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The US is "supposed to be, a constitutional republic", can't the US be what the people want it to be? Does it have to be what the rich want it to be? People wanted real change with Trump, and yet people are now calling for the status quo again.
No.
PR simply enshrines the power in parties rather than candidates. That is the opposite of what we need.
I prefer going to a IRV for the presidential race (and that also addresses Contumacious statements as well). It removes the stigmas associated with third party voting allowing people to vote their conscious without splitting the vote AND the winning candidate receives a plurality of the vote every time.
I'm sorry, but the power is enshrined MASSIVELY in parties in the US. The parties in the US, the two of them, are far stronger than any party in Germany.
The German system has a duel system, I like it a lot. You vote twice. You vote for your constituency member, who gets elected. Once they are all elected then party lists take over. So you get both.
Also, in the presidential election, you'd have the popular vote, rather than the farce of the electoral college, but in Congress you'd have a similar system to Germany.
Personally I think the presidential election should be like France. A run off system. People can vote for whoever they like in the first round. Then in the 2nd round they vote for those who came in the top two (or potentially top three if the 3rd placed person got enough votes).
So. Why do you not live in one of those places?
We don't want that here.
"We"?
Who do you speak for?
Popular vote only equals mob rule… Dip shit LOLIt's very simple. The Presidency needs to be changed to a popular plurality election. However, you're only crying about this right now because your candidate lost.
True (and true.)
You're saying it's true based on what?
If you had seen my posts from before, you'd know I've pushed this a lot, recently and beyond.
True that we need to change to a popular vote only. True that we're only pushing for this because our candidate lost.
You may have been pushing this, and that's cool, I agree with it, but realistically we wouldn't be saying much about it if Hillary had won.
You would be calling for it if Hillary won by EV, and lost the popular vote... Dip shit LOL
If Hillary won the electoral college you wouldn't be saying this. And you know you wouldn't.However that's not the main reason I want proportional representation. I've been talking about it for a while.
Proportional Representation is real democracy. It's the will of the people.
What happened on Tuesday was not the will of the people.
No, it's supposed to be a republic not a shit eating democracy... lolPopular vote only equals mob rule… Dip shit LOLIt's very simple. The Presidency needs to be changed to a popular plurality election. However, you're only crying about this right now because your candidate lost.
True (and true.)
You're saying it's true based on what?
If you had seen my posts from before, you'd know I've pushed this a lot, recently and beyond.
True that we need to change to a popular vote only. True that we're only pushing for this because our candidate lost.
You may have been pushing this, and that's cool, I agree with it, but realistically we wouldn't be saying much about it if Hillary had won.
You would be calling for it if Hillary won by EV, and lost the popular vote... Dip shit LOL
True (and true.)
I don't think the president should be elected by NY, Calif and the NE region.
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It should be elected by the people. Everyone should have ONE VOTE, not now where one vote doesn't mean much in one place, and means a lot somewhere else.
You are not supposed to acquire rights by voting.
We are, supposed to be, a constitutional republic.
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What? I didn't say anything about acquiring rights by voting.
The US is "supposed to be, a constitutional republic", can't the US be what the people want it to be?
It has to be what the Constitution says it is.
If you disagree, change the Constitution.
Okay, simple fact, the last Republican presidential candidate to win an election not as the incumbent was way back in 1988. Yeah, go figure.
However that's not the main reason I want proportional representation. I've been talking about it for a while.
Proportional Representation is real democracy. It's the will of the people.
What happened on Tuesday was not the will of the people. Most people seems to hate Hillary AND Trump and voted for one or the other because they didn't want the other to get in. That's a pretty shitty system. It's clearly the people who control everything pushing you into a decision you don't want.
PR allows you to vote for whoever you want and if that party reaches the threshold (like in Germany it's 5%) then they get a member of parliament.
The Presidential vote should get rid of the electoral college, it's so outdated it's ridiculous. Have a "whoever gets the most votes wins" and a run off election, so people can vote whoever they like in round one, and then the top two get to go in a run off (or potentially any candidate who gets more than 33% goes into the next round).
This is the only way for people to have a say.
People wanted change with Trump, there is no change. In 8 years time it'll be back to the same old, same old.
Okay, simple fact, the last Republican presidential candidate to win an election not as the incumbent was way back in 1988. Yeah, go figure.
However that's not the main reason I want proportional representation. I've been talking about it for a while.
Proportional Representation is real democracy. It's the will of the people.
What happened on Tuesday was not the will of the people. Most people seems to hate Hillary AND Trump and voted for one or the other because they didn't want the other to get in. That's a pretty shitty system. It's clearly the people who control everything pushing you into a decision you don't want.
PR allows you to vote for whoever you want and if that party reaches the threshold (like in Germany it's 5%) then they get a member of parliament.
