This is how badly Canadian gun control failed.....

[2aguy]

Yep.....despite all of their extreme gun control, a mad killer got an illegal gun illegally and murdered people in a gun free zone in Canada....

They have all the gun laws American gun grabbing extremists want.....regisration, magazine limits, licensing gun owners, no concealed carry....


this is how badly their wonderful gun control laws failed...

The attack ended as these attack end... the killer took his own life as soon as people with guns drove to the scene, and arrived with more guns...guns in the hands of good guys. Had someone at the scene had a legal gun of their own, lives could have been saved...

Gun Control Fails Again in Toronto, Canada


Madmen intent on murder ignore the law. After every murder, politician propose more gun laws as a distraction from their failed policies of gun control.. and foolish Canadians (and Americans) fall for it time after time.

• The murderer had a long history of mental illness. He was being treated for depression and anxiety. Despite that troubling past, the murderer was not on the list of people prohibited from owning a firearm in Canada. Canadian gun control failed to stop the murderer, but might have disarmed the murderers victims.
• Canada requires honest citizens to obtain a license if they want to own a firearm. Those background checks and character references didn’t stop a criminal madmen from getting a stolen gun.
• Canada requires honest citizens to register their firearms. The murderer didn’t register his stolen handgun. Did politicians and Canadian voters really think he would?
• Canada denies the right of armed self-defense to its citizens. The government told them they would be safer if they couldn’t shoot back. We can see how safe they really were.
• Innocent civilians cannot get a license to carry a concealed firearm. The murderer carried his gun in public anyway.
• Canada limits the number of cartridges that may be loaded into a handgun magazine. That isn’t much of a hindrance. The murderer had more than enough time to reload his gun because his victims were disarmed.
• Canadian law requires that your guns are securely locked and unloaded when they are transported in a vehicle. That meant that the victims could not run to their car and get a tool for their own defense. Safe storage laws insured their vulnerability rather than make the victims safer.

The killing continued until the police chased the murderer from the streets. When confronted by good guys with guns, the murderer ran into an alley and took his own life.

 

[Wuwei]

Wow. The number of mass shootings in Canada is getting close to the 154 mass shootings in the US.

 

[2aguy]

Wow. The number of mass shootings in Canada is getting close to the 154 mass shootings in the US.

There haven't been 154 mass shootings in the U.S.....

Mother Jones, an anti gun, left wing news source can explain it to you...

In a country of over 320 million people.....

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation


2017: 11 ( 5 according to the old standard)

2016....6

2015....4 ( obama's new standard....7)

2014....2 (4)

2013....5

2012....7

2011....3

2010....1

2009....4

2008....3

2007....4

2006....3

2005...2

2004....1

2003...1

2002 not listed so more than likely 0

2001....1

2000....1

1999....5

1998...3

1997....2

1996....1

1995...1

1994...1

1993...4

1992...2

1991...3

1990...1

1989...2

1988....1

1987...1

1986...1

1985... not listed so probably 0

1984...2

1983...not listed so probably 0

1982...1

 

[BlackFlag]

Yep.....despite all of their extreme gun control, a mad killer got an illegal gun illegally and murdered people in a gun free zone in Canada....

They have all the gun laws American gun grabbing extremists want.....regisration, magazine limits, licensing gun owners, no concealed carry....


this is how badly their wonderful gun control laws failed...

The attack ended as these attack end... the killer took his own life as soon as people with guns drove to the scene, and arrived with more guns...guns in the hands of good guys. Had someone at the scene had a legal gun of their own, lives could have been saved...

Gun Control Fails Again in Toronto, Canada


Madmen intent on murder ignore the law. After every murder, politician propose more gun laws as a distraction from their failed policies of gun control.. and foolish Canadians (and Americans) fall for it time after time.

• The murderer had a long history of mental illness. He was being treated for depression and anxiety. Despite that troubling past, the murderer was not on the list of people prohibited from owning a firearm in Canada. Canadian gun control failed to stop the murderer, but might have disarmed the murderers victims.
• Canada requires honest citizens to obtain a license if they want to own a firearm. Those background checks and character references didn’t stop a criminal madmen from getting a stolen gun.
• Canada requires honest citizens to register their firearms. The murderer didn’t register his stolen handgun. Did politicians and Canadian voters really think he would?
• Canada denies the right of armed self-defense to its citizens. The government told them they would be safer if they couldn’t shoot back. We can see how safe they really were.
• Innocent civilians cannot get a license to carry a concealed firearm. The murderer carried his gun in public anyway.
• Canada limits the number of cartridges that may be loaded into a handgun magazine. That isn’t much of a hindrance. The murderer had more than enough time to reload his gun because his victims were disarmed.
• Canadian law requires that your guns are securely locked and unloaded when they are transported in a vehicle. That meant that the victims could not run to their car and get a tool for their own defense. Safe storage laws insured their vulnerability rather than make the victims safer.

The killing continued until the police chased the murderer from the streets. When confronted by good guys with guns, the murderer ran into an alley and took his own life.

What's Canada's murder rate?

 

[2aguy]

Yep.....despite all of their extreme gun control, a mad killer got an illegal gun illegally and murdered people in a gun free zone in Canada....

They have all the gun laws American gun grabbing extremists want.....regisration, magazine limits, licensing gun owners, no concealed carry....


this is how badly their wonderful gun control laws failed...

The attack ended as these attack end... the killer took his own life as soon as people with guns drove to the scene, and arrived with more guns...guns in the hands of good guys. Had someone at the scene had a legal gun of their own, lives could have been saved...

