This is Why, Despite Everything Else, I am Willing to Vote for Bernie Sanders.

We have a political system that is broken, subverted by corporate money and that no longer listens to the American people. We have millions of American citizens looking for jobs and cant get any, while our politicians still let in hundreds of thousands of cheap foreign laborers that take our jobs and let currently hired Americans get fired and compelled to train their foreign replacements. This is in direct violation of what the guest worker programs were intended for and they are so heavily abused that I am in favor of simply dismantling those programs across the board until every American that wants a job can get one. Fuck the corporations that would rather hire some liar from Hyderabad and leave American veterans unemployed or even living on the streets homeless.

While more and more Americans were getting sloughed off the tally of 'employable Americans looking for work' so that Obama's Dhimmicrats could brag about lowering the Unemployment Rate, the feds were buying worthless securities from the major Wall Street banks that couldnt get rid of them. Oh yes, and the federal Reserve paid the Wall Street banks FACE VALUE for those equities. That is like me buying your old busted up truck that doesnt run anymore at the same price you bought it at brand new. That is the kind of thing only a crook would do as some sort of quid-pro-quo, not even the biggest idiot businessman would do something like that. And the total tally for this program, known as 'Quantitative Easing' was $4 TRILLION, that is right FOUR TRILLION US DOLLARS. The biggest robbery of the US government and this nation that it has ever seen.

My own experience that led me to think that I would put up with all of Sanders social issues fails is that these issues are not as important as my pocket book concerns because the GOP is not going to ever change any of this anyway. I worked from the day I turned 14 years old as a bus boy at a local restaurant and that does not include all the yards I mowed, garages I painted, fences I built prior to that. I love to work and a big slice of my self image has been built around my ability and readiness to get and hold a job.

But now I cannot get a job. I am 58 years old, I am coming off two years of disability, and I cannot even get an interview. Just called a former boss, who had given me several ataboys and a little statue, lol, to show their appreciation to me, and he has not yet returned my phone call. (Edit: he just called me about 30 minutes after I posted, lol) The glut of guest workers is so high that corporations do not have a single reason to give someone like me a shot at a job or even an interview.

So if this is how it is under corporate rule, I know I much prefer living under a barely functioning Sanders version of socialism instead. I gave the GOP decades of loyalty and all I got from them were broken promises, lies and smoke blown up my ass.

Since when did being a 'conservative' mean that you turned a blind eye to the plight of unfortunate fellow American veterans? I did not cause my two slipped discs, nor the idiocy of my doctor who failed to get me the MRIs I should have had from day One, nor why the moron took me off my disability even though my physical condition had only worsened until I healed up from my surgery from last September. And while I am ready and anxious to get back to my career, I dont have the opportunity because GOP RINOs have helped Obama to flood the country with guest workers. That is my fault? And yet I have no Unemployment, no welfare or help of any kind from the government; I have totally fallen through the cracks of the so-called 'Social Safety Net'.

There are many legitimate criticisms of Bernie Sanders but he has this going for him; he is an honest man of integrity who will place the highest priority to removing undo corporate influence from our political system and getting Americans back to work.

I am all for it despite the wacko-libtard social baggage that comes with it.

I feel for ya. Truth is both parties are basically the same. We were discussing the possibility of Obama getting elected, and an old lady at the post office once said, "what's the difference, one group of thieves leaves and another replaces them". How true. I suppose that's why the "non establishment" candidates have so much traction this year. People are sick and tired of being bullshitted.
 
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No, I disagree.

Can you explain how taking people out of the work force helps an economy?

I know economic hardship can make people desperate. Sanders promises freebees which can be very appealing to someone out of work. But reality doesn't match what Sanders promises.

Bill Clinton promised tons of free shit to America as well, "ending 12 years of Reaganism" with a "more compassionate government." It never materialized. Clinton too was going to "rape the rich on behalf of the poor." And while he raped plenty of women, he didn't do shit for the poor. I'll give the old rapist credit for enacting some of his plans, he jacked the corporate tax rate up in hopes of looting the productive to bribe voters. But the result was that American corporations simply fled to foreign shores, taking jobs with them. When Sanders promises to rape the rich on your behalf, it is hyperbole that is used to get suckers to support him.

Sanders never offers specifics, he is a classical con artist, he appeals to the greed of people who want something for nothing, without ever detailing just how this will come about. He'll jack up corporate taxes even higher? We are already the highest in the world, that will just drive more corporation to Dubia or other havens.

