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okOf course it can be controlled and reduced in spread.All Biden needs to do is touch the surface where the virus is and then touch his face by putting on or taking off his mask and he has got it... Shit happens... and there isn't anything anyone can do about it unless you live in a sterile bubble..God will see to it that biden gets it.Biden was in close proximity for 90 minuets.... He gets a test too...Convenient timing after that side show they called a debate the other night. Guess they really really really didn't want to debate again. Ha. I'm sure Biden is just as pleased.
Yup. These lefty meatheads think you can control a virus.
You can't. No matter who runs the show, no matter what they have to say, no matter what they do a pandemic kills. It can't be controlled.
It will get into any country no matter the safeguards that country institutes. Its a killer and can't be controlled.
It can't be eliminated entirely, until at 80 or 90% herd immunity, via vaccination. The small pox virus was killed, eliminated, is one example
because smallpox only infects humans and has no other reservoir or infection source. It also didn't mutate into differing forms like some other viruses do.
We have a 4-something percent positivity rate, as of today. NY stopped its curve by common-sense measures, that empirically happened. Seems like it's being controlled, shy of stopped, and we haven't even gotten to the vaccine yet and treatments are pouring out the ass on a monthly basis too.Only in your dreams... This is a VIRUS, a micro organism that lives in the air and in water vapor.. Tell me how you think your going to stop it and control it... I'll wait..Of course it can be controlled and reduced in spread.
Hey Buddy,I don't apologize for my take, if that's what you're trying to get me to say. I offer no excuse for someone's support of a guy who brags about being in the locker rooms of teenaged girls, has been a known perv. since the 90s, has had back and forth fights with Magazines over the years for not acknowledging he is as rich as he says he is...can be found on video after video after video after video lying...and not only out of context, but literally pairs of videos where he says one thing on one, and something contradictory on another...Ok, you are still talking past me and not to me. No worries.When you say, I know the facts so I am the authority for truth, you are attempting to curtail someone else’s speech. Why is this idea so hard for you to understand?When you say, I know the facts so I am the authority for truth, you are attempting to curtail someone else’s speech. Why is this idea so hard for you to understand? Democratic norms dictate that reasonable people can have reasonable discussions. When you present the idea that the only explanation for someone to support Trump is that they are stupid, you not only dismiss the foundation of open discussion but you also make it hard for them to care about anything else you have to say. What I mean by that is, if you want others to respect what you have to say, start by respecting their right to have an opinion you think is wrong.I read it just fine - you implied that someone is trying to take someone's rights.. (you: I disagree with them, but the second you say they have no right to express that opinion at all, you are betraying democratic norms.)... away, by calling them stupid....and then went on a diatribe about why taking their rights away is bad.Wow, you didn’t read what I wrote or I failed to make it clear enough. I get you.Everyone doesn't get their own set of facts, and it doesn't matter how emotional or unfair that makes you feel, or anyone else either.Great, insults.What you are saying is completely trivial. If you think the only way to conclude that Trump is and has been bad for the Country is by arbitrary opinion, and the facts cannot support that - then it's not by some colloquial interpretation of the facts to say that you are wrong, and perhaps stupid. Universal you, in the hypothetical...not you you. You knew that.No, what I am saying, is that raw data is factual, but what we all do is use our reason to extrapolate truth out of those facts. I am not defending those who willfully stick their heads in the sand and deny reality. I am simply suggesting that reasonable people can have reasonable disagreements about what the facts “mean”. This is not me saying, Alternative Facts are anything but lies, but I am suggesting like an statistician will tell you, numbers can be manipulated to derive meaning almost any meaning, yet they are factual.That's trivial - nobody is the arbiter of what a fact is besides reality. Just because someone recognizes what the facts are, doesnt mean theyre the ones deciding its a fact...glad I could clear up that distinction, though...because it seems to me that in the interest of some magical fairness you're suggesting that everyone is entitled to their own facts.No I am not, I am suggesting that you alone are not the arbiter of what is or is not factual and what conclusions can be drawn.Are you suggesting there's not a right thing to do, and that people aren't personally responsible if they cannot understand what a fact is?Yeah, really doesn’t matter who you are supporting, the idea that you know the facts and anyone who disagrees with you is lost, is some of the most ignorant nonsense our society is dealing with right now. While I wouldn’t vote for President Trump to be my village dog catcher, I know plenty of caring, thoughtful people who see him as needed to stem the tide of over reaching government. When I talk to these folks and try to change their minds, I don’t start by calling “fucking idiots”, I reserve that distinction for folks who display their idiocy in what they have to say.To all of the "neither candidate is good and you are all being duped by the deep state" crowd,
The problem with your POV is that facts exist. Look to the facts and the path reveals itself.
Which you?
The letter. The letter u.
Or two of them, or the letter that says two of them. Double you. Or W.
All I am saying is that a reasonable person can completely disagree with you while looking at the same data. Maybe they believe that immigration and people of color are destroying our culture. I disagree with them, but the second you say they have no right to express that opinion at all, you are betraying democratic norms. There is a reason the ACLU fought for the rights of Nazis to hold a march. Freedom belongs to everyone or no one. By the way, all I have advocated for is not dismissing people before you hear why they think what they think. I fear that you do not see how your unwillingness to accept the ability of others to disagree With you, without being wrong, exists whether you wish to accept it or not. And you are exposing the most legitimate criticism of the modern left, you are intolerant of any type of digression from the doctrines of critical theory.
If your curious where that leads check out China under Mao and that is not hyperbol.
Also, it's really fucking weird you're accusing me of wanting anyone to have no right to express their opinion. What the fuck? Nobody said that. <-- see, that's a fact, and you don't get to interpret it any other way except to say, 'oh, haha, yeah I guess you're not saying that anyone isn't entitled to their opinions...I'm just saying that you GT are NOT entitled to YOURS, that they're stupid.'
Since I did none of that and didnt even imply anyone should have their rights taken away, it was just dumb of you to say all of that. You are saying trivial shit over and over again because of your antipathy for calling a spade a spade, a dumb opinion, a lack of a grasp of the facts...stupid. Reality can suck sometimes, and some people are pretty fucking stupid. Hence: Trump.
How in the world you continue to take issue with that is difficult for me to understand.
Because it's a false premise, and I didn't say it. You just have a hard time grasping that, that's not on me.
start by respecting their right
Respecting their right? I respect their right by my support of the 1st amendment. Respecting their right is not the same as respecting their content. Fucking DUH. That outlines your confusion, perfectly. Hopefully you get it now.
But understand you are attacking me because I don’t think it is fair or productive for you to dismiss support for Trump as “some people are pretty fucking stupid“. You are going down the same road that allowed Trump to beat Hillary in 2016. Not sure how you feel about that, but I’d guess if you could you’d go back in time and stop Hillary from calling almost 45% of the people who vote, deplorable, you would.
