To all Gun Grabbers

[buckeye45_73]

The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home - and was written with people like you in mind.
Why do you think it is constitutionally permissible to requite training, testing and licensing as a condition to exercise a right?

Because guns are lethal weapons?

Of course they are - that's why or right to own and use them is specifically protected by the constitution. How is your answer valid?
Can the state constitutionally require training, testing and licensing as a condition to exercise the right to an abortion?
The right to go to church?
The right to vote?

Why do we require training, testing and licensing before driving a vehicle on a public road...

Because it is a privilege granted by the state that inherently and directly threatens the lives of everyone that exercises it - and thus, is an invalid analogue.

The Constitution was written by men, not God, and it was also written to accommodate change as the country changed. The Second Amendment can be abolished, since it no longer applies.

The Constitution was written by smarter people than we elect now, so it would be foolish to allow the hacks we elected to change it at all.
And why would the 2nd amendment not be applicable now?
Has government gotten less likely to become corrupt and powerful?
Look at the Iraqi WMD lies and the torture at Guantanamo.
Clearly central government in the US is more corrupt than ever.

In our country, we do not solve problems and disagreement with our government by shooting them. We vote them out. At least that is the concept.
The 2nd amendment is clearly no longer applicable since we do not need and do not have a citizen militia. YOU may live in the woods and stockpile weapons against the glorious day when you get to shoot at a SWAT team, but that does make us all subversives.
We vote instead.

Do you lefties live in a vaccum?
Right now we do, but when was the last election a democrat lost and they just accepted it? That's the start

 

[BULLDOG]

If you're that paranoid, you should go live in a cave in the wilderness somewhere.

It is called being realistic, just like people in Kansas who have a tornado shelter.
It is very hard to predict when you will need it, but it is certain that you will eventually.
There has never been any society that has gone for more than about 400 years without a major upheaval, like civil war, rebellion, invasion, catastrophe, large natural disaster, etc.
If you think that periods as long as hundreds of years is not worth planning for, then you belong in the extinct species category.

And frankly, this country likely is WAY over due for a major upheaval.
We murdered 3 million innocent Vietnamese, half a million innocent Iraqis, tortured at Guantanamo, lied about WMD, assassinated Qaddafi, tried to invade Syria, overthrew the elected government of Egypt, etc.
The government in the US is WAY out of control and constantly committing serious war crimes.

Got it, and you're expecting our government to attack us next. Isn't that what you thought Jade Helm was?

And you think all governments are good?

Without government, we would be living in caves. I don't think our government is going to attack us. Do you?

See, I agree, that no government is as bad as oppressive government. Now if you could tell your commies (or Utopian Socialists) that then we're on to something. The only reason to like socialism is the promise of Utopian Socialism...….which cant and wont be achieved
Do I think the government will attack us? Not in the near future, but it's certainly possible......You need to learn history to see what people are capable of and why the Founders were so smart to put these protections in.
Do you not think humans are capable of unimaginable horrors?

You're kinda off the deep end there bubba.

 

[buckeye45_73]

It is called being realistic, just like people in Kansas who have a tornado shelter.
It is very hard to predict when you will need it, but it is certain that you will eventually.
There has never been any society that has gone for more than about 400 years without a major upheaval, like civil war, rebellion, invasion, catastrophe, large natural disaster, etc.
If you think that periods as long as hundreds of years is not worth planning for, then you belong in the extinct species category.

And frankly, this country likely is WAY over due for a major upheaval.
We murdered 3 million innocent Vietnamese, half a million innocent Iraqis, tortured at Guantanamo, lied about WMD, assassinated Qaddafi, tried to invade Syria, overthrew the elected government of Egypt, etc.
The government in the US is WAY out of control and constantly committing serious war crimes.

Got it, and you're expecting our government to attack us next. Isn't that what you thought Jade Helm was?

And you think all governments are good?

Without government, we would be living in caves. I don't think our government is going to attack us. Do you?