The there is the elephant in the room; you are white. You will get nothing from the democrats other than a boot to the face. Your skin is your sin, you know full well that the party hates you and will do anything to crush you and every other white person in the nation. Racism is the foundation of the democrats, of Sanders. No white person will every get a fair shake from them.

Tow points of disagreement.

1. The Democrats push anti-Age discrimination, though not as hard as they do other reforms of discrimination.

2. While Sanders will give support to unemployed Americans like Hillary will, he will also address the root cause of the problem; corporate corruption in our current Corporate Crony system that runs DC. Hillary is part of that problem.
 
Sorry but this situation is of your own making by supporting "Conservative"policies, refusing to share the American dream with American minorities, supporting segregation and racism.
Now you are in the same position that minorities have always had to deal with in this country, you wouldn't share the pie and voted for the people that have now taken the pie from you.
roflmao, you are a complete retard.

Even if I did somehow have some impact on such policies, which I have always voted against, none of that means I caused any of it.

My voting record did not cause me to have two slipped discs nor did it cause me to wind up with an incompetent doctor.

You may go back to chewing your crayons, dimwit.
Proof that you are in the position you are in...your post.
Never said I wasnt in the position I am in, lol, but that my voting choices did not cause my two slipped discs nor an incompetent doctor.
 
I feel for ya. Truth is both parties are basically the same. We were discussing the possibility of Obama getting elected, and an old lady at the post office once said, "what's the difference, one group of thieves leaves and another replaces them". How true. I suppose that's why the "non establishment" candidates have so much traction this year. People are sick and tired of being bullshitted.
Yes both parties are to blame, but not every individual candidate is equally culpable.

Bernie Sanders, Ted Cruz, Donald Trump and Ben Carson are running to end the corruption and I trust that they mean it.
 
We have a political system that is broken, subverted by corporate money and that no longer listens to the American people. We have millions of American citizens looking for jobs and cant get any, while our politicians still let in hundreds of thousands of cheap foreign laborers that take our jobs and let currently hired Americans get fired and compelled to train their foreign replacements. This is in direct violation of what the guest worker programs were intended for and they are so heavily abused that I am in favor of simply dismantling those programs across the board until every American that wants a job can get one. Fuck the corporations that would rather hire some liar from Hyderabad and leave American veterans unemployed or even living on the streets homeless.

While more and more Americans were getting sloughed off the tally of 'employable Americans looking for work' so that Obama's Dhimmicrats could brag about lowering the Unemployment Rate, the feds were buying worthless securities from the major Wall Street banks that couldnt get rid of them. Oh yes, and the federal Reserve paid the Wall Street banks FACE VALUE for those equities. That is like me buying your old busted up truck that doesnt run anymore at the same price you bought it at brand new. That is the kind of thing only a crook would do as some sort of quid-pro-quo, not even the biggest idiot businessman would do something like that. And the total tally for this program, known as 'Quantitative Easing' was $4 TRILLION, that is right FOUR TRILLION US DOLLARS. The biggest robbery of the US government and this nation that it has ever seen.

My own experience that led me to think that I would put up with all of Sanders social issues fails is that these issues are not as important as my pocket book concerns because the GOP is not going to ever change any of this anyway. I worked from the day I turned 14 years old as a bus boy at a local restaurant and that does not include all the yards I mowed, garages I painted, fences I built prior to that. I love to work and a big slice of my self image has been built around my ability and readiness to get and hold a job.

But now I cannot get a job. I am 58 years old, I am coming off two years of disability, and I cannot even get an interview. Just called a former boss, who had given me several ataboys and a little statue, lol, to show their appreciation to me, and he has not yet returned my phone call. (Edit: he just called me about 30 minutes after I posted, lol) The glut of guest workers is so high that corporations do not have a single reason to give someone like me a shot at a job or even an interview.

So if this is how it is under corporate rule, I know I much prefer living under a barely functioning Sanders version of socialism instead. I gave the GOP decades of loyalty and all I got from them were broken promises, lies and smoke blown up my ass.

