To those saying flipping burgers or dunking fries deserves 15.00 per hour...

[OnePercenter]

I'm glad I decided not to work in the fast food industry.

Because of being an unskilled laborer?

 

[OnePercenter]

“Prosperity Through Lower Wages!”

No, prosperity through trying harder, working more hours, investing your money instead of buying the newest I-phone and video game system, learning a skill that pays much more than minimum wage.

Investing? You mean the 2 Trillion dollar loss in retirement accounts due to BushCo?

You mean Amazon that pays $15.75/hr to managers and requires a Bachelor's degree which costs $50k?

My retirement account did just fine during the recession; in fact better. The company that manages my account quit buying shares when the market started to tank, but my employer kept sending them contributions. When the market showed some signs of growth, the investment company put all that money into the market. It was like buying three shares for the price of one.

I invested in real estate. It took 10% down to buy a rental home. As time went on, so did rent increases, and now I collect five times what I pay in mortgage.

If you don't want to work at Amazon, then don't. Become a truck driver instead. You'll make a hell of a lot more than fifteen bucks an hour. You can see the country for free, and always have a career in dire need. In fact, we are short over 30,000 drivers right now industry can't find.

The company that manages your account quit buying shares when the market started to tank. That means you lost 80% of what you've already made, AND didn't gain for two years between the market crash and recovery which was brought to you by the guy that you voted in office. Good job!

 

[OnePercenter]

The middle class will never get ahead....70 grand per year is almost poverty. Drive truck for that?

The middle class is not supposed to get ahead, they are either supposed to move up or move down. Both parties have had it out for the middle class for decades.

It took me getting my masters and my wife becoming a Nurse and a shit ton of hard work for us to finally break out of the "middle class". And we just barely are not in the class anymore.

Who says the middle class is not supposed to get ahead?

 

[francoHFW]

All of the tax cut should go to the Non rich... The mega Rich are so bloated now it's ridiculous.... The more you see of this bill the worse it gets.

That would be great except most of the non-rich don't pay any income taxes. What you are suggesting is that we give tax money to those who don't pay taxes.

Wealth redistribution is not part of tax reform. Wealth redistribution is Socialism. If you believe in Socialism, then you better find another country to live in. We don't want it here.

It's not that hard... You cut payroll taxes or some other federal tax or give more to states so they can cut their taxes which have been going up for 35 years and kill the non-rich one of the most important or help with college costs or training cost- things that would help Non rich. For a God damn change. How about good infrastructure and jobs?

For your information, payroll taxes have nothing to do with income tax. The money you are deducted from your paycheck all comes back to you if you live the average lifespan in this country. Your SS comes back to you, your FICA comes back to you since it's just an acronym for SS, your Medicare comes back to you. The only thing you don't get back are local taxes.

So you can't cut anything from payroll taxes because those programs are already going broke.

Irrelevant the point is giving perks to the rich even now is just ridiculous. The rich are incredibly bloated after 30 years of Pander to the rich reaganism and the middle class is overtime taxed and now almost ruined percentage-wise gets worse and worse and worse and the GOP keeps cutting taxes on them. Ad gives them God knows how many perks tax cutting on private school tuitions etcetera. The bought off lying GOP is a disgrace.

Exactly. What kind of idiot allows people to keep more of the money THEY made?

"What is YOUR fair share of what somebody else worked for?"
Thomas Sowell

When basically all new wealth stays with the very richest and the middle class in the country are going to hell for 30 years slowly, it's time to help the non Rich for a change. And tax the rich like every other country in the world including the United States before Reagan. Thanks new BS GOP and silly dupes.

 

[OnePercenter]

And 32% work for a little tiny bit more so you can say that LOL. And it just keeps getting worse see the tax cut the GOP hypocrites are working on, dupe.

I did see what it says. Did you?

The middle-class (for this legislation) is anywhere from just out of poverty well into six figure salaries. The upper part of this so-called middle-class will see a tax increase; about 35% of this group. The rest of us will see a tax decrease.

So if you are making 180K a year, yes, you will pay more in taxes. If you make 50K, you will get a tax break.

Only the richest get a big tax break... And there are Cuts in Aid for going to college and cuts in property tax write-offs and mortgages. It's a mess for the not rich.

Ignoring the FACT that the only people who will lose their mortgage interest deduction are those who have over a 500K mortgage in the first place?

Which isn't a lot a lot of places, and there are so many things we don't know about in this tax bill. But they all seem to be bad for regular people. GD Ohio state...

You are reading or listening to too many OPINIONS by the left-wing MSM. There are parts of the bill I'm not thrilled with either. But it's not a curse on the lower or middle-class by any stretch of the imagination. More child credits, lower taxes, many will not have to hire a tax specialist to do their taxes any longer. You won't need to be a CPA to figure out what you owe in taxes.

