Trump must shed his illusions

[barryqwalsh]

Donald Trump’s praise of Vladimir Putin as “very smart” does not diminish the need for strong retaliation against Russia over its outrageous cyberespionage. The president-elect’s insouciance flies in the face of the alarm sounded by his country’s intelligence agencies, as well as those of close allies such as Britain, about persistent, Kremlin-directed attempts to interfere in the electoral processes of Western democracies. Asked about Moscow’s hacking Mr Trump said we should “get on with our lives”, adding that “the whole age of the computer has made it where nobody knows exactly what’s going on”. It’s hard to know what to make of that beyond seeing it as the latest of the excuses the president-elect has made for egregious behaviour by Mr Putin. Mr Trump is in the unprecedented position of lining up with the Russian leader against an incumbent US President.

Mr Trump is wrong to dismiss Russian hacking as some sort of minor nuisance. Barack Obama’s retaliation in expelling 35 Russian diplomats may have been tardy. It may, as respected Republicans such as Senator John McCain and House Speaker Paul Ryan believe, be too little too late. But it is the most serious breach in Washington’s relations with Moscow since the Cold War and deserves support from the incoming president.

Mr Trump’s desire for improved relations with Russia is understandable. But he needs to realise it is a regime which, as The Times notes, “has assassinated political opponents, murdered journalists, jailed dissidents, repressed homosexuals, shot down a civilian airliner, altered the boundaries of Europe through force, and enabled the tyrant Bashar al-Assad to prevail”.

Intelligence agencies believe Russian hackers stole data that was passed on to WikiLeaks to damage Hillary Clinton’s chances. There is evidence they have been doing the same to influence upcoming French and German elections. Mr Trump needs to do better than just shrug his shoulders. Falling for the same illusions Mr Obama held about Mr Putin for too long would be a bad start to the Trump term in the White House.




http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opi...s/news-story/a59a367df43f6fcb49ec201b741367d7

 

[easyt65]

Once Barry produces definitive evidence the Russians did anything I will agree about punishing the Russians. He has not done so, and Julian Assange just called him out by declaring it wasn't the Russians.

Most of the world is waiting for President 'Lie of the Year' to make his case.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Once Barry produces definitive evidence the Russians did anything I will agree about punishing the Russians. He has not done so, and Julian Assange just called him out by declaring it wasn't the Russians.

Most of the world is waiting for President 'Lie of the Year' to make his case.

Julian Assange is nothing, you are nothing, the President is something, and the intel agencies all agree that it happened. End of story.

 

[pismoe]

let the Trump do sanctions if and when he wants to based on info that he and his team deem to be reliable Barry .

 

[easyt65]

Julian Assange is nothing, you are nothing, the President is something, and the intel agencies all agree that it happened. End of story.

Yet you can't produce one piece of evidence showing it definitively happened...

You snowflakes bashed Intel over the WMD in Iraq...but suddely they are beyond any question or doubt...

...and you want us to take Mr. LIE OF THE YEAR's word for it.?!



As they say, put up or shut up...

 

[pismoe]

no reason at all for the TRUMP to trust mrobama Barry .

 

[easyt65]

End of story.

Yeah, like Global Climate Warming Change is 'Settled Science'.

 

[JakeStarkey]

End of story.

Yeah, like Global Climate Warming Change is 'Settled Science'.

Your post is off OP and makes no sense. However, it is obvious that you agree with then the material left off the sliced post, "Julian Assange is nothing, you [easyt] are nothing, the President is something, and the intel agencies all agree that it happened."

 

[easyt65]

Your post is off OP and makes no sense.

So NO EVIDENCE...got it. Thanks.

 

[whitehall]

It's a historical fact that FDR used to refer to Stalin as "uncle Joe" and make jokes at Churchill's expense.The liberal media at the time protected FDR and ignored the affront to the British icon. It isn't much different today where the dishonest American media ignores the fact that China hacked American corporate and security records in the last couple of years. Where was Hussein when Russia allegedly hacked the U.S. electoral system and why didn't he complain about it until Hillary lost? Even a foreign poster should be able to deduct that Hussein's sudden outrage about alleged Russian hacking in his last month in office is nothing but political smoke and mirrors.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Your post is off OP and makes no sense.

So NO EVIDENCE...got it. Thanks.

And you continue to slice the whole post. "Your post is off OP and makes no sense. However, it is obvious that you agree with then the material left off the sliced post, "Julian Assange is nothing, you [easyt] are nothing, the President is something, and the intel agencies all agree that it happened." Your "So NO EVIDENCE" certainly defines your poor attempts.

OK, no reply by you. Got it.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Donald Trump’s praise of Vladimir Putin as “very smart” does not diminish the need for strong retaliation against Russia over its outrageous cyberespionage. The president-elect’s insouciance flies in the face of the alarm sounded by his country’s intelligence agencies, as well as those of close allies such as Britain, about persistent, Kremlin-directed attempts to interfere in the electoral processes of Western democracies. Asked about Moscow’s hacking Mr Trump said we should “get on with our lives”, adding that “the whole age of the computer has made it where nobody knows exactly what’s going on”. It’s hard to know what to make of that beyond seeing it as the latest of the excuses the president-elect has made for egregious behaviour by Mr Putin. Mr Trump is in the unprecedented position of lining up with the Russian leader against an incumbent US President.

