This is why we must abandon our fight with muslims.....

[aris2chat]

U.N. report: Syria's Assad guilty of 'inhuman' crimes, gruesome torture, deaths

 

[StLucieBengal]

U.N. report: Syria's Assad guilty of 'inhuman' crimes, gruesome torture, deaths

1. It's the UN and we have seen how they can be on these matters. But let's go with your concerns here .... I don't think anyone has stated that Assad is free and clear of shenanigans. He obviously has done a lot of bad things ...

But might I remind you of a few things ...

1. He is a secular leader.

2. We have seen what happens in the Middle East when we overthrow secular dictators and let them "elect" leaders .... They always choose terrorists or descendants of the Third Reich.

3. And do we really want to be Saudi Arabia's enforcer just so they can force a pipeline through Syria? Is all the deaths at the hands of lslamic leaders really worth Saudi Arabia's pipeline to save their economy?

Sorry but nothing has shown me that overthrowing a secular dictator in the Middle East is a positive move. These people can't be trusted to vote because they always choose the crazy people and once the crazies get in they slaughter Christians and rape their children.

 

[StLucieBengal]

To add to to the above post.

I do sympathize with the people suffering but until they evolve and learn to live in a western way then there is not much we can do for them other than support a secular dictator who will at least keep the peace between religions.

I would stay out of their conflict and let the Russians and Syrians battle it out with the Rebels. Once we stop funding the rebels they would die quickly and just maybe we would cut off resources to Isis since they are getting them via the Syrian "rebels"

 

[aris2chat]

refute claims? If anything my numbers are under estimates or figures from months and weeks ago.
You think everything that comes out of syria is CGI and life is beautiful there? You think everyone is lying about what I happening to them andaround them?
If you want to use twitter, facebook, etc. there are lot of sources to compare from across the country. Add up the numbers. Look at the images. Compare them to news agencies from around the world coming out of there. Books, documents, official reports.............

Find them in a number of languages not just arabic, french or english.

