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This Guy Is Ready To Go To Jail For His Rights

Simply because the cop pulled him over then it must've been wrong? I didnt see anything that suggested anything violated anything.

What time mark did you see that?

Producing a drivers license in a stop is mandatory. Some cities have noise laws to keep the thumpers under control. IF he wanted to contest the stop for gang-bang thumping, the first step is to produce a license. THEN he can argue that he has a right to thump for his homies.
 
So what's the legal charge then?

Oh...just anything?

Refusing to produce his license when pulled over by a police officer. That was why he was arrested. You are aware that you can't operate a motor vehicle without a driver's license, aren't you? He didn't give the cop a choice and he is an idiot.

You are assuming this jackass was in the right. There is nothing on that video which shows he wasn't pulled over legitimately, only that he acted like a complete ass after being pulled over. He claims his rights were being violated, but there is absolutely nothing in that video to show that is the case. Based upon that video, I would say the cop acted in a highly professional manner.

Well nothing except the officer said he was pulled over for loud music and when he stated the law says it has to be from 50 ft the officer responded that she didnt care.

Theres that.

Where on that video does it show where the cop was when she pulled him over? How do you know she wasn't a hundred feet from the car when she heard the music? The video doesn't even start until the car has been pulled over. So all you have is the guy saying that on the video and him acting like a complete ass. He's an idiot, went to jail because he is an idiot, and I see no reason to make a decision on what happened based solely upon the word of an idiot. The cop acted calmly and professionally, and I see no reason to presume she was not doing so when she pulled him over.

Well because he cited the law and she responded that she didnt care. I mean are we listening to the video or are we going to assume she was right FIRST and build the narrative from there?

Because she was cited the law and responded that she didnt care. Why dont you believe her?

Why the hell should she care? It's not the cop's job to argue the law with idiots. She asked for his license and he refused to provide it - so he went to jail. He's an idiot.

So he did violate the law even tho only one person on the video said they didnt care about the law?

I'm seeing that if an officer pulls you over that action alone makes it lawful.
 
I block video, anyone want to clue me in?

Police said he was pulled over because of loud music

Driver said loud music is against the law if you can hear it 50 ft away.

Cop didn't care about the law and asked for his ID reason unknown. Driver said he broke no laws and didn't have to provide I'D

Police said she would take him to jail again for reasons unknown but some here seem to believe that being stupid is against the law.

The guy said take me to jail then... and said he's willing in order to protect something called "rights"

A driver's license is required to drive a car. When you are pulled over you have to show you are a legal driver and that you have insurance, usually requires showing an "ID".

Why is that so hard to understand?

He went to jail for failing driving a vehicle without a license.
Police can randomly pull you over and ask for license??
Don't they need a lawful reason to pull you over in the first place?
No reasonable suspicion or probable cause?
Just 'driving while brown and playing music' isn't enough

He wasn't randomly pulled over. He was pulled over for playing his music too loud which in some municipalities is against the law.
 
Simply because the cop pulled him over then it must've been wrong? I didnt see anything that suggested anything violated anything.

What time mark did you see that?

Producing a drivers license in a stop is mandatory. Some cities have noise laws to keep the thumpers under control. IF he wanted to contest the stop for gang-bang thumping, the first step is to produce a license. THEN he can argue that he has a right to thump for his homies.

And then what? Step out the car after that? Search? Pat down?

I'm just trying to understand how far an officer can go before they violate someones rights...
 
I block video, anyone want to clue me in?

Police said he was pulled over because of loud music

Driver said loud music is against the law if you can hear it 50 ft away.

Cop didn't care about the law and asked for his ID reason unknown. Driver said he broke no laws and didn't have to provide I'D

Police said she would take him to jail again for reasons unknown but some here seem to believe that being stupid is against the law.

The guy said take me to jail then... and said he's willing in order to protect something called "rights"

A driver's license is required to drive a car. When you are pulled over you have to show you are a legal driver and that you have insurance, usually requires showing an "ID".

Why is that so hard to understand?

He went to jail for failing driving a vehicle without a license.
Police can randomly pull you over and ask for license??
Don't they need a lawful reason to pull you over in the first place?
No reasonable suspicion or probable cause?
Just 'driving while brown and playing music' isn't enough

He was pulled over because he was playing his stereo too loud. Apparently that violated a local ordinance. Not random at all. Perhaps the town doesn't want people blasting their tunes out at 2 am in neighborhoods when people are trying to sleep. How repressive government can be. It's getting so a guy can't be a total dick wad without the man coming down on you.


