"Torture"???

[PoliticalChic]

One news organization has reported that the second terrorist has been surrouonded.

I sure hope so.



Just yesterday, one of our resident hand-wringers posted that some group claimed Bush had used torture.

If they have this beast.....I fervently hope that every one of the so-called 'torture procedures' used by President Bush is used to track down every member of his cell-network of savages.



Recall this:
[Rep. Dan] Lungren [(R., CA) and the state's former attorney general] then switched gears to a line of questioning aimed at clarifying the Obama Justice Department’s definition of torture. In one of the rare times he gave a straight answer, Holder stated at the hearing that in his view waterboarding is torture. Lundgren asked if it was the Justice Department’s position that Navy SEALS subjected to waterboarding as part of their training were being tortured.

Holder: No, it’s not torture in the legal sense because you’re not doing it with the intention of harming these people physically or mentally, all we’re trying to do is train them —

Lungren: So it’s the question of intent?
http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=117666&styleid=[b]2[/b]

 

[Mad Scientist]

One news organization has reported that the second terrorist has been surrouonded.
I sure hope so.

Just yesterday, one of our resident hand-wringers posted that some group claimed Bush had used torture.

If they have this beast.....I fervently hope that every one of the so-called 'torture procedures' used by President Bush is used to track down every member of his cell-network of savages.

You just lost any moral authority you had.

Torture is used by Lawless, Third World, Dictator run countries. Besides, Bush admitted to torture, it's a fact. Bush: "A Lawyer said it was legal". That's what an idiot who cares not a whit about Due Process or the Constitution says.
Watch George W. Bush Admits He Authorized Torture | Center for Constitutional Rights Episodes | Learning Videos | Blip

Yeah, it's fun to imagine chaining an accused child molester up and going to work on him with a baseball bat like in the movie "Inglorious Basterds", but we have a Constitution and People have Rights. Unlike in other countries.

I'll bet you would confess to anything if you were being tortured.

 

[Wildman]

some asshole wrote:

You just lost any moral authority you had.

PoliticalChic.., you have many of us patriots on your side, i pretty much said the same thing on another post in this forum, i agree with you.

LIARBERALS..., please pay attention.., find a brain, any brain will do simply because you have none of your own, a doctor like Dr. Gosnell may have removed your GOD given brain.

 

[PoliticalChic]

One news organization has reported that the second terrorist has been surrouonded.
I sure hope so.

Just yesterday, one of our resident hand-wringers posted that some group claimed Bush had used torture.

If they have this beast.....I fervently hope that every one of the so-called 'torture procedures' used by President Bush is used to track down every member of his cell-network of savages.

You just lost any moral authority you had.

Torture is used by Lawless, Third World, Dictator run countries. Besides, Bush admitted to torture, it's a fact. Bush: "A Lawyer said it was legal". That's what an idiot who cares not a whit about Due Process or the Constitution says.
Watch George W. Bush Admits He Authorized Torture | Center for Constitutional Rights Episodes | Learning Videos | Blip

Yeah, it's fun to imagine chaining an accused child molester up and going to work on him with a baseball bat like in the movie "Inglorious Basterds", but we have a Constitution and People have Rights. Unlike in other countries.

I'll bet you would confess to anything if you were being tortured.

Moral authority is in the eye of the beholder.

As is the definition of torture.

None of the procedures used by the Bush administration was torture in this sense:

From “Magnifico: The Brilliant Life and Violent Times of Lorenzo De Medici,” by Miles Unger, p. 227-228.

"An incident recorded by the diarist Luca Landucci vividly illustrated the dangers awaiting those who threatened bodily harm to the leading citizens of the regime:
27th September [1481]. A certain hermit came to the house of Lorenzo de’ Medici at the Poggio a Caiano; and the servants declared that he intended to murder Lorenzo, so they took him and sent him to the Bargello, and he was put to the rack.
15th October. This hermit died at Santa Maria Novella, having been tortured in various ways. It was said that they skinned the soles of his feet, and then burnt them by holding them in the fire till the fat dripped off them; after which they set him upright and made him walk across the hall; and these things caused his death. Opinions were divided as to whether he were guilty or innocent."


I used the term 'torture' in the title both in the colloquial...and to get your attention. Which was accomplished.

I challenge you to give examples of torture in the above sense, use by the Bush administration.

Go ahead.


