Trump and Melania test positive for COVID-19

[XponentialChaos]

So you have no cognitive ability to tell if your being feed bull shit... Got it!

The director of the CDC doesn't know what he's talking about. Clearly you know more about his line of work than he does despite your lack of education in the subject.

Good for you.

 

[EL Rich]

To all of the "neither candidate is good and you are all being duped by the deep state" crowd,

The problem with your POV is that facts exist. Look to the facts and the path reveals itself.

Yeah, really doesn’t matter who you are supporting, the idea that you know the facts and anyone who disagrees with you is lost, is some of the most ignorant nonsense our society is dealing with right now. While I wouldn’t vote for President Trump to be my village dog catcher, I know plenty of caring, thoughtful people who see him as needed to stem the tide of over reaching government. When I talk to these folks and try to change their minds, I don’t start by calling “fucking idiots”, I reserve that distinction for folks who display their idiocy in what they have to say.

Are you suggesting there's not a right thing to do, and that people aren't personally responsible if they cannot understand what a fact is?

No I am not, I am suggesting that you alone are not the arbiter of what is or is not factual and what conclusions can be drawn.

That's trivial - nobody is the arbiter of what a fact is besides reality. Just because someone recognizes what the facts are, doesnt mean theyre the ones deciding its a fact...glad I could clear up that distinction, though...because it seems to me that in the interest of some magical fairness you're suggesting that everyone is entitled to their own facts.

No, what I am saying, is that raw data is factual, but what we all do is use our reason to extrapolate truth out of those facts. I am not defending those who willfully stick their heads in the sand and deny reality. I am simply suggesting that reasonable people can have reasonable disagreements about what the facts “mean”. This is not me saying, Alternative Facts are anything but lies, but I am suggesting like an statistician will tell you, numbers can be manipulated to derive meaning almost any meaning, yet they are factual.

What you are saying is completely trivial. If you think the only way to conclude that Trump is and has been bad for the Country is by arbitrary opinion, and the facts cannot support that - then it's not by some colloquial interpretation of the facts to say that you are wrong, and perhaps stupid. Universal you, in the hypothetical...not you you. You knew that.

Which you?

The letter. The letter u.

Or two of them, or the letter that says two of them. Double you. Or W.

Great, insults.
All I am saying is that a reasonable person can completely disagree with you while looking at the same data. Maybe they believe that immigration and people of color are destroying our culture. I disagree with them, but the second you say they have no right to express that opinion at all, you are betraying democratic norms. There is a reason the ACLU fought for the rights of Nazis to hold a march. Freedom belongs to everyone or no one. By the way, all I have advocated for is not dismissing people before you hear why they think what they think. I fear that you do not see how your unwillingness to accept the ability of others to disagree With you, without being wrong, exists whether you wish to accept it or not. And you are exposing the most legitimate criticism of the modern left, you are intolerant of any type of digression from the doctrines of critical theory.
If your curious where that leads check out China under Mao and that is not hyperbol.

Everyone doesn't get their own set of facts, and it doesn't matter how emotional or unfair that makes you feel, or anyone else either.

Also, it's really fucking weird you're accusing me of wanting anyone to have no right to express their opinion. What the fuck? Nobody said that. <-- see, that's a fact, and you don't get to interpret it any other way except to say, 'oh, haha, yeah I guess you're not saying that anyone isn't entitled to their opinions...I'm just saying that you GT are NOT entitled to YOURS, that they're stupid.'

Wow, you didn’t read what I wrote or I failed to make it clear enough. I get you.

I read it just fine - you implied that someone is trying to take someone's rights.. (you: I disagree with them, but the second you say they have no right to express that opinion at all, you are betraying democratic norms.)... away, by calling them stupid....and then went on a diatribe about why taking their rights away is bad.

Since I did none of that and didnt even imply anyone should have their rights taken away, it was just dumb of you to say all of that. You are saying trivial shit over and over again because of your antipathy for calling a spade a spade, a dumb opinion, a lack of a grasp of the facts...stupid. Reality can suck sometimes, and some people are pretty fucking stupid. Hence: Trump.

When you say, I know the facts so I am the authority for truth, you are attempting to curtail someone else’s speech. Why is this idea so hard for you to understand? Democratic norms dictate that reasonable people can have reasonable discussions. When you present the idea that the only explanation for someone to support Trump is that they are stupid, you not only dismiss the foundation of open discussion but you also make it hard for them to care about anything else you have to say. What I mean by that is, if you want others to respect what you have to say, start by respecting their right to have an opinion you think is wrong.
How in the world you continue to take issue with that is difficult for me to understand.

When you say, I know the facts so I am the authority for truth, you are attempting to curtail someone else’s speech. Why is this idea so hard for you to understand?

Because it's a false premise, and I didn't say it. You just have a hard time grasping that, that's not on me.

start by respecting their right

Respecting their right? I respect their right by my support of the 1st amendment. Respecting their right is not the same as respecting their content. Fucking DUH. That outlines your confusion, perfectly. Hopefully you get it now.

