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Are you a Muslim ? Why are so you concerned ? And the thought of being killed in nuclear bomb blast doesn't concern you ? You think you're immune somehow ? Immune from shooter jihadists too ? How about contagious biologicals ? Think that can't get to you ?So you want to ignore everything that happened?
After 9/11 Bush started to do something. He got the right riled up, and now Trump is taking over and expanding what Bush did. Hence, talking about Bush is talking about Trump. Not hard is it?
It's kind of like talking about why WW2 happened without being able to talk about anything that went on before 3rd September 1939. That's just not the way things go, sorry if you don't like it.
I might get an answer, doesn't mean I accept your answer. This is a debate, this isn't you say stuff and then I just go agree with you, you know this, right?
130 people died in Paris. Okay, who committed these acts?
Well. Men committed these acts. Men are threats.
Belgians committed these acts. Ban Belgians, and French.
Extremist Muslims committed these acts. Ban extremist Muslims.
Human beings committed these acts, ban human beings.
Oh, wait, no. You've chosen which group you want the emphasis to be, and you're digging your heels in, and then vilify 1 billion people based on the actions of half a dozen people. if half a dozen people represent the whole of Islam, then who represents the whole of Christianity?
Christians who shoot up Planned Parenthood places?
Do you see what you're doing? You're vilifying ALL MUSLIMS and the only reason you're doing this is because YOU have chosen the grouping that these people are going into and then deciding to vilify EVERYONE who is in this group. That's a definition of ridiculous.
You explained nothing. ISIS could Trojan Horse in with th eMuslms and that's why they are a threat. - some people have to be told twice (or is it 3 ?)You explained, I explained back.
Most Muslims aren't a threat and to suggest otherwise is simply wrong.
Extremist Muslims are a threat.
Just like gun owners aren't a threat, but gun owners with an intent are a threat.
But like I've said twice before, if you vilify EVERYONE and make this the case for imposing things on people, then it'll be done to you at some point.
Slow down? You should keep up.
No, it won't be done to me. It's done to Muslims for a reason.(which doesn't apply to non-Muslims (you're grasping at straws - go to bed)
Ask the immigration dept. I'm not in charge of it. I'd say they'll figure out a way to do it. Not my job. Not my problem.I asked a question, you're avoiding the answer.
HOW DO YOU PROVE SOMEONE IS A MUSLIM?
If you can't prove someone is a Muslim, then what's the point of banning Muslims? As the only ones who will get in are the DAMN TERRORISTS.
Are you a Muslim ? Why are so you concerned ? And the thought of being killed in nuclear bomb blast doesn't concern you ? You think you're immune somehow ? Immune from shooter jihadists too ? How about contagious biologicals ? Think that can't get to you ?So you want to ignore everything that happened?
After 9/11 Bush started to do something. He got the right riled up, and now Trump is taking over and expanding what Bush did. Hence, talking about Bush is talking about Trump. Not hard is it?
It's kind of like talking about why WW2 happened without being able to talk about anything that went on before 3rd September 1939. That's just not the way things go, sorry if you don't like it.
I might get an answer, doesn't mean I accept your answer. This is a debate, this isn't you say stuff and then I just go agree with you, you know this, right?
130 people died in Paris. Okay, who committed these acts?
Well. Men committed these acts. Men are threats.
Belgians committed these acts. Ban Belgians, and French.
Extremist Muslims committed these acts. Ban extremist Muslims.
Human beings committed these acts, ban human beings.
Oh, wait, no. You've chosen which group you want the emphasis to be, and you're digging your heels in, and then vilify 1 billion people based on the actions of half a dozen people. if half a dozen people represent the whole of Islam, then who represents the whole of Christianity?
Christians who shoot up Planned Parenthood places?
Do you see what you're doing? You're vilifying ALL MUSLIMS and the only reason you're doing this is because YOU have chosen the grouping that these people are going into and then deciding to vilify EVERYONE who is in this group. That's a definition of ridiculous.
1. The "radicalize Islamic Extremists" line isAm I a Muslim? I'm not giving you personal details of my life.
Why am I concerned?
I believe in Human Rights.
Trump's rhetoric is scary, it's causing problems in the world, it's vilifying people, it's taking away the freedom that I believe should exist.
Does the thought of a nuclear bomb concern me? Sure it does, and the ONLY country that has shown it's willing to drop one of those on people just happens to be the USA.
I fear Islamic EXTREMISTS, I fear politicians like Trump and Bush who radicalize Islamic Extremists, invade other countries and use force and power to get their own way, and use it as justification for taking away people's rights.
What is scariest of all is the attitude you have that it's okay to take away the rights of others, but as long as you feel secure then it's okay.
I feel that you take away rights from one group, you take them away from all, they become privileges.
red herring. You got a war. Fight it with everything you've got. If you're pulling backwards you gonna lose.