No excuse, and no excuse for supporting the most divisive President we've ever had.
Sorry not sorry - support of him is fucking stupid, sorry that hurts your or anyone's feelings but the facts are in: he's a liar, he's a womanizer, he says nefarious things about underaged girls, those are clearly disqualifying all by themselves without getting into the 6, 000 other things wrong with the fuckin' guy.
I've no problem supporting that, and you can't say @oh but biden@ because I'm not a Biden supporter and offer no excuses there, either. So...
And you can quit accusing me of trying to take anyone's rights away. That's just stupid, you're not hearing that from me. Just tough love. Trump support is stupid.
okOf course it can be controlled and reduced in spread.All Biden needs to do is touch the surface where the virus is and then touch his face by putting on or taking off his mask and he has got it... Shit happens... and there isn't anything anyone can do about it unless you live in a sterile bubble..God will see to it that biden gets it.Biden was in close proximity for 90 minuets.... He gets a test too...Convenient timing after that side show they called a debate the other night. Guess they really really really didn't want to debate again. Ha. I'm sure Biden is just as pleased.
Yup. These lefty meatheads think you can control a virus.
You can't. No matter who runs the show, no matter what they have to say, no matter what they do a pandemic kills. It can't be controlled.
It will get into any country no matter the safeguards that country institutes. Its a killer and can't be controlled.
It can't be eliminated entirely, until at 80 or 90% herd immunity, via vaccination. The small pox virus was killed, eliminated, is one example
because smallpox only infects humans and has no other reservoir or infection source. It also didn't mutate into differing forms like some other viruses do.
But we still can control virus spread, through our actions... we have always been able to ....
With AIDS, wear a rubber...
With the Spanish flu, wear masks, cancelled schools, churches and gatherings of people together...
With measles, quarantine kids at home...
With democrats wear a firearm.okOf course it can be controlled and reduced in spread.All Biden needs to do is touch the surface where the virus is and then touch his face by putting on or taking off his mask and he has got it... Shit happens... and there isn't anything anyone can do about it unless you live in a sterile bubble..God will see to it that biden gets it.Biden was in close proximity for 90 minuets.... He gets a test too...Convenient timing after that side show they called a debate the other night. Guess they really really really didn't want to debate again. Ha. I'm sure Biden is just as pleased.
Yup. These lefty meatheads think you can control a virus.
You can't. No matter who runs the show, no matter what they have to say, no matter what they do a pandemic kills. It can't be controlled.
It will get into any country no matter the safeguards that country institutes. Its a killer and can't be controlled.
It can't be eliminated entirely, until at 80 or 90% herd immunity, via vaccination. The small pox virus was killed, eliminated, is one example
because smallpox only infects humans and has no other reservoir or infection source. It also didn't mutate into differing forms like some other viruses do.
But we still can control virus spread, through our actions... we have always been able to ....
With AIDS, wear a rubber...
With the Spanish flu, wear masks, cancelled schools, churches and gatherings of people together...
With measles, quarantine kids at home...
He was a prick with all of them They talk it'll cost themTrump is ,was, and will always be a swine Any women voting for him must be without a brainProbably not the first time Trump caught something from a woman.I wonder who infected Hope Hicks?
Howard Stern: "I even went as far to say that you're braver than any Vietnam vet because you're out there screwing a lot of women."
"Getting the Congressional Medal of Honor, in actuality," said Trump.
Later in the interview Trump and Stern again compared avoiding STDs to Vietnam.
"I'm having a good time, but Howard, you know the one negative: It's very, very dangerous out there," said Trump.
"Yes it is, it's your Vietnam," added Stern.
"It's Vietnam," added Trump. "It is very dangerous. So I'm very, very careful."
Well since he's had some great looking wives I think you are full of shit.
Not much other than mail order brides. Anyone who inherited half billion from Daddy can score with hot babes.
I doubt any of them were mail order and you are right. Money draws but none of his ex's have a bad thing to say about him.
Being a butthole is expensive!
The New York Times reported in 1991 that Ivana's divorce settlement included $14 million, a 45-room Connecticut mansion, an apartment in the Trump Plaza, and the use of Mar-a-Lago for one month a year. The divorce was finalized in 1992.
Being a billionaire he can afford to be a butthole. Can you??
1. It's obvious that he ain't no billionaire 2. I have no aspirations to be either a billionaire OR a butthole.
Well he's worth 2.5 billion. So he's a billionaire. You aren't and never will be.
His tax returns obtained legally by the NYT's say otherwise. I have even money that after paying off the 400 million he'll owe shortly along with the rest of his mountain of debt, he's worth less than a billion. Probably Mitt Romney rich - in the half billion range.
The difference is, Mitt may be out of touch, but he's not a butthole.
Oh so you think the State auditors wouldn't have caught that a long time ago.
I think you are full of shit.
Hardly anyone gets audited anymore. You should know why, but then again you should also know that Donald indeed screwed Stormy.
How the IRS Was Gutted
An eight-year campaign to slash the agency’s budget has left it understaffed, hamstrung and operating with archaic equipment. The result: billions less to fund the government. That’s good news for corporations and the wealthy.www.propublica.org
I m not looking for zero risk.okOf course it can be controlled and reduced in spread.All Biden needs to do is touch the surface where the virus is and then touch his face by putting on or taking off his mask and he has got it... Shit happens... and there isn't anything anyone can do about it unless you live in a sterile bubble..God will see to it that biden gets it.Biden was in close proximity for 90 minuets.... He gets a test too...Convenient timing after that side show they called a debate the other night. Guess they really really really didn't want to debate again. Ha. I'm sure Biden is just as pleased.
Yup. These lefty meatheads think you can control a virus.
You can't. No matter who runs the show, no matter what they have to say, no matter what they do a pandemic kills. It can't be controlled.
It will get into any country no matter the safeguards that country institutes. Its a killer and can't be controlled.
It can't be eliminated entirely, until at 80 or 90% herd immunity, via vaccination. The small pox virus was killed, eliminated, is one example
because smallpox only infects humans and has no other reservoir or infection source. It also didn't mutate into differing forms like some other viruses do.
But we still can control virus spread, through our actions... we have always been able to ....
With AIDS, wear a rubber...
With the Spanish flu, wear masks, cancelled schools, churches and gatherings of people together...
With measles, quarantine kids at home...
Only the Spanish Flu is applicable, and even then they had to balance risk of infection with risk of economic disaster.
What you are looking for is zero risk of infection at the cost of destroying the economy.
