Transgender badass challenges Trump.

[Correll]

He's clearly mentally ill. Challenging a 71 year old man to a fight doesn't make you any less mentally ill.

A verbal altercation would be nice to see on television between Trump and Kris.

As Trump is a professional at that, you could only want that if you were planning to pretend that something about Kris made him untouchable.


Which is bullshit.

Trump is NOT professional. He is a charlatan who can't even believe he is president. A draft dodging pussy like Trump would pee his pants if he had to be on stage with Kris. How dare he say who can or cannot serve when he had the chance to serve his country and wouldn't?

He is getting a paycheck based on his ability to handle that type of confrontation. And his winning against 16 primary opponents and then Hillary, shows that he is world class at it.


There is NO WAY, that you would want a representative of yours going up against him, unless you are planning ahead of time to declare said rep to be "untouchable" for some bullshit reason.


And then can gin up "outrage" over the fact that Trump crushed your boy, like the little girl he wants to be.

The Trump campaign was a circus from start to finish. He didn't even expect to win but the media kept giving him far more air time than they did his competitors. Hie took advantage of that by providing entertainment instead of substance. Along the way, his stupidity proved to be right in line with the majority of RW white males who were still seething over Obama's 8 year tenure as president. As one of the the chief "birthers" and critics of Obama, Trump became an infallible icon who would "make America Great White again."
Had the media playing field been even, Trump wouldn't have made it past the GOP primaries....just sayiin'

YOur rehashing of lib bs does not change the facts that Trump would crush your boy like a bug, and then you lefties would be all like, "how could he be so mean to a vet/girl".

 

[koshergrl]

And I think you progressive LGBT defenders are playing the same game the bible thumpers did way back when, the same fucking bullshit game /I/ a B fought against in Christian Alaska my entire fucking life. It's the "You will believe and follow our beliefs, under threat of the law" game and it disgusts me. Stop acting like you assholes speak for the entire LGBT community, because you do not.

I am certainly NOT defending the LGBT community. I am defending the integrity of the Constitution which infers treating US citizens equally. I don't consider that an act of liberalism...it's just plain old American.

Er...the constitution doesn't infer that anybody can get into the military.

 

[koshergrl]

Chris Beck was a fearless Navy SEAL, one could even say reckless. "Come out motherf---er!" he would shout to the Taliban as he charged into the caves of Afghanistan. But there was a reason for this. He had been suppressing who he wanted to be for years, which sometimes made him run headlong towards a possible death.

Kristin Beck, a transgender retired Navy SEAL who used to be named Chris, made a splash in the media Wednesday after President Donald Trump announced he would bar transgender people from serving in the military.

"Let's meet face to face and you tell me I'm not worthy," Beck told Business Insider. "Transgender doesn't matter. Do your service."

He/she/it, was not transgender when it was in the Seals. It has a mental problem and is not worthy of being in the military anymore. I'll tell that to his face. Let him hit me and I'll sue his psycho ass.

If he has a mental problem now he had it when he was in service. But you don't object to his being in service as long as he didn't undergo the critical surgery.
It is the actual sex change that you have a problem with, not the mental state...RIGHT?

Where does that reasoning come from?
Maybe he's got a tumor or something now that he didn't have back then, and it has attacked the sexual identity part of his brain, or affected his hormone production or something.

People can develop mental illness. They aren't necessarily born with it, you moron.

 

[mudwhistle]

Some of us more than others.

The sole arbiter of that should be God, not other humans. But having the courage to bring those flaws to light in the face of man and God is admirable. So few are willing to do that; so, we have no way of knowing who is or who is not more flawed than Kris.

The point of this is he proves the reasoning of why he shouldn't be allowed to serve.

Kris has already served before he physically became a transgender. He kept his mental gender identification to himself while he served and apparently didn't exhibit any tendencies to wear women's garb during that time... at least not in public. Obviously he was focused on successfully overcoming his inner feelings so he could continue doing what he loved...being a navy seal.
From that perspective, there were no grounds for anyone to say he should not have been allowed to serve.

Depending on the source, there may be several thousand transgender personnel in the armed forces; some of them openly.
It is the careers of those who are openly transgender that are on the line. But keep in mind that some are mission essential personnel, some have invested years in the military and all have a contract that is about to be broken $$$$! Yes, I put those dollar signs out there for a reason!

He waited till after he left the service to reveal his secret.
A secret that can easily be used to blackmail him into giving away military secrets.