Gun Control Fails Again in Toronto, Canada


Madmen intent on murder ignore the law. After every murder, politician propose more gun laws as a distraction from their failed policies of gun control.. and foolish Canadians (and Americans) fall for it time after time.

• The murderer had a long history of mental illness. He was being treated for depression and anxiety. Despite that troubling past, the murderer was not on the list of people prohibited from owning a firearm in Canada. Canadian gun control failed to stop the murderer, but might have disarmed the murderers victims.
• Canada requires honest citizens to obtain a license if they want to own a firearm. Those background checks and character references didn’t stop a criminal madmen from getting a stolen gun.
• Canada requires honest citizens to register their firearms. The murderer didn’t register his stolen handgun. Did politicians and Canadian voters really think he would?
• Canada denies the right of armed self-defense to its citizens. The government told them they would be safer if they couldn’t shoot back. We can see how safe they really were.
• Innocent civilians cannot get a license to carry a concealed firearm. The murderer carried his gun in public anyway.
• Canada limits the number of cartridges that may be loaded into a handgun magazine. That isn’t much of a hindrance. The murderer had more than enough time to reload his gun because his victims were disarmed.
• Canadian law requires that your guns are securely locked and unloaded when they are transported in a vehicle. That meant that the victims could not run to their car and get a tool for their own defense. Safe storage laws insured their vulnerability rather than make the victims safer.

The killing continued until the police chased the murderer from the streets. When confronted by good guys with guns, the murderer ran into an alley and took his own life.

What's Canada's murder rate?

Canadian criminals are just starting to use their illegal guns to murder people.... being Canadian, murder was never a prime activity....they had illegal guns, they just didn't use them for murder....that is changing.

 

[BlackFlag]

Yep.....despite all of their extreme gun control, a mad killer got an illegal gun illegally and murdered people in a gun free zone in Canada....

They have all the gun laws American gun grabbing extremists want.....regisration, magazine limits, licensing gun owners, no concealed carry....


this is how badly their wonderful gun control laws failed...

The attack ended as these attack end... the killer took his own life as soon as people with guns drove to the scene, and arrived with more guns...guns in the hands of good guys. Had someone at the scene had a legal gun of their own, lives could have been saved...

Gun Control Fails Again in Toronto, Canada


Madmen intent on murder ignore the law. After every murder, politician propose more gun laws as a distraction from their failed policies of gun control.. and foolish Canadians (and Americans) fall for it time after time.

• The murderer had a long history of mental illness. He was being treated for depression and anxiety. Despite that troubling past, the murderer was not on the list of people prohibited from owning a firearm in Canada. Canadian gun control failed to stop the murderer, but might have disarmed the murderers victims.
• Canada requires honest citizens to obtain a license if they want to own a firearm. Those background checks and character references didn’t stop a criminal madmen from getting a stolen gun.
• Canada requires honest citizens to register their firearms. The murderer didn’t register his stolen handgun. Did politicians and Canadian voters really think he would?
• Canada denies the right of armed self-defense to its citizens. The government told them they would be safer if they couldn’t shoot back. We can see how safe they really were.
• Innocent civilians cannot get a license to carry a concealed firearm. The murderer carried his gun in public anyway.
• Canada limits the number of cartridges that may be loaded into a handgun magazine. That isn’t much of a hindrance. The murderer had more than enough time to reload his gun because his victims were disarmed.
• Canadian law requires that your guns are securely locked and unloaded when they are transported in a vehicle. That meant that the victims could not run to their car and get a tool for their own defense. Safe storage laws insured their vulnerability rather than make the victims safer.

The killing continued until the police chased the murderer from the streets. When confronted by good guys with guns, the murderer ran into an alley and took his own life.

What's Canada's murder rate?

Canadian criminals are just starting to use their illegal guns to murder people.... being Canadian, murder was never a prime activity....they had illegal guns, they just didn't use them for murder....that is changing.

I asked for a number. Instead, you responded with pure nonsense. Number please.

 

[2aguy]

Yep.....despite all of their extreme gun control, a mad killer got an illegal gun illegally and murdered people in a gun free zone in Canada....

They have all the gun laws American gun grabbing extremists want.....regisration, magazine limits, licensing gun owners, no concealed carry....


this is how badly their wonderful gun control laws failed...

The attack ended as these attack end... the killer took his own life as soon as people with guns drove to the scene, and arrived with more guns...guns in the hands of good guys. Had someone at the scene had a legal gun of their own, lives could have been saved...

Gun Control Fails Again in Toronto, Canada


Madmen intent on murder ignore the law. After every murder, politician propose more gun laws as a distraction from their failed policies of gun control.. and foolish Canadians (and Americans) fall for it time after time.

• The murderer had a long history of mental illness. He was being treated for depression and anxiety. Despite that troubling past, the murderer was not on the list of people prohibited from owning a firearm in Canada. Canadian gun control failed to stop the murderer, but might have disarmed the murderers victims.
• Canada requires honest citizens to obtain a license if they want to own a firearm. Those background checks and character references didn’t stop a criminal madmen from getting a stolen gun.
• Canada requires honest citizens to register their firearms. The murderer didn’t register his stolen handgun. Did politicians and Canadian voters really think he would?
• Canada denies the right of armed self-defense to its citizens. The government told them they would be safer if they couldn’t shoot back. We can see how safe they really were.
• Innocent civilians cannot get a license to carry a concealed firearm. The murderer carried his gun in public anyway.
• Canada limits the number of cartridges that may be loaded into a handgun magazine. That isn’t much of a hindrance. The murderer had more than enough time to reload his gun because his victims were disarmed.
• Canadian law requires that your guns are securely locked and unloaded when they are transported in a vehicle. That meant that the victims could not run to their car and get a tool for their own defense. Safe storage laws insured their vulnerability rather than make the victims safer.

