Trump: Obama is the founder of ISIS; Hillary is the co-founder

[HUGGY]

Pull my head out of my ass? Try reading the posts and the links provided. There is so much BS floating around including yours that I decided to provide some accurate 411 on this subject.

Take your whining up with the authors.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA None of your links are worth a shit and I wouldn't waste my time to even click on one because I know the real story behind ISIS/al qaeda/ISIL going all the way back to 1979.....spare me your bullshit. Russia did more damage to "ISIS" in two weeks than USA.INC did for seven years and there is a reason for that. Stick your head in the sand and leave your ass exposed because that is what you do best. I have done the research and I have impeccable resources that were/are "high ups" in the intelligence field. They use these mercenaries and their grunt recruits to fight proxy battles for USA.INC. Spare me your mumbo jumbo "analytical" bullshit propaganda because I know more than you.

Ya...Russia has a stellar track record in the Mid East. Bin Ladin ran their dumb asses out of Afghanistan. Also they had several years head start with the intel with their relationship with the Syrian government, Oh but YOU have all the sense and knowledge and I don't care.

I provided the sources of the information I posted and you have only asserted that you "know more than I do".

Typical responses of a Trump supporter needing a daddy figure to tell him "because I said so".

I do not participate in your banana republic elections. I simply read and research and I know more than you...infinitely more.

So you keep trying to convince everyone.

Stating a verifiable fact is not a ploy to convince anyone of anything. Once you reach the place I am at, validation isn't warranted, wanted nor needed.

I do not believe you. The resource I provided has not been challenged factually by anyone save you who chose to not read the modest number of words outlining the birth of ISIS. All you offer is that "I am wrong" without disputing any facts. All you offer is how much smarter and have some vast knowledge more so than anyone. You are a fraud. Have a nice day.

 

[edthecynic]

Iraq was contained when Bush left office

Iraq was NEVER contained. That was just another Bush lie like the number of "trained" Iraqi military and police.

 

[Lakhota]

Iraq was contained when Bush left office

Iraq was NEVER contained. That was just another Bush lie like the number of "trained" Iraqi military and police.

I agree! That so-called surge shit that was supposedly so successful was nothing more than the various factions being paid large sums of money to stop fighting. It was all about money - not actual success on the battlefield.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Iraq was contained when Bush left office

Iraq was NEVER contained. That was just another Bush lie like the number of "trained" Iraqi military and police.

So if it was never contained, why did obama declare the war over? And pulled out troops?

Remember we went into Afghanistan before Iraq and are still there.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Iraq was contained when Bush left office

Iraq was NEVER contained. That was just another Bush lie like the number of "trained" Iraqi military and police.

So if it was never contained, why did obama declare the war over? And pulled out troops?

Remember we went into Afghanistan before Iraq and are still there.

What was the point in staying? To get more troops killed? Spend billions more dollars to be the target for fanatical Islamic fighters?

 

[Clementine]

Trump is right.

"WASHINGTON, DC — Hillary Clinton received a classified intelligence report stating that the Obama administration was actively supporting Al Qaeda in Iraq, the terrorist group that became the Islamic State.

The memo made clear that Al Qaeda in Iraq was speaking through Muhammad Al Adnani, who is now the senior spokesman for the Islamic State, also known as ISIS. Western and Gulf states were supporting the terrorist group to try to overthrow Syrian dictator Bashar al Assad, who was being propped up by the Russians, Iranians, and Chinese.

In August 2012, a "SECRET" classified memo was sent to various top Obama administration officials and agencies, including to the State Department and to Clinton’s office personally.

"The document is an IAR, an intelligence information report," said Christopher J. Farrell, who serves on the board of directors of Judicial Watch, which obtained the document. "It is produced by somebody within the Defense intelligence agency (DIA). It is reporting from the field by an intelligence agent" who could be a U.S. government agent, a defense attaché, or a source.

"It’s a report from the field back to headquarters with some intelligence that somebody is willing to bet their career on," Farrell said.

Farrell confirmed that the report was sent to Clinton’s office, based on the recipient marking "RUEHC/SECSTATE WASHINGTON DC."

The report identifies Al Qaeda in Iraq (AQI) as being one of the principal elements of the Syrian opposition, which the West was choosing to "support."

THE GENERAL SITUATION:

A. INTERNALLY, EVENTS ARE TAKING A CLEAR SECTARIAN DIRECTION.

B. THE SALAFIST, THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD, AND AQI ARE THE MAJOR FORCES DRIVING THE INSURGENCY IN SYRIA.

C. THE WEST, GULF COUNTRIES, AND TURKEY SUPPORT THE OPPOSITION; WHILE RUSSIA, CHINA, AND IRAN SUPPORT THE REGIME.

The intelligence report contains an extensive backgrounder on AQI and its methods and capabilities, noting that AQI was speaking through the spokesman of the Islamic State of Iraq Muhammad Al Adnani.