Not after he left the service! He can't be blackmailed now. While he served, he was the picture of Republicanism...a wife,two kids and a job he loved.

But you do raise an interesting question: Will his revelation affect his retirement pay? Should it?

It depends.
Threatening the president is a felony.

Why do you consider what he saiid a threat?

Because when someone challenges me to a fight I consider that a threat.

I can name dozens of my former team members that would love to personally kick that guy's ass just for general purposes.
He had the nerve to serve based on a lie.
We all knew that sucking dick and smoking pot was against regulations.
What he does after he leaves active duty is up to him, but if he wants to start talking trash for political purposes to prop up Democrats and enemies of the White House, I have issues with that.
He is now the posterboy for hypocrisy.
A fraud.

 

[P@triot]

He waited till after he left the service to reveal his secret.
A secret that can easily be used to blackmail him into giving away military secrets.

Not after he left the service! He can't be blackmailed now.

He can't be blackmailed after he left the service? How do you figure? He's still very much aware of classified information: from U.S. weapon systems, to tactical techniques, to operations they were involved in, to locations of enemy facilities, and on and on and on. The Navy Seals have a term: OpSec. It means Operational Security and it includes things like how they operate tactically. This man knows all of that information and can easily be blackmailed.

 

[P@triot]

Worse than that, to consider; how will this affect his family, his wife and his children? I sure hope his children are grown up and on their own; if they are still young, this could really f••• them up.

It's sad how we've become such a selfish, self-centered society thanks to progressives whose message is always "do what feels good". This man had a monumental responsibility to his children to reject his transvestite desires for the sake of his children and wife.

 

[P@triot]

How dare he say who can or cannot serve when he had the chance to serve his country and wouldn't?

He's Commander in Chief. It's his job to say who can and cannot serve. And as always, he's made the right call. There is no room in the U.S. military for the mentally ill. As someone else on this board already stated in this thread - it requires individuals of sound mind and body.

 

[P@triot]

A draft dodging pussy like Trump would pee his pants if he had to be on stage with Kris.

As opposed to Barack Insane Obama - who spent decades in special forces defending this nation around the world?

Oh wait...that's right...Obama was a limp-wristed bi-sexual who spent all of his time snorting cocaine and smoking pot. At least President Trump spent his life 100% clean. He doesn't even drink alcohol. Which is really why all of you progressives hate him.

 

[P@triot]

Trump is NOT professional. He is a charlatan who can't even believe he is president.

Kind of like Barack Insane Obama. A freaking community organizer who woke up one day and said "holy shit...these people actually elected me president" while laughing.

President Trump spent decades creating jobs, involved in international business deals overseas, negotiating, etc. He's a billion times more qualified to be president than the ghetto community organizer ever was or ever will be.

 

[Manonthestreet]

 

[P@triot]

If he has a mental problem now he had it when he was in service.

Every time a progressive speaks, the world bursts out laughing. How does one wrap their head around such an absurd comment?

A mental health problem - like a physical health problem - can occur at any time. This statement is like saying "if he had a heart attack yesterday, he was having it 10 years ago in combat".

 

[mudwhistle]

Ask yourself if this guy could pass a PT test in the SEALs today after hormone treatments.
Ask yourself if this guy isn't a security risk because somebody might say something that offends him..
Ask yourself if this is good for morale in a high-risk, high-stress job classification.
Also I would like to ask why this guy didn't correct the reporter and state that he was a Senior Chief Petty Officer, not an officer. There's a difference. Being called an officer is an insult to an enlisted man.

 

[PredFan]

Chris Beck was a fearless Navy SEAL, one could even say reckless. "Come out motherf---er!" he would shout to the Taliban as he charged into the caves of Afghanistan. But there was a reason for this. He had been suppressing who he wanted to be for years, which sometimes made him run headlong towards a possible death.

Kristin Beck, a transgender retired Navy SEAL who used to be named Chris, made a splash in the media Wednesday after President Donald Trump announced he would bar transgender people from serving in the military.

"Let's meet face to face and you tell me I'm not worthy," Beck told Business Insider. "Transgender doesn't matter. Do your service."

He/she/it, was not transgender when it was in the Seals. It has a mental problem and is not worthy of being in the military anymore. I'll tell that to his face. Let him hit me and I'll sue his psycho ass.