Ok, you are still talking past me and not to me. No worries.
But understand you are attacking me because I don’t think it is fair or productive for you to dismiss support for Trump as “some people are pretty fucking stupid“. You are going down the same road that allowed Trump to beat Hillary in 2016. Not sure how you feel about that, but I’d guess if you could you’d go back in time and stop Hillary from calling almost 45% of the people who vote, deplorable, you would.

I don't apologize for my take, if that's what you're trying to get me to say. I offer no excuse for someone's support of a guy who brags about being in the locker rooms of teenaged girls, has been a known perv. since the 90s, has had back and forth fights with Magazines over the years for not acknowledging he is as rich as he says he is...can be found on video after video after video after video lying...and not only out of context, but literally pairs of videos where he says one thing on one, and something contradictory on another...

No excuse, and no excuse for supporting the most divisive President we've ever had.

Sorry not sorry - support of him is fucking stupid, sorry that hurts your or anyone's feelings but the facts are in: he's a liar, he's a womanizer, he says nefarious things about underaged girls, those are clearly disqualifying all by themselves without getting into the 6, 000 other things wrong with the fuckin' guy.

I've no problem supporting that, and you can't say @oh but biden@ because I'm not a Biden supporter and offer no excuses there, either. So...

And you can quit accusing me of trying to take anyone's rights away. That's just stupid, you're not hearing that from me. Just tough love. Trump support is stupid.

Hey Buddy,
I think Trump is awful. Do you think I am defending him or the logic of those that do? I am just suggesting that if getting people to see your side is your goal, telling them they are stupid is counter-productive. When you dismiss someone as stupid or crazy it diminishes them so you do not have to take their ideas seriously. Go read ”The Yellow Wallpaper“ if you are not getting what I mean, it’s a quick read. Folks already feel diminished enough, maybe try lifting someone up instead of pushing them down?

This is a messageboard, goof. I'm not at my Mom, etc. in real-world calling her a dummy, I merely joke with her about it.

Their ideas are stupid, and entertaining them is what's counter-productive because the only thing blocking anyone else from seeing through Trump's carnival-barking, used car salesman schtick is cognitive/psychological. It's not fact based, it's not an argument to be had, it's Cult-like, and it's created dissonance like it does for anyone that's been involved in any cult.

Cults get membership for a reason, and it looks/seems crazy to outsiders for a reason...but it's all a function of communication and there's nothing you, me or any fact can actually do about it. It's the kool aid...it's that he actually can shoot someone on 5th avenue and not lose any support. That's a cult.

Ok, enjoy your screaming matches but don’t ever mistake what you are doing as productive or in any way thoughtful.

I enjoy productive conversations with productive people. Your antipathy for calling a spade a spade doesn't help anybody, it's enabling.

You have not understood what I have said at all. I have in no way said that our President acts in ways or presents policies that should not be opposed at every turn. I just refuse to insult people to do it. Watch out for that “cancel culture“ you seem to be advocating, you may wish to update your language. “Spade” is an unfortunate display of your inherent bias and privilege....sucks when someone takes what you say and tells you what you really meant doesn’t it?
...and No, I do not think your use of the word “spade” is anything other than being a bit tone-deaf to others....a theme?

 

[kaz]

President Pence reporting for duty sir

So seriously. Are you eddiew's left sock or his right sock?

 

[G.T.]

To all of the "neither candidate is good and you are all being duped by the deep state" crowd,

The problem with your POV is that facts exist. Look to the facts and the path reveals itself.

Yeah, really doesn’t matter who you are supporting, the idea that you know the facts and anyone who disagrees with you is lost, is some of the most ignorant nonsense our society is dealing with right now. While I wouldn’t vote for President Trump to be my village dog catcher, I know plenty of caring, thoughtful people who see him as needed to stem the tide of over reaching government. When I talk to these folks and try to change their minds, I don’t start by calling “fucking idiots”, I reserve that distinction for folks who display their idiocy in what they have to say.

Are you suggesting there's not a right thing to do, and that people aren't personally responsible if they cannot understand what a fact is?

No I am not, I am suggesting that you alone are not the arbiter of what is or is not factual and what conclusions can be drawn.

That's trivial - nobody is the arbiter of what a fact is besides reality. Just because someone recognizes what the facts are, doesnt mean theyre the ones deciding its a fact...glad I could clear up that distinction, though...because it seems to me that in the interest of some magical fairness you're suggesting that everyone is entitled to their own facts.

No, what I am saying, is that raw data is factual, but what we all do is use our reason to extrapolate truth out of those facts. I am not defending those who willfully stick their heads in the sand and deny reality. I am simply suggesting that reasonable people can have reasonable disagreements about what the facts “mean”. This is not me saying, Alternative Facts are anything but lies, but I am suggesting like an statistician will tell you, numbers can be manipulated to derive meaning almost any meaning, yet they are factual.

What you are saying is completely trivial. If you think the only way to conclude that Trump is and has been bad for the Country is by arbitrary opinion, and the facts cannot support that - then it's not by some colloquial interpretation of the facts to say that you are wrong, and perhaps stupid. Universal you, in the hypothetical...not you you. You knew that.