The Presidential vote should get rid of the electoral college, it's so outdated it's ridiculous. Have a "whoever gets the most votes wins" and a run off election, so people can vote whoever they like in round one, and then the top two get to go in a run off (or potentially any candidate who gets more than 33% goes into the next round).
This is the only way for people to have a say.
People wanted change with Trump, there is no change. In 8 years time it'll be back to the same old, same old.
You have the freedom to leave, do you need financial help to do so?
I never said that the power was not vested in parties here. What I said was that what you were talking about has that problem as well.No.
PR simply enshrines the power in parties rather than candidates. That is the opposite of what we need.
I prefer going to a IRV for the presidential race (and that also addresses Contumacious statements as well). It removes the stigmas associated with third party voting allowing people to vote their conscious without splitting the vote AND the winning candidate receives a plurality of the vote every time.
I'm sorry, but the power is enshrined MASSIVELY in parties in the US. The parties in the US, the two of them, are far stronger than any party in Germany.
The German system has a duel system, I like it a lot. You vote twice. You vote for your constituency member, who gets elected. Once they are all elected then party lists take over. So you get both.
Also, in the presidential election, you'd have the popular vote, rather than the farce of the electoral college, but in Congress you'd have a similar system to Germany.
Personally I think the presidential election should be like France. A run off system. People can vote for whoever they like in the first round. Then in the 2nd round they vote for those who came in the top two (or potentially top three if the 3rd placed person got enough votes).
I never said that the power was not vested in parties here. What I said was that what you were talking about has that problem as well.No.
PR simply enshrines the power in parties rather than candidates. That is the opposite of what we need.
I prefer going to a IRV for the presidential race (and that also addresses Contumacious statements as well). It removes the stigmas associated with third party voting allowing people to vote their conscious without splitting the vote AND the winning candidate receives a plurality of the vote every time.
I'm sorry, but the power is enshrined MASSIVELY in parties in the US. The parties in the US, the two of them, are far stronger than any party in Germany.
The German system has a duel system, I like it a lot. You vote twice. You vote for your constituency member, who gets elected. Once they are all elected then party lists take over. So you get both.
Also, in the presidential election, you'd have the popular vote, rather than the farce of the electoral college, but in Congress you'd have a similar system to Germany.
Personally I think the presidential election should be like France. A run off system. People can vote for whoever they like in the first round. Then in the 2nd round they vote for those who came in the top two (or potentially top three if the 3rd placed person got enough votes).
I agree with the runoff voting which is why I said I supported IRV. I forgot to put my link in my last post:
Instant-runoff voting - Wikipedia
^this, IMHO, would do a LOT to help people get actual representation rather than just lip service.
the presidential term is 4 years do not assume Trump will be a 2 term presidentOkay, simple fact, the last Republican presidential candidate to win an election not as the incumbent was way back in 1988. Yeah, go figure.
However that's not the main reason I want proportional representation. I've been talking about it for a while.
Proportional Representation is real democracy. It's the will of the people.
What happened on Tuesday was not the will of the people. Most people seems to hate Hillary AND Trump and voted for one or the other because they didn't want the other to get in. That's a pretty shitty system. It's clearly the people who control everything pushing you into a decision you don't want.
PR allows you to vote for whoever you want and if that party reaches the threshold (like in Germany it's 5%) then they get a member of parliament.
The Presidential vote should get rid of the electoral college, it's so outdated it's ridiculous. Have a "whoever gets the most votes wins" and a run off election, so people can vote whoever they like in round one, and then the top two get to go in a run off (or potentially any candidate who gets more than 33% goes into the next round).
This is the only way for people to have a say.
People wanted change with Trump, there is no change. In 8 years time it'll be back to the same old, same old.
We are a republic .....so.....Okay, simple fact, the last Republican presidential candidate to win an election not as the incumbent was way back in 1988. Yeah, go figure.
However that's not the main reason I want proportional representation. I've been talking about it for a while.
Proportional Representation is real democracy. It's the will of the people.
What happened on Tuesday was not the will of the people. Most people seems to hate Hillary AND Trump and voted for one or the other because they didn't want the other to get in. That's a pretty shitty system. It's clearly the people who control everything pushing you into a decision you don't want.
PR allows you to vote for whoever you want and if that party reaches the threshold (like in Germany it's 5%) then they get a member of parliament.
The Presidential vote should get rid of the electoral college, it's so outdated it's ridiculous. Have a "whoever gets the most votes wins" and a run off election, so people can vote whoever they like in round one, and then the top two get to go in a run off (or potentially any candidate who gets more than 33% goes into the next round).
This is the only way for people to have a say.
People wanted change with Trump, there is no change. In 8 years time it'll be back to the same old, same old.
the presidential term is 4 years do not assume Trump will be a 2 term presidentOkay, simple fact, the last Republican presidential candidate to win an election not as the incumbent was way back in 1988. Yeah, go figure.