Syrian and Russian forces targeting hospitals as a strategy of war ...
https://www.amnesty.org/.../syrian-and-russian-forces-targeting-...
Amnesty International
Mar 3, 2016 - Russian and Syrian government forces appear to have deliberately and ... facilities in various parts of Syria which amounts to war crimes.
Russia committing war crimes by deliberately bombing civilians and ...
www.independent.co.uk › News › World › Middle East
The Independent
Feb 21, 2016 - Russia is guilty of committing some of the most "egregious" war crimes seen in decades, Amnesty International has claimed. ... The rubble of a hospital destroyed in Syria's northern province of Idlib in suspected Russian air ...
US House panel wants to try Assad, Russia, Iran for 'war crimes' in ...
US House panel wants to try Assad, Russia, Iran for ‘war crimes’ in Syriasyria-war-crimes-panel/
RT
Mar 3, 2016 - The US House Foreign Affairs Committee has passed a resolution accusing the Syriangovernment, Russia and Iran of war crimes and calling ...
Russia Guilty Of Syria War Crimes, Says Amnesty - Sky News
news.sky.com/.../russia-guilty-of-syria-war-crimes-says-amnesty-10175805
Sky News
Feb 22, 2016 - Russia Guilty Of Syria War Crimes, Says Amnesty. Moscow denies it is hitting civilian areas - but rescue workers, and footage obtained by Sky ...
Vladimir Putin's 'war crimes' in Syria kept in Britain's secret dossier by ...
www.dailymail.co.uk/.../Britain-s-secret-dossier-Putin-s-war-crimes-Syria-doct...
Daily Mail
Mar 5, 2016 - MI6 and British police are investigating alleged attacks on civilians by Russian warplanes in Syria – with a view to prosecuting President ...
Syria 2015/2016 | Amnesty International
https://www.amnesty.org/en/countries/.../syria/report-syria/
Amnesty International
Government forces carried out indiscriminate attacks and attacks that directly targeted civilians, including bombardment of civilian residential areas and medical ...
Syria: Spate of Bombings Appear to Target Civilians | Human Rights ...
https://www.hrw.org/.../syria-spate-bombings-appear-target-civil...
Human Rights Watch
May 23, 2016 - (New York) – A series of car bombings and suicide attacks targeting civilian bus stations and a hospital in Syrian government-controlled areas ...
Syria - World Report 2016: Syria | Human Rights Watch
https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2016/country-chapters/syria
Human Rights Watch
ISIS also deliberately targeted civilians in a June 2015 attack on the northern Syrian city of Kobani (Ain al-Arab in Arabic) killing between 233 and 262 civilians.
Russian Airstrikes 'Targeted Civilian Infrastructure' in Syria and Killed ...
https://news.vice.com/.../russian-airstrikes-targeted-civilian-infrastructure-in-syria...
Vice
Mar 29, 2016 - The opening phase of Russia's bombing campaign in Syria killed at least 1,096civilians and targeted almost every type of infrastructure ...
Syria | Civilians in Conflict - Center for Civilians in Conflict
civiliansinconflict.org › Our Work › Countries
Center for Civilians in Conflict
As the war in Syria enters its fifth year, civilians continue to suffer from extreme violence--much of it directly targeting civilians. Syrian civilians are caught from all ...
Civilian deaths mount after Syrian regime loses ground - News from Al ...
www.aljazeera.com/.../civilian-deaths-mount-syrian-regime-loses-ground-1...
Al Jazeera
14 hours ago - Aleppo faces intensified aerial bombardment after Syrian regime and ... "Russia and theSyrian regime have been targeting civilians and ...
Russia, Syria violated international law by dropping incendiary ...
Washington Post: Breaking News, World, US, DC News & Analysisnews/.../russia-syria-violated-inter...
The Washington Post
6 days ago - The Human Rights Watch report accuses the joint Syrian-Russian air ... The presence of incendiary weapons in the Syrian conflict is not new.
Russia News, Pictures and Videos on the Syria Bombings | Daily Mail ...
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/russia/index.html
Daily Mail
See Breaking News from Russia with the Latest on Turkey, Airstrikes in Syria ... of a complex 2012 scientific article (inset) claiming the invention of a new device.
>>MOSCOW, August 19. /TASS/. The cessation of hostilities regime has been observed in most Syrian provinces over the past 24 hours, eight violations have been registered in Damascus and Latakia provinces, the Russian Center for reconciliation of the warring parties has in a news bulletin posted on the Russian Defense Ministry’s website on Friday.<< TASS




It is out there if you bother to care and actually want to know

Global organizations, international and foreign affairs political and informational groups, NGOs................