Which you?

The letter. The letter u.

Or two of them, or the letter that says two of them. Double you. Or W.

Great, insults.
All I am saying is that a reasonable person can completely disagree with you while looking at the same data. Maybe they believe that immigration and people of color are destroying our culture. I disagree with them, but the second you say they have no right to express that opinion at all, you are betraying democratic norms. There is a reason the ACLU fought for the rights of Nazis to hold a march. Freedom belongs to everyone or no one. By the way, all I have advocated for is not dismissing people before you hear why they think what they think. I fear that you do not see how your unwillingness to accept the ability of others to disagree With you, without being wrong, exists whether you wish to accept it or not. And you are exposing the most legitimate criticism of the modern left, you are intolerant of any type of digression from the doctrines of critical theory.
If your curious where that leads check out China under Mao and that is not hyperbol.

Everyone doesn't get their own set of facts, and it doesn't matter how emotional or unfair that makes you feel, or anyone else either.

Also, it's really fucking weird you're accusing me of wanting anyone to have no right to express their opinion. What the fuck? Nobody said that. <-- see, that's a fact, and you don't get to interpret it any other way except to say, 'oh, haha, yeah I guess you're not saying that anyone isn't entitled to their opinions...I'm just saying that you GT are NOT entitled to YOURS, that they're stupid.'

Wow, you didn’t read what I wrote or I failed to make it clear enough. I get you.

I read it just fine - you implied that someone is trying to take someone's rights.. (you: I disagree with them, but the second you say they have no right to express that opinion at all, you are betraying democratic norms.)... away, by calling them stupid....and then went on a diatribe about why taking their rights away is bad.

Since I did none of that and didnt even imply anyone should have their rights taken away, it was just dumb of you to say all of that. You are saying trivial shit over and over again because of your antipathy for calling a spade a spade, a dumb opinion, a lack of a grasp of the facts...stupid. Reality can suck sometimes, and some people are pretty fucking stupid. Hence: Trump.

When you say, I know the facts so I am the authority for truth, you are attempting to curtail someone else’s speech. Why is this idea so hard for you to understand? Democratic norms dictate that reasonable people can have reasonable discussions. When you present the idea that the only explanation for someone to support Trump is that they are stupid, you not only dismiss the foundation of open discussion but you also make it hard for them to care about anything else you have to say. What I mean by that is, if you want others to respect what you have to say, start by respecting their right to have an opinion you think is wrong.
How in the world you continue to take issue with that is difficult for me to understand.

When you say, I know the facts so I am the authority for truth, you are attempting to curtail someone else’s speech. Why is this idea so hard for you to understand?

Because it's a false premise, and I didn't say it. You just have a hard time grasping that, that's not on me.

start by respecting their right

Respecting their right? I respect their right by my support of the 1st amendment. Respecting their right is not the same as respecting their content. Fucking DUH. That outlines your confusion, perfectly. Hopefully you get it now.

Ok, you are still talking past me and not to me. No worries.
But understand you are attacking me because I don’t think it is fair or productive for you to dismiss support for Trump as “some people are pretty fucking stupid“. You are going down the same road that allowed Trump to beat Hillary in 2016. Not sure how you feel about that, but I’d guess if you could you’d go back in time and stop Hillary from calling almost 45% of the people who vote, deplorable, you would.

I don't apologize for my take, if that's what you're trying to get me to say. I offer no excuse for someone's support of a guy who brags about being in the locker rooms of teenaged girls, has been a known perv. since the 90s, has had back and forth fights with Magazines over the years for not acknowledging he is as rich as he says he is...can be found on video after video after video after video lying...and not only out of context, but literally pairs of videos where he says one thing on one, and something contradictory on another...

No excuse, and no excuse for supporting the most divisive President we've ever had.

Sorry not sorry - support of him is fucking stupid, sorry that hurts your or anyone's feelings but the facts are in: he's a liar, he's a womanizer, he says nefarious things about underaged girls, those are clearly disqualifying all by themselves without getting into the 6, 000 other things wrong with the fuckin' guy.

I've no problem supporting that, and you can't say @oh but biden@ because I'm not a Biden supporter and offer no excuses there, either. So...

And you can quit accusing me of trying to take anyone's rights away. That's just stupid, you're not hearing that from me. Just tough love. Trump support is stupid.

Hey Buddy,
I think Trump is awful. Do you think I am defending him or the logic of those that do? I am just suggesting that if getting people to see your side is your goal, telling them they are stupid is counter-productive. When you dismiss someone as stupid or crazy it diminishes them so you do not have to take their ideas seriously. Go read ”The Yellow Wallpaper“ if you are not getting what I mean, it’s a quick read. Folks already feel diminished enough, maybe try lifting someone up instead of pushing them down?

This is a messageboard, goof. I'm not at my Mom, etc. in real-world calling her a dummy, I merely joke with her about it.

