This Is Why We Can't Explain The Facts To Liberals

[Rigby5]

The ones who leave their family behind are the fortunate of them all. Girls and women usually get raped along the way multiple times before getting here, and multiple times on the way back after they are refused asylum.

They should not be refused asylum because the ones that bring their families are not trying to get here over the money, but because the US has armed violent dictators who are murdering people, and decent people try to escape them.
It is illegal for the US to arm these dictators, and illegal to refuse the victims asylum.
Such as in Costa Rico, Honduras, Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Peru, etc.
The School of the America's at Ft. Bennings should be shut down.

 

[Rigby5]

“Whether it's by crossing the U.S. border with a "coyote" or buying a fake U.S. passport, a foreign national who enters the U.S. illegally can be both convicted of a crime and held responsible for a civil violation under the U.S. immigration laws. Illegal entry also carries consequences for anyone who might later attempt to apply for a green card or other immigration benefit.

The penalties and consequences get progressively more severe if a person enters the United States illegally more than once, or enters illegally after a final order of removal(deportation) or after having been convicted of an aggravated felony.”

Is It a Crime to Enter the U.S. Illegally?

Illegal entry (or "improper entry") to the US carries criminal penalties (fines and jail or prison time), in addition to civil penalties and immigration consequences

www.alllaw.com

Wrong.
Crossing the border is NOT a crime and never can be.
Fake documentation is something else entirely, and is a deliberate crime.
The fact the US illegally tries to prevent border crossing, just makes the police criminals.

 

[j-mac]

Yes DHS is lying about everything, and should not even exist.

Most people who are caught in the US after improper immigration ARE sent back after processing when caught.
Only those applying for asylum are not.
And they can not legally be separated.
They did not try to sneak in, but deliberately turned themselves in, for asylum processing.
And yet we are illegally separating families.

So, you don’t believe borders are legal. Let me ask, should the US exist?

 

[j-mac]

Wrong.
Crossing the border is NOT a crime and never can be.
Fake documentation is something else entirely, and is a deliberate crime.
The fact the US illegally tries to prevent border crossing, just makes the police criminals.

You are misinformed…I gave you a link to the law…

 

[JohnDB]

Well the democrats seem to have trouble with definitions for the last 20 years or more.

Bill Clinton has issues with the definition of "is".
Then the latest Supreme Court nomination has issues with the definition of "woman "

Good and bad are way too difficult a concept if they can't handle "girl " and "is".

 

[Rigby5]

So, you don’t believe borders are legal. Let me ask, should the US exist?

Never said borders are not legal, but that the US is not the valid holder of the borders the US tries control.
The natives who were here first, are.
And the states we bought from the natives have treaties specifically prohibiting us from preventing native passage across our borders.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Wrong.
Crossing the border is NOT a crime and never can be.
Fake documentation is something else entirely, and is a deliberate crime.
The fact the US illegally tries to prevent border crossing, just makes the police criminals.

The world population is 7.5 billion people. How many do you want to let in? Because according to the BP, they are capturing illegals from over 110 different countries around the world.

 

[Rigby5]

You are misinformed…I gave you a link to the law…

You are wrong.
First of all you are confusing the 3 different groups of people.
Those who just cross to earn an income, those seeking asylum, and those intent on criminal fraud for some nefarious purpose.
Second is that those crossing the border are not treated as criminals, or else they would be due proper legal representation, at our expense.

 

[j-mac]

Never said borders are not legal, but that the US is not the valid holder of the borders the US tries control.
The natives who were here first, are.
And the states we bought from the natives have treaties specifically prohibiting us from preventing native passage across our borders.

So, answer my question then…Should the US exist?

 

[j-mac]

You are wrong.
First of all you are confusing the 3 different groups of people.
Those who just cross to earn an income, those seeking asylum, and those intent on criminal fraud for some nefarious purpose.
Second is that those crossing the border are not treated as criminals, or else they would be due proper legal representation, at our expense.

You just said borders are legal, so enforcing them is by proxy also legal.

 

[Rigby5]

Well the democrats seem to have trouble with definitions for the last 20 years or more.

Bill Clinton has issues with the definition of "is".
Then the latest Supreme Court nomination has issues with the definition of "woman "

Good and bad are way too difficult a concept if they can't handle "girl " and "is".

Wrong.
Clinton got the prosecutor to define sex as vaginal, so then Clinton did not lie when he testified he did not have sex with Lewinsky then.
And there is a myriad of complexity as to what a female is.
Anyone who does not know that, knows nothing about biology.
For example, while chromosome normally blueprint the body to produce a majority of either testosterone or estrogen, artificial chemicals, like pesticides can completely over ride the DNA.

 

[Rigby5]

The world population is 7.5 billion people. How many do you want to let in? Because according to the BP, they are capturing illegals from over 110 different countries around the world.

Almost no one WANTS to leave where they are born and comfortable, so what we need to do is stop arming dictators, so that they won't need to leave their home country.

 

[Rigby5]

So, answer my question then…Should the US exist?

That is irrelevant.
The US already exists, so we have to deal with that reality, and compromise with the natives who have superior rights because they were here first.

 

[Rigby5]

You just said borders are legal, so enforcing them is by proxy also legal.

Enforcing borders can be legal, but not when doing so is in violation of treaties or pre-existing rights of natives.
And sealing the border to the south violates both of those.

 

[j-mac]

That is irrelevant.
The US already exists, so we have to deal with that reality, and compromise with the natives who have superior rights because they were here first.

It’s not irrelevant…answer the question.

 

[j-mac]

Enforcing borders can be legal, but not when doing so is in violation of treaties or pre-existing rights of natives.
And sealing the border to the south violates both of those.

So, you support Aztlan?

 

[JohnDB]

Wrong.
Clinton got the prosecutor to define sex as vaginal, so then Clinton did not lie when he testified he did not have sex with Lewinsky then.
And there is a myriad of complexity as to what a female is.
Anyone who does not know that, knows nothing about biology.
For example, while chromosome normally blueprint the body to produce a majority of either testosterone or estrogen, artificial chemicals, like pesticides can completely over ride the DNA.

When you torture simple questions that have simple answers with more torture...

You are an idiot.

If you take a fool and educate him you just end up with an educated fool.

 

[Turtlesoup]

They should not be refused asylum because the ones that bring their families are not trying to get here over the money, but because the US has armed violent dictators who are murdering people, and decent people try to escape them.
It is illegal for the US to arm these dictators, and illegal to refuse the victims asylum.
Such as in Costa Rico, Honduras, Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Peru, etc.
The School of the America's at Ft. Bennings should be shut down.

The Illegals come here for the welfare------they need to stay in their on nations and clean them up----

 

[Cecilie1200]

That and they have to be separated while any documents can be examined to determine if it's actually their parents or they're just renting kids so they'll get a free pass or, to determine if the supposed parents are just traffickers.

Our local BP caught several doing the same thing with multiple kids over the course of a few weeks.

The saddest part of it is how many of these kids and young women being trafficked are being so for the purposes of turning them into sex slaves.

At one point last year over half the women when interviewed said they'd been raped multiple times by the traffickers on the way up from the Triangle.

It's also possible the kids themselves, if they're old enough, will tell us the truth if their abusers aren't present. They're afraid to while the abuser is in the room.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Horse hockey, there's nothing at all illegal about it, we separate kids from parents going into custody for long or short terms every day.

You don't need them together while you wait on results from a DNA test, what you do need to do is protect those children while you wait for the results.

It's standard practice to separate children from parents and guardians who are suspected of abusing the child while we determine whether or not it's true, as well. And that's exactly what we're doing here, in many cases.