Try a library or buy books and read more. Download offical reports

Armed Conflict in Syria: Overview and U.S. Response
https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RL33487.pdf
Federation of American Scientists
by CE Humud - ‎2015
Oct 9, 2015 - in Syria, and is raising new questions about the future of the conflict and U.S. ... ReportR43727, Train and Equip Program for Syria: Authorities, ...
[PDF]Counting Casualties in Syria and Iraq: Process and Challenges
https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/IN10474.pdf
Federation of American Scientists
Apr 12, 2016 - publications report on Syria's economy and socioeconomic impacts of the crisis, using information from official institutions, U.N. agencies, and ...
[PDF]Syria crisis - Europa.eu
https://ec.europa.eu/echo/files/aid/countries/factsheets/syria_en.pdf
Europa
ECHO Factsheet – Syria crisis – May 2016 ... are continuous reports on the removal of medicines and medical supplies from aid convoys and ... In Lebanon, where there are no official camps, many refugees live in sub-standard shelter such as.
[PDF]syria 2014 human rights report - US Department of State
www.state.gov/documents/organization/236834.pdf
United States Department of State
SYRIA. 2. Country Reports on Human Rights Practices for 2014. United States Department of State • Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights and Labor areas of ...
[PDF]violations against women in syria and the disproportionate impact of ...
wilpf.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/.../WILPF_VAW_HC-2016_WEB-ONEPAGE.pd...
Universal Periodic Review of the Syrian Arab Republic submission to the ... This report is a joint submission by the following organisations: .... providing official statistics on the ......pdf/arabic/At_least_17318_explosive_barrels_in_2015.pdf.
[PDF]Under Siege (PDF) - Unicef
www.unicef.org/publications/files/Under_Siege_March_2014.pdf
UNICEF
Syrian children now see their future besieged by war. It is estimated there are up ... This report takes stock of the impact that three years of violence and rights .... imply official endorsement or acceptance by the United Nations. * Some names in ...
[PDF]Failure to Protect: Syria and the UN Security Council [PDF]
www.globalr2p.org/media/files/syriapaper_final.pdf
used on this map do not imply official endorsement or acceptance by the .... of people into misery. According to an April 2014 report on Syria's war economy,.
[PDF]Open wounds Torture and ill-treatment in the Syrian Arab ... - ohchr
www.ohchr.org/.../PaperOnT...
Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for H...
Apr 14, 2014 - and makeshift detention facilities throughout the Syrian Arab Republic (Syria). ... checkpoints, before being transferred to one of dozens of official or secret .... by opposition armed groups, but reports received by OHCHR ...

There is disinformation out there but if you read enough you will learn which sites to stay away from. If you know enough about syria and the middle east you find when sites are full of BS.

 

[aris2chat]

names of syrians is up to #878: Mohammed Salem Al-Ajouz, a man from Zamalka, Damascus Suburbs, gassed to death on 8/21/2013

Sourced by whom?

Counting the lost, one by one, in Syria's Book of the Dead
100,000 Syrian Names in Jon Stewart’s Hands
A Book of Syria's Dead

it is now being quoted one name at a time online

I've been getting messages all day long. These are civilians, not rebels.

They will be at it for days, reminding people of the costs in syria

Did you just post a link with Jon Stewart the comedian?

Come on man. If you want to play along with the ruse then at least have legitimate information by sources who are transparent.

He does interviews and news as well

 

[StLucieBengal]

names of syrians is up to #878: Mohammed Salem Al-Ajouz, a man from Zamalka, Damascus Suburbs, gassed to death on 8/21/2013

Sourced by whom?

Counting the lost, one by one, in Syria's Book of the Dead
100,000 Syrian Names in Jon Stewart’s Hands
A Book of Syria's Dead

it is now being quoted one name at a time online

I've been getting messages all day long. These are civilians, not rebels.

They will be at it for days, reminding people of the costs in syria

Did you just post a link with Jon Stewart the comedian?

Come on man. If you want to play along with the ruse then at least have legitimate information by sources who are transparent.

He does interviews and news as well

The fact you consider Jon Stewart "news" tells us all we need to know.

 

[StLucieBengal]

refute claims? If anything my numbers are under estimates or figures from months and weeks ago.
You think everything that comes out of syria is CGI and life is beautiful there? You think everyone is lying about what I happening to them andaround them?
If you want to use twitter, facebook, etc. there are lot of sources to compare from across the country. Add up the numbers. Look at the images. Compare them to news agencies from around the world coming out of there. Books, documents, official reports.............

Find them in a number of languages not just arabic, french or english.