Their ideas are stupid, and entertaining them is what's counter-productive because the only thing blocking anyone else from seeing through Trump's carnival-barking, used car salesman schtick is cognitive/psychological. It's not fact based, it's not an argument to be had, it's Cult-like, and it's created dissonance like it does for anyone that's been involved in any cult.

Cults get membership for a reason, and it looks/seems crazy to outsiders for a reason...but it's all a function of communication and there's nothing you, me or any fact can actually do about it. It's the kool aid...it's that he actually can shoot someone on 5th avenue and not lose any support. That's a cult.

Ok, enjoy your screaming matches but don’t ever mistake what you are doing as productive or in any way thoughtful.

I enjoy productive conversations with productive people. Your antipathy for calling a spade a spade doesn't help anybody, it's enabling.

You have not understood what I have said at all. I have in no way said that our President acts in ways or presents policies that should not be opposed at every turn. I just refuse to insult people to do it. Watch out for that “cancel culture“ you seem to be advocating, you may wish to update your language. “Spade” is an unfortunate display of your inherent bias and privilege....sucks when someone takes what you say and tells you what you really meant doesn’t it?
...and No, I do not think your use of the word “spade” is anything other than being a bit tone-deaf to others....a theme?

^^ again, falsely accuses me of trying to cancel somebody's speech.

Can't help you any more, buddy

 

[eddiew37]

President Pence reporting for duty sir

So seriously. Are you eddiew's left sock or his right sock?

kaz how you feeling today ? little cough? little fever ? No mask?? I'm praying for Trump and you

 

[kaz]

President Pence reporting for duty sir

So seriously. Are you eddiew's left sock or his right sock?

kaz how you feeling today ? little cough? little fever ? No mask?? I'm praying for Trump and you

You and eddiew do share a toothbrush

 

[NoNukes]

I wonder who infected Hope Hicks?

Probably not the first time Trump caught something from a woman.

Howard Stern: "I even went as far to say that you're braver than any Vietnam vet because you're out there screwing a lot of women."

"Getting the Congressional Medal of Honor, in actuality," said Trump.

Later in the interview Trump and Stern again compared avoiding STDs to Vietnam.

"I'm having a good time, but Howard, you know the one negative: It's very, very dangerous out there," said Trump.

"Yes it is, it's your Vietnam," added Stern.

"It's Vietnam," added Trump. "It is very dangerous. So I'm very, very careful."

Trump is ,was, and will always be a swine Any women voting for him must be without a brain

Well since he's had some great looking wives I think you are full of shit.

GreT looking women can have it too.

 

[Billy_Bob]

So you have no cognitive ability to tell if your being feed bull shit... Got it!

The director of the CDC doesn't know what he's talking about. Clearly you know more about his line of work than he does despite your lack of education in the subject.

Good for you.

Don't put words into my mouth.. You dont not know what my training level is. I disagree with him because his position does not reflect the science, IMHO.. In Science you can disagree with someones stance because it doesn't fit the facts..

Tell me again how that screen door is working for your submarine...

 

[EL Rich]

To all of the "neither candidate is good and you are all being duped by the deep state" crowd,

The problem with your POV is that facts exist. Look to the facts and the path reveals itself.

Yeah, really doesn’t matter who you are supporting, the idea that you know the facts and anyone who disagrees with you is lost, is some of the most ignorant nonsense our society is dealing with right now. While I wouldn’t vote for President Trump to be my village dog catcher, I know plenty of caring, thoughtful people who see him as needed to stem the tide of over reaching government. When I talk to these folks and try to change their minds, I don’t start by calling “fucking idiots”, I reserve that distinction for folks who display their idiocy in what they have to say.

Are you suggesting there's not a right thing to do, and that people aren't personally responsible if they cannot understand what a fact is?

No I am not, I am suggesting that you alone are not the arbiter of what is or is not factual and what conclusions can be drawn.

That's trivial - nobody is the arbiter of what a fact is besides reality. Just because someone recognizes what the facts are, doesnt mean theyre the ones deciding its a fact...glad I could clear up that distinction, though...because it seems to me that in the interest of some magical fairness you're suggesting that everyone is entitled to their own facts.

No, what I am saying, is that raw data is factual, but what we all do is use our reason to extrapolate truth out of those facts. I am not defending those who willfully stick their heads in the sand and deny reality. I am simply suggesting that reasonable people can have reasonable disagreements about what the facts “mean”. This is not me saying, Alternative Facts are anything but lies, but I am suggesting like an statistician will tell you, numbers can be manipulated to derive meaning almost any meaning, yet they are factual.

What you are saying is completely trivial. If you think the only way to conclude that Trump is and has been bad for the Country is by arbitrary opinion, and the facts cannot support that - then it's not by some colloquial interpretation of the facts to say that you are wrong, and perhaps stupid. Universal you, in the hypothetical...not you you. You knew that.

Which you?

The letter. The letter u.

Or two of them, or the letter that says two of them. Double you. Or W.