This is a messageboard, goof. I'm not at my Mom, etc. in real-world calling her a dummy, I merely joke with her about it.Hey Buddy,I don't apologize for my take, if that's what you're trying to get me to say. I offer no excuse for someone's support of a guy who brags about being in the locker rooms of teenaged girls, has been a known perv. since the 90s, has had back and forth fights with Magazines over the years for not acknowledging he is as rich as he says he is...can be found on video after video after video after video lying...and not only out of context, but literally pairs of videos where he says one thing on one, and something contradictory on another...Ok, you are still talking past me and not to me. No worries.When you say, I know the facts so I am the authority for truth, you are attempting to curtail someone else’s speech. Why is this idea so hard for you to understand?When you say, I know the facts so I am the authority for truth, you are attempting to curtail someone else’s speech. Why is this idea so hard for you to understand? Democratic norms dictate that reasonable people can have reasonable discussions. When you present the idea that the only explanation for someone to support Trump is that they are stupid, you not only dismiss the foundation of open discussion but you also make it hard for them to care about anything else you have to say. What I mean by that is, if you want others to respect what you have to say, start by respecting their right to have an opinion you think is wrong.I read it just fine - you implied that someone is trying to take someone's rights.. (you: I disagree with them, but the second you say they have no right to express that opinion at all, you are betraying democratic norms.)... away, by calling them stupid....and then went on a diatribe about why taking their rights away is bad.Wow, you didn’t read what I wrote or I failed to make it clear enough. I get you.Everyone doesn't get their own set of facts, and it doesn't matter how emotional or unfair that makes you feel, or anyone else either.Great, insults.What you are saying is completely trivial. If you think the only way to conclude that Trump is and has been bad for the Country is by arbitrary opinion, and the facts cannot support that - then it's not by some colloquial interpretation of the facts to say that you are wrong, and perhaps stupid. Universal you, in the hypothetical...not you you. You knew that.No, what I am saying, is that raw data is factual, but what we all do is use our reason to extrapolate truth out of those facts. I am not defending those who willfully stick their heads in the sand and deny reality. I am simply suggesting that reasonable people can have reasonable disagreements about what the facts “mean”. This is not me saying, Alternative Facts are anything but lies, but I am suggesting like an statistician will tell you, numbers can be manipulated to derive meaning almost any meaning, yet they are factual.That's trivial - nobody is the arbiter of what a fact is besides reality. Just because someone recognizes what the facts are, doesnt mean theyre the ones deciding its a fact...glad I could clear up that distinction, though...because it seems to me that in the interest of some magical fairness you're suggesting that everyone is entitled to their own facts.No I am not, I am suggesting that you alone are not the arbiter of what is or is not factual and what conclusions can be drawn.Are you suggesting there's not a right thing to do, and that people aren't personally responsible if they cannot understand what a fact is?Yeah, really doesn’t matter who you are supporting, the idea that you know the facts and anyone who disagrees with you is lost, is some of the most ignorant nonsense our society is dealing with right now. While I wouldn’t vote for President Trump to be my village dog catcher, I know plenty of caring, thoughtful people who see him as needed to stem the tide of over reaching government. When I talk to these folks and try to change their minds, I don’t start by calling “fucking idiots”, I reserve that distinction for folks who display their idiocy in what they have to say.To all of the "neither candidate is good and you are all being duped by the deep state" crowd,
The problem with your POV is that facts exist. Look to the facts and the path reveals itself.
Which you?
The letter. The letter u.
Or two of them, or the letter that says two of them. Double you. Or W.
All I am saying is that a reasonable person can completely disagree with you while looking at the same data. Maybe they believe that immigration and people of color are destroying our culture. I disagree with them, but the second you say they have no right to express that opinion at all, you are betraying democratic norms. There is a reason the ACLU fought for the rights of Nazis to hold a march. Freedom belongs to everyone or no one. By the way, all I have advocated for is not dismissing people before you hear why they think what they think. I fear that you do not see how your unwillingness to accept the ability of others to disagree With you, without being wrong, exists whether you wish to accept it or not. And you are exposing the most legitimate criticism of the modern left, you are intolerant of any type of digression from the doctrines of critical theory.
If your curious where that leads check out China under Mao and that is not hyperbol.
Also, it's really fucking weird you're accusing me of wanting anyone to have no right to express their opinion. What the fuck? Nobody said that. <-- see, that's a fact, and you don't get to interpret it any other way except to say, 'oh, haha, yeah I guess you're not saying that anyone isn't entitled to their opinions...I'm just saying that you GT are NOT entitled to YOURS, that they're stupid.'
Since I did none of that and didnt even imply anyone should have their rights taken away, it was just dumb of you to say all of that. You are saying trivial shit over and over again because of your antipathy for calling a spade a spade, a dumb opinion, a lack of a grasp of the facts...stupid. Reality can suck sometimes, and some people are pretty fucking stupid. Hence: Trump.
How in the world you continue to take issue with that is difficult for me to understand.
Because it's a false premise, and I didn't say it. You just have a hard time grasping that, that's not on me.
start by respecting their right
Respecting their right? I respect their right by my support of the 1st amendment. Respecting their right is not the same as respecting their content. Fucking DUH. That outlines your confusion, perfectly. Hopefully you get it now.
But understand you are attacking me because I don’t think it is fair or productive for you to dismiss support for Trump as “some people are pretty fucking stupid“. You are going down the same road that allowed Trump to beat Hillary in 2016. Not sure how you feel about that, but I’d guess if you could you’d go back in time and stop Hillary from calling almost 45% of the people who vote, deplorable, you would.
No excuse, and no excuse for supporting the most divisive President we've ever had.
Sorry not sorry - support of him is fucking stupid, sorry that hurts your or anyone's feelings but the facts are in: he's a liar, he's a womanizer, he says nefarious things about underaged girls, those are clearly disqualifying all by themselves without getting into the 6, 000 other things wrong with the fuckin' guy.
I've no problem supporting that, and you can't say @oh but biden@ because I'm not a Biden supporter and offer no excuses there, either. So...
And you can quit accusing me of trying to take anyone's rights away. That's just stupid, you're not hearing that from me. Just tough love. Trump support is stupid.
I think Trump is awful. Do you think I am defending him or the logic of those that do? I am just suggesting that if getting people to see your side is your goal, telling them they are stupid is counter-productive. When you dismiss someone as stupid or crazy it diminishes them so you do not have to take their ideas seriously. Go read ”The Yellow Wallpaper“ if you are not getting what I mean, it’s a quick read. Folks already feel diminished enough, maybe try lifting someone up instead of pushing them down?
okOf course it can be controlled and reduced in spread.All Biden needs to do is touch the surface where the virus is and then touch his face by putting on or taking off his mask and he has got it... Shit happens... and there isn't anything anyone can do about it unless you live in a sterile bubble..God will see to it that biden gets it.Biden was in close proximity for 90 minuets.... He gets a test too...Convenient timing after that side show they called a debate the other night. Guess they really really really didn't want to debate again. Ha. I'm sure Biden is just as pleased.
Yup. These lefty meatheads think you can control a virus.