Simply because the cop pulled him over then it must've been wrong? I didnt see anything that suggested anything violated anything.

What time mark did you see that?

You don't see it. That is the point. You have decided the cop must have been wrong because this twit says so. Based upon the behavior in the video, I'll take the cop's word over his any day. I hope the idiot decides to use the video as evidence in court. That will make the prosecution happy.
 
Simply because the cop pulled him over then it must've been wrong? I didnt see anything that suggested anything violated anything.

What time mark did you see that?

Producing a drivers license in a stop is mandatory. Some cities have noise laws to keep the thumpers under control. IF he wanted to contest the stop for gang-bang thumping, the first step is to produce a license. THEN he can argue that he has a right to thump for his homies.

And then what? Step out the car after that? Search? Pat down?

I'm just trying to understand how far an officer can go before they violate someones rights...

When they actually do violate their rights. They can't search the car without permission or probable cause. But that is for a court to decide, not some clown on the road. This guy's rights were not violated even a little bit. It was entirely his fault. He's not a hero, he's a overgrown child.
 
Simply because the cop pulled him over then it must've been wrong? I didnt see anything that suggested anything violated anything.

What time mark did you see that?

Producing a drivers license in a stop is mandatory. Some cities have noise laws to keep the thumpers under control. IF he wanted to contest the stop for gang-bang thumping, the first step is to produce a license. THEN he can argue that he has a right to thump for his homies.

And then what? Step out the car after that? Search? Pat down?

I'm just trying to understand how far an officer can go before they violate someones rights...

What rights were violated?
 
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And then what? Step out the car after that? Search? Pat down?

CA Codes veh 14600-14611

This is California, but I would bet other states are the same. You MUST possess and produce a valid license when requested by law enforcement.

No wiggle room.

I'm just trying to understand how far an officer can go before they violate someones rights...

One has the right to know why they were pulled over, and to demand a supervisor be called to the scene before further actions are taken. Beyond that, you have to comply.
 
Why do some on the left so passionately defend idiots and assume the cops are always wrong?
 
Police said he was pulled over because of loud music

Driver said loud music is against the law if you can hear it 50 ft away.

Cop didn't care about the law and asked for his ID reason unknown. Driver said he broke no laws and didn't have to provide I'D

Police said she would take him to jail again for reasons unknown but some here seem to believe that being stupid is against the law.

The guy said take me to jail then... and said he's willing in order to protect something called "rights"

A driver's license is required to drive a car. When you are pulled over you have to show you are a legal driver and that you have insurance, usually requires showing an "ID".

Why is that so hard to understand?

He went to jail for failing driving a vehicle without a license.
Police can randomly pull you over and ask for license??
Don't they need a lawful reason to pull you over in the first place?
No reasonable suspicion or probable cause?
Just 'driving while brown and playing music' isn't enough

He was pulled over because he was playing his stereo too loud. Apparently that violated a local ordinance. Not random at all. Perhaps the town doesn't want people blasting their tunes out at 2 am in neighborhoods when people are trying to sleep. How repressive government can be. It's getting so a guy can't be a total dick wad without the man coming down on you.


Simply because the cop pulled him over then it must've been wrong? I didnt see anything that suggested anything violated anything.

What time mark did you see that?

You don't see it. That is the point. You have decided the cop must have been wrong because this twit says so. Based upon the behavior in the video, I'll take the cop's word over his any day. I hope the idiot decides to use the video as evidence in court. That will make the prosecution happy.

Well that and the fact that I asked you where you saw a violation and you danced around the answer...

Oh and that I asked several times what is NOT a lawful stop and everyone danced around the answer


Oh and the fact that I asked you where you saw a violation of anything and you danced around the answer...

I mean, I'm sure there is an answer but the fact that you cant answer....over and over...suggests that you dont have an answer
 
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And then what? Step out the car after that? Search? Pat down?

CA Codes veh 14600-14611

This is California, but I would bet other states are the same. You MUST possess and produce a valid license when requested by law enforcement.

No wiggle room.

I'm just trying to understand how far an officer can go before they violate someones rights...

One has the right to know why they were pulled over, and to demand a supervisor be called to the scene before further actions are taken. Beyond that, you have to comply.

Does the officer have to comply with the request of a supervisor before taking any other actions?
 