Great, insults.
All I am saying is that a reasonable person can completely disagree with you while looking at the same data. Maybe they believe that immigration and people of color are destroying our culture. I disagree with them, but the second you say they have no right to express that opinion at all, you are betraying democratic norms. There is a reason the ACLU fought for the rights of Nazis to hold a march. Freedom belongs to everyone or no one. By the way, all I have advocated for is not dismissing people before you hear why they think what they think. I fear that you do not see how your unwillingness to accept the ability of others to disagree With you, without being wrong, exists whether you wish to accept it or not. And you are exposing the most legitimate criticism of the modern left, you are intolerant of any type of digression from the doctrines of critical theory.
If your curious where that leads check out China under Mao and that is not hyperbol.

Everyone doesn't get their own set of facts, and it doesn't matter how emotional or unfair that makes you feel, or anyone else either.

Also, it's really fucking weird you're accusing me of wanting anyone to have no right to express their opinion. What the fuck? Nobody said that. <-- see, that's a fact, and you don't get to interpret it any other way except to say, 'oh, haha, yeah I guess you're not saying that anyone isn't entitled to their opinions...I'm just saying that you GT are NOT entitled to YOURS, that they're stupid.'

Wow, you didn’t read what I wrote or I failed to make it clear enough. I get you.

I read it just fine - you implied that someone is trying to take someone's rights.. (you: I disagree with them, but the second you say they have no right to express that opinion at all, you are betraying democratic norms.)... away, by calling them stupid....and then went on a diatribe about why taking their rights away is bad.

Since I did none of that and didnt even imply anyone should have their rights taken away, it was just dumb of you to say all of that. You are saying trivial shit over and over again because of your antipathy for calling a spade a spade, a dumb opinion, a lack of a grasp of the facts...stupid. Reality can suck sometimes, and some people are pretty fucking stupid. Hence: Trump.

When you say, I know the facts so I am the authority for truth, you are attempting to curtail someone else’s speech. Why is this idea so hard for you to understand? Democratic norms dictate that reasonable people can have reasonable discussions. When you present the idea that the only explanation for someone to support Trump is that they are stupid, you not only dismiss the foundation of open discussion but you also make it hard for them to care about anything else you have to say. What I mean by that is, if you want others to respect what you have to say, start by respecting their right to have an opinion you think is wrong.
How in the world you continue to take issue with that is difficult for me to understand.

When you say, I know the facts so I am the authority for truth, you are attempting to curtail someone else’s speech. Why is this idea so hard for you to understand?

Because it's a false premise, and I didn't say it. You just have a hard time grasping that, that's not on me.

start by respecting their right

Respecting their right? I respect their right by my support of the 1st amendment. Respecting their right is not the same as respecting their content. Fucking DUH. That outlines your confusion, perfectly. Hopefully you get it now.

Ok, you are still talking past me and not to me. No worries.
But understand you are attacking me because I don’t think it is fair or productive for you to dismiss support for Trump as “some people are pretty fucking stupid“. You are going down the same road that allowed Trump to beat Hillary in 2016. Not sure how you feel about that, but I’d guess if you could you’d go back in time and stop Hillary from calling almost 45% of the people who vote, deplorable, you would.

I don't apologize for my take, if that's what you're trying to get me to say. I offer no excuse for someone's support of a guy who brags about being in the locker rooms of teenaged girls, has been a known perv. since the 90s, has had back and forth fights with Magazines over the years for not acknowledging he is as rich as he says he is...can be found on video after video after video after video lying...and not only out of context, but literally pairs of videos where he says one thing on one, and something contradictory on another...

No excuse, and no excuse for supporting the most divisive President we've ever had.

Sorry not sorry - support of him is fucking stupid, sorry that hurts your or anyone's feelings but the facts are in: he's a liar, he's a womanizer, he says nefarious things about underaged girls, those are clearly disqualifying all by themselves without getting into the 6, 000 other things wrong with the fuckin' guy.

I've no problem supporting that, and you can't say @oh but biden@ because I'm not a Biden supporter and offer no excuses there, either. So...

And you can quit accusing me of trying to take anyone's rights away. That's just stupid, you're not hearing that from me. Just tough love. Trump support is stupid.

Hey Buddy,
I think Trump is awful. Do you think I am defending him or the logic of those that do? I am just suggesting that if getting people to see your side is your goal, telling them they are stupid is counter-productive. When you dismiss someone as stupid or crazy it diminishes them so you do not have to take their ideas seriously. Go read ”The Yellow Wallpaper“ if you are not getting what I mean, it’s a quick read. Folks already feel diminished enough, maybe try lifting someone up instead of pushing them down?

This is a messageboard, goof. I'm not at my Mom, etc. in real-world calling her a dummy, I merely joke with her about it.

Their ideas are stupid, and entertaining them is what's counter-productive because the only thing blocking anyone else from seeing through Trump's carnival-barking, used car salesman schtick is cognitive/psychological. It's not fact based, it's not an argument to be had, it's Cult-like, and it's created dissonance like it does for anyone that's been involved in any cult.