You can't. No matter who runs the show, no matter what they have to say, no matter what they do a pandemic kills. It can't be controlled.
It will get into any country no matter the safeguards that country institutes. Its a killer and can't be controlled.
It can't be eliminated entirely, until at 80 or 90% herd immunity, via vaccination. The small pox virus was killed, eliminated, is one example
because smallpox only infects humans and has no other reservoir or infection source. It also didn't mutate into differing forms like some other viruses do.
But we still can control virus spread, through our actions... we have always been able to ....
With AIDS, wear a rubber...
With the Spanish flu, wear masks, cancelled schools, churches and gatherings of people together...
With measles, quarantine kids at home...
Ok, enjoy your screaming matches but don’t ever mistake what you are doing as productive or in any way thoughtful.This is a messageboard, goof. I'm not at my Mom, etc. in real-world calling her a dummy, I merely joke with her about it.Hey Buddy,I don't apologize for my take, if that's what you're trying to get me to say. I offer no excuse for someone's support of a guy who brags about being in the locker rooms of teenaged girls, has been a known perv. since the 90s, has had back and forth fights with Magazines over the years for not acknowledging he is as rich as he says he is...can be found on video after video after video after video lying...and not only out of context, but literally pairs of videos where he says one thing on one, and something contradictory on another...Ok, you are still talking past me and not to me. No worries.When you say, I know the facts so I am the authority for truth, you are attempting to curtail someone else’s speech. Why is this idea so hard for you to understand?When you say, I know the facts so I am the authority for truth, you are attempting to curtail someone else’s speech. Why is this idea so hard for you to understand? Democratic norms dictate that reasonable people can have reasonable discussions. When you present the idea that the only explanation for someone to support Trump is that they are stupid, you not only dismiss the foundation of open discussion but you also make it hard for them to care about anything else you have to say. What I mean by that is, if you want others to respect what you have to say, start by respecting their right to have an opinion you think is wrong.I read it just fine - you implied that someone is trying to take someone's rights.. (you: I disagree with them, but the second you say they have no right to express that opinion at all, you are betraying democratic norms.)... away, by calling them stupid....and then went on a diatribe about why taking their rights away is bad.Wow, you didn’t read what I wrote or I failed to make it clear enough. I get you.Everyone doesn't get their own set of facts, and it doesn't matter how emotional or unfair that makes you feel, or anyone else either.Great, insults.What you are saying is completely trivial. If you think the only way to conclude that Trump is and has been bad for the Country is by arbitrary opinion, and the facts cannot support that - then it's not by some colloquial interpretation of the facts to say that you are wrong, and perhaps stupid. Universal you, in the hypothetical...not you you. You knew that.No, what I am saying, is that raw data is factual, but what we all do is use our reason to extrapolate truth out of those facts. I am not defending those who willfully stick their heads in the sand and deny reality. I am simply suggesting that reasonable people can have reasonable disagreements about what the facts “mean”. This is not me saying, Alternative Facts are anything but lies, but I am suggesting like an statistician will tell you, numbers can be manipulated to derive meaning almost any meaning, yet they are factual.That's trivial - nobody is the arbiter of what a fact is besides reality. Just because someone recognizes what the facts are, doesnt mean theyre the ones deciding its a fact...glad I could clear up that distinction, though...because it seems to me that in the interest of some magical fairness you're suggesting that everyone is entitled to their own facts.No I am not, I am suggesting that you alone are not the arbiter of what is or is not factual and what conclusions can be drawn.Are you suggesting there's not a right thing to do, and that people aren't personally responsible if they cannot understand what a fact is?Yeah, really doesn’t matter who you are supporting, the idea that you know the facts and anyone who disagrees with you is lost, is some of the most ignorant nonsense our society is dealing with right now. While I wouldn’t vote for President Trump to be my village dog catcher, I know plenty of caring, thoughtful people who see him as needed to stem the tide of over reaching government. When I talk to these folks and try to change their minds, I don’t start by calling “fucking idiots”, I reserve that distinction for folks who display their idiocy in what they have to say.To all of the "neither candidate is good and you are all being duped by the deep state" crowd,
The problem with your POV is that facts exist. Look to the facts and the path reveals itself.
Which you?
The letter. The letter u.
Or two of them, or the letter that says two of them. Double you. Or W.
All I am saying is that a reasonable person can completely disagree with you while looking at the same data. Maybe they believe that immigration and people of color are destroying our culture. I disagree with them, but the second you say they have no right to express that opinion at all, you are betraying democratic norms. There is a reason the ACLU fought for the rights of Nazis to hold a march. Freedom belongs to everyone or no one. By the way, all I have advocated for is not dismissing people before you hear why they think what they think. I fear that you do not see how your unwillingness to accept the ability of others to disagree With you, without being wrong, exists whether you wish to accept it or not. And you are exposing the most legitimate criticism of the modern left, you are intolerant of any type of digression from the doctrines of critical theory.
If your curious where that leads check out China under Mao and that is not hyperbol.
Also, it's really fucking weird you're accusing me of wanting anyone to have no right to express their opinion. What the fuck? Nobody said that. <-- see, that's a fact, and you don't get to interpret it any other way except to say, 'oh, haha, yeah I guess you're not saying that anyone isn't entitled to their opinions...I'm just saying that you GT are NOT entitled to YOURS, that they're stupid.'
Since I did none of that and didnt even imply anyone should have their rights taken away, it was just dumb of you to say all of that. You are saying trivial shit over and over again because of your antipathy for calling a spade a spade, a dumb opinion, a lack of a grasp of the facts...stupid. Reality can suck sometimes, and some people are pretty fucking stupid. Hence: Trump.
How in the world you continue to take issue with that is difficult for me to understand.
Because it's a false premise, and I didn't say it. You just have a hard time grasping that, that's not on me.
start by respecting their right
Respecting their right? I respect their right by my support of the 1st amendment. Respecting their right is not the same as respecting their content. Fucking DUH. That outlines your confusion, perfectly. Hopefully you get it now.
But understand you are attacking me because I don’t think it is fair or productive for you to dismiss support for Trump as “some people are pretty fucking stupid“. You are going down the same road that allowed Trump to beat Hillary in 2016. Not sure how you feel about that, but I’d guess if you could you’d go back in time and stop Hillary from calling almost 45% of the people who vote, deplorable, you would.
No excuse, and no excuse for supporting the most divisive President we've ever had.
Sorry not sorry - support of him is fucking stupid, sorry that hurts your or anyone's feelings but the facts are in: he's a liar, he's a womanizer, he says nefarious things about underaged girls, those are clearly disqualifying all by themselves without getting into the 6, 000 other things wrong with the fuckin' guy.
I've no problem supporting that, and you can't say @oh but biden@ because I'm not a Biden supporter and offer no excuses there, either. So...