Syrian and Russian forces targeting hospitals as a strategy of war ...
https://www.amnesty.org/.../syrian-and-russian-forces-targeting-...
Amnesty International
Mar 3, 2016 - Russian and Syrian government forces appear to have deliberately and ... facilities in various parts of Syria which amounts to war crimes.
Russia committing war crimes by deliberately bombing civilians and ...
www.independent.co.uk › News › World › Middle East
The Independent
Feb 21, 2016 - Russia is guilty of committing some of the most "egregious" war crimes seen in decades, Amnesty International has claimed. ... The rubble of a hospital destroyed in Syria's northern province of Idlib in suspected Russian air ...
US House panel wants to try Assad, Russia, Iran for 'war crimes' in ...
US House panel wants to try Assad, Russia, Iran for ‘war crimes’ in Syriasyria-war-crimes-panel/
RT
Mar 3, 2016 - The US House Foreign Affairs Committee has passed a resolution accusing the Syriangovernment, Russia and Iran of war crimes and calling ...
Russia Guilty Of Syria War Crimes, Says Amnesty - Sky News
news.sky.com/.../russia-guilty-of-syria-war-crimes-says-amnesty-10175805
Sky News
Feb 22, 2016 - Russia Guilty Of Syria War Crimes, Says Amnesty. Moscow denies it is hitting civilian areas - but rescue workers, and footage obtained by Sky ...
Vladimir Putin's 'war crimes' in Syria kept in Britain's secret dossier by ...
www.dailymail.co.uk/.../Britain-s-secret-dossier-Putin-s-war-crimes-Syria-doct...
Daily Mail
Mar 5, 2016 - MI6 and British police are investigating alleged attacks on civilians by Russian warplanes in Syria – with a view to prosecuting President ...
Syria 2015/2016 | Amnesty International
https://www.amnesty.org/en/countries/.../syria/report-syria/
Amnesty International
Government forces carried out indiscriminate attacks and attacks that directly targeted civilians, including bombardment of civilian residential areas and medical ...
Syria: Spate of Bombings Appear to Target Civilians | Human Rights ...
https://www.hrw.org/.../syria-spate-bombings-appear-target-civil...
Human Rights Watch
May 23, 2016 - (New York) – A series of car bombings and suicide attacks targeting civilian bus stations and a hospital in Syrian government-controlled areas ...
Syria - World Report 2016: Syria | Human Rights Watch
https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2016/country-chapters/syria
Human Rights Watch
ISIS also deliberately targeted civilians in a June 2015 attack on the northern Syrian city of Kobani (Ain al-Arab in Arabic) killing between 233 and 262 civilians.
Russian Airstrikes 'Targeted Civilian Infrastructure' in Syria and Killed ...
https://news.vice.com/.../russian-airstrikes-targeted-civilian-infrastructure-in-syria...
Vice
Mar 29, 2016 - The opening phase of Russia's bombing campaign in Syria killed at least 1,096civilians and targeted almost every type of infrastructure ...
Syria | Civilians in Conflict - Center for Civilians in Conflict
civiliansinconflict.org › Our Work › Countries
Center for Civilians in Conflict
As the war in Syria enters its fifth year, civilians continue to suffer from extreme violence--much of it directly targeting civilians. Syrian civilians are caught from all ...
Civilian deaths mount after Syrian regime loses ground - News from Al ...
www.aljazeera.com/.../civilian-deaths-mount-syrian-regime-loses-ground-1...
Al Jazeera
14 hours ago - Aleppo faces intensified aerial bombardment after Syrian regime and ... "Russia and theSyrian regime have been targeting civilians and ...
Russia, Syria violated international law by dropping incendiary ...
Washington Post: Breaking News, World, US, DC News & Analysisnews/.../russia-syria-violated-inter...
The Washington Post
6 days ago - The Human Rights Watch report accuses the joint Syrian-Russian air ... The presence of incendiary weapons in the Syrian conflict is not new.
Russia News, Pictures and Videos on the Syria Bombings | Daily Mail ...
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/russia/index.html
Daily Mail
See Breaking News from Russia with the Latest on Turkey, Airstrikes in Syria ... of a complex 2012 scientific article (inset) claiming the invention of a new device.
>>MOSCOW, August 19. /TASS/. The cessation of hostilities regime has been observed in most Syrian provinces over the past 24 hours, eight violations have been registered in Damascus and Latakia provinces, the Russian Center for reconciliation of the warring parties has in a news bulletin posted on the Russian Defense Ministry’s website on Friday.<< TASS




It is out there if you bother to care and actually want to know

Global organizations, international and foreign affairs political and informational groups, NGOs................