Mr Trump is wrong to dismiss Russian hacking as some sort of minor nuisance. Barack Obama’s retaliation in expelling 35 Russian diplomats may have been tardy. It may, as respected Republicans such as Senator John McCain and House Speaker Paul Ryan believe, be too little too late. But it is the most serious breach in Washington’s relations with Moscow since the Cold War and deserves support from the incoming president.

Mr Trump’s desire for improved relations with Russia is understandable. But he needs to realise it is a regime which, as The Times notes, “has assassinated political opponents, murdered journalists, jailed dissidents, repressed homosexuals, shot down a civilian airliner, altered the boundaries of Europe through force, and enabled the tyrant Bashar al-Assad to prevail”.

Intelligence agencies believe Russian hackers stole data that was passed on to WikiLeaks to damage Hillary Clinton’s chances. There is evidence they have been doing the same to influence upcoming French and German elections. Mr Trump needs to do better than just shrug his shoulders. Falling for the same illusions Mr Obama held about Mr Putin for too long would be a bad start to the Trump term in the White House.




http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opi...s/news-story/a59a367df43f6fcb49ec201b741367d7

Link that works? And what part of this did you write?

Drumpf and Pootiing colluded. Money changed hands. That's why trumpery is protecting Pooting.

End of story.

 

[jknowgood]

Once Barry produces definitive evidence the Russians did anything I will agree about punishing the Russians. He has not done so, and Julian Assange just called him out by declaring it wasn't the Russians.

Most of the world is waiting for President 'Lie of the Year' to make his case.

Julian Assange is nothing, you are nothing, the President is something, and the intel agencies all agree that it happened. End of story.

Yes, and president Trump is something. So quit your mental breakdown, but continue to do it slowly. It is very amusing!

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Its now 18 intel agencies in the US that have stated Pooting hacked our election. Not the president. The intel agencies.

Fascinating to me that even though we have seen a lifetime of lies from drumpf, the RWNJ traitors are all very willing to be his bobble heads.

No matter how bizarre his lies or how obvious they are, the RWNJ traitors just nod up and down.

 

[easyt65]

Your post is off OP and makes no sense.

So NO EVIDENCE...got it. Thanks.

And you continue to slice the whole post. "Your post is off OP and makes no sense. However, it is obvious that you agree with then the material left off the sliced post, "Julian Assange is nothing, you [easyt] are nothing, the President is something, and the intel agencies all agree that it happened." Your "So NO EVIDENCE" certainly defines your poor attempts.

OK, no reply by you. Got it.

Assange just called Barry a liar...Barry still has shown no proof. You CAN'T show any proof.

'END OF STORY'

 

[easyt65]

Its now 18 intel agencies in the US that have stated Pooting hacked our election. Not the president. The intel agencies.

Fascinating to me that even though we have seen a lifetime of lies from drumpf, the RWNJ traitors are all very willing to be his bobble heads.

No matter how bizarre his lies or how obvious they are, the RWNJ traitors just nod up and down.

It's really simple - provide the evidence!

Those agencies haven't.
Barry hasn't.
No one on this board has.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Your post is off OP and makes no sense.

So NO EVIDENCE...got it. Thanks.

And you continue to slice the whole post. "Your post is off OP and makes no sense. However, it is obvious that you agree with then the material left off the sliced post, "Julian Assange is nothing, you [easyt] are nothing, the President is something, and the intel agencies all agree that it happened." Your "So NO EVIDENCE" certainly defines your poor attempts.

OK, no reply by you. Got it.

Assange just called Barry a liar...Barry still has shown no proof. You CAN'T show any proof.

'END OF STORY'

Also very disturbing is how you RWNJ traitors are so ready to throw out the findings of 18 US intel agencies in favor of drumpf the liar and a sleazy spy.

But you're always fighting over whose going to hump Pooting's leg while you shit on your own country.

BARF.

 

[easyt65]

Also very disturbing is how you RWNJ traitors are so ready to throw out the findings of 18 US intel agencies in favor of drumpf the liar and a sleazy spy.

But you're always fighting over whose going to hump Pooting's leg while you shit on your own country.

WHAT FINDINGS?

Again, it's simple: Produce the definitive evidence.

Those agencies have not.
- When given the opportunity to do so they violated a Subpoena and were a 'no-show'

Obama has not

No one on this board has.

Put up or shut up. If you can't - didn't happen.

 

[jknowgood]

Your post is off OP and makes no sense.

So NO EVIDENCE...got it. Thanks.

And you continue to slice the whole post. "Your post is off OP and makes no sense. However, it is obvious that you agree with then the material left off the sliced post, "Julian Assange is nothing, you [easyt] are nothing, the President is something, and the intel agencies all agree that it happened." Your "So NO EVIDENCE" certainly defines your poor attempts.

OK, no reply by you. Got it.

Assange just called Barry a liar...Barry still has shown no proof. You CAN'T show any proof.

'END OF STORY'

Also very disturbing is how you RWNJ traitors are so ready to throw out the findings of 18 US intel agencies in favor of drumpf the liar and a sleazy spy.

But you're always fighting over whose going to hump Pooting's leg while you shit on your own country.

BARF.

No, Obama was rewarded lie of the year and you still polish his knob.

 

[Norman]

Liberals wanting a war against Russia, because they are butthurt, edition #

Just because your worldview is dying does not mean we should end the whole world as we know it.