And you can quit accusing me of trying to take anyone's rights away. That's just stupid, you're not hearing that from me. Just tough love. Trump support is stupid.
I think Trump is awful. Do you think I am defending him or the logic of those that do? I am just suggesting that if getting people to see your side is your goal, telling them they are stupid is counter-productive. When you dismiss someone as stupid or crazy it diminishes them so you do not have to take their ideas seriously. Go read ”The Yellow Wallpaper“ if you are not getting what I mean, it’s a quick read. Folks already feel diminished enough, maybe try lifting someone up instead of pushing them down?
Their ideas are stupid, and entertaining them is what's counter-productive because the only thing blocking anyone else from seeing through Trump's carnival-barking, used car salesman schtick is cognitive/psychological. It's not fact based, it's not an argument to be had, it's Cult-like, and it's created dissonance like it does for anyone that's been involved in any cult.
Cults get membership for a reason, and it looks/seems crazy to outsiders for a reason...but it's all a function of communication and there's nothing you, me or any fact can actually do about it. It's the kool aid...it's that he actually can shoot someone on 5th avenue and not lose any support. That's a cult.
I m not looking for zero risk.okOf course it can be controlled and reduced in spread.All Biden needs to do is touch the surface where the virus is and then touch his face by putting on or taking off his mask and he has got it... Shit happens... and there isn't anything anyone can do about it unless you live in a sterile bubble..God will see to it that biden gets it.Biden was in close proximity for 90 minuets.... He gets a test too...Convenient timing after that side show they called a debate the other night. Guess they really really really didn't want to debate again. Ha. I'm sure Biden is just as pleased.
Yup. These lefty meatheads think you can control a virus.
You can't. No matter who runs the show, no matter what they have to say, no matter what they do a pandemic kills. It can't be controlled.
It will get into any country no matter the safeguards that country institutes. Its a killer and can't be controlled.
It can't be eliminated entirely, until at 80 or 90% herd immunity, via vaccination. The small pox virus was killed, eliminated, is one example
because smallpox only infects humans and has no other reservoir or infection source. It also didn't mutate into differing forms like some other viruses do.
But we still can control virus spread, through our actions... we have always been able to ....
With AIDS, wear a rubber...
With the Spanish flu, wear masks, cancelled schools, churches and gatherings of people together...
With measles, quarantine kids at home...
Only the Spanish Flu is applicable, and even then they had to balance risk of infection with risk of economic disaster.
What you are looking for is zero risk of infection at the cost of destroying the economy.
I got another one for ya..Donnie Jr's old lady had Fox News pay off somebody for dropping a sexual harassment complaint..man that whole family is crazy...Fox News Quietly Paid Kimberly Guilfoyle Accuser Over Sexual Misconduct Claims: ReportWhen Trump's 'personal assistant'..wink..wink.. tested positive you knew there was a good chance Trump would not dodge it anymore. Then he goes and passes it on to Melania. Melania should slap the hell out of Hicks for that.President Donald Trump and first lady Melania Trump tested positive for the coronavirus, he announced on Twitter early Friday.
"Tonight, @FLOTUS and I tested positive for COVID-19. We will begin our quarantine and recovery process immediately. We will get through this TOGETHER!" he tweeted.
Trump, first lady Melania Trump test positive for Covid-19
I wonder how many others are also infected? MSNBC listed 20 people earlier who had been in close proximity to Hope Hicks. Trump and Melania are among the lucky ones who actually have a full-time doctor and state-of-the-art medical facilities in the White House - plus Walter Reed Army Medical Center if needed.
You need a mental health checkup. I'd recommend you get the full test
I enjoy productive conversations with productive people. Your antipathy for calling a spade a spade doesn't help anybody, it's enabling.Ok, enjoy your screaming matches but don’t ever mistake what you are doing as productive or in any way thoughtful.This is a messageboard, goof. I'm not at my Mom, etc. in real-world calling her a dummy, I merely joke with her about it.Hey Buddy,I don't apologize for my take, if that's what you're trying to get me to say. I offer no excuse for someone's support of a guy who brags about being in the locker rooms of teenaged girls, has been a known perv. since the 90s, has had back and forth fights with Magazines over the years for not acknowledging he is as rich as he says he is...can be found on video after video after video after video lying...and not only out of context, but literally pairs of videos where he says one thing on one, and something contradictory on another...Ok, you are still talking past me and not to me. No worries.When you say, I know the facts so I am the authority for truth, you are attempting to curtail someone else’s speech. Why is this idea so hard for you to understand?When you say, I know the facts so I am the authority for truth, you are attempting to curtail someone else’s speech. Why is this idea so hard for you to understand? Democratic norms dictate that reasonable people can have reasonable discussions. When you present the idea that the only explanation for someone to support Trump is that they are stupid, you not only dismiss the foundation of open discussion but you also make it hard for them to care about anything else you have to say. What I mean by that is, if you want others to respect what you have to say, start by respecting their right to have an opinion you think is wrong.I read it just fine - you implied that someone is trying to take someone's rights.. (you: I disagree with them, but the second you say they have no right to express that opinion at all, you are betraying democratic norms.)... away, by calling them stupid....and then went on a diatribe about why taking their rights away is bad.Wow, you didn’t read what I wrote or I failed to make it clear enough. I get you.Everyone doesn't get their own set of facts, and it doesn't matter how emotional or unfair that makes you feel, or anyone else either.Great, insults.What you are saying is completely trivial. If you think the only way to conclude that Trump is and has been bad for the Country is by arbitrary opinion, and the facts cannot support that - then it's not by some colloquial interpretation of the facts to say that you are wrong, and perhaps stupid. Universal you, in the hypothetical...not you you. You knew that.No, what I am saying, is that raw data is factual, but what we all do is use our reason to extrapolate truth out of those facts. I am not defending those who willfully stick their heads in the sand and deny reality. I am simply suggesting that reasonable people can have reasonable disagreements about what the facts “mean”. This is not me saying, Alternative Facts are anything but lies, but I am suggesting like an statistician will tell you, numbers can be manipulated to derive meaning almost any meaning, yet they are factual.That's trivial - nobody is the arbiter of what a fact is besides reality. Just because someone recognizes what the facts are, doesnt mean theyre the ones deciding its a fact...glad I could clear up that distinction, though...because it seems to me that in the interest of some magical fairness you're suggesting that everyone is entitled to their own facts.No I am not, I am suggesting that you alone are not the arbiter of what is or is not factual and what conclusions can be drawn.Are you suggesting there's not a right thing to do, and that people aren't personally responsible if they cannot understand what a fact is?Yeah, really doesn’t matter who you are supporting, the idea that you know the facts and anyone who disagrees with you is lost, is some of the most ignorant nonsense our society is dealing with right now. While I wouldn’t vote for President Trump to be my village dog catcher, I know plenty of caring, thoughtful people who see him as needed to stem the tide of over reaching government. When I talk to these folks and try to change their minds, I don’t start by calling “fucking idiots”, I reserve that distinction for folks who display their idiocy in what they have to say.To all of the "neither candidate is good and you are all being duped by the deep state" crowd,
The problem with your POV is that facts exist. Look to the facts and the path reveals itself.
