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FDR moved the Pacific Fleet from San Diego to Pearl to intimidate the Japanese. All it did was to move the Pacific Fleet into a place that the Japanese could just barely reach. It still took nearly every modern tanker that Japan had to carry enough fuel to get the KidobButai into range of Pearl and back to Japan.There was no national intelligence agency at the time. It wasn't treason but it was a complicated plan based on a faulty racist opinion of the Japanese war machine. American congress people were no different from the prevailing opinion of the Japanese that they were incapable of producing a plane or a ship that could carry them. Smart Military experts suggested that FDR move his naval base to the mainland but he refused.
I think you mean "land-based aircraft" not "carriers" ???Kindly, the fact that land-based carriers could not cover the entire ocean from 1942 to 1943 nearly took down Britain in the war because of submarine warfare. Most were killed near the shore, because they were safe in the middle of the ocean for a long time.
You truly don't get the usage of carriers were essential to winning the war.
Keep posting, please.
USSR had much of it's industrial capacity displaced East after the German's invaded. That invasion was upon the majority of USSR agricultural turf=food production area, disrupting food supply significantly to that nation. Workers in the armaments factories found themselves going to the front lines to fight the Nazi-Germans.The Axis never had a chance. All three nations put together couldn't match the economic output of the USSR, let alone the British Commonwealth or the USA. Any one of the three could defeat the Axis, the three combined made it a curb-stomp.
The Soviet factory workers were mostly women and children after the factories were moved. Yes, production dropped, for a couple of months, but the factories were producing before the walls and roofs were up. Lend-Lease was important, but not in 1941. British supplies were far more important that year. The worst the Soviets were facing was stalemate because the Germans couldn’t support their army much past Moscow.USSR had much of it's industrial capacity displaced East after the German's invaded. That invasion was upon the majority of USSR agricultural turf=food production area, disrupting food supply significantly to that nation. Workers in the armaments factories found themselves going to the front lines to fight the Nazi-Germans.
In short, without USA "Lend-Lease" in form of trucks and other motor and rail transport, and especially food=grain and 'spam', the Soviets likely would have collapsed by end of 1942, 1943 at latest. USA Lend-Lease offset lost Soviet production and food resources allowing them to continue the fight and eventually prevail.
Similar applies to the UK/Britain which depended upon overseas imports of food and aw materials to keep it's factories going and people feed. Lend-Lease also provide needed convoy escorts and essential weapons ~ armor, aircraft, guns, etc. to keep them in the fight until the USA could enter.
Point is two of those legs of the three depended more than many will acknowledge upon the USA = "Arsenal of Democracy" to provide most of essentials = food, raw material, shipping, weapons, and some technologies in order to not collapse to the Nazis during early years of the war and then join in on the ultimate victory.
Nazi Germany and Imperil Japan came closer to twinning that war than many want to admit, or know.
Correct. The US mobilized the Soviet Army by giving them 600,000 trucks, thousands of aircraft, hundreds of tanks and millions of tons of food and ammunition.USSR had much of it's industrial capacity displaced East after the German's invaded. That invasion was upon the majority of USSR agricultural turf=food production area, disrupting food supply significantly to that nation. Workers in the armaments factories found themselves going to the front lines to fight the Nazi-Germans.
In short, without USA "Lend-Lease" in form of trucks and other motor and rail transport, and especially food=grain and 'spam', the Soviets likely would have collapsed by end of 1942, 1943 at latest. USA Lend-Lease offset lost Soviet production and food resources allowing them to continue the fight and eventually prevail.
Similar applies to the UK/Britain which depended upon overseas imports of food and aw materials to keep it's factories going and people feed. Lend-Lease also provide needed convoy escorts and essential weapons ~ armor, aircraft, guns, etc. to keep them in the fight until the USA could enter.
Point is two of those legs of the three depended more than many will acknowledge upon the USA = "Arsenal of Democracy" to provide most of essentials = food, raw material, shipping, weapons, and some technologies in order to not collapse to the Nazis during early years of the war and then join in on the ultimate victory.
Nazi Germany and Imperil Japan came closer to twinning that war than many want to admit, or know.
Why would you put me in a camp?Let's "save" YOUR life by throwing YOUR ass into a concentration camp. You up for it?
USA internment camps were a 'Club Med' compared to those of the Nazi where the inmates not worked to death in factories were gassed and cremated.Let's "save" YOUR life by throwing YOUR ass into a concentration camp. You up for it?