The killing continued until the police chased the murderer from the streets. When confronted by good guys with guns, the murderer ran into an alley and took his own life.

What's Canada's murder rate?

Canadian criminals are just starting to use their illegal guns to murder people.... being Canadian, murder was never a prime activity....they had illegal guns, they just didn't use them for murder....that is changing.

I asked for a number. Instead, you responded with pure nonsense. Number please.

Murder isn't the issue.... the issue is that Canadian criminals are using guns more and more despiste their extreme gun control...... They didn't commit murder in great numbers before their extreme control, they are not doing it after their extreme gun control.....but they are shooting more and more....

Gun crime is going up in Canada.... you can't hide it, and you can't deny it.... crime is not static and if criminals decide to shoot more, their gun control laws will not stop them...

41% increase in gun violence in Toronto....

I wonder.... is a 94% increase in gun violence and a 163% increase in gun violence victims bigger or smaller than 0%?

Gun violence isn't just a U.S. problem—and Canada isn't immune - Macleans.ca

Despite this and the persistently high rate of gun violence in many Canadian cities, gun violence still isn’t treated as a serious problem here. And when it’s discussed, much of the attention is focused on the city of Toronto. That’s not unreasonable; as of Oct. 2, Toronto has endured 297 shootings—an average of one shooting every day—which left 434 victims with varying degrees of injury in their wake. In terms of absolute numbers, no other Canadian city comes close to the number of shootings and shooting victims, and shootings in Toronto increased 41 per cent between 2015 and 2016; this year’s numbers are on par with the previous year’s, too.

But when year-over-year changes in gun violence are taken into account, there are other Canadian cities whose problems are at least just as bad.

Local officials in Surrey, Edmonton, Calgary, Regina, Ottawa, and Halifax have all publicly lamented the rise of gun violence in their cities, and with the absence of provincial and federal support, they have found themselves scrambling to implement their own initiatives.

In Regina, there has been a 94-per-cent increase in violent offences involving guns over the five-year average, and a 163-per-cent increase in the number of victims of firearms offences between 2015 to 2016. This prompted the city to conduct a two-week gun amnesty program in February.

Confidence in the federal government’s ability to tackle gun violence in Surrey, B.C. is so low that many residents have contemplated severing ties with the RCMP and setting up their own municipal police force. Surrey Mayor Linda Hepner recently announced the city would be creating its own task force to address gang and gun violence.

 

[rightwinger]

Wow

Is this the part where we get to compare our murder rate to Canada’s?

 

[2aguy]

Wow

Is this the part where we get to compare our murder rate to Canada’s?

Yeah..... considering gun crime is going up.....you can try to hide that fact in their low murder rate....but their criminals have more guns, and are shooting people more often...

Gun violence isn't just a U.S. problem—and Canada isn't immune - Macleans.ca

Despite this and the persistently high rate of gun violence in many Canadian cities, gun violence still isn’t treated as a serious problem here. And when it’s discussed, much of the attention is focused on the city of Toronto. That’s not unreasonable; as of Oct. 2, Toronto has endured 297 shootings—an average of one shooting every day—which left 434 victims with varying degrees of injury in their wake. In terms of absolute numbers, no other Canadian city comes close to the number of shootings and shooting victims, and shootings in Toronto increased 41 per cent between 2015 and 2016; this year’s numbers are on par with the previous year’s, too.

But when year-over-year changes in gun violence are taken into account, there are other Canadian cities whose problems are at least just as bad.

Local officials in Surrey, Edmonton, Calgary, Regina, Ottawa, and Halifax have all publicly lamented the rise of gun violence in their cities, and with the absence of provincial and federal support, they have found themselves scrambling to implement their own initiatives.

In Regina, there has been a 94-per-cent increase in violent offences involving guns over the five-year average, and a 163-per-cent increase in the number of victims of firearms offences between 2015 to 2016. This prompted the city to conduct a two-week gun amnesty program in February.

Confidence in the federal government’s ability to tackle gun violence in Surrey, B.C. is so low that many residents have contemplated severing ties with the RCMP and setting up their own municipal police force. Surrey Mayor Linda Hepner recently announced the city would be creating its own task force to address gang and gun violence.


Meanwhile.... in the United States...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

 

[BlackFlag]

Yep.....despite all of their extreme gun control, a mad killer got an illegal gun illegally and murdered people in a gun free zone in Canada....

They have all the gun laws American gun grabbing extremists want.....regisration, magazine limits, licensing gun owners, no concealed carry....


this is how badly their wonderful gun control laws failed...

The attack ended as these attack end... the killer took his own life as soon as people with guns drove to the scene, and arrived with more guns...guns in the hands of good guys. Had someone at the scene had a legal gun of their own, lives could have been saved...

Gun Control Fails Again in Toronto, Canada


Madmen intent on murder ignore the law. After every murder, politician propose more gun laws as a distraction from their failed policies of gun control.. and foolish Canadians (and Americans) fall for it time after time.

