bodecea
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Nope....I'm just not into self-delusion like you are. We torture. So what? They probably deserve it.Sure we would. Let's just not pretend that it isn't torture. Let's just not pretend that we as a country are any better than them.That's the typical demand (usually posted in the form of a "ticking time bomb" and it is an unanswerable question because in real life (not hypothetical scenarios) - it isn't that clear cut at all.
It's been shown that torture isn't usually necessary to gain good information (Secret WWII camp interrogators say torture wasn t needed - CBS News nor does torture gain useful or accurate information. So if I choose to employ torture on an individual who might (or might not) have knowledge that could help save those children I *might* get useful information but - more likely, given what we've found about torture - I *might not*. In that case - valuable time and resources could be lost chasing a phantom and the children could end up dead anyway.
No I would not since there are other means at my disposal.
Stop tap-dancing: yes or no.
...if you could save the 80-90 children slaughtered by the savages, would you have acquiesced to the enhanced interrogations?
1. None of the methods used rise to the level of 'torture.'
2. "The Constitution is not a suicide pact"
3. For comparison....this is torture:
From “Magnifico: The Brilliant Life and Violent Times of Lorenzo De Medici,” by Miles Unger, p. 227-228.
"An incident recorded by the diarist Luca Landucci vividly illustrated the dangers awaiting those who threatened bodily harm to the leading citizens of the regime:
27th September [1481]. A certain hermit came to the house of Lorenzo de’ Medici at the Poggio a Caiano; and the servants declared that he intended to murder Lorenzo, so they took him and sent him to the Bargello, and he was put to the rack.
15th October. This hermit died at Santa Maria Novella, having been tortured in various ways. It was said that they skinned the soles of his feet, and then burnt them by holding them in the fire till the fat dripped off them; after which they set him upright and made him walk across the hall; and these things caused his death. Opinions were divided as to whether he were guilty or innocent."
You're in denial. Of course we torture. Meh. So what. Don't pretend we don't and move on.
I see you've memorized the bumper-sticker of the America-haters.