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Ask yourself why so many accepted the risks and even death for following Jesus. There was faith in the hearsay and sharing of details among peoplw for it to be considered trustworthy. We can only apply our emperical approach today.as science has evolved, the people of their day used as reliable a system as they oould create at the time and they were convinced accordingly.Not according to the Biblical story
Jesus was a political execution
Pontious Pilate even offered the crowd a choice of who gets executed. This was a way to cover his ass for executing a political threat. I didn’t execute him, the crowd demanded it.
You would think that he would have documented the trial and his offer to the crowd.
Ask yourself why so many accepted the risks and even death for following Jesus. There was faith in the hearsay and sharing of details among peoplw for it to be considered trustworthy. We can only apply our emperical approach today.as science has evolved, the people of their day used as reliable a system as they oould create at the time and they were convinced accordingly.
I am not claiming Jesus existed or didn’t exist
I am just pointing out there is no contemporary documentation of his large crowds, demands that he be prosecuted, trial or execution.
Do you accept the Big Bang Theory that ALL of the matter in the universe was concentrated into a micro sized head-of-a-pin and then exploded to form our current universe? That is some REAL Faith...
Yes I know the bible has an answer for everything even if it contradicts something else said previously.That's a great question. Romans 11 speaks about it.
Again, it offers more questions than answers. where does the universe.go? What is left behind? Is there 'nothingness" and how would that even look"?It's a theory. I don't tell people they're going to go to hell if they don't believe it.
I actually think our universe is just one of a google number of universes in an infinite amount or dark matter. Think of a lava lamp only infinite. So we are but one universe expanding or shrinking in the lamp. We will have a beginning and end. Eventually the last start in our universe will burn out. They say our universe is half way over. So only another 14 billion years to go. Buckle up.
They had a story they were trying to sell and had a motive to exaggerateActually, there are 4 contemporary documents verifying the circumstances, authored by Matthew, Mark, Luke as well as John.
Prayer said. Moving on.Yes I know the bible has an answer for everything even if it contradicts something else said previously.
There is no contemporary evidence for Jesus’ existence or the Bible’s account of his life; no artefacts, dwellings, works of carpentry, self-written manuscripts, court records, eyewitness testimony, official diaries, birth records, reflections on his significance or written disputes about his teachings. Nothing survives from the time in which he is said to have lived.
All historical references to Jesus derive from hearsay accounts written decades or centuries after his supposed death. These historical references generally refer to early Christians rather than a historical Jesus and, in some cases, directly contradict the Gospels or were deliberately manufactured.
The Gospels themselves contradict one-another [2] on many key events and were constructed by unknown authors up to a century after the events they describe are said to have occurred. They are not eyewitness accounts. The New Testament, as a whole, contains many internal inconsistencies as a result of its piecemeal construction and is factually incorrect on several historical claims, such as the early existence of Nazareth, the reign of Herod and the Roman census. Like the Old Testament, it too has had entire books and sections redacted.
The Biblical account of Jesus has striking similarities with other mythologies and texts and many of his supposed teachings existed prior to his time. It is likely the character was either partly or entirely invented [2] by competing first century messianic cults from an amalgamation of Greco-Roman, Egyptian and Judeo-Apocalyptic myths and prophecies.
Even if Jesus’ existence could be established, this would in no way validate Christian theology or any element of the story portrayed in the Bible, such as the performance of miracles or the resurrection. Simply because it is conceivable a heretical Jewish preacher named Yeshua lived circa 30 AD, had followers and was executed, does not imply the son of a god walked the Earth at that time.
The motivation for belief in a divine, salvational Jesus breaks down when you accept evolution:
“Now, if the book of Genesis is an allegory, then sin is an allegory, the Fall is an allegory and the need for a Savior is an allegory – but if we are all descendants of an allegory, where does that leave us? It destroys the foundation of all Christian doctrine—it destroys the foundation of the gospel.” – Ken Ham
See also: Evidence for Jesus, Did Jesus Exist? [2][3], Why I am not a Christian (a must read), the Christological Argument, Hitchens – Core of the Jesus myth and Christianity is Immoral (both must watch).
“Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.” – Anonymous
Right. And the best answer until we know is, we don't know. Do I know the big bang happened and that's how we got here? No. We know so little. But I'm certainly not going to go with what our ancestors concluded or made up.Again, it offers more questions than answers. where does the universe.go? What is left behind? Is there 'nothingness" and how would that even look"?
Here is a newspaper from back then. It was dug up somewhere in the middle eastThey had a story they were trying to sell and had a motive to exaggerate
There were no contemporary reports of Jesus or reports that confirm some of the stories in the Bible
Anyone who drew the crowds Jesus is claimed to draw would have drawn attention of the Romans.
The original 11 did write bibles and they passed them around but paper back then was weak and they didn't survive. So people re wrote the bible, and re wrote the bible, and re wrote it. Sometimes editing it when the times have changed.It is similar to Joseph Smith and the Book of Mormon
He claims an angel showed him golden tablets and how to read them.