Try a library or buy books and read more. Download offical reports

Armed Conflict in Syria: Overview and U.S. Response
https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RL33487.pdf
Federation of American Scientists
by CE Humud - ‎2015
Oct 9, 2015 - in Syria, and is raising new questions about the future of the conflict and U.S. ... ReportR43727, Train and Equip Program for Syria: Authorities, ...
[PDF]Counting Casualties in Syria and Iraq: Process and Challenges
https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/IN10474.pdf
Federation of American Scientists
Apr 12, 2016 - publications report on Syria's economy and socioeconomic impacts of the crisis, using information from official institutions, U.N. agencies, and ...
[PDF]Syria crisis - Europa.eu
https://ec.europa.eu/echo/files/aid/countries/factsheets/syria_en.pdf
Europa
ECHO Factsheet – Syria crisis – May 2016 ... are continuous reports on the removal of medicines and medical supplies from aid convoys and ... In Lebanon, where there are no official camps, many refugees live in sub-standard shelter such as.
[PDF]syria 2014 human rights report - US Department of State
www.state.gov/documents/organization/236834.pdf
United States Department of State
SYRIA. 2. Country Reports on Human Rights Practices for 2014. United States Department of State • Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights and Labor areas of ...
[PDF]violations against women in syria and the disproportionate impact of ...
wilpf.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/.../WILPF_VAW_HC-2016_WEB-ONEPAGE.pd...
Universal Periodic Review of the Syrian Arab Republic submission to the ... This report is a joint submission by the following organisations: .... providing official statistics on the ......pdf/arabic/At_least_17318_explosive_barrels_in_2015.pdf.
[PDF]Under Siege (PDF) - Unicef
www.unicef.org/publications/files/Under_Siege_March_2014.pdf
UNICEF
Syrian children now see their future besieged by war. It is estimated there are up ... This report takes stock of the impact that three years of violence and rights .... imply official endorsement or acceptance by the United Nations. * Some names in ...
[PDF]Failure to Protect: Syria and the UN Security Council [PDF]
www.globalr2p.org/media/files/syriapaper_final.pdf
used on this map do not imply official endorsement or acceptance by the .... of people into misery. According to an April 2014 report on Syria's war economy,.
[PDF]Open wounds Torture and ill-treatment in the Syrian Arab ... - ohchr
www.ohchr.org/.../PaperOnT...
Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for H...
Apr 14, 2014 - and makeshift detention facilities throughout the Syrian Arab Republic (Syria). ... checkpoints, before being transferred to one of dozens of official or secret .... by opposition armed groups, but reports received by OHCHR ...

There is disinformation out there but if you read enough you will learn which sites to stay away from. If you know enough about syria and the middle east you find when sites are full of BS.

You have yet to respond to my posts about why we are in Syria. How about instead of trying to tell me what a news hound Jon Stewart the comedian is and how some dude in his UK basement charts deaths.

Give me your opinion on the pipeline issue. Why should we be supporting a Saudi pipeline in Syria instead of letting Syrians decide for themselves?

Why should we be funding a Syrian coup over a pipeline?

 

[aris2chat]

To add to to the above post.

I do sympathize with the people suffering but until they evolve and learn to live in a western way then there is not much we can do for them other than support a secular dictator who will at least keep the peace between religions.

I would stay out of their conflict and let the Russians and Syrians battle it out with the Rebels. Once we stop funding the rebels they would die quickly and just maybe we would cut off resources to Isis since they are getting them via the Syrian "rebels"

Western way??? Why should dictators and oligarchs some 6,000+ miles away with very different cultures live in a "western way"? How are you going to make them?