I will repeat: I demand each and every Bush-procedure, 'torture,' be used on each and every terrorist.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Those who espouse torture as official policy have crossed the line.

They do not hold American values of decency and honor.

Since they are not "American" in value, why talk to them? Simply ignore them.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

One news organization has reported that the second terrorist has been surrouonded.

I sure hope so.



Just yesterday, one of our resident hand-wringers posted that some group claimed Bush had used torture.

If they have this beast.....I fervently hope that every one of the so-called 'torture procedures' used by President Bush is used to track down every member of his cell-network of savages.



Recall this:
[Rep. Dan] Lungren [(R., CA) and the state's former attorney general] then switched gears to a line of questioning aimed at clarifying the Obama Justice Department’s definition of torture. In one of the rare times he gave a straight answer, Holder stated at the hearing that in his view waterboarding is torture. Lundgren asked if it was the Justice Department’s position that Navy SEALS subjected to waterboarding as part of their training were being tortured.

Holder: No, it’s not torture in the legal sense because you’re not doing it with the intention of harming these people physically or mentally, all we’re trying to do is train them —

Lungren: So it’s the question of intent?
http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=117666&styleid=[b]2[/b]

There's, as yet, no evidence that these two have anything to do with a terrorist cell, and that would violate the idea of cruel and unusual punishment. Not to mention they've yet to even have a trial to ascertain their guilt at all.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

some asshole wrote:

You just lost any moral authority you had.

PoliticalChic.., you have many of us patriots on your side, i pretty much said the same thing on another post in this forum, i agree with you.

LIARBERALS..., please pay attention.., find a brain, any brain will do simply because you have none of your own, a doctor like Dr. Gosnell may have removed your GOD given brain.

So "patriots" want to subvert the rule of law? Interesting.

 

[Redfish]

some asshole wrote:

You just lost any moral authority you had.

PoliticalChic.., you have many of us patriots on your side, i pretty much said the same thing on another post in this forum, i agree with you.

LIARBERALS..., please pay attention.., find a brain, any brain will do simply because you have none of your own, a doctor like Dr. Gosnell may have removed your GOD given brain.

So "patriots" want to subvert the rule of law? Interesting.

Right, I guess you would read them miranda rights, give them free lawyers, and allow them media time to air their "grievances" against the USA?

No one said to waterboard them, although that might get some valuable information. but we should find out if there is a broader network behind this. Its about saving american lives, fool.

 

[Mad Scientist]

Right, I guess you would read them miranda rights, give them free lawyers, and allow them media time to air their "grievances" against the USA?

You mean like any other Defendant?

Yes.

Are you afraid of the having the US Governments Dirty Laundry aired in Public?

Not me.

 

[Mad Scientist]

I challenge you to give examples of torture in the above sense, use by the Bush administration.

Go ahead.

I don't have to use your example. I only need George Bush's own words: "A Lawyer said it was Legal so it was."

Being the President doesn't make it legal no matter what Nixon said.

I'll bet even George Bush doesn't know what specific methods were used, but he DOES know that torture WAS used.

Now let's get Bush and Obama in Court to defend themselves.

If you love America, it's Freedoms and the Constitution then you'll agree it's what needs to be done.

Redeem yourself PC.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

some asshole wrote:


PoliticalChic.., you have many of us patriots on your side, i pretty much said the same thing on another post in this forum, i agree with you.

LIARBERALS..., please pay attention.., find a brain, any brain will do simply because you have none of your own, a doctor like Dr. Gosnell may have removed your GOD given brain.

So "patriots" want to subvert the rule of law? Interesting.

Right, I guess you would read them miranda rights, give them free lawyers, and allow them media time to air their "grievances" against the USA?

No one said to waterboard them, although that might get some valuable information. but we should find out if there is a broader network behind this. Its about saving american lives, fool.

I would give them a speedy and public trial, as mandated by the United States Constitution.

Actually, PoliticalChic certainly implied that they ought to be water-boarded.

 

[Old Rocks]

One news organization has reported that the second terrorist has been surrouonded.

I sure hope so.



Just yesterday, one of our resident hand-wringers posted that some group claimed Bush had used torture.

If they have this beast.....I fervently hope that every one of the so-called 'torture procedures' used by President Bush is used to track down every member of his cell-network of savages.



