedom, lower donations, and more perceived corruption of government and business, it said. “America’s crisis is, in short, a social crisis, not an economic crisis… Almost all of the policy discourse in Washington, D.C. centers on naïve attempts to raise the economic growth rate, as if a higher growth rate would somehow heal the deepening divisions and angst in American society. This kind of growth-only agenda is doubly wrong-headed.”

Social democracies lead the world!!! High political freedom, strong safetynet, educated population and high GDP per capita!

WTF does America have??? Low political freedom, weak safetynet that a certain party wants to do away with all together and to hell with the suffering poor, one of the lowest in education but the religious like it that way and a dropping GDP per capita.

America is becoming a second world country.

Go there.

 

[PredFan]

This argument gets used by right wingers all the time. It's fucking infantile.

It's basic common sense... If you don't like where you'r lick g you have three useful optiond:

1. Sit down. Shut up. Deal with it.
2. Take up arms to change the situation.
3. Leave.

Leftists aren't capable of 1 or 2 so offer them option 3.

Your ideas of how to deal with situations you don’t like are very limited. The only solution you have for change is to take up arms. A foolish and short sighted notion at best.

How about working for change? Takes longer, requires initiative, planning and organization, but most of the world finds it far more effective than violence.

We did work for change, we elected President Trump.

 

[Freewill]

This argument gets used by right wingers all the time. It's fucking infantile.

It's basic common sense... If you don't like where you'r lick g you have three useful optiond:

1. Sit down. Shut up. Deal with it.
2. Take up arms to change the situation.
3. Leave.

Leftists aren't capable of 1 or 2 so offer them option 3.

Your ideas of how to deal with situations you don’t like are very limited. The only solution you have for change is to take up arms. A foolish and short sighted notion at best.

How about working for change? Takes longer, requires initiative, planning and organization, but most of the world finds it far more effective than violence.

Change, exactly what?

 

[Anathema]

Your ideas of how to deal with situations you don’t like are very limited. The only solution you have for change is to take up arms. A foolish and short sighted notion at best.

How about working for change? Takes longer, requires initiative, planning and organization, but most of the world finds it far more effective than violence.

That works for the rest of the world because none of you actually believe in anything strongly enough to stand up for it and say "This I cannot compromise on." You suggest thst core ideals and principles can just be given up, thrown away or changed in order to bring people together. That doesnt work for a large percentage of Americans, and likely never will.

 

[Dragonlady]

This argument gets used by right wingers all the time. It's fucking infantile.

It's basic common sense... If you don't like where you'r lick g you have three useful optiond:

1. Sit down. Shut up. Deal with it.
2. Take up arms to change the situation.
3. Leave.

Leftists aren't capable of 1 or 2 so offer them option 3.

Or how about trying to change the situation in a sensible manner? It never, ever occurred to you that people can actually use their fucking brains to make things better? Not the American way? The American way is to do things in the most fucked up stupid way possible?

OK, why don't you suggest a way?

What does white America have to do and how much of a change will it be to make things better?

There is no black America, no brown America and no white American. There is only America. Until you embrace the idea that you are one nation and that everyone has a stake in its success, you will continue to be divided and in decline.

A house divided against itself, cannot stand. Americans are deeply divided and Trump magnifies and amplifies those divides as no President before him. You’ll be lucky to have a country by the time he’s done.

 

[Anathema]

They won't leave, and people still flock to our shore, because they know there isn't any where better that will put up with their shyt.

That's why we need to stop putting up with their shit and stsrt forcing people to either leave or get onboard with the Culture, Society, and Ideals this nation was founded on.

 

[Dragonlady]

This argument gets used by right wingers all the time. It's fucking infantile.

It's basic common sense... If you don't like where you'r lick g you have three useful optiond:

1. Sit down. Shut up. Deal with it.
2. Take up arms to change the situation.
3. Leave.

Leftists aren't capable of 1 or 2 so offer them option 3.

Your ideas of how to deal with situations you don’t like are very limited. The only solution you have for change is to take up arms. A foolish and short sighted notion at best.

How about working for change? Takes longer, requires initiative, planning and organization, but most of the world finds it far more effective than violence.

Change, exactly what?

Whatever you want to change.

 

[Correll]

This argument gets used by right wingers all the time. It's fucking infantile.

It's basic common sense... If you don't like where you'r lick g you have three useful optiond:

1. Sit down. Shut up. Deal with it.
2. Take up arms to change the situation.
3. Leave.

Leftists aren't capable of 1 or 2 so offer them option 3.

Or how about trying to change the situation in a sensible manner? It never, ever occurred to you that people can actually use their fucking brains to make things better? Not the American way? The American way is to do things in the most fucked up stupid way possible?

OK, why don't you suggest a way?

What does white America have to do and how much of a change will it be to make things better?