What of the civilians, the ordinary people living under their rule? What of those who want democracy, free elections, plurality, multiculturalism who are trying to have a voice in the whole mess?

There is a lot more than some rebels going on over there.

It's local politics, religious conflicts, regional power and influence, global resources, nuclear trade and weapons, currency manipulation and theft................

and you though it was just a few rebels?

 

[StLucieBengal]

To add to to the above post.

I do sympathize with the people suffering but until they evolve and learn to live in a western way then there is not much we can do for them other than support a secular dictator who will at least keep the peace between religions.

I would stay out of their conflict and let the Russians and Syrians battle it out with the Rebels. Once we stop funding the rebels they would die quickly and just maybe we would cut off resources to Isis since they are getting them via the Syrian "rebels"

Western way??? Why should dictators and oligarchs some 6,000+ miles away with very different cultures live in a "western way"? How are you going to make them?

What of the civilians, the ordinary people living under their rule? What of those who want democracy, free elections, plurality, multiculturalism who are trying to have a voice in the whole mess?

There is a lot more than some rebels going on over there.

It's local politics, religious conflicts, regional power and influence, global resources, nuclear trade and weapons, currency manipulation and theft................

and you though it was just a few rebels?

So you were ok with the slaughter of Christians in Egypt when they had elections?

These people aren't ready to choose for themselves. They are too violent and unless they have someone with a boot on their throat they will resort to violence. Which is exactly why they shouldn't be allowed to invade Europe and the west. They aren't capable of living without violence.

 

[StLucieBengal]

Iran used to be a good place as well when they had a secular leader. Once we allowed them to get an Islamic leader they became a terrible place for violence and oppression.

Now we have given them a path to nukes.

 

[aris2chat]

U.N. report: Syria's Assad guilty of 'inhuman' crimes, gruesome torture, deaths

1. It's the UN and we have seen how they can be on these matters. But let's go with your concerns here .... I don't think anyone has stated that Assad is free and clear of shenanigans. He obviously has done a lot of bad things ...

But might I remind you of a few things ...

1. He is a secular leader.

2. We have seen what happens in the Middle East when we overthrow secular dictators and let them "elect" leaders .... They always choose terrorists or descendants of the Third Reich.

3. And do we really want to be Saudi Arabia's enforcer just so they can force a pipeline through Syria? Is all the deaths at the hands of lslamic leaders really worth Saudi Arabia's pipeline to save their economy?

Sorry but nothing has shown me that overthrowing a secular dictator in the Middle East is a positive move. These people can't be trusted to vote because they always choose the crazy people and once the crazies get in they slaughter Christians and rape their children.

Assad is an alawite leader. To say syria was secular is a lack of understanding of the balance and manipulation of the regime.

It was the people who protested his oppressions. Even much of the military sided against Assad and what he was doing to the people.

Qatar-turkey pipeline and iran-iraq-syria pipelines, no this about more than pipelines or inflating gas prices

Nor is this about Saudi and Iran, which would probably be one of your next excuses.

They all play a role, but this is about Assad and his family's abuses and grip on power. It is about the people of syria and their rights a humans. Now it is about peace in the region and diminishing the power of terrorism.

Complex mosaic of tiny that makes up an elaborate picture. It started as peaceful protest by the people that had been coming for decades. This goes back well before '82

 

[aris2chat]

To add to to the above post.

I do sympathize with the people suffering but until they evolve and learn to live in a western way then there is not much we can do for them other than support a secular dictator who will at least keep the peace between religions.

I would stay out of their conflict and let the Russians and Syrians battle it out with the Rebels. Once we stop funding the rebels they would die quickly and just maybe we would cut off resources to Isis since they are getting them via the Syrian "rebels"

Western way??? Why should dictators and oligarchs some 6,000+ miles away with very different cultures live in a "western way"? How are you going to make them?

What of the civilians, the ordinary people living under their rule? What of those who want democracy, free elections, plurality, multiculturalism who are trying to have a voice in the whole mess?