When they actually do violate their rights. They can't search the car without permission or probable cause. But that is for a court to decide, not some clown on the road. This guy's rights were not violated even a little bit. It was entirely his fault. He's not a hero, he's a overgrown child.

California ruled that the traffic stop itself constitutes probable cause and that any vehicle may be searched at any time. I see this as a violation of rights.

When can the police search the trunk of a car legalzoom.com
 
Does the officer have to comply with the request of a supervisor before taking any other actions?

If the driver asks for a supervisor, the officer must stop all actions until the supervisor arrives. Obviously if the driver poses a threat or attempts to escape, the officer will engage. But otherwise, they legally must halt all actions and wait. Again, this is California law - other states may vary. This arose not from fear of the police, but from a string of rapes in the 80's where the rapist had a convincing police car and uniform, and was pulling women over then raping them.
 
A driver's license is required to drive a car. When you are pulled over you have to show you are a legal driver and that you have insurance, usually requires showing an "ID".

Why is that so hard to understand?

He went to jail for failing driving a vehicle without a license.
Police can randomly pull you over and ask for license??
Don't they need a lawful reason to pull you over in the first place?
No reasonable suspicion or probable cause?
Just 'driving while brown and playing music' isn't enough

He was pulled over because he was playing his stereo too loud. Apparently that violated a local ordinance. Not random at all. Perhaps the town doesn't want people blasting their tunes out at 2 am in neighborhoods when people are trying to sleep. How repressive government can be. It's getting so a guy can't be a total dick wad without the man coming down on you.


Simply because the cop pulled him over then it must've been wrong? I didnt see anything that suggested anything violated anything.

What time mark did you see that?

You don't see it. That is the point. You have decided the cop must have been wrong because this twit says so. Based upon the behavior in the video, I'll take the cop's word over his any day. I hope the idiot decides to use the video as evidence in court. That will make the prosecution happy.

Well that and the fact that I asked you where you saw a violation and you danced around the answer...

Oh and that I asked several times what is NOT a lawful stop and everyone danced around the answer


Oh and the fact that I asked you where you saw a violation of anything and you danced around the answer...

I mean, I'm sure there is an answer but the fact that you cant answer....over and over...suggests that you dont have an answer

Can you be any more stupid?

The violation was he was playing his music too loud. We know this because he denied it was too loud. His denial doesn't mean squat. He was going to receive a citation regardless of what he thinks the law is. He can argue his case to the judge.

It was a "lawful stop". A cop is allowed to stop a vehicle if they have reasonable suspicion that a crime has occurred or is about to occur.
 
A driver's license is required to drive a car. When you are pulled over you have to show you are a legal driver and that you have insurance, usually requires showing an "ID".

Why is that so hard to understand?

He went to jail for failing driving a vehicle without a license.
Police can randomly pull you over and ask for license??
Don't they need a lawful reason to pull you over in the first place?
No reasonable suspicion or probable cause?
Just 'driving while brown and playing music' isn't enough

He was pulled over because he was playing his stereo too loud. Apparently that violated a local ordinance. Not random at all. Perhaps the town doesn't want people blasting their tunes out at 2 am in neighborhoods when people are trying to sleep. How repressive government can be. It's getting so a guy can't be a total dick wad without the man coming down on you.


Simply because the cop pulled him over then it must've been wrong? I didnt see anything that suggested anything violated anything.

What time mark did you see that?

You don't see it. That is the point. You have decided the cop must have been wrong because this twit says so. Based upon the behavior in the video, I'll take the cop's word over his any day. I hope the idiot decides to use the video as evidence in court. That will make the prosecution happy.

Well that and the fact that I asked you where you saw a violation and you danced around the answer...

Oh and that I asked several times what is NOT a lawful stop and everyone danced around the answer


Oh and the fact that I asked you where you saw a violation of anything and you danced around the answer...

I mean, I'm sure there is an answer but the fact that you cant answer....over and over...suggests that you dont have an answer

Wow. You really want this guy to be right, don't you The violation was refusing to provide a drivers' license. That is what we saw. As to whether or not the cop was justified in pulling him over we don't see, but that doesn't matter at all. Because he broke the law in the video. So you want me to assume that a guy who broke the law in the video couldn't have broken the law before the video? That a guy acting like a twit in the video wasn't acting like a twit before the video? Let me quote the only person acting like an adult in that video... "I don't care".
 