• The murderer had a long history of mental illness. He was being treated for depression and anxiety. Despite that troubling past, the murderer was not on the list of people prohibited from owning a firearm in Canada. Canadian gun control failed to stop the murderer, but might have disarmed the murderers victims.
• Canada requires honest citizens to obtain a license if they want to own a firearm. Those background checks and character references didn’t stop a criminal madmen from getting a stolen gun.
• Canada requires honest citizens to register their firearms. The murderer didn’t register his stolen handgun. Did politicians and Canadian voters really think he would?
• Canada denies the right of armed self-defense to its citizens. The government told them they would be safer if they couldn’t shoot back. We can see how safe they really were.
• Innocent civilians cannot get a license to carry a concealed firearm. The murderer carried his gun in public anyway.
• Canada limits the number of cartridges that may be loaded into a handgun magazine. That isn’t much of a hindrance. The murderer had more than enough time to reload his gun because his victims were disarmed.
• Canadian law requires that your guns are securely locked and unloaded when they are transported in a vehicle. That meant that the victims could not run to their car and get a tool for their own defense. Safe storage laws insured their vulnerability rather than make the victims safer.

The killing continued until the police chased the murderer from the streets. When confronted by good guys with guns, the murderer ran into an alley and took his own life.

What's Canada's murder rate?

Canadian criminals are just starting to use their illegal guns to murder people.... being Canadian, murder was never a prime activity....they had illegal guns, they just didn't use them for murder....that is changing.

I asked for a number. Instead, you responded with pure nonsense. Number please.

Murder isn't the issue.... the issue is that Canadian criminals are using guns more and more despiste their extreme gun control...... They didn't commit murder in great numbers before their extreme control, they are not doing it after their extreme gun control.....but they are shooting more and more....

Gun crime is going up in Canada.... you can't hide it, and you can't deny it.... crime is not static and if criminals decide to shoot more, their gun control laws will not stop them...

41% increase in gun violence in Toronto....

I wonder.... is a 94% increase in gun violence and a 163% increase in gun violence victims bigger or smaller than 0%?

Gun violence isn't just a U.S. problem—and Canada isn't immune - Macleans.ca

Despite this and the persistently high rate of gun violence in many Canadian cities, gun violence still isn’t treated as a serious problem here. And when it’s discussed, much of the attention is focused on the city of Toronto. That’s not unreasonable; as of Oct. 2, Toronto has endured 297 shootings—an average of one shooting every day—which left 434 victims with varying degrees of injury in their wake. In terms of absolute numbers, no other Canadian city comes close to the number of shootings and shooting victims, and shootings in Toronto increased 41 per cent between 2015 and 2016; this year’s numbers are on par with the previous year’s, too.

But when year-over-year changes in gun violence are taken into account, there are other Canadian cities whose problems are at least just as bad.

Local officials in Surrey, Edmonton, Calgary, Regina, Ottawa, and Halifax have all publicly lamented the rise of gun violence in their cities, and with the absence of provincial and federal support, they have found themselves scrambling to implement their own initiatives.

In Regina, there has been a 94-per-cent increase in violent offences involving guns over the five-year average, and a 163-per-cent increase in the number of victims of firearms offences between 2015 to 2016. This prompted the city to conduct a two-week gun amnesty program in February.

Confidence in the federal government’s ability to tackle gun violence in Surrey, B.C. is so low that many residents have contemplated severing ties with the RCMP and setting up their own municipal police force. Surrey Mayor Linda Hepner recently announced the city would be creating its own task force to address gang and gun violence.

You did the same thing again. Number please.

 

[2aguy]

Yep.....despite all of their extreme gun control, a mad killer got an illegal gun illegally and murdered people in a gun free zone in Canada....

They have all the gun laws American gun grabbing extremists want.....regisration, magazine limits, licensing gun owners, no concealed carry....


this is how badly their wonderful gun control laws failed...

The attack ended as these attack end... the killer took his own life as soon as people with guns drove to the scene, and arrived with more guns...guns in the hands of good guys. Had someone at the scene had a legal gun of their own, lives could have been saved...

Gun Control Fails Again in Toronto, Canada


Madmen intent on murder ignore the law. After every murder, politician propose more gun laws as a distraction from their failed policies of gun control.. and foolish Canadians (and Americans) fall for it time after time.

• The murderer had a long history of mental illness. He was being treated for depression and anxiety. Despite that troubling past, the murderer was not on the list of people prohibited from owning a firearm in Canada. Canadian gun control failed to stop the murderer, but might have disarmed the murderers victims.
• Canada requires honest citizens to obtain a license if they want to own a firearm. Those background checks and character references didn’t stop a criminal madmen from getting a stolen gun.
• Canada requires honest citizens to register their firearms. The murderer didn’t register his stolen handgun. Did politicians and Canadian voters really think he would?
• Canada denies the right of armed self-defense to its citizens. The government told them they would be safer if they couldn’t shoot back. We can see how safe they really were.
• Innocent civilians cannot get a license to carry a concealed firearm. The murderer carried his gun in public anyway.
• Canada limits the number of cartridges that may be loaded into a handgun magazine. That isn’t much of a hindrance. The murderer had more than enough time to reload his gun because his victims were disarmed.
• Canadian law requires that your guns are securely locked and unloaded when they are transported in a vehicle. That meant that the victims could not run to their car and get a tool for their own defense. Safe storage laws insured their vulnerability rather than make the victims safer.

The killing continued until the police chased the murderer from the streets. When confronted by good guys with guns, the murderer ran into an alley and took his own life.

What's Canada's murder rate?

Canadian criminals are just starting to use their illegal guns to murder people.... being Canadian, murder was never a prime activity....they had illegal guns, they just didn't use them for murder....that is changing.

I asked for a number. Instead, you responded with pure nonsense. Number please.

Murder isn't the issue.... the issue is that Canadian criminals are using guns more and more despiste their extreme gun control...... They didn't commit murder in great numbers before their extreme control, they are not doing it after their extreme gun control.....but they are shooting more and more....