If he has a mental problem now he had it when he was in service. But you don't object to his being in service as long as he didn't undergo the critical surgery.
It is the actual sex change that you have a problem with, not the mental state...RIGHT?

You don't know that his mental problem didn't start after his service. In fact, you don't know shit.

Transgendered people have a mental illness, those people should not be in the military.

 

[JQPublic1]

Personally, I'm not an advocate of transgenderism. However, an American hero of any stripe deserves praise from all of us. And she was one of the very best. Can you do what she did? Can you pass the test to get into the Navy Seals? Keep in mind that very few can.

I could NOT be suicidal while my comrades are depending on me.

I haven't heard that he ever let his friends down in combat!!

Maybe they were lucky, and despite this guys problems, none of them ever paid a price for it.

I certainly hope that is the case.


Regardless, if the op is correct, it supports the case AGAINST such people in the service.

The op does not support the case AGAINST such people in the service. Are you talking about Chris or Kris? If it's Chris, no one would ever know. Kris, as an open TG would never have joined the military during the era she served as Chris. But, since 2010, openly TG folks have been allowed to join; and, there has not been any serious backlash reported among the troops as a result.

The op claims he was suicidal during combat.

If true, that is the end of the debate. HE should not have been there.

IF he never got any of his comrades hurt or killed with his reckless suicidal behavior, that is a good thing, but not the type of chance that we want to subject our men to.

My point is that, if true, I wouldn't be so quick as to say those suicidal tendencies are standard for all transgender people. As you might have heard, veterans are committing suicide in record numbers these days. And it appears that most of them are average Joes. Don't try and make suicidal tendencies on the battle field solely a transgender issue.

 

[JQPublic1]

A verbal altercation would be nice to see on television between Trump and Kris.

As Trump is a professional at that, you could only want that if you were planning to pretend that something about Kris made him untouchable.


Which is bullshit.

Trump is NOT professional. He is a charlatan who can't even believe he is president. A draft dodging pussy like Trump would pee his pants if he had to be on stage with Kris. How dare he say who can or cannot serve when he had the chance to serve his country and wouldn't?

He is getting a paycheck based on his ability to handle that type of confrontation. And his winning against 16 primary opponents and then Hillary, shows that he is world class at it.


There is NO WAY, that you would want a representative of yours going up against him, unless you are planning ahead of time to declare said rep to be "untouchable" for some bullshit reason.


And then can gin up "outrage" over the fact that Trump crushed your boy, like the little girl he wants to be.

The Trump campaign was a circus from start to finish. He didn't even expect to win but the media kept giving him far more air time than they did his competitors. Hie took advantage of that by providing entertainment instead of substance. Along the way, his stupidity proved to be right in line with the majority of RW white males who were still seething over Obama's 8 year tenure as president. As one of the the chief "birthers" and critics of Obama, Trump became an infallible icon who would "make America Great White again."
Had the media playing field been even, Trump wouldn't have made it past the GOP primaries....just sayiin'

YOur rehashing of lib bs does not change the facts that Trump would crush your boy like a bug, and then you lefties would be all like, "how could he be so mean to a vet/girl".

Judging by the size of his gut, about the only thing Trump could crush is a beer can. BYW sailors ain't no joke when it comes to playing the dozens.

 

[JQPublic1]

And I think you progressive LGBT defenders are playing the same game the bible thumpers did way back when, the same fucking bullshit game /I/ a B fought against in Christian Alaska my entire fucking life. It's the "You will believe and follow our beliefs, under threat of the law" game and it disgusts me. Stop acting like you assholes speak for the entire LGBT community, because you do not.

I am certainly NOT defending the LGBT community. I am defending the integrity of the Constitution which infers treating US citizens equally. I don't consider that an act of liberalism...it's just plain old American.

Er...the constitution doesn't infer that anybody can get into the military.

But it does confer equality before the law and the Declaration of Independence does infer that all men are created equal. The DOI doesn't say women are created equal but you aren't going to get technical about that are you, woman?

 

[JQPublic1]

Chris Beck was a fearless Navy SEAL, one could even say reckless. "Come out motherf---er!" he would shout to the Taliban as he charged into the caves of Afghanistan. But there was a reason for this. He had been suppressing who he wanted to be for years, which sometimes made him run headlong towards a possible death.

Kristin Beck, a transgender retired Navy SEAL who used to be named Chris, made a splash in the media Wednesday after President Donald Trump announced he would bar transgender people from serving in the military.