Which you?
The letter. The letter u.
Or two of them, or the letter that says two of them. Double you. Or W.
All I am saying is that a reasonable person can completely disagree with you while looking at the same data. Maybe they believe that immigration and people of color are destroying our culture. I disagree with them, but the second you say they have no right to express that opinion at all, you are betraying democratic norms. There is a reason the ACLU fought for the rights of Nazis to hold a march. Freedom belongs to everyone or no one. By the way, all I have advocated for is not dismissing people before you hear why they think what they think. I fear that you do not see how your unwillingness to accept the ability of others to disagree With you, without being wrong, exists whether you wish to accept it or not. And you are exposing the most legitimate criticism of the modern left, you are intolerant of any type of digression from the doctrines of critical theory.
If your curious where that leads check out China under Mao and that is not hyperbol.
Also, it's really fucking weird you're accusing me of wanting anyone to have no right to express their opinion. What the fuck? Nobody said that. <-- see, that's a fact, and you don't get to interpret it any other way except to say, 'oh, haha, yeah I guess you're not saying that anyone isn't entitled to their opinions...I'm just saying that you GT are NOT entitled to YOURS, that they're stupid.'
Since I did none of that and didnt even imply anyone should have their rights taken away, it was just dumb of you to say all of that. You are saying trivial shit over and over again because of your antipathy for calling a spade a spade, a dumb opinion, a lack of a grasp of the facts...stupid. Reality can suck sometimes, and some people are pretty fucking stupid. Hence: Trump.
How in the world you continue to take issue with that is difficult for me to understand.
Because it's a false premise, and I didn't say it. You just have a hard time grasping that, that's not on me.
start by respecting their right
Respecting their right? I respect their right by my support of the 1st amendment. Respecting their right is not the same as respecting their content. Fucking DUH. That outlines your confusion, perfectly. Hopefully you get it now.
But understand you are attacking me because I don’t think it is fair or productive for you to dismiss support for Trump as “some people are pretty fucking stupid“. You are going down the same road that allowed Trump to beat Hillary in 2016. Not sure how you feel about that, but I’d guess if you could you’d go back in time and stop Hillary from calling almost 45% of the people who vote, deplorable, you would.
No excuse, and no excuse for supporting the most divisive President we've ever had.
Sorry not sorry - support of him is fucking stupid, sorry that hurts your or anyone's feelings but the facts are in: he's a liar, he's a womanizer, he says nefarious things about underaged girls, those are clearly disqualifying all by themselves without getting into the 6, 000 other things wrong with the fuckin' guy.
I've no problem supporting that, and you can't say @oh but biden@ because I'm not a Biden supporter and offer no excuses there, either. So...
And you can quit accusing me of trying to take anyone's rights away. That's just stupid, you're not hearing that from me. Just tough love. Trump support is stupid.
I think Trump is awful. Do you think I am defending him or the logic of those that do? I am just suggesting that if getting people to see your side is your goal, telling them they are stupid is counter-productive. When you dismiss someone as stupid or crazy it diminishes them so you do not have to take their ideas seriously. Go read ”The Yellow Wallpaper“ if you are not getting what I mean, it’s a quick read. Folks already feel diminished enough, maybe try lifting someone up instead of pushing them down?
Their ideas are stupid, and entertaining them is what's counter-productive because the only thing blocking anyone else from seeing through Trump's carnival-barking, used car salesman schtick is cognitive/psychological. It's not fact based, it's not an argument to be had, it's Cult-like, and it's created dissonance like it does for anyone that's been involved in any cult.
Cults get membership for a reason, and it looks/seems crazy to outsiders for a reason...but it's all a function of communication and there's nothing you, me or any fact can actually do about it. It's the kool aid...it's that he actually can shoot someone on 5th avenue and not lose any support. That's a cult.
Only in your dreams... This is a VIRUS, a micro organism that lives in the air and in water vapor.. Tell me how you think your going to stop it and control it... I'll wait..Of course it can be controlled and reduced in spread.
I got another one for ya..Donnie Jr's old lady had Fox News pay off somebody for dropping a sexual harassment complaint..man that whole family is crazy...Fox News Quietly Paid Kimberly Guilfoyle Accuser Over Sexual Misconduct Claims: ReportWhen Trump's 'personal assistant'..wink..wink.. tested positive you knew there was a good chance Trump would not dodge it anymore. Then he goes and passes it on to Melania. Melania should slap the hell out of Hicks for that.President Donald Trump and first lady Melania Trump tested positive for the coronavirus, he announced on Twitter early Friday.
"Tonight, @FLOTUS and I tested positive for COVID-19. We will begin our quarantine and recovery process immediately. We will get through this TOGETHER!" he tweeted.
Trump, first lady Melania Trump test positive for Covid-19
I wonder how many others are also infected? MSNBC listed 20 people earlier who had been in close proximity to Hope Hicks. Trump and Melania are among the lucky ones who actually have a full-time doctor and state-of-the-art medical facilities in the White House - plus Walter Reed Army Medical Center if needed.