See, I agree, that no government is as bad as oppressive government. Now if you could tell your commies (or Utopian Socialists) that then we're on to something. The only reason to like socialism is the promise of Utopian Socialism...….which cant and wont be achieved
Do I think the government will attack us? Not in the near future, but it's certainly possible......You need to learn history to see what people are capable of and why the Founders were so smart to put these protections in.
Do you not think humans are capable of unimaginable horrors?

You're kinda off the deep end there bubba.

Nope, you dont think people can work in a world with government, and neither do I....so you just basically killed the point of socialism, thank you!

 

[BULLDOG]

Got it, and you're expecting our government to attack us next. Isn't that what you thought Jade Helm was?

And you think all governments are good?

Without government, we would be living in caves. I don't think our government is going to attack us. Do you?

See, I agree, that no government is as bad as oppressive government. Now if you could tell your commies (or Utopian Socialists) that then we're on to something. The only reason to like socialism is the promise of Utopian Socialism...….which cant and wont be achieved
Do I think the government will attack us? Not in the near future, but it's certainly possible......You need to learn history to see what people are capable of and why the Founders were so smart to put these protections in.
Do you not think humans are capable of unimaginable horrors?

You're kinda off the deep end there bubba.

Nope, you dont think people can work in a world with government, and neither do I....so you just basically killed the point of socialism, thank you!

You might be pretty good at what you do for a living, but you suck at mind reading.

 

[buckeye45_73]

And you think all governments are good?

Without government, we would be living in caves. I don't think our government is going to attack us. Do you?

See, I agree, that no government is as bad as oppressive government. Now if you could tell your commies (or Utopian Socialists) that then we're on to something. The only reason to like socialism is the promise of Utopian Socialism...….which cant and wont be achieved
Do I think the government will attack us? Not in the near future, but it's certainly possible......You need to learn history to see what people are capable of and why the Founders were so smart to put these protections in.
Do you not think humans are capable of unimaginable horrors?

You're kinda off the deep end there bubba.

Nope, you dont think people can work in a world with government, and neither do I....so you just basically killed the point of socialism, thank you!

You might be pretty good at what you do for a living, but you suck at mind reading.

Ok, do tell me where I went wrong

 

[BULLDOG]

Without government, we would be living in caves. I don't think our government is going to attack us. Do you?

See, I agree, that no government is as bad as oppressive government. Now if you could tell your commies (or Utopian Socialists) that then we're on to something. The only reason to like socialism is the promise of Utopian Socialism...….which cant and wont be achieved
Do I think the government will attack us? Not in the near future, but it's certainly possible......You need to learn history to see what people are capable of and why the Founders were so smart to put these protections in.
Do you not think humans are capable of unimaginable horrors?

You're kinda off the deep end there bubba.

Nope, you dont think people can work in a world with government, and neither do I....so you just basically killed the point of socialism, thank you!

You might be pretty good at what you do for a living, but you suck at mind reading.

Ok, do tell me where I went wrong

Sorry buddy I can't help you. Ask your therapist.

 

[buckeye45_73]

See, I agree, that no government is as bad as oppressive government. Now if you could tell your commies (or Utopian Socialists) that then we're on to something. The only reason to like socialism is the promise of Utopian Socialism...….which cant and wont be achieved
Do I think the government will attack us? Not in the near future, but it's certainly possible......You need to learn history to see what people are capable of and why the Founders were so smart to put these protections in.
Do you not think humans are capable of unimaginable horrors?

You're kinda off the deep end there bubba.

Nope, you dont think people can work in a world with government, and neither do I....so you just basically killed the point of socialism, thank you!

You might be pretty good at what you do for a living, but you suck at mind reading.

Ok, do tell me where I went wrong

Sorry buddy I can't help you. Ask your therapist.

Ah, so I got em…….this is the lefty tactic.....now the talking points wont help......they are caught...…..God lefties inflate my ego so much......I love this place

 

[BULLDOG]

You're kinda off the deep end there bubba.

Nope, you dont think people can work in a world with government, and neither do I....so you just basically killed the point of socialism, thank you!