Since when did being a 'conservative' mean that you turned a blind eye to the plight of unfortunate fellow American veterans? I did not cause my two slipped discs, nor the idiocy of my doctor who failed to get me the MRIs I should have had from day One, nor why the moron took me off my disability even though my physical condition had only worsened until I healed up from my surgery from last September. And while I am ready and anxious to get back to my career, I dont have the opportunity because GOP RINOs have helped Obama to flood the country with guest workers. That is my fault? And yet I have no Unemployment, no welfare or help of any kind from the government; I have totally fallen through the cracks of the so-called 'Social Safety Net'.

There are many legitimate criticisms of Bernie Sanders but he has this going for him; he is an honest man of integrity who will place the highest priority to removing undo corporate influence from our political system and getting Americans back to work.

I am all for it despite the wacko-libtard social baggage that comes with it.


And the 18 Trillion extra in taxes over ten years in Bernie's programs?
Then we won't have any of these issues to fight over if that happens, because we would not be able to pay the interest on our Debt we will go bankrupt.
We can't afford bigger Government Jim we need to get the 19 Trillion we have now paid off not add more debt.
 
Socialist policies prolonged it. It wasn't until the socialist policies and 1 million working age makes were removed, that the economy recovered.
Prove that socialist policies prolonged it.

My God, that is like saying that chemo prolongs cancer because it fails to completely rid the body of it fast enough.

Prove they didn't. Leftists swear up-n-down that WW2 ended the depression, not socialist policies.

How have socialist policies helped the stock market in recent years?

You mean other than putting trillions of US dollars into the stock market through QE? I think it saved those markets, though it likely created unseen deeper problems for the future to resolve, classic kicking the can down the road.

And I dont have to prove that your contention is false if you fail to provide any evidence FOR it to begin with. Where did FDR's economic policies fail?

January 2016 marked the worst start in the history of the stock market. Not something to brag about.
 
Since when did being a 'conservative' mean that you turned a blind eye to the plight of unfortunate fellow American veterans? ...I have no Unemployment, no welfare or help of any kind from the government; I have totally fallen through the cracks of the so-called 'Social Safety Net'.
I wish you the best, man.

The conservative movement has done this to itself. It kneejerks away from all things government, making it easy for the Left to point at them and say they're heartless.

Their anger & frustration over not getting their way has clouded their judgement and distorted their behavior, and they don't see it. They're speeding their own demise.
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Socialism will not create jobs it will destroy them and make more people dependable on the govt., and will destroy entrepreneurship and innovation, and at some point the country will go bankrupt and we will be begging the Chinese, Germans, or Arabs for money. Sanders talks very casually but his ideas if implemented will mean the end of America as we know it. This experiment has been tried and failed many times before. "Change" is not necessary good it can actually be much worse.
 
OK, how did socialism fail in Germany from Bismark to the present?

ROFL;

To claim that Bismark was a socialist is one of the more stupid things I have heard. You really have become a lefty.

Bismark instituted public pensions to stave off the Socialist, who he bitterly opposed.

How did it fail under FDR to LBJ?

How did socialist practices fail the First Century Christian church?

Which industries did the government own under FDR and LBJ? You claim that the government owned or controlled the means of production (the definition of socialism) so please provide examples?
 
Lemme explain how this "stealing" and influence peddling actually works.

You are busting butt to offer a purer, higher quality chicken patty. And you're getting killed by the Jolly Green Giant
because the Dept of Ag has ALLOWED that "white meat chicken" may contain up to 10% dark meat and include certain amounts of fillers. Where the fuck did THAT come from? The Giant can sell that "all white meat chicken" for less than it takes you to make yours.. Well -- the Jolly Giant -- went to Washington and helped WRITE the specification for "White Meat Chicken".. ...................... and that's NOT a POWER issue on the part of Big Govt?

Same deal with "organic" content or the size of "frozen green peas".. The power is there to STEAL. and use against your competition. It is better left in the hands of INDEPENDENT evaluators to CERTIFY these things. That way -- you can FIRE them or ignore them if they are not honest..
Not sure this was directed towards, but I agree with you here.

But in the IMMEDIATE FUTURE, many in the middle class need help and to end the guest worker programs, a form of corporate welfare that should be brought to a hard halt.

That IS another form of "corporate welfare".. If had an adequate LEGAL immigration policy -- we wouldn't need a guest worker program. In the past -- that used to be SEASONAL workers who returned to their home countries. But the effect of "guest worker" status definitions was to make them indistinguishable from green cards.
 