Cults get membership for a reason, and it looks/seems crazy to outsiders for a reason...but it's all a function of communication and there's nothing you, me or any fact can actually do about it. It's the kool aid...it's that he actually can shoot someone on 5th avenue and not lose any support. That's a cult.

Ok, enjoy your screaming matches but don’t ever mistake what you are doing as productive or in any way thoughtful.

I enjoy productive conversations with productive people. Your antipathy for calling a spade a spade doesn't help anybody, it's enabling.

You have not understood what I have said at all. I have in no way said that our President acts in ways or presents policies that should not be opposed at every turn. I just refuse to insult people to do it. Watch out for that “cancel culture“ you seem to be advocating, you may wish to update your language. “Spade” is an unfortunate display of your inherent bias and privilege....sucks when someone takes what you say and tells you what you really meant doesn’t it?
...and No, I do not think your use of the word “spade” is anything other than being a bit tone-deaf to others....a theme?

^^ again, falsely accuses me of trying to cancel somebody's speech.

Can't help you any more, buddy

You are either being willfully obtuse or have drank some of that kool aid you believe anyone who has the audacity to disagree with you politically has had. And again...folks like you make it almost impossible for anybody who is center-right to respect your ideas. Your approach is adolescent at best And down right destructive of democracy at worst. You are, in fact, the fascist you are so scared of.
And it is time for traditional Liberals to push back against you and your ilk. If we don’t, then we deserve 4 more years of our current president.
Fin

 

[G.T.]

To all of the "neither candidate is good and you are all being duped by the deep state" crowd,

The problem with your POV is that facts exist. Look to the facts and the path reveals itself.

Yeah, really doesn’t matter who you are supporting, the idea that you know the facts and anyone who disagrees with you is lost, is some of the most ignorant nonsense our society is dealing with right now. While I wouldn’t vote for President Trump to be my village dog catcher, I know plenty of caring, thoughtful people who see him as needed to stem the tide of over reaching government. When I talk to these folks and try to change their minds, I don’t start by calling “fucking idiots”, I reserve that distinction for folks who display their idiocy in what they have to say.

Are you suggesting there's not a right thing to do, and that people aren't personally responsible if they cannot understand what a fact is?

No I am not, I am suggesting that you alone are not the arbiter of what is or is not factual and what conclusions can be drawn.

That's trivial - nobody is the arbiter of what a fact is besides reality. Just because someone recognizes what the facts are, doesnt mean theyre the ones deciding its a fact...glad I could clear up that distinction, though...because it seems to me that in the interest of some magical fairness you're suggesting that everyone is entitled to their own facts.

No, what I am saying, is that raw data is factual, but what we all do is use our reason to extrapolate truth out of those facts. I am not defending those who willfully stick their heads in the sand and deny reality. I am simply suggesting that reasonable people can have reasonable disagreements about what the facts “mean”. This is not me saying, Alternative Facts are anything but lies, but I am suggesting like an statistician will tell you, numbers can be manipulated to derive meaning almost any meaning, yet they are factual.

What you are saying is completely trivial. If you think the only way to conclude that Trump is and has been bad for the Country is by arbitrary opinion, and the facts cannot support that - then it's not by some colloquial interpretation of the facts to say that you are wrong, and perhaps stupid. Universal you, in the hypothetical...not you you. You knew that.

Which you?

The letter. The letter u.

Or two of them, or the letter that says two of them. Double you. Or W.

Great, insults.
All I am saying is that a reasonable person can completely disagree with you while looking at the same data. Maybe they believe that immigration and people of color are destroying our culture. I disagree with them, but the second you say they have no right to express that opinion at all, you are betraying democratic norms. There is a reason the ACLU fought for the rights of Nazis to hold a march. Freedom belongs to everyone or no one. By the way, all I have advocated for is not dismissing people before you hear why they think what they think. I fear that you do not see how your unwillingness to accept the ability of others to disagree With you, without being wrong, exists whether you wish to accept it or not. And you are exposing the most legitimate criticism of the modern left, you are intolerant of any type of digression from the doctrines of critical theory.
If your curious where that leads check out China under Mao and that is not hyperbol.

Everyone doesn't get their own set of facts, and it doesn't matter how emotional or unfair that makes you feel, or anyone else either.

Also, it's really fucking weird you're accusing me of wanting anyone to have no right to express their opinion. What the fuck? Nobody said that. <-- see, that's a fact, and you don't get to interpret it any other way except to say, 'oh, haha, yeah I guess you're not saying that anyone isn't entitled to their opinions...I'm just saying that you GT are NOT entitled to YOURS, that they're stupid.'

Wow, you didn’t read what I wrote or I failed to make it clear enough. I get you.

I read it just fine - you implied that someone is trying to take someone's rights.. (you: I disagree with them, but the second you say they have no right to express that opinion at all, you are betraying democratic norms.)... away, by calling them stupid....and then went on a diatribe about why taking their rights away is bad.

Since I did none of that and didnt even imply anyone should have their rights taken away, it was just dumb of you to say all of that. You are saying trivial shit over and over again because of your antipathy for calling a spade a spade, a dumb opinion, a lack of a grasp of the facts...stupid. Reality can suck sometimes, and some people are pretty fucking stupid. Hence: Trump.