You gain in standard deduction but lose the personal deduction. How is that good?

 

[Cecilie1200]

It's also a far cry from what those jobs are actually worth.

Bullshit

Oh, well, THAT certainly settles it. Brilliantly insightful commentary you have there.

I'm gonna say it again, and do see if you can come up with something brighter than "I disagree, because I don't like it" as a rebuttal.

If I can train my 9-year-old to do the job as well as any of the people doing it, it is NOT worth $15 an hour. And make no mistake, the ONLY qualification those people have that Quinlan doesn't is that they're taller.

 

[Cecilie1200]

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Even McDonald's acknowledges that their business was intended for children.
Holding businesses that are created with the employment of kids & college students responsible for the poor choices people make in life is wrong. If you're in your mid to late 20's or higher & working for minimum wage you have no one to blame but yourself. You're poor choices should not result in a 10.00 Big Mac or 4 dollar fry.

so you pick a meme and think that's a truth?

reality: if you work 40 hours a week, you should be able to afford, food, shelter medicine and education.

Reality: if you work 40 hours a week, and can't afford food, shelter, medicine, and education (and coherent punctuation), that's on YOU, not your employer.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Probably the better and more logical way to increase the pay of workers is to construct unions and demand a larger piece of the pie for the workers.

The management and corporate shouldn't be getting 90% of all the profit!

Why not?

 

[Cecilie1200]

if the economy really kicks in, you know that McDonalds/Burger King will really be desperate, to the extent where counter people/drive thru people can be as rude as they want to. so we may have to get used to approaching the counter, and some girl says,,,"Welcome To McDonalds Bitch!, youve got 10 seconds to order bitch! if you know what the hell you want, just git the &^%$@!)(* outa my store so I can wait on the next hoe in line !!!!"

Well, if it gets to the point where McDonald's and Burger King can't find competent applicants for what they pay, then I guess they'll raise the wages or go automatic. That is the ONLY acceptable way for wages to rise, btw.

 

[Cecilie1200]

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Even McDonald's acknowledges that their business was intended for children.
Holding businesses that are created with the employment of kids & college students responsible for the poor choices people make in life is wrong. If you're in your mid to late 20's or higher & working for minimum wage you have no one to blame but yourself. You're poor choices should not result in a 10.00 Big Mac or 4 dollar fry.

"Tell me what you what you eat and I'll tell you who you are"....conservatives need to stay in school longer, to be able to afford better and healthier food.

Yes, because McDonald's is selling billions of burgers a year ONLY to conservatives.

Have you always been a twit, or is this something new you're trying out?

 

[ScienceRocks]

The elite shouldn't be getting 1,000 times as much as the workers and herding it.

We need strong unions to organize the worker in order to grow our middle class.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

The middle class will never get ahead....70 grand per year is almost poverty. Drive truck for that?

The middle class is not supposed to get ahead, they are either supposed to move up or move down. Both parties have had it out for the middle class for decades.

It took me getting my masters and my wife becoming a Nurse and a shit ton of hard work for us to finally break out of the "middle class". And we just barely are not in the class anymore.

Who says the middle class is not supposed to get ahead?

I did! Lol. But it was poorly phrased. The middle class is being squeezed and it will eventually go away. Some people will move up, which I guess would be the same as get ahead, most will move down.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

I am a "let the market dictate the pay" sort of guy. I hate the artificial minimum wage.

The market is fixed.

Let me guess. You're a baby boomer that got everything handed to him.....right?

I was born at the tail end of the baby boom, but never had anything handed to me. Out of high school I went to college and drank my way to flunking out after 3 semesters. From there I delivered produce for a wholesale produce company. Left there to be a grinder at a company making fire engines. While there I became friends with the welders whose welds I was grinder and they taught me to weld and I became the only non-school trained welder on the line. Then at the ripe old age of 24 I wanted more and joined the Marines. Spent 20 years with them and worked my way up to Gunnery Sergeant.

Got out of the Corps and used the GI bill I paid for to finish my bachelors and get a Masters and two data certifications. While at my current position I used my time and money to get my PMP certification to make myself more marketable.

While I was finishing my Masters my wife also went back to school and is now an RN on critical care floor working 13 hour shifts.

So, nope I have had nothing handed to me, I worked my ass off for everything that I have.

I'm shocked, you write like a 70 year old.

I am not sure how a 70 year old writes, but I can assure I am only a mid-50s guy.

 

[francoHFW]

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Even McDonald's acknowledges that their business was intended for children.
Holding businesses that are created with the employment of kids & college students responsible for the poor choices people make in life is wrong. If you're in your mid to late 20's or higher & working for minimum wage you have no one to blame but yourself. You're poor choices should not result in a 10.00 Big Mac or 4 dollar fry.

so you pick a meme and think that's a truth?

reality: if you work 40 hours a week, you should be able to afford, food, shelter medicine and education.