There is a lot more than some rebels going on over there.

It's local politics, religious conflicts, regional power and influence, global resources, nuclear trade and weapons, currency manipulation and theft................

and you though it was just a few rebels?

So you were ok with the slaughter of Christians in Egypt when they had elections?

These people aren't ready to choose for themselves. They are too violent and unless they have someone with a boot on their throat they will resort to violence. Which is exactly why they shouldn't be allowed to invade Europe and the west. They aren't capable of living without violence.

Never

I've been outspoken about many things in the region.

What happened to coptics after Morsi elections began long before. Christians and churches have made easy targets for a long time. Go back to the '20.

 

[aris2chat]

Iran used to be a good place as well when they had a secular leader. Once we allowed them to get an Islamic leader they became a terrible place for violence and oppression.

Now we have given them a path to nukes.

till the early '50s?

western facade on a country that was not western

Yea, it was nice for some, on the surface. I enjoyed visits there

 

[aris2chat]

putting lipstick on a pig won't make it a western lady (what ever you view that to be)
Can't hid what is happening in the middle east by putting western clothing on them.

 

[StLucieBengal]

putting lipstick on a pig won't make it a western lady (what ever you view that to be)
Can't hid what is happening in the middle east by putting western clothing on them.

So you will happily accept the consequences of allowing these people to have their own free elections? No matter the result?

How did that work out for Egypt? They were better under Mubarek. Now they are under military control. Which is still better than their elected choice of the Muslim Brotherhood.

do you think these people have the ability to elect a peaceful leader for all? Or will they default to Islamic leader who will them start exterminating the Christians.

 

[StLucieBengal]

Iran used to be a good place as well when they had a secular leader. Once we allowed them to get an Islamic leader they became a terrible place for violence and oppression.

Now we have given them a path to nukes.

till the early '50s?

western facade on a country that was not western

Yea, it was nice for some, on the surface. I enjoyed visits there

Was Iran a nicer place back then or now?

 

[ScienceRocks]

We should make a dozen giant bongs and smoke them around the camp fire with the muslims.

 

[ScienceRocks]

Maybe we can make peace

 

[StLucieBengal]

To add to to the above post.

I do sympathize with the people suffering but until they evolve and learn to live in a western way then there is not much we can do for them other than support a secular dictator who will at least keep the peace between religions.

I would stay out of their conflict and let the Russians and Syrians battle it out with the Rebels. Once we stop funding the rebels they would die quickly and just maybe we would cut off resources to Isis since they are getting them via the Syrian "rebels"

Western way??? Why should dictators and oligarchs some 6,000+ miles away with very different cultures live in a "western way"? How are you going to make them?

What of the civilians, the ordinary people living under their rule? What of those who want democracy, free elections, plurality, multiculturalism who are trying to have a voice in the whole mess?

There is a lot more than some rebels going on over there.

It's local politics, religious conflicts, regional power and influence, global resources, nuclear trade and weapons, currency manipulation and theft................

and you though it was just a few rebels?

So you were ok with the slaughter of Christians in Egypt when they had elections?

These people aren't ready to choose for themselves. They are too violent and unless they have someone with a boot on their throat they will resort to violence. Which is exactly why they shouldn't be allowed to invade Europe and the west. They aren't capable of living without violence.

Never

I've been outspoken about many things in the region.

What happened to coptics after Morsi elections began long before. Christians and churches have made easy targets for a long time. Go back to the '20.

Yet you want to overthrow the one person who is keeping secular peace in Syria?

It would be different if these people were capable of choosing a peaceful leader . But they are not able to do this.... They always choose violence because that's all they know. They are like owning a junk yard dog. You can't turn them into a house dog you leave with your kids.

 

[StLucieBengal]

Maybe we can make peace

They don't want peace. All they know is violence. They are taught it via their religion and they don't understand life without someone having a boot on their throat.