You might be pretty good at what you do for a living, but you suck at mind reading.

Ok, do tell me where I went wrong

Sorry buddy I can't help you. Ask your therapist.

Ah, so I got em…….this is the lefty tactic.....now the talking points wont help......they are caught...…..God lefties inflate my ego so much......I love this place

You got nothing dumb ass. Why would you think people couldn't work in a world with government, and what crazy thing would make you believe I think that.

 

[buckeye45_73]

Nope, you dont think people can work in a world with government, and neither do I....so you just basically killed the point of socialism, thank you!

You might be pretty good at what you do for a living, but you suck at mind reading.

Ok, do tell me where I went wrong

Sorry buddy I can't help you. Ask your therapist.

Ah, so I got em…….this is the lefty tactic.....now the talking points wont help......they are caught...…..God lefties inflate my ego so much......I love this place

You got nothing dumb ass. Why would you think people couldn't work in a world with government, and what crazy thing would make you believe I think that.

I do think people could work in a world with government, we do that right now....I'm not sure I understand your question.

 

[BULLDOG]

You might be pretty good at what you do for a living, but you suck at mind reading.

Ok, do tell me where I went wrong

Sorry buddy I can't help you. Ask your therapist.

Ah, so I got em…….this is the lefty tactic.....now the talking points wont help......they are caught...…..God lefties inflate my ego so much......I love this place

You got nothing dumb ass. Why would you think people couldn't work in a world with government, and what crazy thing would make you believe I think that.

I do think people could work in a world with government, we do that right now....I'm not sure I understand your question.

It was a direct quote from your post. If you don't understand what it means, how do you expect me to dumb ass?

 

[buckeye45_73]

See, I agree, that no government is as bad as oppressive government. Now if you could tell your commies (or Utopian Socialists) that then we're on to something. The only reason to like socialism is the promise of Utopian Socialism...….which cant and wont be achieved
Do I think the government will attack us? Not in the near future, but it's certainly possible......You need to learn history to see what people are capable of and why the Founders were so smart to put these protections in.
Do you not think humans are capable of unimaginable horrors?

You're kinda off the deep end there bubba.

Nope, you dont think people can work in a world with government, and neither do I....so you just basically killed the point of socialism, thank you!

You might be pretty good at what you do for a living, but you suck at mind reading.

Ok, do tell me where I went wrong

Sorry buddy I can't help you. Ask your therapist.

Oops I see the typo.....it's a world without government.....clear it up?

 

[Jitss617]

All I gotta say to you left wingers is... come and take it! Feeling lucky?

 

[Rigby5]

For what? So if the government becomes tyrannical OR if someone invades your home, you're defense is voting?

If you're that paranoid, you should go live in a cave in the wilderness somewhere.

It is called being realistic, just like people in Kansas who have a tornado shelter.
It is very hard to predict when you will need it, but it is certain that you will eventually.
There has never been any society that has gone for more than about 400 years without a major upheaval, like civil war, rebellion, invasion, catastrophe, large natural disaster, etc.
If you think that periods as long as hundreds of years is not worth planning for, then you belong in the extinct species category.

And frankly, this country likely is WAY over due for a major upheaval.
We murdered 3 million innocent Vietnamese, half a million innocent Iraqis, tortured at Guantanamo, lied about WMD, assassinated Qaddafi, tried to invade Syria, overthrew the elected government of Egypt, etc.
The government in the US is WAY out of control and constantly committing serious war crimes.

Got it, and you're expecting our government to attack us next. Isn't that what you thought Jade Helm was?

And you think all governments are good?

Without government, we would be living in caves. I don't think our government is going to attack us. Do you?