Reality: if you work 40 hours a week, and can't afford food, shelter, medicine, and education (and coherent punctuation), that's on YOU, not your employer.

Actually it's on the greedy new b******* GOP and their dupes like you... Every other modern country has living wage a month paid vacation free healthcare cheap daycare pay parental leave. You are a brainwashed functional moron.

 

[initforme]

Getting rid of union's is a great way to put ythe squeeze on the middle class. It's effective and for some reason alot of middle class voters are frankly too dang dumb to figure it out. Even if one is a very hard worker ones employer in the end wants to take away any perk they have. Slowly but surely. Either a worker finds a way to stick it to their boss now and then or they move on the second a higher paying job is in their grasp. Employers don't want nor expect their best people to be loyal or to stay. Those days are long gone.

 

[Rustic]

View attachment 164037

Even McDonald's acknowledges that their business was intended for children.
Holding businesses that are created with the employment of kids & college students responsible for the poor choices people make in life is wrong. If you're in your mid to late 20's or higher & working for minimum wage you have no one to blame but yourself. You're poor choices should not result in a 10.00 Big Mac or 4 dollar fry.

so you pick a meme and think that's a truth?

reality: if you work 40 hours a week, you should be able to afford, food, shelter medicine and education.

Reality: if you work 40 hours a week, and can't afford food, shelter, medicine, and education (and coherent punctuation), that's on YOU, not your employer.

Actually it's on the greedy new b******* GOP and their dupes like you... Every other modern country has living wage a month paid vacation free healthcare cheap daycare pay parental leave. You are a brainwashed functional moron.

That’s why the countries have debt far too large to ever pay off,, just like us. And Europe depends on our military instead of paying for their own... the dead beats they are.

 

[Cecilie1200]

The elite shouldn't be getting 1,000 times as much as the workers and herding it.

We need strong unions to organize the worker in order to grow our middle class.

I think you mean "hoarding" it, unless you're suggesting they're out with cattle prods, urgin' them dollars down the cattle chute.

Maybe we need strong unions to organize the workers to communicate effectively in their own mother tongue. That might do more for your earning potential than any amount of organized kvetching.

 

[Rustic]

Getting rid of union's is a great way to put ythe squeeze on the middle class. It's effective and for some reason alot of middle class voters are frankly too dang dumb to figure it out. Even if one is a very hard worker ones employer in the end wants to take away any perk they have. Slowly but surely. Either a worker finds a way to stick it to their boss now and then or they move on the second a higher paying job is in their grasp. Employers don't want nor expect their best people to be loyal or to stay. Those days are long gone.

Employees never have skin in the game...

 

[francoHFW]

View attachment 164037

Even McDonald's acknowledges that their business was intended for children.
Holding businesses that are created with the employment of kids & college students responsible for the poor choices people make in life is wrong. If you're in your mid to late 20's or higher & working for minimum wage you have no one to blame but yourself. You're poor choices should not result in a 10.00 Big Mac or 4 dollar fry.

so you pick a meme and think that's a truth?

reality: if you work 40 hours a week, you should be able to afford, food, shelter medicine and education.

Reality: if you work 40 hours a week, and can't afford food, shelter, medicine, and education (and coherent punctuation), that's on YOU, not your employer.

Actually it's on the greedy new b******* GOP and their dupes like you... Every other modern country has living wage a month paid vacation free healthcare cheap daycare pay parental leave. You are a brainwashed functional moron.

That’s why the countries have debt far too large to ever pay off,, just like us. And Europe depends on our military instead of paying for their own... the dead beats they are.

Actually their debt like ours is mainly due to having to bail out their economies when W bush and you idiots destroyed the world economy through shear corruption and greed.

 

[Rustic]

View attachment 164037

Even McDonald's acknowledges that their business was intended for children.
Holding businesses that are created with the employment of kids & college students responsible for the poor choices people make in life is wrong. If you're in your mid to late 20's or higher & working for minimum wage you have no one to blame but yourself. You're poor choices should not result in a 10.00 Big Mac or 4 dollar fry.

so you pick a meme and think that's a truth?

reality: if you work 40 hours a week, you should be able to afford, food, shelter medicine and education.

Reality: if you work 40 hours a week, and can't afford food, shelter, medicine, and education (and coherent punctuation), that's on YOU, not your employer.

Actually it's on the greedy new b******* GOP and their dupes like you... Every other modern country has living wage a month paid vacation free healthcare cheap daycare pay parental leave. You are a brainwashed functional moron.

That’s why the countries have debt far too large to ever pay off,, just like us. And Europe depends on our military instead of paying for their own... the dead beats they are.

Actually their debt like ours is mainly due to having to bail out their economies when W bush and you idiots destroyed the world economy through shear corruption and greed.

That was a pocket change compared to a fucked up socialist entitlement programs that we get nothing out of.