You are a Muslim with a subjective, biased, warped, view here. A "bad idea" to protect Americans from NUCLEAR annihilation ? Go to bed. I mean really. No suggestion was ever more slam-dunk, turn-key than this one to keep Muslims out.You're the one suggesting this be implemented. If you can't figure out what you'd do, then don't suggest it.
It very much sounds like you're quick off the draw, like Trump, with ideas, but very, VERY slow to explain what would actually happen.
Basically, a bad idea, are you still going to support a bad idea?
Most Muslims aren't a threat and to suggest otherwise is simply wrong.
Extremist Muslims are a threat.
MUSLIMS are not a threat. Extremist Muslims are. How many times do YOU need to be told?
So, are you saying that State and/or INS need an "Extremist Muslim test"...perhaps the swimming test: innocents sink whereas witches float?
1. The "radicalize Islamic Extremists" line isAm I a Muslim? I'm not giving you personal details of my life.
Why am I concerned?
I believe in Human Rights.
Trump's rhetoric is scary, it's causing problems in the world, it's vilifying people, it's taking away the freedom that I believe should exist.
Does the thought of a nuclear bomb concern me? Sure it does, and the ONLY country that has shown it's willing to drop one of those on people just happens to be the USA.
I fear Islamic EXTREMISTS, I fear politicians like Trump and Bush who radicalize Islamic Extremists, invade other countries and use force and power to get their own way, and use it as justification for taking away people's rights.
What is scariest of all is the attitude you have that it's okay to take away the rights of others, but as long as you feel secure then it's okay.
I feel that you take away rights from one group, you take them away from all, they become privileges.
2. It sounds like you are clueless about why US troops have been in the middle east. (God, how many times do I have to explain this to these ignorant liberals, whose media massively omits information)
3. I'm OK with some of MY rights being taken away, to support national security.
4. I didn't always "feel secure" when I was in Iraq (August, Sept., October 2015) + 5 days in Afghanistan
5. Taking rights away from one group, for a specific reason, doesn't affect anyone except that one group (who, in this case are not even Americans)
6. If you were not a Muslim, you would have just said NO. So you should recuse yourself from this debate, Mohammed, since you cannot be objective, as you are a vested interest.
You are a Muslim with a subjective, biased, warped, view here. A "bad idea" to protect Americans from NUCLEAR annihilation ? Go to bed. I mean really. No suggestion was ever more slam-dunk, turn-key than this one to keep Muslims out.You're the one suggesting this be implemented. If you can't figure out what you'd do, then don't suggest it.
It very much sounds like you're quick off the draw, like Trump, with ideas, but very, VERY slow to explain what would actually happen.
Basically, a bad idea, are you still going to support a bad idea?
What? It's December and Trump is still leading every poll and dominating the newscycle??
That was a direct question if he would ask them their religion. Mr Trump never said that was the only question agents would ask. Right now you could prevent everybody from some Muslim countries because they don't let Christians live let alone live there. Carter did it. Eisenhower did it. Roosevelt did it. The people are behind Trump. Up 8% to 38%.And Drumpf's "plan" is very impressive. What a " idea to just ask them at the border -
Are you Muslim?
If they say yes, don't let them in.
The guy is brilliant.
BTW, our vetting for refugees currently includes more than 19 layers of inquiry and takes up to two years. LyinRyan's vetting "plan" would weaken that.
If only we had Drumpf in the WH - we could just ASK THEM if they're terrorists.
Meanwhile, the RWNJs agree with the NRA/GOP that we should be handing out AR-15s to known and suspected terrorists.
(You RWNJs are just plain stupid.)
Trump tells MSNBC: We’d screen Muslims by asking them, “Are you Muslim?”
. Have them eat a piece of bacon.How do you prove someone is a Muslim?
Its not the only test. Until you prove a Muslim isn't a threat to our safety, you don't let any of them in.1. If they say they are.How do you prove someone is a Muslim?
2. If the women wear head scarves.
3. If they get ruffled, when you say Mo the Pedophile was a dirtbag, thief, rapist, wife-beater, child molester, mass murderer, slaveowner, and a pathetic dumbass.
So if they are, but say they're not, they can go into the US?
If a woman wears a headscarf, she's a Muslim?
Would you ban this woman from going to the US?
So, a male, says he's not a Muslim, can enter the US without problems then under Trump's plan?
Do you think a terrorist would admit to being a Muslim if he knew that Muslims couldn't get into the US?
Do you see how bad a plan this is by Trump?
If you think it was simply Belgians committing the Paris murders, you are nuts. Islamic extremists is the operative words describing the murderers.But THIS THREAD is not about Bush, or "the right". It's about TRUMP. Right now in December 2015. GOT IT ?Rubbish. The right has been doing this since Bush was in power. Hence why a lot of people think ALL MUSLIMS are a threat. You can ignore this fact if you wish, but it's there.
Simple as that? Read my last post.