Gun crime is going up in Canada.... you can't hide it, and you can't deny it.... crime is not static and if criminals decide to shoot more, their gun control laws will not stop them...

41% increase in gun violence in Toronto....

I wonder.... is a 94% increase in gun violence and a 163% increase in gun violence victims bigger or smaller than 0%?

Gun violence isn't just a U.S. problem—and Canada isn't immune - Macleans.ca

Despite this and the persistently high rate of gun violence in many Canadian cities, gun violence still isn’t treated as a serious problem here. And when it’s discussed, much of the attention is focused on the city of Toronto. That’s not unreasonable; as of Oct. 2, Toronto has endured 297 shootings—an average of one shooting every day—which left 434 victims with varying degrees of injury in their wake. In terms of absolute numbers, no other Canadian city comes close to the number of shootings and shooting victims, and shootings in Toronto increased 41 per cent between 2015 and 2016; this year’s numbers are on par with the previous year’s, too.

But when year-over-year changes in gun violence are taken into account, there are other Canadian cities whose problems are at least just as bad.

Local officials in Surrey, Edmonton, Calgary, Regina, Ottawa, and Halifax have all publicly lamented the rise of gun violence in their cities, and with the absence of provincial and federal support, they have found themselves scrambling to implement their own initiatives.

In Regina, there has been a 94-per-cent increase in violent offences involving guns over the five-year average, and a 163-per-cent increase in the number of victims of firearms offences between 2015 to 2016. This prompted the city to conduct a two-week gun amnesty program in February.

Confidence in the federal government’s ability to tackle gun violence in Surrey, B.C. is so low that many residents have contemplated severing ties with the RCMP and setting up their own municipal police force. Surrey Mayor Linda Hepner recently announced the city would be creating its own task force to address gang and gun violence.

You did the same thing again. Number please.

Gave you the increase in gun crime....and gun crime victims..... gun control is failing in Canada, just like it is failing in Britain, Australia, and now Canada....

 

[Lewdog]

He illegally got an illegal gun? Isn't that a double illegal, so it cancels out?

 

[Lewdog]

What's Canada's murder rate?

Canadian criminals are just starting to use their illegal guns to murder people.... being Canadian, murder was never a prime activity....they had illegal guns, they just didn't use them for murder....that is changing.

I asked for a number. Instead, you responded with pure nonsense. Number please.

Murder isn't the issue.... the issue is that Canadian criminals are using guns more and more despiste their extreme gun control...... They didn't commit murder in great numbers before their extreme control, they are not doing it after their extreme gun control.....but they are shooting more and more....

Gun crime is going up in Canada.... you can't hide it, and you can't deny it.... crime is not static and if criminals decide to shoot more, their gun control laws will not stop them...

41% increase in gun violence in Toronto....

I wonder.... is a 94% increase in gun violence and a 163% increase in gun violence victims bigger or smaller than 0%?

Gun violence isn't just a U.S. problem—and Canada isn't immune - Macleans.ca

Despite this and the persistently high rate of gun violence in many Canadian cities, gun violence still isn’t treated as a serious problem here. And when it’s discussed, much of the attention is focused on the city of Toronto. That’s not unreasonable; as of Oct. 2, Toronto has endured 297 shootings—an average of one shooting every day—which left 434 victims with varying degrees of injury in their wake. In terms of absolute numbers, no other Canadian city comes close to the number of shootings and shooting victims, and shootings in Toronto increased 41 per cent between 2015 and 2016; this year’s numbers are on par with the previous year’s, too.

But when year-over-year changes in gun violence are taken into account, there are other Canadian cities whose problems are at least just as bad.

Local officials in Surrey, Edmonton, Calgary, Regina, Ottawa, and Halifax have all publicly lamented the rise of gun violence in their cities, and with the absence of provincial and federal support, they have found themselves scrambling to implement their own initiatives.

In Regina, there has been a 94-per-cent increase in violent offences involving guns over the five-year average, and a 163-per-cent increase in the number of victims of firearms offences between 2015 to 2016. This prompted the city to conduct a two-week gun amnesty program in February.

Confidence in the federal government’s ability to tackle gun violence in Surrey, B.C. is so low that many residents have contemplated severing ties with the RCMP and setting up their own municipal police force. Surrey Mayor Linda Hepner recently announced the city would be creating its own task force to address gang and gun violence.

You did the same thing again. Number please.

Gave you the increase in gun crime....and gun crime victims..... gun control is failing in Canada, just like it is failing in Britain, Australia, and now Canada....

We had this talk before. You still don't understand statistics. We don't need to know about percentage increases, we need to know about the number of mass shootings per capita. If a country had 2 mass shootings last year, and had 3 the next, that would give them a higher percentage increase than if a country had 50 one year and then 60 the next. So does that mean the country with an increase of only one did worse than the country with an increase of 10? Stop the silly shit.

 

[2aguy]

Canadian criminals are just starting to use their illegal guns to murder people.... being Canadian, murder was never a prime activity....they had illegal guns, they just didn't use them for murder....that is changing.

I asked for a number. Instead, you responded with pure nonsense. Number please.

Murder isn't the issue.... the issue is that Canadian criminals are using guns more and more despiste their extreme gun control...... They didn't commit murder in great numbers before their extreme control, they are not doing it after their extreme gun control.....but they are shooting more and more....

Gun crime is going up in Canada.... you can't hide it, and you can't deny it.... crime is not static and if criminals decide to shoot more, their gun control laws will not stop them...

41% increase in gun violence in Toronto....