Recall this:
[Rep. Dan] Lungren [(R., CA) and the state's former attorney general] then switched gears to a line of questioning aimed at clarifying the Obama Justice Department’s definition of torture. In one of the rare times he gave a straight answer, Holder stated at the hearing that in his view waterboarding is torture. Lundgren asked if it was the Justice Department’s position that Navy SEALS subjected to waterboarding as part of their training were being tortured.

Holder: No, it’s not torture in the legal sense because you’re not doing it with the intention of harming these people physically or mentally, all we’re trying to do is train them —

Lungren: So it’s the question of intent?
http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=117666&styleid=[b]2[/b]

Oh get off it. Bush engaged in torture and dragged the flag of this nation through mud.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Those who espouse torture as official policy have crossed the line.

They do not hold American values of decency and honor.

Since they are not "American" in value, why talk to them? Simply ignore them.

1. Do you know what the prime directive of the government is?

Good....protect the citizenry.

Now let's quibble about your whiny pantywaist definition of torture.



2. I challenge you to name any procedure used by the Bush administration that was 'torture.'

I use the definition used by Justice Potter vis-a-vis pornography.


Go for it, Jakal.....I double-dog-dare 'ya.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Those who espouse torture as official policy have crossed the line.

They do not hold American values of decency and honor.

Since they are not "American" in value, why talk to them? Simply ignore them.

1. Do you know what the prime directive of the government is?

Good....protect the citizenry.

Now let's quibble about your whiny pantywaist definition of torture.



2. I challenge you to name any procedure used by the Bush administration that was 'torture.'

I use the definition used by Justice Potter vis-a-vis pornography.


Go for it, Jakal.....I double-dog-dare 'ya.

I'm pretty sure it's to protect the liberty of the citizenry, actually.

 

[PoliticalChic]

One news organization has reported that the second terrorist has been surrouonded.

I sure hope so.



Just yesterday, one of our resident hand-wringers posted that some group claimed Bush had used torture.

If they have this beast.....I fervently hope that every one of the so-called 'torture procedures' used by President Bush is used to track down every member of his cell-network of savages.



Recall this:
[Rep. Dan] Lungren [(R., CA) and the state's former attorney general] then switched gears to a line of questioning aimed at clarifying the Obama Justice Department’s definition of torture. In one of the rare times he gave a straight answer, Holder stated at the hearing that in his view waterboarding is torture. Lundgren asked if it was the Justice Department’s position that Navy SEALS subjected to waterboarding as part of their training were being tortured.

Holder: No, it’s not torture in the legal sense because you’re not doing it with the intention of harming these people physically or mentally, all we’re trying to do is train them —

Lungren: So it’s the question of intent?
http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=117666&styleid=[b]2[/b]

There's, as yet, no evidence that these two have anything to do with a terrorist cell, and that would violate the idea of cruel and unusual punishment. Not to mention they've yet to even have a trial to ascertain their guilt at all.

"There's, as yet, no evidence that these two have anything to do with a terrorist cell,..."

Please....don't pretend to be a dunce.


"As police picked up the chase, the car's occupants threw explosives out the windows and shot at officers, according to the district attorney's office.
Officers fired back, wounding Tamerlan Tsarnaev. He later died at Beth Israel Hospital. A source briefed on the investigation says Tsarnaev was wearing explosives and an explosive trigger when his body was recovered."
Bombing manhunt locks down Boston - CNN.com

 

[PoliticalChic]

some asshole wrote:


PoliticalChic.., you have many of us patriots on your side, i pretty much said the same thing on another post in this forum, i agree with you.

LIARBERALS..., please pay attention.., find a brain, any brain will do simply because you have none of your own, a doctor like Dr. Gosnell may have removed your GOD given brain.

So "patriots" want to subvert the rule of law? Interesting.

Right, I guess you would read them miranda rights, give them free lawyers, and allow them media time to air their "grievances" against the USA?

No one said to waterboard them, although that might get some valuable information. but we should find out if there is a broader network behind this. Its about saving american lives, fool.

"No one said to waterboard them,...."

That's true.....

....I said only to the live one.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

One news organization has reported that the second terrorist has been surrouonded.

I sure hope so.



Just yesterday, one of our resident hand-wringers posted that some group claimed Bush had used torture.

If they have this beast.....I fervently hope that every one of the so-called 'torture procedures' used by President Bush is used to track down every member of his cell-network of savages.