When you say, I know the facts so I am the authority for truth, you are attempting to curtail someone else’s speech. Why is this idea so hard for you to understand? Democratic norms dictate that reasonable people can have reasonable discussions. When you present the idea that the only explanation for someone to support Trump is that they are stupid, you not only dismiss the foundation of open discussion but you also make it hard for them to care about anything else you have to say. What I mean by that is, if you want others to respect what you have to say, start by respecting their right to have an opinion you think is wrong.
How in the world you continue to take issue with that is difficult for me to understand.

When you say, I know the facts so I am the authority for truth, you are attempting to curtail someone else’s speech. Why is this idea so hard for you to understand?

Because it's a false premise, and I didn't say it. You just have a hard time grasping that, that's not on me.

start by respecting their right

Respecting their right? I respect their right by my support of the 1st amendment. Respecting their right is not the same as respecting their content. Fucking DUH. That outlines your confusion, perfectly. Hopefully you get it now.

Ok, you are still talking past me and not to me. No worries.
But understand you are attacking me because I don’t think it is fair or productive for you to dismiss support for Trump as “some people are pretty fucking stupid“. You are going down the same road that allowed Trump to beat Hillary in 2016. Not sure how you feel about that, but I’d guess if you could you’d go back in time and stop Hillary from calling almost 45% of the people who vote, deplorable, you would.

I don't apologize for my take, if that's what you're trying to get me to say. I offer no excuse for someone's support of a guy who brags about being in the locker rooms of teenaged girls, has been a known perv. since the 90s, has had back and forth fights with Magazines over the years for not acknowledging he is as rich as he says he is...can be found on video after video after video after video lying...and not only out of context, but literally pairs of videos where he says one thing on one, and something contradictory on another...

No excuse, and no excuse for supporting the most divisive President we've ever had.

Sorry not sorry - support of him is fucking stupid, sorry that hurts your or anyone's feelings but the facts are in: he's a liar, he's a womanizer, he says nefarious things about underaged girls, those are clearly disqualifying all by themselves without getting into the 6, 000 other things wrong with the fuckin' guy.

I've no problem supporting that, and you can't say @oh but biden@ because I'm not a Biden supporter and offer no excuses there, either. So...

And you can quit accusing me of trying to take anyone's rights away. That's just stupid, you're not hearing that from me. Just tough love. Trump support is stupid.

Hey Buddy,
I think Trump is awful. Do you think I am defending him or the logic of those that do? I am just suggesting that if getting people to see your side is your goal, telling them they are stupid is counter-productive. When you dismiss someone as stupid or crazy it diminishes them so you do not have to take their ideas seriously. Go read ”The Yellow Wallpaper“ if you are not getting what I mean, it’s a quick read. Folks already feel diminished enough, maybe try lifting someone up instead of pushing them down?

This is a messageboard, goof. I'm not at my Mom, etc. in real-world calling her a dummy, I merely joke with her about it.

Their ideas are stupid, and entertaining them is what's counter-productive because the only thing blocking anyone else from seeing through Trump's carnival-barking, used car salesman schtick is cognitive/psychological. It's not fact based, it's not an argument to be had, it's Cult-like, and it's created dissonance like it does for anyone that's been involved in any cult.

Cults get membership for a reason, and it looks/seems crazy to outsiders for a reason...but it's all a function of communication and there's nothing you, me or any fact can actually do about it. It's the kool aid...it's that he actually can shoot someone on 5th avenue and not lose any support. That's a cult.

Ok, enjoy your screaming matches but don’t ever mistake what you are doing as productive or in any way thoughtful.

I enjoy productive conversations with productive people. Your antipathy for calling a spade a spade doesn't help anybody, it's enabling.

You have not understood what I have said at all. I have in no way said that our President acts in ways or presents policies that should not be opposed at every turn. I just refuse to insult people to do it. Watch out for that “cancel culture“ you seem to be advocating, you may wish to update your language. “Spade” is an unfortunate display of your inherent bias and privilege....sucks when someone takes what you say and tells you what you really meant doesn’t it?
...and No, I do not think your use of the word “spade” is anything other than being a bit tone-deaf to others....a theme?

^^ again, falsely accuses me of trying to cancel somebody's speech.

Can't help you any more, buddy

You are either being willfully obtuse or have drank some of that kool aid you believe anyone who has the audacity to disagree with you politically has had. And again...folks like you make it almost impossible for anybody who is center-right to respect your ideas. Your approach is adolescent at best And down right destructive of democracy at worst. You are, in fact, the fascist you are so scared of.
And it is time for traditional Liberals to push back against you and your ilk. If we don’t, then we deserve 4 more years of our current president.
Fin

You have a good day, dude. Or Ma'am, whichever.

 

[JLW]

Personally, I think this whole Trump Covid thing is being overblown at this time. When and if he is ever rushed to the emergency room or goes on a ventilator, then let me know.

However, that does not mean he should not isolate himself or take precautions not to infect others.