You need a mental health checkup. I'd recommend you get the full test
I enjoy productive conversations with productive people. Your antipathy for calling a spade a spade doesn't help anybody, it's enabling.Ok, enjoy your screaming matches but don’t ever mistake what you are doing as productive or in any way thoughtful.This is a messageboard, goof. I'm not at my Mom, etc. in real-world calling her a dummy, I merely joke with her about it.Hey Buddy,I don't apologize for my take, if that's what you're trying to get me to say. I offer no excuse for someone's support of a guy who brags about being in the locker rooms of teenaged girls, has been a known perv. since the 90s, has had back and forth fights with Magazines over the years for not acknowledging he is as rich as he says he is...can be found on video after video after video after video lying...and not only out of context, but literally pairs of videos where he says one thing on one, and something contradictory on another...Ok, you are still talking past me and not to me. No worries.When you say, I know the facts so I am the authority for truth, you are attempting to curtail someone else’s speech. Why is this idea so hard for you to understand?When you say, I know the facts so I am the authority for truth, you are attempting to curtail someone else’s speech. Why is this idea so hard for you to understand? Democratic norms dictate that reasonable people can have reasonable discussions. When you present the idea that the only explanation for someone to support Trump is that they are stupid, you not only dismiss the foundation of open discussion but you also make it hard for them to care about anything else you have to say. What I mean by that is, if you want others to respect what you have to say, start by respecting their right to have an opinion you think is wrong.I read it just fine - you implied that someone is trying to take someone's rights.. (you: I disagree with them, but the second you say they have no right to express that opinion at all, you are betraying democratic norms.)... away, by calling them stupid....and then went on a diatribe about why taking their rights away is bad.Wow, you didn’t read what I wrote or I failed to make it clear enough. I get you.Everyone doesn't get their own set of facts, and it doesn't matter how emotional or unfair that makes you feel, or anyone else either.Great, insults.What you are saying is completely trivial. If you think the only way to conclude that Trump is and has been bad for the Country is by arbitrary opinion, and the facts cannot support that - then it's not by some colloquial interpretation of the facts to say that you are wrong, and perhaps stupid. Universal you, in the hypothetical...not you you. You knew that.No, what I am saying, is that raw data is factual, but what we all do is use our reason to extrapolate truth out of those facts. I am not defending those who willfully stick their heads in the sand and deny reality. I am simply suggesting that reasonable people can have reasonable disagreements about what the facts “mean”. This is not me saying, Alternative Facts are anything but lies, but I am suggesting like an statistician will tell you, numbers can be manipulated to derive meaning almost any meaning, yet they are factual.That's trivial - nobody is the arbiter of what a fact is besides reality. Just because someone recognizes what the facts are, doesnt mean theyre the ones deciding its a fact...glad I could clear up that distinction, though...because it seems to me that in the interest of some magical fairness you're suggesting that everyone is entitled to their own facts.No I am not, I am suggesting that you alone are not the arbiter of what is or is not factual and what conclusions can be drawn.Are you suggesting there's not a right thing to do, and that people aren't personally responsible if they cannot understand what a fact is?Yeah, really doesn’t matter who you are supporting, the idea that you know the facts and anyone who disagrees with you is lost, is some of the most ignorant nonsense our society is dealing with right now. While I wouldn’t vote for President Trump to be my village dog catcher, I know plenty of caring, thoughtful people who see him as needed to stem the tide of over reaching government. When I talk to these folks and try to change their minds, I don’t start by calling “fucking idiots”, I reserve that distinction for folks who display their idiocy in what they have to say.To all of the "neither candidate is good and you are all being duped by the deep state" crowd,
The problem with your POV is that facts exist. Look to the facts and the path reveals itself.
Which you?
The letter. The letter u.
Or two of them, or the letter that says two of them. Double you. Or W.
All I am saying is that a reasonable person can completely disagree with you while looking at the same data. Maybe they believe that immigration and people of color are destroying our culture. I disagree with them, but the second you say they have no right to express that opinion at all, you are betraying democratic norms. There is a reason the ACLU fought for the rights of Nazis to hold a march. Freedom belongs to everyone or no one. By the way, all I have advocated for is not dismissing people before you hear why they think what they think. I fear that you do not see how your unwillingness to accept the ability of others to disagree With you, without being wrong, exists whether you wish to accept it or not. And you are exposing the most legitimate criticism of the modern left, you are intolerant of any type of digression from the doctrines of critical theory.
If your curious where that leads check out China under Mao and that is not hyperbol.
Also, it's really fucking weird you're accusing me of wanting anyone to have no right to express their opinion. What the fuck? Nobody said that. <-- see, that's a fact, and you don't get to interpret it any other way except to say, 'oh, haha, yeah I guess you're not saying that anyone isn't entitled to their opinions...I'm just saying that you GT are NOT entitled to YOURS, that they're stupid.'
Since I did none of that and didnt even imply anyone should have their rights taken away, it was just dumb of you to say all of that. You are saying trivial shit over and over again because of your antipathy for calling a spade a spade, a dumb opinion, a lack of a grasp of the facts...stupid. Reality can suck sometimes, and some people are pretty fucking stupid. Hence: Trump.
How in the world you continue to take issue with that is difficult for me to understand.
Because it's a false premise, and I didn't say it. You just have a hard time grasping that, that's not on me.
start by respecting their right
Respecting their right? I respect their right by my support of the 1st amendment. Respecting their right is not the same as respecting their content. Fucking DUH. That outlines your confusion, perfectly. Hopefully you get it now.
But understand you are attacking me because I don’t think it is fair or productive for you to dismiss support for Trump as “some people are pretty fucking stupid“. You are going down the same road that allowed Trump to beat Hillary in 2016. Not sure how you feel about that, but I’d guess if you could you’d go back in time and stop Hillary from calling almost 45% of the people who vote, deplorable, you would.
No excuse, and no excuse for supporting the most divisive President we've ever had.
Sorry not sorry - support of him is fucking stupid, sorry that hurts your or anyone's feelings but the facts are in: he's a liar, he's a womanizer, he says nefarious things about underaged girls, those are clearly disqualifying all by themselves without getting into the 6, 000 other things wrong with the fuckin' guy.
I've no problem supporting that, and you can't say @oh but biden@ because I'm not a Biden supporter and offer no excuses there, either. So...
And you can quit accusing me of trying to take anyone's rights away. That's just stupid, you're not hearing that from me. Just tough love. Trump support is stupid.
I think Trump is awful. Do you think I am defending him or the logic of those that do? I am just suggesting that if getting people to see your side is your goal, telling them they are stupid is counter-productive. When you dismiss someone as stupid or crazy it diminishes them so you do not have to take their ideas seriously. Go read ”The Yellow Wallpaper“ if you are not getting what I mean, it’s a quick read. Folks already feel diminished enough, maybe try lifting someone up instead of pushing them down?
Their ideas are stupid, and entertaining them is what's counter-productive because the only thing blocking anyone else from seeing through Trump's carnival-barking, used car salesman schtick is cognitive/psychological. It's not fact based, it's not an argument to be had, it's Cult-like, and it's created dissonance like it does for anyone that's been involved in any cult.
Cults get membership for a reason, and it looks/seems crazy to outsiders for a reason...but it's all a function of communication and there's nothing you, me or any fact can actually do about it. It's the kool aid...it's that he actually can shoot someone on 5th avenue and not lose any support. That's a cult.
