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FDR's policies prolonged Depression by 7 years, UCLA economists calculate

Two UCLA economists say they have figured out why the Great Depression dragged on for almost 15 years, and they blame a suspect previously thought to be beyond reproach: President Franklin D. Roosevelt. After scrutinizing Roosevelt's record for four years, Harold L. Cole and Lee E. Ohanian...

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FDR's Folly: How Roosevelt and His New Deal Prolonged the Great Depression

The Great Depression of the 1930s was by far the greatest economic calamity in U.S. history. In 1931, the year before Franklin Roosevelt was elected

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FDR policies doubled the length of the Great Depression - Reason Foundation

Many saw Franklin Delano Roosevelt’s (FDR) presidency and the New Deal as the salvation of the American economy. In fact, recent empirical evidence by UCLA economists Harold Cole and Lee Ohanian suggests that FDR’s economic policy added 7 years to … Continued

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[John Edgar Slow Horses]

FDR, of course, knew the US would have to fight Japan.

With 90% of the country isolationist, he had to wait for a PH to take action.

 

[psikeyhackr]

Rubbish. The economy grew immediately when FDR was elected to 1941; the Depression effectively ended in 1938. Unemployment remained high, but was less than half what it was under Hoover. There was a short recession in 1937, during the Supreme Court battles, but that didn't last long. It was why FDR was elected 4 times, and why Hoover was a 1 term President. Nobody cares about your silly Jap feces fetish,

GDP is Grossly Distorted Propaganda

Where is the data on the annual depreciation of automobiles since Sputnik for every country on the planet? The United States could have made accounting/finance mandatory in high schools since Sputnik. What has prevented it?

Karl Marx and Adam Smith never saw a planned obsolescence economy. Marx used the word 'depreciation' 35 times in the first two volumes of his major work. Adam Smith used the word 'education' Eighty Times in Wealth of Nations. He wrote "read, write and account" multiple times, not "read, write and arithmetic".

The Depression and WWII are imprinted on the American psyche to this day.

Did FDR grok the Japanese enough to know that he could provoke them into attacking so he could justify entering a European war? Historians will continue arguing for decades. I'll ask ChatGPT. It knows everything.

 

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[psikeyhackr]

The idea that President Franklin D. Roosevelt deliberately provoked the Japanese into attacking Pearl Harbor is a subject of controversy and conspiracy theories. The mainstream historical consensus is that there is no concrete evidence to support the claim that Roosevelt or his administration deliberately provoked the attack.

Several key points are considered in this context:

1. Diplomatic and Military Context: The United States imposed economic sanctions and trade embargoes on Japan, primarily in response to Japanese aggression in China and Southeast Asia. These measures were intended to curb Japan's expansionist activities but not necessarily to provoke a war.

2. Lack of Specific Intelligence: While the U.S. had some intelligence indicating that Japan might take aggressive actions, there was no specific knowledge that Pearl Harbor would be targeted. Most expected Japan to strike in Southeast Asia.

3. Public Opinion and Policy: Before Pearl Harbor, U.S. public opinion was largely isolationist, and there was significant resistance to entering the war. Roosevelt’s administration was preparing for potential conflict, but provoking a direct attack was a risky and unlikely strategy.

4. Historical Evidence: Extensive investigations, including the Roberts Commission and later congressional hearings, have found no conclusive evidence that Roosevelt deliberately provoked the attack.

Overall, while the U.S. actions did contribute to tensions with Japan, the theory that Roosevelt intentionally provoked the Pearl Harbor attack to bring the U.S. into World War II lacks substantiated evidence and is not supported by most historians.

 

[DudleySmith]

FDR, of course, knew the US would have to fight Japan.

With 90% of the country isolationist, he had to wait for a PH to take action.

Japan and Germany provided him one with no need for him to fake one.

 

[DudleySmith]

Overall, while the U.S. actions did contribute to tensions with Japan

Wonder why these 'experts' never admit that Japan and Germany were the primary contributors to tensions, it's always the U.S. doing the bad stuff. The whole premise is absurd.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

The idea that President Franklin D. Roosevelt deliberately provoked the Japanese into attacking Pearl Harbor is a subject of controversy and conspiracy theories. The mainstream historical consensus is that there is no concrete evidence to support the claim that Roosevelt or his administration deliberately provoked the attack.

Several key points are considered in this context:

1. Diplomatic and Military Context: The United States imposed economic sanctions and trade embargoes on Japan, primarily in response to Japanese aggression in China and Southeast Asia. These measures were intended to curb Japan's expansionist activities but not necessarily to provoke a war.

2. Lack of Specific Intelligence: While the U.S. had some intelligence indicating that Japan might take aggressive actions, there was no specific knowledge that Pearl Harbor would be targeted. Most expected Japan to strike in Southeast Asia.

3. Public Opinion and Policy: Before Pearl Harbor, U.S. public opinion was largely isolationist, and there was significant resistance to entering the war. Roosevelt’s administration was preparing for potential conflict, but provoking a direct attack was a risky and unlikely strategy.

4. Historical Evidence: Extensive investigations, including the Roberts Commission and later congressional hearings, have found no conclusive evidence that Roosevelt deliberately provoked the attack.

Overall, while the U.S. actions did contribute to tensions with Japan, the theory that Roosevelt intentionally provoked the Pearl Harbor attack to bring the U.S. into World War II lacks substantiated evidence and is not supported by most historians.

Nice reply. Let's see what Mike replies.

 

[Mac-7]

FDR, of course, knew the US would have to fight Japan.

With 90% of the country isolationist, he had to wait for a PH to take action.

Exactly

No informed person at the time thought war could be avoided

Germany was the top priority but japanese expansion could not be ignored

 

[psikeyhackr]

Nice reply. Let's see what Mike replies.

That was ChatGPT actually, I just asked the question. Although I do not regard it as intelligent, the way it can assemble related information and present it is impressive.

 

[Unkotare]

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No informed person at the time thought war could be avoided
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Were YOU an "informed person at the time"? Or just talking out your ass again?

 

[Mac-7]

Were YOU an "informed person at the time"? Or just talking out your ass again?

It was before my time

But in those days everyone in my neck of the woods was FDR democrats

 

[Unkotare]

It was before my time
...

Yes it was.

 

[DudleySmith]

Were YOU an "informed person at the time"? Or just talking out your ass again?

You certainly weren't, and you aren't now, either.

 

[gipper]

Exactly

No informed person at the time thought war could be avoided

Germany was the top priority but japanese expansion could not be ignored

Not true. Wrong again. The vast majority of Americans opposed any involvement in the war in Europe, before Pearl Harbor. Few thought war was inevitable.

They learned from the mistakes of WWI, but you and your kind never learn from mistakes. Thus, you support every new war the State tells you to support.