Hindsight sees "advantages" which at the time seemed more a 'might work out'. Even though their plan and equipment was better used, it is that the French and British had inept command and control that really helped the Blitzkrieg work better than expected.The Germans had many advantages over France and the Brits at the start of the war that that they did not take advantage of and thus squandered their chance to win
Engaging in a 2 front war for instance when they should have postponed war with russia till after they conquered Britain
Most of the food production area of Russia was under German occupation, so if they held that a year or two, then Russia would have starved greatly. Which is where USA grain and other food shipments were a key life saver for the Soviets.The Soviet factory workers were mostly women and children after the factories were moved. Yes, production dropped, for a couple of months, but the factories were producing before the walls and roofs were up. Lend-Lease was important, but not in 1941. British supplies were far more important that year. The worst the Soviets were facing was stalemate because the Germans couldn’t support their army much past Moscow.
As for the UK, the Germans couldn’t have mounted a successful invasion. Even if the UK fell due to the U-Boat blockade which was a real long shot, the Commonwealth would have carried on with the war and the Commonwealth countries were absolutely immune from German attacks.
The food especially made the difference since the Russia 'breadbasket' crop growing heartland was contested battlegrounds for four years. Russia got very little harvest out of it's major food production turf.Correct. The US mobilized the Soviet Army by giving them 600,000 trucks, thousands of aircraft, hundreds of tanks and millions of tons of food and ammunition.
The US kept them alive.
Thousands still died, and the majority lost their land and possessions.USA internment camps were a 'Club Med' compared to those of the Nazi where the inmates not worked to death in factories were gassed and cremated.
The British had started the concept of an aircraft carrier before anyone else and they were expecting them to have more value in the next war (World War Two).That wasn’t known in 1941. Carriers were for scouting for the battle line. They only became critical in the Pacific after the Japanese sank our battle line. In the Atlantic, they were never important, The Germans, Italians and British still considered the battleships and cruisers the most important ships in the fleet.
That's why I said "compared to".Thousands still died, and the majority lost their land and possessions.
No matter what the cost or difficulties were Germany had to finish the war in the West before turning EastHindsight sees "advantages" which at the time seemed more a 'might work out'. Even though their plan and equipment was better used, it is that the French and British had inept command and control that really helped the Blitzkrieg work better than expected.
The only way they could conquer Britain was if the UK surrendered.
In summer and Fall 1940 Nazi Germany had no naval warships or amphibious lift to get an invasion force across the channel.
Even if they had captured/killed the troops that escaped via Dunkirk it would have been a rather dicey venture.
Most of the sea lift for cross channel was river barges which would flounder in anything but a very calm sea. Look at the sudden storm that wreaked some of the Allies Normandy transport and artificial docks just a couple days after D-Day in June 1944.
"Concentration camps"USA internment [sic] camps were a 'Club Med' compared to those of the Nazi ...
Ah, the old "let's throw you into a concentration camp for your own good!" nonsense. Just fucking stupid.....
One consideration is what would have happened if they had been left to unprotected treatment by their fellow citizens ???
The camps may have been best protective custody compared to no protection.
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Nonetheless, it was clearly illegal to put ADULT American citizens of Japanese descent into those camps. Adult Japanese citizens and even their American citizen children were another matter. Children because they were dependent on the adults and the adults because under international law it was not only common, but legal to intern enemy aliens during wartime until they could be repatriated. The problem was that the Japanese refused to participate in repatriation in either direction keeping allied civilians in unspeakable conditions and often forcing the women into sexual slavery (I won't call it prostitution because the women weren't compensated in any way and were brutalized as well.USA internment camps were a 'Club Med' compared to those of the Nazi where the inmates not worked to death in factories were gassed and cremated.
1,862 died out of a total of 120,00 internees. The death rate for industrial workers was far higher at the time. Only 7 were killed by guards. Remember, this was pre-antibiotics, people died from simple infections and pneumonia.Thousands still died, and the majority lost their land and possessions.
Aircraft carriers were never able to cover the entire oceans. At best they could cover a bubble of about a hundred miles in every direction from the carrier. That's why most CVEs were attached to convoys, the convoys acted as bait to attract the U-Boats. Only a handful were detached by the USN for hunter-killer groups which concentrated on the milch-cow resupply U-Boats anyway.Stryder is being silly. The aircraft carriers were not able to cover the whole ocean until late 1943. The subs did most of their damage when they could get into the crowded shipping lanes closer to shore, and thus they themselves suffered more sub losses.