I enjoy productive conversations with productive people. Your antipathy for calling a spade a spade doesn't help anybody, it's enabling.Ok, enjoy your screaming matches but don’t ever mistake what you are doing as productive or in any way thoughtful.This is a messageboard, goof. I'm not at my Mom, etc. in real-world calling her a dummy, I merely joke with her about it.Hey Buddy,I don't apologize for my take, if that's what you're trying to get me to say. I offer no excuse for someone's support of a guy who brags about being in the locker rooms of teenaged girls, has been a known perv. since the 90s, has had back and forth fights with Magazines over the years for not acknowledging he is as rich as he says he is...can be found on video after video after video after video lying...and not only out of context, but literally pairs of videos where he says one thing on one, and something contradictory on another...Ok, you are still talking past me and not to me. No worries.When you say, I know the facts so I am the authority for truth, you are attempting to curtail someone else’s speech. Why is this idea so hard for you to understand?When you say, I know the facts so I am the authority for truth, you are attempting to curtail someone else’s speech. Why is this idea so hard for you to understand? Democratic norms dictate that reasonable people can have reasonable discussions. When you present the idea that the only explanation for someone to support Trump is that they are stupid, you not only dismiss the foundation of open discussion but you also make it hard for them to care about anything else you have to say. What I mean by that is, if you want others to respect what you have to say, start by respecting their right to have an opinion you think is wrong.I read it just fine - you implied that someone is trying to take someone's rights.. (you: I disagree with them, but the second you say they have no right to express that opinion at all, you are betraying democratic norms.)... away, by calling them stupid....and then went on a diatribe about why taking their rights away is bad.Wow, you didn’t read what I wrote or I failed to make it clear enough. I get you.Everyone doesn't get their own set of facts, and it doesn't matter how emotional or unfair that makes you feel, or anyone else either.Great, insults.What you are saying is completely trivial. If you think the only way to conclude that Trump is and has been bad for the Country is by arbitrary opinion, and the facts cannot support that - then it's not by some colloquial interpretation of the facts to say that you are wrong, and perhaps stupid. Universal you, in the hypothetical...not you you. You knew that.No, what I am saying, is that raw data is factual, but what we all do is use our reason to extrapolate truth out of those facts. I am not defending those who willfully stick their heads in the sand and deny reality. I am simply suggesting that reasonable people can have reasonable disagreements about what the facts “mean”. This is not me saying, Alternative Facts are anything but lies, but I am suggesting like an statistician will tell you, numbers can be manipulated to derive meaning almost any meaning, yet they are factual.That's trivial - nobody is the arbiter of what a fact is besides reality. Just because someone recognizes what the facts are, doesnt mean theyre the ones deciding its a fact...glad I could clear up that distinction, though...because it seems to me that in the interest of some magical fairness you're suggesting that everyone is entitled to their own facts.No I am not, I am suggesting that you alone are not the arbiter of what is or is not factual and what conclusions can be drawn.Are you suggesting there's not a right thing to do, and that people aren't personally responsible if they cannot understand what a fact is?Yeah, really doesn’t matter who you are supporting, the idea that you know the facts and anyone who disagrees with you is lost, is some of the most ignorant nonsense our society is dealing with right now. While I wouldn’t vote for President Trump to be my village dog catcher, I know plenty of caring, thoughtful people who see him as needed to stem the tide of over reaching government. When I talk to these folks and try to change their minds, I don’t start by calling “fucking idiots”, I reserve that distinction for folks who display their idiocy in what they have to say.To all of the "neither candidate is good and you are all being duped by the deep state" crowd,
The problem with your POV is that facts exist. Look to the facts and the path reveals itself.
Which you?
The letter. The letter u.
Or two of them, or the letter that says two of them. Double you. Or W.
All I am saying is that a reasonable person can completely disagree with you while looking at the same data. Maybe they believe that immigration and people of color are destroying our culture. I disagree with them, but the second you say they have no right to express that opinion at all, you are betraying democratic norms. There is a reason the ACLU fought for the rights of Nazis to hold a march. Freedom belongs to everyone or no one. By the way, all I have advocated for is not dismissing people before you hear why they think what they think. I fear that you do not see how your unwillingness to accept the ability of others to disagree With you, without being wrong, exists whether you wish to accept it or not. And you are exposing the most legitimate criticism of the modern left, you are intolerant of any type of digression from the doctrines of critical theory.
If your curious where that leads check out China under Mao and that is not hyperbol.
Also, it's really fucking weird you're accusing me of wanting anyone to have no right to express their opinion. What the fuck? Nobody said that. <-- see, that's a fact, and you don't get to interpret it any other way except to say, 'oh, haha, yeah I guess you're not saying that anyone isn't entitled to their opinions...I'm just saying that you GT are NOT entitled to YOURS, that they're stupid.'
Since I did none of that and didnt even imply anyone should have their rights taken away, it was just dumb of you to say all of that. You are saying trivial shit over and over again because of your antipathy for calling a spade a spade, a dumb opinion, a lack of a grasp of the facts...stupid. Reality can suck sometimes, and some people are pretty fucking stupid. Hence: Trump.
How in the world you continue to take issue with that is difficult for me to understand.
Because it's a false premise, and I didn't say it. You just have a hard time grasping that, that's not on me.
start by respecting their right
Respecting their right? I respect their right by my support of the 1st amendment. Respecting their right is not the same as respecting their content. Fucking DUH. That outlines your confusion, perfectly. Hopefully you get it now.
But understand you are attacking me because I don’t think it is fair or productive for you to dismiss support for Trump as “some people are pretty fucking stupid“. You are going down the same road that allowed Trump to beat Hillary in 2016. Not sure how you feel about that, but I’d guess if you could you’d go back in time and stop Hillary from calling almost 45% of the people who vote, deplorable, you would.
No excuse, and no excuse for supporting the most divisive President we've ever had.
Sorry not sorry - support of him is fucking stupid, sorry that hurts your or anyone's feelings but the facts are in: he's a liar, he's a womanizer, he says nefarious things about underaged girls, those are clearly disqualifying all by themselves without getting into the 6, 000 other things wrong with the fuckin' guy.
I've no problem supporting that, and you can't say @oh but biden@ because I'm not a Biden supporter and offer no excuses there, either. So...
And you can quit accusing me of trying to take anyone's rights away. That's just stupid, you're not hearing that from me. Just tough love. Trump support is stupid.
I think Trump is awful. Do you think I am defending him or the logic of those that do? I am just suggesting that if getting people to see your side is your goal, telling them they are stupid is counter-productive. When you dismiss someone as stupid or crazy it diminishes them so you do not have to take their ideas seriously. Go read ”The Yellow Wallpaper“ if you are not getting what I mean, it’s a quick read. Folks already feel diminished enough, maybe try lifting someone up instead of pushing them down?
Their ideas are stupid, and entertaining them is what's counter-productive because the only thing blocking anyone else from seeing through Trump's carnival-barking, used car salesman schtick is cognitive/psychological. It's not fact based, it's not an argument to be had, it's Cult-like, and it's created dissonance like it does for anyone that's been involved in any cult.
Cults get membership for a reason, and it looks/seems crazy to outsiders for a reason...but it's all a function of communication and there's nothing you, me or any fact can actually do about it. It's the kool aid...it's that he actually can shoot someone on 5th avenue and not lose any support. That's a cult.
The idea that there are people who continue to support Trump who could be "converted" is foolish. Nobody who STILL intends to cast a vote
for him is concerned with facts and cannot be influenced by any argument which is based on them. Calling them stupid does not represent any
risk of turning them off to the alternative.