I wonder.... is a 94% increase in gun violence and a 163% increase in gun violence victims bigger or smaller than 0%?

Gun violence isn't just a U.S. problem—and Canada isn't immune - Macleans.ca

Despite this and the persistently high rate of gun violence in many Canadian cities, gun violence still isn’t treated as a serious problem here. And when it’s discussed, much of the attention is focused on the city of Toronto. That’s not unreasonable; as of Oct. 2, Toronto has endured 297 shootings—an average of one shooting every day—which left 434 victims with varying degrees of injury in their wake. In terms of absolute numbers, no other Canadian city comes close to the number of shootings and shooting victims, and shootings in Toronto increased 41 per cent between 2015 and 2016; this year’s numbers are on par with the previous year’s, too.

But when year-over-year changes in gun violence are taken into account, there are other Canadian cities whose problems are at least just as bad.

Local officials in Surrey, Edmonton, Calgary, Regina, Ottawa, and Halifax have all publicly lamented the rise of gun violence in their cities, and with the absence of provincial and federal support, they have found themselves scrambling to implement their own initiatives.

In Regina, there has been a 94-per-cent increase in violent offences involving guns over the five-year average, and a 163-per-cent increase in the number of victims of firearms offences between 2015 to 2016. This prompted the city to conduct a two-week gun amnesty program in February.

Confidence in the federal government’s ability to tackle gun violence in Surrey, B.C. is so low that many residents have contemplated severing ties with the RCMP and setting up their own municipal police force. Surrey Mayor Linda Hepner recently announced the city would be creating its own task force to address gang and gun violence.

You did the same thing again. Number please.

Gave you the increase in gun crime....and gun crime victims..... gun control is failing in Canada, just like it is failing in Britain, Australia, and now Canada....

We had this talk before. You still don't understand statistics. We don't need to know about percentage increases, we need to know about the number of mass shootings per capita. If a country had 2 mass shootings last year, and had 3 the next, that would give them a higher percentage increase than if a country had 50 one year and then 60 the next. So does that mean the country with an increase of only one did worse than the country with an increase of 10? Stop the silly shit.

Doesn't matter, they average about 1 mass shooting a year ....... their gun control laws are not stopping their mass shooters, as rare as they are..... and their gun control is not stopping their criminals from getting guns.....gun crime is going up.

Going up is not going down, which is what it should be doing if their gun control laws worked......they haven't.

 

[Toro]

Canadian criminals are just starting to use their illegal guns to murder people.... being Canadian, murder was never a prime activity....they had illegal guns, they just didn't use them for murder....that is changing.

I asked for a number. Instead, you responded with pure nonsense. Number please.

Murder isn't the issue.... the issue is that Canadian criminals are using guns more and more despiste their extreme gun control...... They didn't commit murder in great numbers before their extreme control, they are not doing it after their extreme gun control.....but they are shooting more and more....

Gun crime is going up in Canada.... you can't hide it, and you can't deny it.... crime is not static and if criminals decide to shoot more, their gun control laws will not stop them...

41% increase in gun violence in Toronto....

I wonder.... is a 94% increase in gun violence and a 163% increase in gun violence victims bigger or smaller than 0%?

Gun violence isn't just a U.S. problem—and Canada isn't immune - Macleans.ca

Despite this and the persistently high rate of gun violence in many Canadian cities, gun violence still isn’t treated as a serious problem here. And when it’s discussed, much of the attention is focused on the city of Toronto. That’s not unreasonable; as of Oct. 2, Toronto has endured 297 shootings—an average of one shooting every day—which left 434 victims with varying degrees of injury in their wake. In terms of absolute numbers, no other Canadian city comes close to the number of shootings and shooting victims, and shootings in Toronto increased 41 per cent between 2015 and 2016; this year’s numbers are on par with the previous year’s, too.

But when year-over-year changes in gun violence are taken into account, there are other Canadian cities whose problems are at least just as bad.

Local officials in Surrey, Edmonton, Calgary, Regina, Ottawa, and Halifax have all publicly lamented the rise of gun violence in their cities, and with the absence of provincial and federal support, they have found themselves scrambling to implement their own initiatives.

In Regina, there has been a 94-per-cent increase in violent offences involving guns over the five-year average, and a 163-per-cent increase in the number of victims of firearms offences between 2015 to 2016. This prompted the city to conduct a two-week gun amnesty program in February.

Confidence in the federal government’s ability to tackle gun violence in Surrey, B.C. is so low that many residents have contemplated severing ties with the RCMP and setting up their own municipal police force. Surrey Mayor Linda Hepner recently announced the city would be creating its own task force to address gang and gun violence.

You did the same thing again. Number please.

Gave you the increase in gun crime....and gun crime victims..... gun control is failing in Canada, just like it is failing in Britain, Australia, and now Canada....

We had this talk before. You still don't understand statistics. We don't need to know about percentage increases, we need to know about the number of mass shootings per capita. If a country had 2 mass shootings last year, and had 3 the next, that would give them a higher percentage increase than if a country had 50 one year and then 60 the next. So does that mean the country with an increase of only one did worse than the country with an increase of 10? Stop the silly shit.

Math is hard for 2adontunderstandmathguy.

 

[rightwinger]

Wow

Is this the part where we get to compare our murder rate to Canada’s?

Yeah..... considering gun crime is going up.....you can try to hide that fact in their low murder rate....but their criminals have more guns, and are shooting people more often...

