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I don't consider waterboarding, being made to stand for hours, sleep deprivation or any of that other "torture" to be torture.
Pulling out fingernails, hooking someone balls up to a battery, beating them with barbed wire and enduring what McCain endured in Vietnam now thats torture.
I think most of you who are against the use of EIT's are a bunch of idiots.
I suppose you think we should just ask nicely and hope the prisoners decide to tell us what we want to know so we can save American lives?
Sure glad I don't have to depend on you idiots to protect me cause baby would I be out of luck as would all of America.
I would add that reading liberal posts here is a torture.
In Sweden and Australia prison cells are being painted in pink. Now, that's a torture.
Then don't. No one is forcing you to.
Don't be fooled - this isn't about protecting "our future." THAT would include honoring and sacrificing to preserve the ideals and principles that make America a beacon to the world.
This is all about protecting the hide of bedwetters who shit on the sacrifices that others have made to protect American values in order to create an illusion of security for themselves and their own quivering asses.
It's a fine line when one of the things we value is a free and open society - how far are people really willing to go, and sacrifice those freedoms, in order to have "security"?
Most of the time - like the internment of the Japanese, people are perfectly willing to sacrifice the rights and freedoms of "others" - as long as it's not their own. Same with torture - it doesn't matter that information can be gained another way, or that the people being tortured may or may not have done anything wrong - they aren't "us" so we're willing to sacrifice them thinking it will make us safer because we're afraid.
There's been a huge upsurge in school shootings and random gun violence - should the rights of gun owners be sacrificed for public safety?
You don't understand.
Stopping these barbarians IS PROTECTING OUR FREEDOMS.
Here's a test. Go to Iraq. Start shouting at the top of your lungs a love for Jesus. Report back.
What does your Iraq stuff have to do with America? Are you saying you want America to be MORE like that? Or that demonstrates the American values that so many AMERICANS have died to preserve?
Look - you're scared. I get it. But man up and take a stand for AMERICA and what WE value - not Iraq.
Man up? Give me a freaking break. War is hell.
Deal with that
What a coward.
Thank God our country was founded and has been protected by people made of sterner stuff.
You don't protect America by turning it into Iraq!
It only takes one? You think all the bad guys are within range of one nuke? Ok, what would you pick as Ground Zero? And why?What is your suggestion for Ground Zero?You don't understand.
Stopping these barbarians IS PROTECTING OUR FREEDOMS.
Here's a test. Go to Iraq. Start shouting at the top of your lungs a love for Jesus. Report back.
There is a huge difference between us and Iraq.
Should we act like Iraq in order to protect our freedoms?
How far are you willing to go?
It's been answered
If it takes nuking the barbarians......
Proceed
It only takes one. Do I get to pick it?
Believe me......
I'd be happy to
"“Should any American soldier be so base and infamous as to injure any [prisoner]. . . I do most earnestly enjoin you to bring him to such severe and exemplary punishment as the enormity of the crime may require."
- George Washington, Sept. 14, 1775
If we could defeat the most potent military force on the planet at the time with a bunch of farmers and shopkeepers - WITHOUT TORTURE, then what makes you think today's U.S. military is incapable of defeating some well-funded street gangs without using it.
Man, you folks must have an extremely low opinion of the U.S. Armed Forces.
(Grow a pair Pops, you'll feel better about yourself)
How would you manage that logistically?Let's preserve America for people who love America and appreciate the ideals and values that make us great.
Let's preserve America.....ban Liberals.
She means re-education camps, of course.How would you manage that logistically?Let's preserve America for people who love America and appreciate the ideals and values that make us great.
Let's preserve America.....ban Liberals.
Through education.
1. None of the methods used rise to the level of 'torture.'
2. "The Constitution is not a suicide pact"
3. For comparison....this is torture:
From “Magnifico: The Brilliant Life and Violent Times of Lorenzo De Medici,” by Miles Unger, p. 227-228.
"An incident recorded by the diarist Luca Landucci vividly illustrated the dangers awaiting those who threatened bodily harm to the leading citizens of the regime:
27th September [1481]. A certain hermit came to the house of Lorenzo de’ Medici at the Poggio a Caiano; and the servants declared that he intended to murder Lorenzo, so they took him and sent him to the Bargello, and he was put to the rack.
15th October. This hermit died at Santa Maria Novella, having been tortured in various ways. It was said that they skinned the soles of his feet, and then burnt them by holding them in the fire till the fat dripped off them; after which they set him upright and made him walk across the hall; and these things caused his death. Opinions were divided as to whether he were guilty or innocent."
You're in denial. Of course we torture. Meh. So what. Don't pretend we don't and move on.
I see you've memorized the bumper-sticker of the America-haters.
People who embrace torture hate America
Good thing America doesn't torture, huh.
We didn't used to.....There was a time when America stood on the moral high ground
How quickly we gave that up
She means re-education camps, of course.How would you manage that logistically?Let's preserve America for people who love America and appreciate the ideals and values that make us great.
Let's preserve America.....ban Liberals.
Through education.
You're in denial. Of course we torture. Meh. So what. Don't pretend we don't and move on.
I see you've memorized the bumper-sticker of the America-haters.
People who embrace torture hate America
Good thing America doesn't torture, huh.
We didn't used to.....There was a time when America stood on the moral high ground
How quickly we gave that up
Timeline on that?
Ya' mean since Woodrow Wilson suggested we shed the Constitution....or when FDR ended obedience to it?
OY VEY! What we have here are weenies who never even had a man card to turn in....talk about voyeurism....you leftists are into being tortured! The thought of it gives ya goose bumps....think for a second who always comes up with the most gruesome punishments for their imaginary enemies on the right wing....gets em all tingly.....what a pack of freaks.
How far are you willing to go in "DOING WHATEVER IT TAKES TO PROTECT OUR FUTURE"?
Don't be fooled - this isn't about protecting "our future." THAT would include honoring and sacrificing to preserve the ideals and principles that make America a beacon to the world.
This is all about protecting the hide of bedwetters who shit on the sacrifices that others have made to protect American values in order to create an illusion of security for themselves and their own quivering asses.
It's a fine line when one of the things we value is a free and open society - how far are people really willing to go, and sacrifice those freedoms, in order to have "security"?
Most of the time - like the internment of the Japanese, people are perfectly willing to sacrifice the rights and freedoms of "others" - as long as it's not their own. Same with torture - it doesn't matter that information can be gained another way, or that the people being tortured may or may not have done anything wrong - they aren't "us" so we're willing to sacrifice them thinking it will make us safer because we're afraid.
There's been a huge upsurge in school shootings and random gun violence - should the rights of gun owners be sacrificed for public safety?
You don't understand.
Stopping these barbarians IS PROTECTING OUR FREEDOMS.
Here's a test. Go to Iraq. Start shouting at the top of your lungs a love for Jesus. Report back.
There is a huge difference between us and Iraq.
Should we act like Iraq in order to protect our freedoms?
How far are you willing to go?
It's been answered
If it takes nuking the barbarians......
Proceed
I see you've memorized the bumper-sticker of the America-haters.
People who embrace torture hate America
Good thing America doesn't torture, huh.
We didn't used to.....There was a time when America stood on the moral high ground
How quickly we gave that up
Timeline on that?
Ya' mean since Woodrow Wilson suggested we shed the Constitution....or when FDR ended obedience to it?
Wilson engaged in torture?
You must have him confused with Bush/Cheney
We didn't used to.....There was a time when America stood on the moral high ground
How quickly we gave that up