Most Muslims aren't a threat to the US. So if you're going to ban ALL of a group that is a threat, then you're going down a very slippery slope.
Who are threats? Who decides who are threats? As I said, gun owners are a threat, and anyone could make such a claim, hence if you start out with such a thing, you better be prepared when it goes against you.
You don't have to ask me who are threats. I answered that already in Post # 26. You got your answer. And as far as going against YOU, it already has when 130 people died in Paris because of your liberal, assinine gun-free zone policy, and 14 more in San Benardino
So you want to ignore everything that happened?
After 9/11 Bush started to do something. He got the right riled up, and now Trump is taking over and expanding what Bush did. Hence, talking about Bush is talking about Trump. Not hard is it?
It's kind of like talking about why WW2 happened without being able to talk about anything that went on before 3rd September 1939. That's just not the way things go, sorry if you don't like it.
I might get an answer, doesn't mean I accept your answer. This is a debate, this isn't you say stuff and then I just go agree with you, you know this, right?
130 people died in Paris. Okay, who committed these acts?
Well. Men committed these acts. Men are threats.
Belgians committed these acts. Ban Belgians, and French.
Extremist Muslims committed these acts. Ban extremist Muslims.
Human beings committed these acts, ban human beings.
Oh, wait, no. You've chosen which group you want the emphasis to be, and you're digging your heels in, and then vilify 1 billion people based on the actions of half a dozen people. if half a dozen people represent the whole of Islam, then who represents the whole of Christianity?
Christians who shoot up Planned Parenthood places?
Do you see what you're doing? You're vilifying ALL MUSLIMS and the only reason you're doing this is because YOU have chosen the grouping that these people are going into and then deciding to vilify EVERYONE who is in this group. That's a definition of ridiculous.
Its not the only test. Until you prove a Muslim isn't a threat to our safety, you don't let any of them in.
So we let all Muslims in with no vetting? Is that your genius plan?I'm sure they can work out. And you're sure too.So if they are, but say they're not, they can go into the US?
If a woman wears a headscarf, she's a Muslim?
Would you ban this woman from going to the US?
So, a male, says he's not a Muslim, can enter the US without problems then under Trump's plan?
Do you think a terrorist would admit to being a Muslim if he knew that Muslims couldn't get into the US?
Do you see how bad a plan this is by Trump?
I asked a question, you're avoiding the answer.
HOW DO YOU PROVE SOMEONE IS A MUSLIM?
If you can't prove someone is a Muslim, then what's the point of banning Muslims? As the only ones who will get in are the DAMN TERRORISTS.
Taking away rights? Explain what right there is for people to come to this country? People don't have a right to immigrate here.Are you a Muslim ? Why are so you concerned ? And the thought of being killed in nuclear bomb blast doesn't concern you ? You think you're immune somehow ? Immune from shooter jihadists too ? How about contagious biologicals ? Think that can't get to you ?So you want to ignore everything that happened?
After 9/11 Bush started to do something. He got the right riled up, and now Trump is taking over and expanding what Bush did. Hence, talking about Bush is talking about Trump. Not hard is it?
It's kind of like talking about why WW2 happened without being able to talk about anything that went on before 3rd September 1939. That's just not the way things go, sorry if you don't like it.
I might get an answer, doesn't mean I accept your answer. This is a debate, this isn't you say stuff and then I just go agree with you, you know this, right?
130 people died in Paris. Okay, who committed these acts?
Well. Men committed these acts. Men are threats.
Belgians committed these acts. Ban Belgians, and French.
Extremist Muslims committed these acts. Ban extremist Muslims.
Human beings committed these acts, ban human beings.
Oh, wait, no. You've chosen which group you want the emphasis to be, and you're digging your heels in, and then vilify 1 billion people based on the actions of half a dozen people. if half a dozen people represent the whole of Islam, then who represents the whole of Christianity?
Christians who shoot up Planned Parenthood places?
Do you see what you're doing? You're vilifying ALL MUSLIMS and the only reason you're doing this is because YOU have chosen the grouping that these people are going into and then deciding to vilify EVERYONE who is in this group. That's a definition of ridiculous.
Am I a Muslim? I'm not giving you personal details of my life.
Why am I concerned?
I believe in Human Rights.
Trump's rhetoric is scary, it's causing problems in the world, it's vilifying people, it's taking away the freedom that I believe should exist.
Does the thought of a nuclear bomb concern me? Sure it does, and the ONLY country that has shown it's willing to drop one of those on people just happens to be the USA.
I fear Islamic EXTREMISTS, I fear politicians like Trump and Bush who radicalize Islamic Extremists, invade other countries and use force and power to get their own way, and use it as justification for taking away people's rights.
What is scariest of all is the attitude you have that it's okay to take away the rights of others, but as long as you feel secure then it's okay.
I feel that you take away rights from one group, you take them away from all, they become privileges.