Gun violence isn't just a U.S. problem—and Canada isn't immune - Macleans.ca

Despite this and the persistently high rate of gun violence in many Canadian cities, gun violence still isn’t treated as a serious problem here. And when it’s discussed, much of the attention is focused on the city of Toronto. That’s not unreasonable; as of Oct. 2, Toronto has endured 297 shootings—an average of one shooting every day—which left 434 victims with varying degrees of injury in their wake. In terms of absolute numbers, no other Canadian city comes close to the number of shootings and shooting victims, and shootings in Toronto increased 41 per cent between 2015 and 2016; this year’s numbers are on par with the previous year’s, too.

But when year-over-year changes in gun violence are taken into account, there are other Canadian cities whose problems are at least just as bad.

Local officials in Surrey, Edmonton, Calgary, Regina, Ottawa, and Halifax have all publicly lamented the rise of gun violence in their cities, and with the absence of provincial and federal support, they have found themselves scrambling to implement their own initiatives.

In Regina, there has been a 94-per-cent increase in violent offences involving guns over the five-year average, and a 163-per-cent increase in the number of victims of firearms offences between 2015 to 2016. This prompted the city to conduct a two-week gun amnesty program in February.

Confidence in the federal government’s ability to tackle gun violence in Surrey, B.C. is so low that many residents have contemplated severing ties with the RCMP and setting up their own municipal police force. Surrey Mayor Linda Hepner recently announced the city would be creating its own task force to address gang and gun violence.


Meanwhile.... in the United States...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Please...please

Can we get rid of our guns so we can go down to Canada’s murder rate?

 

[Lewdog]

I asked for a number. Instead, you responded with pure nonsense. Number please.

Murder isn't the issue.... the issue is that Canadian criminals are using guns more and more despiste their extreme gun control...... They didn't commit murder in great numbers before their extreme control, they are not doing it after their extreme gun control.....but they are shooting more and more....

Gun crime is going up in Canada.... you can't hide it, and you can't deny it.... crime is not static and if criminals decide to shoot more, their gun control laws will not stop them...

41% increase in gun violence in Toronto....

I wonder.... is a 94% increase in gun violence and a 163% increase in gun violence victims bigger or smaller than 0%?

Gun violence isn't just a U.S. problem—and Canada isn't immune - Macleans.ca

Despite this and the persistently high rate of gun violence in many Canadian cities, gun violence still isn’t treated as a serious problem here. And when it’s discussed, much of the attention is focused on the city of Toronto. That’s not unreasonable; as of Oct. 2, Toronto has endured 297 shootings—an average of one shooting every day—which left 434 victims with varying degrees of injury in their wake. In terms of absolute numbers, no other Canadian city comes close to the number of shootings and shooting victims, and shootings in Toronto increased 41 per cent between 2015 and 2016; this year’s numbers are on par with the previous year’s, too.

But when year-over-year changes in gun violence are taken into account, there are other Canadian cities whose problems are at least just as bad.

Local officials in Surrey, Edmonton, Calgary, Regina, Ottawa, and Halifax have all publicly lamented the rise of gun violence in their cities, and with the absence of provincial and federal support, they have found themselves scrambling to implement their own initiatives.

In Regina, there has been a 94-per-cent increase in violent offences involving guns over the five-year average, and a 163-per-cent increase in the number of victims of firearms offences between 2015 to 2016. This prompted the city to conduct a two-week gun amnesty program in February.

Confidence in the federal government’s ability to tackle gun violence in Surrey, B.C. is so low that many residents have contemplated severing ties with the RCMP and setting up their own municipal police force. Surrey Mayor Linda Hepner recently announced the city would be creating its own task force to address gang and gun violence.

You did the same thing again. Number please.

Gave you the increase in gun crime....and gun crime victims..... gun control is failing in Canada, just like it is failing in Britain, Australia, and now Canada....

We had this talk before. You still don't understand statistics. We don't need to know about percentage increases, we need to know about the number of mass shootings per capita. If a country had 2 mass shootings last year, and had 3 the next, that would give them a higher percentage increase than if a country had 50 one year and then 60 the next. So does that mean the country with an increase of only one did worse than the country with an increase of 10? Stop the silly shit.

Doesn't matter, they average about 1 mass shooting a year ....... their gun control laws are not stopping their mass shooters, as rare as they are..... and their gun control is not stopping their criminals from getting guns.....gun crime is going up.

Going up is not going down, which is what it should be doing if their gun control laws worked......they haven't.

Yet another fail about statistics. There are things called anomalies... where one year might be different than another due to factors that are beyond any type of control. Not to mention, NOTHING works 100% of the time.

 

[2aguy]

Murder isn't the issue.... the issue is that Canadian criminals are using guns more and more despiste their extreme gun control...... They didn't commit murder in great numbers before their extreme control, they are not doing it after their extreme gun control.....but they are shooting more and more....

Gun crime is going up in Canada.... you can't hide it, and you can't deny it.... crime is not static and if criminals decide to shoot more, their gun control laws will not stop them...

41% increase in gun violence in Toronto....

I wonder.... is a 94% increase in gun violence and a 163% increase in gun violence victims bigger or smaller than 0%?

Gun violence isn't just a U.S. problem—and Canada isn't immune - Macleans.ca

Despite this and the persistently high rate of gun violence in many Canadian cities, gun violence still isn’t treated as a serious problem here. And when it’s discussed, much of the attention is focused on the city of Toronto. That’s not unreasonable; as of Oct. 2, Toronto has endured 297 shootings—an average of one shooting every day—which left 434 victims with varying degrees of injury in their wake. In terms of absolute numbers, no other Canadian city comes close to the number of shootings and shooting victims, and shootings in Toronto increased 41 per cent between 2015 and 2016; this year’s numbers are on par with the previous year’s, too.