Wrong. First of all, the government does not do anything for your home, food, job, clothing, etc.
In fact, government does nothing at all to protect you from robbery, disease, or almost anything.
We are forced to pay the government about $4 trillion a year, and do almost nothing for us.
I don't think the government is going to attack us as long as we are their slaves, paying them over $4 trillion a year in extortion. But if we ever want to stop paying that extortion, and want to get government to stop invading innocent countries like Iraq, then YES, the government is and has attacked us. In case you forgot, the federal government murdered US citizens at Ruby Ridge and Waco. What do you think the War on Drugs is, if not an attack on us? The War on Drugs is not to protect anyone, but an attack on us to make money from bail, court costs, fines, asset forfeiture, etc.

 

[buckeye45_73]

If you're that paranoid, you should go live in a cave in the wilderness somewhere.

It is called being realistic, just like people in Kansas who have a tornado shelter.
It is very hard to predict when you will need it, but it is certain that you will eventually.
There has never been any society that has gone for more than about 400 years without a major upheaval, like civil war, rebellion, invasion, catastrophe, large natural disaster, etc.
If you think that periods as long as hundreds of years is not worth planning for, then you belong in the extinct species category.

And frankly, this country likely is WAY over due for a major upheaval.
We murdered 3 million innocent Vietnamese, half a million innocent Iraqis, tortured at Guantanamo, lied about WMD, assassinated Qaddafi, tried to invade Syria, overthrew the elected government of Egypt, etc.
The government in the US is WAY out of control and constantly committing serious war crimes.

Got it, and you're expecting our government to attack us next. Isn't that what you thought Jade Helm was?

And you think all governments are good?

Without government, we would be living in caves. I don't think our government is going to attack us. Do you?

Wrong. First of all, the government does not do anything for your home, food, job, clothing, etc.
In fact, government does nothing at all to protect you from robbery, disease, or almost anything.
We are forced to pay the government about $4 trillion a year, and do almost nothing for us.
I don't think the government is going to attack us as long as we are their slaves, paying them over $4 trillion a year in extortion. But if we ever want to stop paying that extortion, and want to get government to stop invading innocent countries like Iraq, then YES, the government is and has attacked us. In case you forgot, the federal government murdered US citizens at Ruby Ridge and Waco. What do you think the War on Drugs is, if not an attack on us? The War on Drugs is not to protect anyone, but an attack on us to make money from bail, court costs, fines, asset forfeiture, etc.

No we do need government, Humans are despicable things that need government. Having said that, we need a small amount of military, police and maybe currency and a market, beyond that, we dont need government......

 

[Rigby5]

It is called being realistic, just like people in Kansas who have a tornado shelter.
It is very hard to predict when you will need it, but it is certain that you will eventually.
There has never been any society that has gone for more than about 400 years without a major upheaval, like civil war, rebellion, invasion, catastrophe, large natural disaster, etc.
If you think that periods as long as hundreds of years is not worth planning for, then you belong in the extinct species category.

And frankly, this country likely is WAY over due for a major upheaval.
We murdered 3 million innocent Vietnamese, half a million innocent Iraqis, tortured at Guantanamo, lied about WMD, assassinated Qaddafi, tried to invade Syria, overthrew the elected government of Egypt, etc.
The government in the US is WAY out of control and constantly committing serious war crimes.

Got it, and you're expecting our government to attack us next. Isn't that what you thought Jade Helm was?

And you think all governments are good?

Without government, we would be living in caves. I don't think our government is going to attack us. Do you?

Wrong. First of all, the government does not do anything for your home, food, job, clothing, etc.
In fact, government does nothing at all to protect you from robbery, disease, or almost anything.
We are forced to pay the government about $4 trillion a year, and do almost nothing for us.
I don't think the government is going to attack us as long as we are their slaves, paying them over $4 trillion a year in extortion. But if we ever want to stop paying that extortion, and want to get government to stop invading innocent countries like Iraq, then YES, the government is and has attacked us. In case you forgot, the federal government murdered US citizens at Ruby Ridge and Waco. What do you think the War on Drugs is, if not an attack on us? The War on Drugs is not to protect anyone, but an attack on us to make money from bail, court costs, fines, asset forfeiture, etc.

No we do need government, Humans are despicable things that need government. Having said that, we need a small amount of military, police and maybe currency and a market, beyond that, we don't need government......