There is no black America, no brown America and no white American. There is only America. Until you embrace the idea that you are one nation and that everyone has a stake in its success, you will continue to be divided and in decline.

A house divided against itself, cannot stand. Americans are deeply divided and Trump magnifies and amplifies those divides as no President before him. You’ll be lucky to have a country by the time he’s done.

The act of your lefties blaming White Americans for everything, and enacting policy that attacks their interests and then acting as though it is racism for them to complain about any of that,


that is what has divided America.


Trump has nothing to do with that. HIs issues were pro-American issues, ie trade and immigration.


His challenge of Political COrrectness leads some of you lefties to assume that he is about that, but there is nothing to support your claims.

 

[Anathema]

A house divided against itself, cannot stand. Americans are deeply divided and Trump magnifies and amplifies those divides as no President before him. You’ll be lucky to have a country by the time he’s done.

That's exactly what he should be doing. If this nation cannot stand with one Culture, o e Society and one set of Values/Ideals/Morals, then it deserves to cease to exist.

 

[Freewill]

This argument gets used by right wingers all the time. It's fucking infantile.

It's basic common sense... If you don't like where you'r lick g you have three useful optiond:

1. Sit down. Shut up. Deal with it.
2. Take up arms to change the situation.
3. Leave.

Leftists aren't capable of 1 or 2 so offer them option 3.

Your ideas of how to deal with situations you don’t like are very limited. The only solution you have for change is to take up arms. A foolish and short sighted notion at best.

How about working for change? Takes longer, requires initiative, planning and organization, but most of the world finds it far more effective than violence.

Change, exactly what?

Whatever you want to change.

Great non-answer.

How about this for change, outlaw BLM, NAACP, the CBC and any other such group.

 

[MPS777]

Actually the US started to go downhill with Reagan. HIs low tax rates on the rich make it impossible to have a Fair modern country.

I think a problem that Democrats don’t realize, is this country is too large and diverse to operate under a single all-encompassing governing policy. And the founders realized that from the beginning, we are a federation of States. So, it appears from your sidebar info that you might be a New Yorker, so let me continue expounding on this issue using New York as an example. There is actually no real need for huge federal tax cuts to hurt New York. It only hurts New York if New York has made itself a dependent, like a vassal, on federal taxing/spending.

Let’s take Medicare for example. Since New Yorkers earn more in general than people in the rest of the country, the federal payroll tax skim will necessarily take more money out of New York than average. Then those payroll taxes just go into the general fund along side income taxes and other revenue sources, and the US Treasury draws on the general fund to pay Medicare. The Medicare “trust fund” is mostly just an indicator, it really doesn’t tell the whole story. So in the case of New York, all kinds of funds are siphoned out of New York into Washington DC, and then FEWER dollars than were siphoned out, are returned back to New York. Now do you think other states are grateful for the transfers from New York? Nope, in fact they are often resentful of New Yorkers who they feel are trying to impose their values on them. Many of them in fact want to punish New Yorkers; that’s what the whole repeal of the state and local tax deduction is about. Many want to gleefully sit back and watch New York suffer, like a big dumb milk cow that will be used (and abused) until death. I say wake up and don’t be a chump.

In terms of healthcare policy, here’s an example of what New Yorkers could do…
Step 1: Agitate for the repeal of Medicare and Obamacare, and demand matching tax reductions to go with it. A federal medicaid type program for the poor (that should get constitutionally authorized first) could be funded through a national sales tax. I also think that the federal business tax deductions for health insurance should be eliminated (it’s just a huge federal market distortion that removes sovereignty from the states).
Step 2: New York should use the resulting funding windfall (New York money staying in New York), to implement a public option health insurance plan. It could be simply means tested with a deductible (and/or premium) that shrinks for people with less income.
Step 3: Limitations on out-of-staters waltzing into New York and taking advantage of the plan would have to be imposed. Something like a five year New York residency waiting period before being eligible.

I truly think the repeal of the state and local tax deduction should be a wake-up call for “blue states”. Republicans intend to do you harm, and as long as you’re ceding sovereignty to the federal government, you’re being complicit in that harm. Federalism is the way out, it’s baked into the constitution, and all you have to do is claim it. I think we as a nation can work just fine as mostly a federation for the common defense, but trying to impose one-size-fits-all social policy is a recipe for resentment. There’s just too many differences between New Yorkers and say, Alabamans, for that to work.

 

[Freewill]

A house divided against itself, cannot stand. Americans are deeply divided and Trump magnifies and amplifies those divides as no President before him. You’ll be lucky to have a country by the time he’s done.

That's exactly what he should be doing. If this nation cannot stand with one Culture, o e Society and one set of Values/Ideals/Morals, then it deserves to cease to exist.

Did he say something as dumb as "the police acted stupidly?"