I feel the same way, lets all be poor together. Cruz wants to let more H1B visas in.

That is a direct lie.

I assume that over there in Iran you simply don't grasp that Cruz and Rubio are distinctly different candidates.

But what you claim is a lie. Cruz opposes the H1B rape of educated Americans.

The rest are owned by big money, and Sanders voted no to the Iraq War, and I can only hope he can keep us out of war with Iran.

You believe he will surrender to you?

Yes I realize Rubio was lying , I guess to put it more pilot would be stretching the truth, but yes they are both owned by rich jews who cater to Israel. Do away with the Epa, deny pollution, get rid of ACA, then start with Medicare and SS. Take money form the SS fund and give it to Israel and its neighbors to play nice with Israel. Take money from SS fund and Medicare and put it into the military and war. Time to end this rotten mess. We do not need to be the powerhouse of the globe, but we need to be a powerhouse onto ourselves and our society and infrastructure all is in need of dyer repair. The rich elites, if they want to live here and pay higher taxes fine, otherwise move to Africa.

Gee whiz -- off-topic -- but I thought ALL Jews were socialists and commie agitators, not Tea Party members..

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

They are likely to vote for ANY warm body with a "D" after their name --- right? The same party that had a pissing match at their last national convention over removing statements about God and Jerusalem from the platform??

What part of Bernie's support do you suppose the "jewish puppetmasters" approve of??

I don't know if you are American -- but our current problems are 1000 times larger than arguing over pennies in foreign aid to the Middle East right now..
 
I feel for ya. Truth is both parties are basically the same. We were discussing the possibility of Obama getting elected, and an old lady at the post office once said, "what's the difference, one group of thieves leaves and another replaces them". How true. I suppose that's why the "non establishment" candidates have so much traction this year. People are sick and tired of being bullshitted.
Yes both parties are to blame, but not every individual candidate is equally culpable.

Bernie Sanders, Ted Cruz, Donald Trump and Ben Carson are running to end the corruption and I trust that they mean it.

One thing I don't like about Sanders is the constant demonization of "the wealthy" as if the wealthy are responsible for all that is bad. We had eight years of divisive politics and it got us nowhere. I have seen two presidents bring about the greatest change for the good of the country, Reagan and Clinton, and both did it not by demonizing and dividing but by uniting the country and doing what's best for the people, including compromising with the opposing side.
 
January 2016 marked the worst start in the history of the stock market. Not something to brag about.

More importantly, it marked the first quarter since Obama took office that the Fed did not openly subsidize the big players, particularly Goldman Sachs. It shows that the market is not healthy and cannot sustain without hundreds of billions of public money going to private companies. What happened to all the Toxic mortgage backed securities? Bernanke and Yellen used taxpayer money (in the form of debt) to buy them off.

We got ass fucked, to be sure, But Mao Tse Sanders is pouring gasoline on the fire, it sure isn't going to help.
 
Another unsupported talking point.

I gave you three examples where it did in fact work; Bismarks Germany, FDRs USA and the first century Roman Empire Christian Church.

Where did they fail?

Soviet Union
Yugoslavia
China
Bulgaria
Poland
Cuba
Germany
Venezuela
Czechoslovakia

Should I continue?
That does not show me where Bismark's Germany, FDR's USA or the first century church failed.

Where did those three fail?

Ever hear of The Great Depression? How long did it last, under socialist policies?

Of course I heard of the Great Depression but it was not started under socialism, quite the opposite.

And that has nothing to do with the other two examples I gave you anyway; what about the first century church and Bismark's Germany?

Socialist policies prolonged it. It wasn't until the socialist policies and 1 million working age makes were removed, that the economy recovered.



I feel the same way, lets all be poor together. Cruz wants to let more H1B visas in.

That is a direct lie.

I assume that over there in Iran you simply don't grasp that Cruz and Rubio are distinctly different candidates.

But what you claim is a lie. Cruz opposes the H1B rape of educated Americans.

The rest are owned by big money, and Sanders voted no to the Iraq War, and I can only hope he can keep us out of war with Iran.

You believe he will surrender to you?