I do not think we NEED government, since they really don't do us much good, cost way too much, and are out of control, like lying to use about WMD.
Most government bureaus, like BATF, DEA, TSA, HLS, etc., are evil, illegal, and just plain wrong.

We do WANT some government, but only for things like streets, public schools, etc.
We likely do not need any federal government at all, and the local government we need should likely be volunteers.

Defense should not be government, but just us the people.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

To date, how many times have high capacity 100 round magazines been used to commit a massacre?

Desperate red herring. Nobody is arguing against only 100 round magazines. You are trying to change the subject, because you made up something that was stupid and wrong. And you know it. Recant or shut up.

 

[buckeye45_73]

Got it, and you're expecting our government to attack us next. Isn't that what you thought Jade Helm was?

And you think all governments are good?

Without government, we would be living in caves. I don't think our government is going to attack us. Do you?

Wrong. First of all, the government does not do anything for your home, food, job, clothing, etc.
In fact, government does nothing at all to protect you from robbery, disease, or almost anything.
We are forced to pay the government about $4 trillion a year, and do almost nothing for us.
I don't think the government is going to attack us as long as we are their slaves, paying them over $4 trillion a year in extortion. But if we ever want to stop paying that extortion, and want to get government to stop invading innocent countries like Iraq, then YES, the government is and has attacked us. In case you forgot, the federal government murdered US citizens at Ruby Ridge and Waco. What do you think the War on Drugs is, if not an attack on us? The War on Drugs is not to protect anyone, but an attack on us to make money from bail, court costs, fines, asset forfeiture, etc.

No we do need government, Humans are despicable things that need government. Having said that, we need a small amount of military, police and maybe currency and a market, beyond that, we don't need government......

I do not think we NEED government, since they really don't do us much good, cost way too much, and are out of control, like lying to use about WMD.
Most government bureaus, like BATF, DEA, TSA, HLS, etc., are evil, illegal, and just plain wrong.

We do WANT some government, but only for things like streets, public schools, etc.
We likely do not need any federal government at all, and the local government we need should likely be volunteers.

Defense should not be government, but just us the people.

Well the scope and size are debatable.....but we do need some, otherwise people would kill/rape/and steal.....
I like our federalism, it's just been corrupted by the left...….it's not the system, it's the people in it.

 

[buckeye45_73]

To date, how many times have high capacity 100 round magazines been used to commit a massacre?

Desperate red herring. Nobody is arguing against only 100 round magazines. You are trying to change the subject, because you made up something that was stupid and wrong. And you know it. Recant or shut up.

I'm jumping in......so if they aren't arguing against 100 round magazines, what are they want?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

To date, how many times have high capacity 100 round magazines been used to commit a massacre?

Desperate red herring. Nobody is arguing against only 100 round magazines. You are trying to change the subject, because you made up something that was stupid and wrong. And you know it. Recant or shut up.

I'm jumping in......so if they aren't arguing against 100 round magazines, what are they want?

Well, a lot of people want capacities over 15 banned, for instance. But if you would like to take up the idiotic position where rigby the fantasizing goober left off, you can argue how they dont help mass shooters kill more people than low capacity magazines.

And...go!

 

[Rigby5]

To date, how many times have high capacity 100 round magazines been used to commit a massacre?

Desperate red herring. Nobody is arguing against only 100 round magazines. You are trying to change the subject, because you made up something that was stupid and wrong. And you know it. Recant or shut up.

If you think that 30 round magazines should be outlawed, then are you willing to take them away from police and the military? Because the only reason why anyone else wants 30 round magazines is because that is what is the least expensive, due to police and military surplus. If you get the police and military to switch to 15 or 10 round magazines, so they become the least expensive, then I would have no problem switching either.
But it is illegal to allow police and military to use 30 round magazines, and then force the public to pay twice as much for 10 or 15 round magazines.

And by the way, in Congressional hearings, 100 round magazines are all they are ever talking about.
You need to pay better attention.