But when year-over-year changes in gun violence are taken into account, there are other Canadian cities whose problems are at least just as bad.

Local officials in Surrey, Edmonton, Calgary, Regina, Ottawa, and Halifax have all publicly lamented the rise of gun violence in their cities, and with the absence of provincial and federal support, they have found themselves scrambling to implement their own initiatives.

In Regina, there has been a 94-per-cent increase in violent offences involving guns over the five-year average, and a 163-per-cent increase in the number of victims of firearms offences between 2015 to 2016. This prompted the city to conduct a two-week gun amnesty program in February.

Confidence in the federal government’s ability to tackle gun violence in Surrey, B.C. is so low that many residents have contemplated severing ties with the RCMP and setting up their own municipal police force. Surrey Mayor Linda Hepner recently announced the city would be creating its own task force to address gang and gun violence.

You did the same thing again. Number please.

Gave you the increase in gun crime....and gun crime victims..... gun control is failing in Canada, just like it is failing in Britain, Australia, and now Canada....

We had this talk before. You still don't understand statistics. We don't need to know about percentage increases, we need to know about the number of mass shootings per capita. If a country had 2 mass shootings last year, and had 3 the next, that would give them a higher percentage increase than if a country had 50 one year and then 60 the next. So does that mean the country with an increase of only one did worse than the country with an increase of 10? Stop the silly shit.

Doesn't matter, they average about 1 mass shooting a year ....... their gun control laws are not stopping their mass shooters, as rare as they are..... and their gun control is not stopping their criminals from getting guns.....gun crime is going up.

Going up is not going down, which is what it should be doing if their gun control laws worked......they haven't.

Yet another fail about statistics. There are things called anomalies... where one year might be different than another due to factors that are beyond any type of control. Not to mention, NOTHING works 100% of the time.

No..... Canada thinks that law abiding gun owners are driving their crime rate, which is why their gun control laws target law abiding gun owners..... since they won't face the truth, that criminals drive the crime rate and ignore their gun control laws, they won't get a handle on this....

 

[Lewdog]

You did the same thing again. Number please.

Gave you the increase in gun crime....and gun crime victims..... gun control is failing in Canada, just like it is failing in Britain, Australia, and now Canada....

We had this talk before. You still don't understand statistics. We don't need to know about percentage increases, we need to know about the number of mass shootings per capita. If a country had 2 mass shootings last year, and had 3 the next, that would give them a higher percentage increase than if a country had 50 one year and then 60 the next. So does that mean the country with an increase of only one did worse than the country with an increase of 10? Stop the silly shit.

Doesn't matter, they average about 1 mass shooting a year ....... their gun control laws are not stopping their mass shooters, as rare as they are..... and their gun control is not stopping their criminals from getting guns.....gun crime is going up.

Going up is not going down, which is what it should be doing if their gun control laws worked......they haven't.

Yet another fail about statistics. There are things called anomalies... where one year might be different than another due to factors that are beyond any type of control. Not to mention, NOTHING works 100% of the time.

No..... Canada thinks that law abiding gun owners are driving their crime rate, which is why their gun control laws target law abiding gun owners..... since they won't face the truth, that criminals drive the crime rate and ignore their gun control laws, they won't get a handle on this....

Their gun crime rate is a mere fraction of that in the U.S. and here you are trying to use the same type of mental midget reasoning that Holocaust deniers use with fudging statistics to fit your agenda.

 

[Crepitus]

Yep.....despite all of their extreme gun control, a mad killer got an illegal gun illegally and murdered people in a gun free zone in Canada....

They have all the gun laws American gun grabbing extremists want.....regisration, magazine limits, licensing gun owners, no concealed carry....


this is how badly their wonderful gun control laws failed...

The attack ended as these attack end... the killer took his own life as soon as people with guns drove to the scene, and arrived with more guns...guns in the hands of good guys. Had someone at the scene had a legal gun of their own, lives could have been saved...

Gun Control Fails Again in Toronto, Canada


Madmen intent on murder ignore the law. After every murder, politician propose more gun laws as a distraction from their failed policies of gun control.. and foolish Canadians (and Americans) fall for it time after time.

• The murderer had a long history of mental illness. He was being treated for depression and anxiety. Despite that troubling past, the murderer was not on the list of people prohibited from owning a firearm in Canada. Canadian gun control failed to stop the murderer, but might have disarmed the murderers victims.
• Canada requires honest citizens to obtain a license if they want to own a firearm. Those background checks and character references didn’t stop a criminal madmen from getting a stolen gun.
• Canada requires honest citizens to register their firearms. The murderer didn’t register his stolen handgun. Did politicians and Canadian voters really think he would?
• Canada denies the right of armed self-defense to its citizens. The government told them they would be safer if they couldn’t shoot back. We can see how safe they really were.
• Innocent civilians cannot get a license to carry a concealed firearm. The murderer carried his gun in public anyway.
• Canada limits the number of cartridges that may be loaded into a handgun magazine. That isn’t much of a hindrance. The murderer had more than enough time to reload his gun because his victims were disarmed.
• Canadian law requires that your guns are securely locked and unloaded when they are transported in a vehicle. That meant that the victims could not run to their car and get a tool for their own defense. Safe storage laws insured their vulnerability rather than make the victims safer.

The killing continued until the police chased the murderer from the streets. When confronted by good guys with guns, the murderer ran into an alley and took his own life.

Lol, dude you are just fucking hilarious with this shit.

Everybody but your dumb ass knows gun control can never stop every shooting.

As usual your straw man is weak and poorly constructed.