However that's not the main reason I want proportional representation. I've been talking about it for a while.
Proportional Representation is real democracy. It's the will of the people.
What happened on Tuesday was not the will of the people. Most people seems to hate Hillary AND Trump and voted for one or the other because they didn't want the other to get in. That's a pretty shitty system. It's clearly the people who control everything pushing you into a decision you don't want.
PR allows you to vote for whoever you want and if that party reaches the threshold (like in Germany it's 5%) then they get a member of parliament.
The Presidential vote should get rid of the electoral college, it's so outdated it's ridiculous. Have a "whoever gets the most votes wins" and a run off election, so people can vote whoever they like in round one, and then the top two get to go in a run off (or potentially any candidate who gets more than 33% goes into the next round).
This is the only way for people to have a say.
People wanted change with Trump, there is no change. In 8 years time it'll be back to the same old, same old.
hell I wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't challenge by other republicans in 4 years
the presidential term is 4 years do not assume Trump will be a 2 term presidentOkay, simple fact, the last Republican presidential candidate to win an election not as the incumbent was way back in 1988. Yeah, go figure.
However that's not the main reason I want proportional representation. I've been talking about it for a while.
Proportional Representation is real democracy. It's the will of the people.
What happened on Tuesday was not the will of the people. Most people seems to hate Hillary AND Trump and voted for one or the other because they didn't want the other to get in. That's a pretty shitty system. It's clearly the people who control everything pushing you into a decision you don't want.
PR allows you to vote for whoever you want and if that party reaches the threshold (like in Germany it's 5%) then they get a member of parliament.
The Presidential vote should get rid of the electoral college, it's so outdated it's ridiculous. Have a "whoever gets the most votes wins" and a run off election, so people can vote whoever they like in round one, and then the top two get to go in a run off (or potentially any candidate who gets more than 33% goes into the next round).
This is the only way for people to have a say.
People wanted change with Trump, there is no change. In 8 years time it'll be back to the same old, same old.
hell I wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't challenge by other republicans in 4 years
Yeah, we'll see. I'm just dreading him doing stupid stuff.
the presidential term is 4 years do not assume Trump will be a 2 term presidentOkay, simple fact, the last Republican presidential candidate to win an election not as the incumbent was way back in 1988. Yeah, go figure.
However that's not the main reason I want proportional representation. I've been talking about it for a while.
Proportional Representation is real democracy. It's the will of the people.
What happened on Tuesday was not the will of the people. Most people seems to hate Hillary AND Trump and voted for one or the other because they didn't want the other to get in. That's a pretty shitty system. It's clearly the people who control everything pushing you into a decision you don't want.
PR allows you to vote for whoever you want and if that party reaches the threshold (like in Germany it's 5%) then they get a member of parliament.
The Presidential vote should get rid of the electoral college, it's so outdated it's ridiculous. Have a "whoever gets the most votes wins" and a run off election, so people can vote whoever they like in round one, and then the top two get to go in a run off (or potentially any candidate who gets more than 33% goes into the next round).
This is the only way for people to have a say.
People wanted change with Trump, there is no change. In 8 years time it'll be back to the same old, same old.
hell I wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't challenge by other republicans in 4 years
Yeah, we'll see. I'm just dreading him doing stupid stuff.
the president doesn't have as much power as you think yo impact your everyday life
No, it means that I do not see merit in a parliamentary system. You are the one that seems to think opposition to a PA means that I accept what we have or don't want a system. I gave you what I think would be a drastic improvement.I never said that the power was not vested in parties here. What I said was that what you were talking about has that problem as well.No.
PR simply enshrines the power in parties rather than candidates. That is the opposite of what we need.
I prefer going to a IRV for the presidential race (and that also addresses Contumacious statements as well). It removes the stigmas associated with third party voting allowing people to vote their conscious without splitting the vote AND the winning candidate receives a plurality of the vote every time.
I'm sorry, but the power is enshrined MASSIVELY in parties in the US. The parties in the US, the two of them, are far stronger than any party in Germany.
The German system has a duel system, I like it a lot. You vote twice. You vote for your constituency member, who gets elected. Once they are all elected then party lists take over. So you get both.
Also, in the presidential election, you'd have the popular vote, rather than the farce of the electoral college, but in Congress you'd have a similar system to Germany.
Personally I think the presidential election should be like France. A run off system. People can vote for whoever they like in the first round. Then in the 2nd round they vote for those who came in the top two (or potentially top three if the 3rd placed person got enough votes).
I agree with the runoff voting which is why I said I supported IRV. I forgot to put my link in my last post:
Instant-runoff voting - Wikipedia
^this, IMHO, would do a LOT to help people get actual representation rather than just lip service.
Every system has a problem. Does that mean we shouldn't have a system? Well that'd be a problem too. Oh no.
However the FPTP + PR system has a lot less problems than the US system.