Recall this:
[Rep. Dan] Lungren [(R., CA) and the state's former attorney general] then switched gears to a line of questioning aimed at clarifying the Obama Justice Department’s definition of torture. In one of the rare times he gave a straight answer, Holder stated at the hearing that in his view waterboarding is torture. Lundgren asked if it was the Justice Department’s position that Navy SEALS subjected to waterboarding as part of their training were being tortured.

Holder: No, it’s not torture in the legal sense because you’re not doing it with the intention of harming these people physically or mentally, all we’re trying to do is train them —

Lungren: So it’s the question of intent?
http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=117666&styleid=[b]2[/b]

There's, as yet, no evidence that these two have anything to do with a terrorist cell, and that would violate the idea of cruel and unusual punishment. Not to mention they've yet to even have a trial to ascertain their guilt at all.

"There's, as yet, no evidence that these two have anything to do with a terrorist cell,..."

Please....don't pretend to be a dunce.


"As police picked up the chase, the car's occupants threw explosives out the windows and shot at officers, according to the district attorney's office.
Officers fired back, wounding Tamerlan Tsarnaev. He later died at Beth Israel Hospital. A source briefed on the investigation says Tsarnaev was wearing explosives and an explosive trigger when his body was recovered."
Bombing manhunt locks down Boston - CNN.com

Yes, and that perfectly encapsulates exactly what I said. There's no evidence that these two are working with a terrorist cell. Lone wolves can use explosives as well.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I challenge you to give examples of torture in the above sense, use by the Bush administration.

Go ahead.

I don't have to use your example. I only need George Bush's own words: "A Lawyer said it was Legal so it was."

Being the President doesn't make it legal no matter what Nixon said.

I'll bet even George Bush doesn't know what specific methods were used, but he DOES know that torture WAS used.

Now let's get Bush and Obama in Court to defend themselves.

If you love America, it's Freedoms and the Constitution then you'll agree it's what needs to be done.

Redeem yourself PC.

There was no torture....as you have admitted by being unable to point to any.

Man up.

I want every member of his associations, his cell, rounded up before any more 8-year olds are killed, or any innocents lose their limbs.

Nor could I care less what that does to your sensibilities.


Oh...and one more thing: when found guilty, I want the death sentence carried out by blowing off his appendages.

 

[PoliticalChic]

One news organization has reported that the second terrorist has been surrouonded.

I sure hope so.



Just yesterday, one of our resident hand-wringers posted that some group claimed Bush had used torture.

If they have this beast.....I fervently hope that every one of the so-called 'torture procedures' used by President Bush is used to track down every member of his cell-network of savages.



Recall this:
[Rep. Dan] Lungren [(R., CA) and the state's former attorney general] then switched gears to a line of questioning aimed at clarifying the Obama Justice Department’s definition of torture. In one of the rare times he gave a straight answer, Holder stated at the hearing that in his view waterboarding is torture. Lundgren asked if it was the Justice Department’s position that Navy SEALS subjected to waterboarding as part of their training were being tortured.

Holder: No, it’s not torture in the legal sense because you’re not doing it with the intention of harming these people physically or mentally, all we’re trying to do is train them —

Lungren: So it’s the question of intent?
http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=117666&styleid=[b]2[/b]

Oh get off it. Bush engaged in torture and dragged the flag of this nation through mud.

Name one, dummy.

 

[PoliticalChic]

There's, as yet, no evidence that these two have anything to do with a terrorist cell, and that would violate the idea of cruel and unusual punishment. Not to mention they've yet to even have a trial to ascertain their guilt at all.

"There's, as yet, no evidence that these two have anything to do with a terrorist cell,..."

Please....don't pretend to be a dunce.


"As police picked up the chase, the car's occupants threw explosives out the windows and shot at officers, according to the district attorney's office.
Officers fired back, wounding Tamerlan Tsarnaev. He later died at Beth Israel Hospital. A source briefed on the investigation says Tsarnaev was wearing explosives and an explosive trigger when his body was recovered."
Bombing manhunt locks down Boston - CNN.com

Yes, and that perfectly encapsulates exactly what I said. There's no evidence that these two are working with a terrorist cell. Lone wolves can use explosives as well.

1. I provided evidence.

2.Want more?
A couple of minutes under the water faucet'll do the trick.