 

[Ben Thomson]

President Donald Trump and first lady Melania Trump tested positive for the coronavirus, he announced on Twitter early Friday.

"Tonight, @FLOTUS and I tested positive for COVID-19. We will begin our quarantine and recovery process immediately. We will get through this TOGETHER!" he tweeted.

Trump, first lady Melania Trump test positive for Covid-19

I wonder how many others are also infected? MSNBC listed 20 people earlier who had been in close proximity to Hope Hicks. Trump and Melania are among the lucky ones who actually have a full-time doctor and state-of-the-art medical facilities in the White House - plus Walter Reed Army Medical Center if needed.

When Trump's 'personal assistant'..wink..wink.. tested positive you knew there was a good chance Trump would not dodge it anymore. Then he goes and passes it on to Melania. Melania should slap the hell out of Hicks for that.

You need a mental health checkup. I'd recommend you get the full test

I got another one for ya..Donnie Jr's old lady had Fox News pay off somebody for dropping a sexual harassment complaint..man that whole family is crazy...Fox News Quietly Paid Kimberly Guilfoyle Accuser Over Sexual Misconduct Claims: Report

You prefer just to vote for guys who skip the pretense and rape their victims like Bill, huh? And his enabler Hillary. No fancy "harassment" for you, no sir

No doubt you think ole Raccoon Eyes is a little touchy-feely too or you wouldn't be trying to deflect.

 

[kaz]

President Donald Trump and first lady Melania Trump tested positive for the coronavirus, he announced on Twitter early Friday.

"Tonight, @FLOTUS and I tested positive for COVID-19. We will begin our quarantine and recovery process immediately. We will get through this TOGETHER!" he tweeted.

Trump, first lady Melania Trump test positive for Covid-19

I wonder how many others are also infected? MSNBC listed 20 people earlier who had been in close proximity to Hope Hicks. Trump and Melania are among the lucky ones who actually have a full-time doctor and state-of-the-art medical facilities in the White House - plus Walter Reed Army Medical Center if needed.

When Trump's 'personal assistant'..wink..wink.. tested positive you knew there was a good chance Trump would not dodge it anymore. Then he goes and passes it on to Melania. Melania should slap the hell out of Hicks for that.

You need a mental health checkup. I'd recommend you get the full test

I got another one for ya..Donnie Jr's old lady had Fox News pay off somebody for dropping a sexual harassment complaint..man that whole family is crazy...Fox News Quietly Paid Kimberly Guilfoyle Accuser Over Sexual Misconduct Claims: Report

You prefer just to vote for guys who skip the pretense and rape their victims like Bill, huh? And his enabler Hillary. No fancy "harassment" for you, no sir

No doubt you think ole Raccoon Eyes is a little touchy-feely too or you wouldn't be trying to deflect.

Your hypocrisy speaks for itself. You don't give a shit when Democrats assault women. You don't care at all. Not one iota

 

[Lakhota]

Does anyone know how Hope Hicks is doing? Did she infect Trump - or did Trump infect her. My thread about her disappeared in the night.

flacaltenn

 

[Claudette]

Does anyone know how Hope Hicks is doing? Did she infect Trump - or did Trump infect her. My thread about her disappeared in the night.

flacaltenn

I think it was Hicks who did the infecting. From what I read she wasn't feeling well and of course being staff she was around all of them.

 

[Godboy]

WTF

I thought the virus didn’t affect anyone?!

Like the flu, old or unhealthy people are more affected, Einstein.

Lol actually it affects everyone who has it. I’m glad I could clear this up for you lol

Lol it doesnt effect everyone the same. Im glad i could clear this up for you lol

Perhaps you need to tell Trump that. He says it doesn’t affect anyone lol

He never said that. Your fake arguments are boring.

 

[beagle9]

President Pence reporting for duty sir

In your ways of thinking, you think Pence would lose in the election due to his Christianity, so of course you would love to see him step in. If that were the case, then this nation is officially over.

I say cancel the general until 2021, and until a vaccine is ready during the year. Declare a state of emergency Trump, and let not evil forces take advantage of this country during the pandemic. The virus may have been weaponized by now, and you getting it might not have been an accident.

 

[beagle9]

This thing has gotten way out of control. Declare a state of emergency in this pandemic Trump, and cancel the general election for one year so a vaccine can be released. It's the right thing to do.

 

[beagle9]

The nation cannot be transferred in it's current calamity or under these pretenses. To much at stake. Everyone knows Biden is no good, but they are using him in hopes of. The election fairness can't be garanteed under these circumstances, and bad actors are attempting to take advantage of the situation.

 

[eddiew37]

Personally, I think this whole Trump Covid thing is being overblown at this time. When and if he is ever rushed to the emergency room or goes on a ventilator, then let me know.

However, that does not mean he should not isolate himself or take precautions not to infect others.

Some people ,with due cause ,think the whole trump covid thing is a hoax , that he can come out of it looking brave and saying see it's nothing ,just Like I said Also keeps him from looking like an AH again debating Biden