Ignoring Trump, bring people to together is what the protest over the NFL kneeing is really all about. The USA does not have a common culture, it does not have a common religion. The USA really has nothing to bring it together other than patriotism. If we all could work for the good of the NATION things would actually get better. But this BS of dividing both sides against each other has to stop, and it ain't just whitey doing it.

 

[GHook93]

This country ranks No. 1 for life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness (its not America)
This country ranks No. 1 for ‘life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness’ (it’s not America)

Norway ranked the No. 1 place for happiness and personal freedom, according to an analysis of three separate studies on life expectancy by the World Bank, on civil liberties from Freedom House, a New York-based nonprofit that conducts research on advocacy and democracy, on happiness from the Sustainable Development Solutions Network (SDSN), a group linked to the United Nations, and on rule of law from the World Justice Project, a Washington, D.C.-based nonprofit.

...

The U.S. has seen its happiness slide happiness over the last decade. In 2007, it ranked No. 3 among the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development countries. Last year, it was 19th, down from 13th the year before. “The predominant political discourse in the United States is aimed at raising economic growth, with the goal of restoring the American Dream and the happiness that is supposed to accompany it. But the data show conclusively that this is the wrong approach,” the report concluded.

For those interviewed in the report, perception is reality. At least, as far as their happiness is concerned and, experts say, the divisive political climate likely hasn’t helped. “The United States can and should raise happiness by addressing America’s multi-faceted social crisis — rising inequality, corruption, isolation, and distrust — rather than focusing exclusively or even mainly on economic growth, especially since the concrete proposals along these lines would exacerbate rather than ameliorate the deepening social crisis,” the report said.

...

The U.S showed less social support, less sense of personal freedom, lower donations, and more perceived corruption of government and business, it said. “America’s crisis is, in short, a social crisis, not an economic crisis… Almost all of the policy discourse in Washington, D.C. centers on naïve attempts to raise the economic growth rate, as if a higher growth rate would somehow heal the deepening divisions and angst in American society. This kind of growth-only agenda is doubly wrong-headed.”

Social democracies lead the world!!! High political freedom, strong safetynet, educated population and high GDP per capita!

WTF does America have??? Low political freedom, weak safetynet that a certain party wants to do away with all together and to hell with the suffering poor, one of the lowest in education but the religious like it that way and a dropping GDP per capita.

America is becoming a second world country.

According to liberal hackdavist. Norway is starting to have an Islamic problem like Sweden. Hence why Sweden is not ranked lower in the liberals eyes. Yet like Sweden, Norway is a relatively sparsely populated country for it’s size and it is located right next to very poor Baltic and Islamic Asian countries like Afghanistan and Pakistan. Yet most of these people rather come to (and destroy) America.

My cousin was an executive in Norway and Sweden for over a decade. He said the people were nice and kind, but there is a lot of truth to the fact that these countries tax the shit out of you and, regardless of liberal meme, the healthcare suck. If you want anything elective (and the list for elective is super long) then you have to pay out of pocket at a private institution. Most of the wealthy Sweds, Nordic and Finish have private health insurance to go to private institutions! Shocker, same in Canada and Britain (probably in France also).


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[Anathema]

Ignoring Trump, bring people to together is what the protest over the NFL kneeing is really all about. The USA does not have a common culture, it does not have a common religion. The USA really has nothing to bring it together other than patriotism. If we all could work for the good of the NATION things would actually get better. But this BS of dividing both sides against each other has to stop, and it ain't just whitey doing it.

A nation with no common core values does not deserve to remain a nation, not will it fit long. In 1775 the colonies had a civil war and he People won over the Government. In 1861 this nation had a civil war and The Government defeated the People.

Eventually there will have to be a tie-breaking conflict. Both sides have learned the opposition wkll never acquiesce quietly and go away. They will need to be eradicated once and for all.

 

[Dragonlady]

They won't leave, and people still flock to our shore, because they know there isn't any where better that will put up with their shyt.

That's why we need to stop putting up with their shit and stsrt forcing people to either leave or get onboard with the Culture, Society, and Ideals this nation was founded on.

Your country was founded nearly 350 years ago as an agrarian economy and had a population of less than 3 million people. Most people were born, grew up, lived and died within a 50 mile radius. Culture and society have changed markedly since that time.

You are no longer an agrarian economy. You have over 300,000,000 people. Your economy is based on goods and services, not agriculture. And you’ve become a huge military power.

What made a country safe and strong in 1776 won’t work today, and I seriously doubt many people are interested in dismantling the military industrial complex you’ve become.

Seriously man, stop dwelling on your pre-Revolutionary heritage. That and $2 will buy you a cup of coffee.

My family has been in this country since before since the Revolutionary War as well. We have our own town which was owned and developed generations ago. I’m proud of my heritage and my family’s contribution to our country but in the grand scheme of things it doesn’t make me any different or better than the next guy. Even if he just became a citizen last week.