If we could actually see the tablets, it would help to verify his story. But they magically disappeared and we have to take his word on it.
Same applies to Christianity
That's not Jesus, that's one of many figures used for his image. The only christ in the Pilate era was Theudas by the Jordan, the Galilean tax revolter in Herod & *Lysanias era was Yehuda, & the son of Mary Yeshu was a figure in 100bc Janneaus era (widows mite coin is a Jannaeus coin).Incorrect.
The Roman historian and senator Tacitus referred to Jesus, his execution by Pontius Pilate, and the existence of early Christians in Rome in his final work, Annals (written ca. AD 116), book 15, chapter 44.[1]
Tacitus on Jesus - Wikipedia
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And the created character is writren to warn; "you can't self testify", so that becomes problematic because all placement into history and even scripture fulfillment is all self testimony.It is similar to Joseph Smith and the Book of Mormon
He claims an angel showed him golden tablets and how to read them.
If we could actually see the tablets, it would help to verify his story. But they magically disappeared and we have to take his word on it.
Same applies to Christianity
and the existence of early Christians in Rome in his final work, Annals (written ca. AD 116), book 15, chapter 44.[1]
Written AD 116 over 50 years after the Crucifixion
Means is was hearsay that acknowledges early Christianity.
I was referring to a contemporaneous reference to Jesus from Romans at that time
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He still was not a contemporary of Jesus reporting events as they happened.Tactitus was a contemporary Roman Senator and Historian born in 56 AD. - his works are validated to be accurate by every reputable historian. And almost everything (including Roman History itself) from that time period would have likely been written years after the fact.
The Annals (Latin: Annales) by Roman historian and senator Tacitus[1] is a history of the Roman Empire from the reign of Tiberius to that of Nero, the years AD 14–68.[2] The Annals are an important source for modern understanding of the history of the Roman Empire during the 1st century AD;[3] it is Tacitus' final work, and modern historians generally consider it his greatest writing.[4] Historian Ronald Mellor calls it "Tacitus's crowning achievement", which represents the "pinnacle of Roman historical writing".
Modern scholars believe that as a Roman senator, Tacitus had access to Acta Senatus—the Roman senate's records—which provided a solid basis for his work
Annals (Tacitus) - Wikipedia
But there's more than a myriad of sources linking Christians to Rome at the time. The Emperor Nero blamed Christians for starting the fire in Rome in 64 AD - which is one of the major reasons it's difficult to get primary accounts for a good amount of Roman history from that time period because a lot of it was destroyed during the fire.
Nero
Nero was Roman emperor from 54 to 68 CE. The last of the Julio-Claudian emperors to rule the Roman Empire, his 14-year reign represents everything decadent about that period in Roman history. He was...
There's also the account of the historian Josephus. Josephus wrote all of his surviving works after his establishment in Rome (c. AD 71) under the patronage of the Flavian Emperor Vespasian.
Modern scholarship has largely acknowledged the authenticity of the second reference to Jesus in the Antiquities, found in Book 20, Chapter 9, which mentions "the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, whose name was James."[7]
Almost all modern scholars consider the reference in Book 18, Chapter 5 of the Antiquities to the imprisonment and death of John the Baptist also to be authentic and not a Christian interpolation.[11] A number of differences exist between the statements by Josephus regarding the death of John the Baptist and the New Testament accounts.[12] Scholars generally view these variations as indications that the Josephus passages are not interpolations, since a Christian interpolator would likely have made them correspond to the New Testament accounts, not differ from them.[13]
Josephus on Jesus - Wikipedia
And other Roman historians that are considered valid sources from that time period also speak about Christians:
RLST 92: Earliest Roman Sources on Christianity
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That's not Jesus, that's one of many figures used for his image. The only christ in the Pilate era was Theudas by the Jordan, the Galilean tax revolter in Herod & *Lysanias era was Yehuda, & the son of Mary Yeshu was a figure in 100bc Janneaus era (widows mite coin is a Jannaeus coin).
*Lysanias in The Jesus acct is the red flag, because he ruled Abilene from c. 40 B.C.E until he was executed in 36 B.C.E by Mark Antony, about 60 years before the NT date for him & Tiberias and about 30 years before the supposed birth of Jesus!
He still was not a contemporary of Jesus reporting events as they happened.
He is just documenting the rise of early Christianity
Heresay
Historians may document things…..after the factNo, not heresy. That's exactly how Roman history is written. If you consider it heresy, then everything written about the Roman Empire is "heresy". It was all written after the fact. Even modern historians write "after the fact" They base their writings on documents that they had available at the time. Jesus and early Christianity were considered a cult during Roman times. The fact that they were mentioned at all at all speaks volumes.
But if you choose to believe conspiracy theories that copy and paste events, over validated sources, by all means do. Have fun going down that rabbit hole.
Correct. And Tacitus got his facts from records at the time.Historians may document things…..after the fact
But they get their facts from records of that time
Stories that have been repeated over and over lose that credibility
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