"Let's meet face to face and you tell me I'm not worthy," Beck told Business Insider. "Transgender doesn't matter. Do your service."

He/she/it, was not transgender when it was in the Seals. It has a mental problem and is not worthy of being in the military anymore. I'll tell that to his face. Let him hit me and I'll sue his psycho ass.

If he has a mental problem now he had it when he was in service. But you don't object to his being in service as long as he didn't undergo the critical surgery.
It is the actual sex change that you have a problem with, not the mental state...RIGHT?

Where does that reasoning come from?
Maybe he's got a tumor or something now that he didn't have back then, and it has attacked the sexual identity part of his brain, or affected his hormone production or something.

People can develop mental illness. They aren't necessarily born with it, you moron.

You need to catch up on this segment of the conversation. I am not the one claiming TG is a mental illness. I tend to believe that is isn't. You are attacking the wrong person.

 

[danielpalos]

She's got her panties in a bunch, eh?

I wouldn't want to oil wrestle her, to see who gets to be on top in the relationship.

 

[JQPublic1]

Some of us more than others.

The sole arbiter of that should be God, not other humans. But having the courage to bring those flaws to light in the face of man and God is admirable. So few are willing to do that; so, we have no way of knowing who is or who is not more flawed than Kris.

The point of this is he proves the reasoning of why he shouldn't be allowed to serve.

Kris has already served before he physically became a transgender. He kept his mental gender identification to himself while he served and apparently didn't exhibit any tendencies to wear women's garb during that time... at least not in public. Obviously he was focused on successfully overcoming his inner feelings so he could continue doing what he loved...being a navy seal.
From that perspective, there were no grounds for anyone to say he should not have been allowed to serve.

Depending on the source, there may be several thousand transgender personnel in the armed forces; some of them openly.
It is the careers of those who are openly transgender that are on the line. But keep in mind that some are mission essential personnel, some have invested years in the military and all have a contract that is about to be broken $$$$! Yes, I put those dollar signs out there for a reason!

He waited till after he left the service to reveal his secret.
A secret that can easily be used to blackmail him into giving away military secrets.

Not after he left the service! He can't be blackmailed now. While he served, he was the picture of Republicanism...a wife,two kids and a job he loved.

But you do raise an interesting question: Will his revelation affect his retirement pay? Should it?

It depends.
Threatening the president is a felony.

Why do you consider what he saiid a threat?

Because when someone challenges me to a fight I consider that a threat.

I can name dozens of my former team members that would love to personally kick that guy's ass just for general purposes.
He had the nerve to serve based on a lie.
We all knew that sucking dick and smoking pot was against regulations.
What he does after he leaves active duty is up to him, but if he wants to start talking trash for political purposes to prop up Democrats and enemies of the White House, I have issues with that.
He is now the posterboy for hypocrisy.
A fraud.

You haven't been following the thread. Kris never challenged Trump to a fist fight. He just wanted Trump to tell him to his face he isn't fit to serve.
I believe he just wanted a chance to defend what he believes is a noble cause for TG prospects wanting to make a career in the military. Some of them, already serving openly, are about to lose the benefit of retirement. Now I must laugh at your accusation that he lied. Really... As I have already explained a while back, Chris was not a flaming fag nor did the op say he engaged in homosexual activities while in uniform. I saw no reference to that in the article but I might have missed it... feel free to point it out if I did. You are just winging it now based on assumptions. But if you can accept the vapid lies of your hero in the White house...and those lies manifest in abundance on a daily basis... how dare you even bring the topic of lying into this conversation. BTW, not all transgenders are homosexuals either before or after their transformation. Besides, there is no question on the entry documents referring to transgender proclivities but there are questions pertaining to homosexual tendencies. If Kris wasn't gay he didn't lie.

 

[JQPublic1]

He waited till after he left the service to reveal his secret.
A secret that can easily be used to blackmail him into giving away military secrets.

Not after he left the service! He can't be blackmailed now.

He can't be blackmailed after he left the service? How do you figure? He's still very much aware of classified information: from U.S. weapon systems, to tactical techniques, to operations they were involved in, to locations of enemy facilities, and on and on and on. The Navy Seals have a term: OpSec. It means Operational Security and it includes things like how they operate tactically. This man knows all of that information and can easily be blackmailed.

How can he be blackmailed when his secret is already out. Go get some coffee and clear your head.