Yes I realize Rubio was lying , I guess to put it more pilot would be stretching the truth, but yes they are both owned by rich jews who cater to Israel. Do away with the Epa, deny pollution, get rid of ACA, then start with Medicare and SS. Take money form the SS fund and give it to Israel and its neighbors to play nice with Israel. Take money from SS fund and Medicare and put it into the military and war. Time to end this rotten mess. We do not need to be the powerhouse of the globe, but we need to be a powerhouse onto ourselves and our society and infrastructure all is in need of dyer repair. The rich elites, if they want to live here and pay higher taxes fine, otherwise move to Africa.

Gee whiz -- off-topic -- but I thought ALL Jews were socialists and commie agitators, not Tea Party members..

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

They are likely to vote for ANY warm body with a "D" after their name --- right? The same party that had a pissing match at their last national convention over removing statements about God and Jerusalem from the platform??

What part of Bernie's support do you suppose the "jewish puppetmasters" approve of??

I don't know if you are American -- but our current problems are 1000 times larger than arguing over pennies in foreign aid to the Middle East right now..

but I thought ALL Jews were socialists and commie agitators, not Tea Party members..

Oh there are some who are not , the tea party members like money and need it, it doesn't matter where it comes from. One would never hear a politicians who wants to be someone speak ill or against Israel, and you know it. Rather like Donald Trump, hauling his Bible out to show the evangelicals, what a hoot.
 
We have a political system that is broken, subverted by corporate money and that no longer listens to the American people. We have millions of American citizens looking for jobs and cant get any, while our politicians still let in hundreds of thousands of cheap foreign laborers that take our jobs and let currently hired Americans get fired and compelled to train their foreign replacements. This is in direct violation of what the guest worker programs were intended for and they are so heavily abused that I am in favor of simply dismantling those programs across the board until every American that wants a job can get one. Fuck the corporations that would rather hire some liar from Hyderabad and leave American veterans unemployed or even living on the streets homeless.

While more and more Americans were getting sloughed off the tally of 'employable Americans looking for work' so that Obama's Dhimmicrats could brag about lowering the Unemployment Rate, the feds were buying worthless securities from the major Wall Street banks that couldnt get rid of them. Oh yes, and the federal Reserve paid the Wall Street banks FACE VALUE for those equities. That is like me buying your old busted up truck that doesnt run anymore at the same price you bought it at brand new. That is the kind of thing only a crook would do as some sort of quid-pro-quo, not even the biggest idiot businessman would do something like that. And the total tally for this program, known as 'Quantitative Easing' was $4 TRILLION, that is right FOUR TRILLION US DOLLARS. The biggest robbery of the US government and this nation that it has ever seen.

My own experience that led me to think that I would put up with all of Sanders social issues fails is that these issues are not as important as my pocket book concerns because the GOP is not going to ever change any of this anyway. I worked from the day I turned 14 years old as a bus boy at a local restaurant and that does not include all the yards I mowed, garages I painted, fences I built prior to that. I love to work and a big slice of my self image has been built around my ability and readiness to get and hold a job.

But now I cannot get a job. I am 58 years old, I am coming off two years of disability, and I cannot even get an interview. Just called a former boss, who had given me several ataboys and a little statue, lol, to show their appreciation to me, and he has not yet returned my phone call. (Edit: he just called me about 30 minutes after I posted, lol) The glut of guest workers is so high that corporations do not have a single reason to give someone like me a shot at a job or even an interview.

So if this is how it is under corporate rule, I know I much prefer living under a barely functioning Sanders version of socialism instead. I gave the GOP decades of loyalty and all I got from them were broken promises, lies and smoke blown up my ass.

Since when did being a 'conservative' mean that you turned a blind eye to the plight of unfortunate fellow American veterans? I did not cause my two slipped discs, nor the idiocy of my doctor who failed to get me the MRIs I should have had from day One, nor why the moron took me off my disability even though my physical condition had only worsened until I healed up from my surgery from last September. And while I am ready and anxious to get back to my career, I dont have the opportunity because GOP RINOs have helped Obama to flood the country with guest workers. That is my fault? And yet I have no Unemployment, no welfare or help of any kind from the government; I have totally fallen through the cracks of the so-called 'Social Safety Net'.

There are many legitimate criticisms of Bernie Sanders but he has this going for him; he is an honest man of integrity who will place the highest priority to removing undo corporate influence from our political system and getting Americans back to work.

I am all for it despite the wacko-libtard social baggage that comes with it.
Good luck, Jim! There are a lot of employers out there looking for people with maturity, experience and a strong work ethic. You'll find one.
 

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