Why do some on the left so passionately defend idiots and assume the cops are always wrong?


I'm a Libertarian, and a fairly radical one - and I have no problem with the requirement to produce a license. If you drive on public roads, you must be licensed. It's a simple concept.

I was addressing those that defended the idiot in this case. I wasn't aware that you had done that.
 
Does the officer have to comply with the request of a supervisor before taking any other actions?

If the driver asks for a supervisor, the officer must stop all actions until the supervisor arrives. Obviously if the driver poses a threat or attempts to escape, the officer will engage. But otherwise, they legally must halt all actions and wait. Again, this is California law - other states may vary. This arose not from fear of the police, but from a string of rapes in the 80's where the rapist had a convincing police car and uniform, and was pulling women over then raping them.

Yes. I recall that. I was living in L.A. at the time. I don't think that is a requirement in Virginia, but I could be wrong.
 
Police can randomly pull you over and ask for license??
Don't they need a lawful reason to pull you over in the first place?
No reasonable suspicion or probable cause?
Just 'driving while brown and playing music' isn't enough

He was pulled over because he was playing his stereo too loud. Apparently that violated a local ordinance. Not random at all. Perhaps the town doesn't want people blasting their tunes out at 2 am in neighborhoods when people are trying to sleep. How repressive government can be. It's getting so a guy can't be a total dick wad without the man coming down on you.


Simply because the cop pulled him over then it must've been wrong? I didnt see anything that suggested anything violated anything.

What time mark did you see that?

You don't see it. That is the point. You have decided the cop must have been wrong because this twit says so. Based upon the behavior in the video, I'll take the cop's word over his any day. I hope the idiot decides to use the video as evidence in court. That will make the prosecution happy.

Well that and the fact that I asked you where you saw a violation and you danced around the answer...

Oh and that I asked several times what is NOT a lawful stop and everyone danced around the answer


Oh and the fact that I asked you where you saw a violation of anything and you danced around the answer...

I mean, I'm sure there is an answer but the fact that you cant answer....over and over...suggests that you dont have an answer

Can you be any more stupid?

The violation was he was playing his music too loud. We know this because he denied it was too loud. His denial doesn't mean squat. He was going to receive a citation regardless of what he thinks the law is. He can argue his case to the judge.

It was a "lawful stop". A cop is allowed to stop a vehicle if they have reasonable suspicion that a crime has occurred or is about to occur.

It was too loud because he denied it? Circular logic is perfect because Circular logic is perfect.

Then you say his denial doesnt mean anything after saying his denial means he violated the law?
 
Police can randomly pull you over and ask for license??
Don't they need a lawful reason to pull you over in the first place?
No reasonable suspicion or probable cause?
Just 'driving while brown and playing music' isn't enough

He was pulled over because he was playing his stereo too loud. Apparently that violated a local ordinance. Not random at all. Perhaps the town doesn't want people blasting their tunes out at 2 am in neighborhoods when people are trying to sleep. How repressive government can be. It's getting so a guy can't be a total dick wad without the man coming down on you.


Simply because the cop pulled him over then it must've been wrong? I didnt see anything that suggested anything violated anything.

What time mark did you see that?

You don't see it. That is the point. You have decided the cop must have been wrong because this twit says so. Based upon the behavior in the video, I'll take the cop's word over his any day. I hope the idiot decides to use the video as evidence in court. That will make the prosecution happy.

Well that and the fact that I asked you where you saw a violation and you danced around the answer...

Oh and that I asked several times what is NOT a lawful stop and everyone danced around the answer


Oh and the fact that I asked you where you saw a violation of anything and you danced around the answer...

I mean, I'm sure there is an answer but the fact that you cant answer....over and over...suggests that you dont have an answer

Wow. You really want this guy to be right, don't you The violation was refusing to provide a drivers' license. That is what we saw.

I agree with that....I asked what the violation was to pull him over in the first place.

As to whether or not the cop was justified in pulling him over we don't see, but that doesn't matter at all.

Actually, that does matter because thats the question I asked.

Because he broke the law in the video. So you want me to assume that a guy who broke the law in the video couldn't have broken the law before the video?

I'm asking why was he pulled over when she didnt care about the loud music law. Its like

"Hey I pulled you over for loud music"
"My music isnt loud"
"Doesnt matter now, I pulled you over so its lawful"
"Huh?"
"License please"
"For what?"
"Dont matter now, you're already stopped lol"
 

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