Al Adnani is now the chief spokesman for the current version of the Islamic State, also known as ISIS.

According to the report:

AL QAEDA – IRAQ (AQI):

A. AQI IS FAMILIAR WITH SYRIA. AQI TRAINED IN SYRIA AND THEN INFILTRATED INTO IRAQ.

B. AQI SUPPORTED THE SYRIAN OPPOSITION FROM THE BEGINNING, BOTH IDEOLOGICALLY AND THROUGH THE MEDIA. AQI DECLARED ITS OPPOSITION OF ASSAD’S GOVERNMENT BECAUSE IT CONSIDERED IT A SECTARIAN REGIME TARGETING SUNNIS.

C. AQI CONDUCTED A NUMBER OF OPERATIONS IN SEVERAL SYRIAN CITIES UNDER THE NAME OF JAISH AL NUSRA (VICTORIOUS ARMY), ONE OF ITS AFFILIATES.

D. AQI, THROUGH THE SPOKESMAN OF THE ISLAMIC STATE OF IRAQ (ISI) ABU MUHAMMAD AL ADNANI, DECLARED THE SYRIAN REGIME AS THE SPEARHEAD OF WHAT HE IS NAMING JIBHA AL RUWAFDH (FOREFRONT OF THE SHIITES) BECAUSE OF ITS (THE SYRIAN REGIME) DECLARATION OF WAR ON THE SUNNIS. ADDITIONALLY, HE IS CALLING ON THE SUNNIS IN IRAQ, ESPECIALLY THE TRIBES IN THE BORDER REGIONS (BETWEEN IRAQ AND SYRIA), TO WAGE WAR AGAINST THE SYRIAN REGIME, REGARDING SYRIA AS AN INFIDEL REGIME FOR ITS SUPPORT TO THE INFIDEL PARTY HEZBOLLAH, AND OTHER REGIMES HE CONSIDERS DISSENTERS LIKE IRAN AND IRAQ.

E. AQI CONSIDERS THE SUNNI ISSUE IN IRAQ TO BE FATEFULLY CONNECTED TO THE SUNNI ARABS AND MUSLIMS.

The intelligence report also predicts the rise of a broad "Islamic State" forming from segments of Al Adnani’s group:

THIS CREATES THE IDEAL ATMOSPHERE FOR AQI TO RETURN TO ITS OLD POCKETS IN MOSUL AND RAMADI, AND WILL PROVIDE A RENEWED MOMENTUM UNDER THE PRESUMPTION OF UNIFYING THE JIHAD AMONG SUNNI IRAQ AND SYRIA, AND THE REST OF THE SUNNIS IN THE ARAB WORLD AGAINST WHAT IT CONSIDERS ONE ENEMY, THE DISSENTERS. ISI COULD ALSO DECLARE AN ISLAMIC STATE THROUGH ITS UNION WITH OTHER TERRORIST ORGANIZATIONS IN IRAQ AND SYRIA, WHICH WILL CREATE GRAVE DANGER IN REGARDS TO UNIFYING IRAQ AND THE PROTECTION OF ITS TERRITORY.

"AQI HAD MAJOR POCKETS AND BASES ON BOTH SIDES OF THE BORDER TO FACILITATE THE FLOW OF MATERIEL AND RECRUITS," the report states.

"THERE WAS A REGRESSION OF AQI IN THE WESTERN PROVINCES OF IRAQ DURING THE YEARS OF 2009 AND 2010; HOWEVER, AFTER THE RISE OF THE INSURGENCY IN SYRIA, THE RELIGIOUS AND TRIBAL POWERS IN THE REGIONS BEGAN TO SYMPATHIZE WITH THE SECTARIAN UPRISING. THIS (SYMPATHY) APPEARED IN FRIDAY PRAYER SERMONS, WHICH CALLED FOR VOLUNTEERS TO SUPPORT THE SUNNI’S IN SYRIA," the report continues.

"IN PREVIOUS YEARS A MAJORITY OF AQI FIGHTERS ENTERED IRAQ PRIMARILY VIA THE SYRIAN BORDER."

Al Adnani was named by the State Department as a "Specially Designated Global Terrorist" in 2014.

The Clinton campaign did not immediately return a request for comment on this report."



http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/08/11/flashback-obama-admin-supported-group-became-isis/

 

[Flopper]

Trump should surround himself with smarter advisers and foreign policy experts - because he's an idiot.

Experts Reject Trump's Claim That Obama Founded ISIS

Of course they do because it's a ridiculous statement. We all know Trump meant that the actions of Obama made possible the founding and growth of ISIS, which is certainly debatable.

The fact is claiming Obama founded ISIS is a better sound byte and that's what counts when you're behind 10 points and your support within your party is drying up faster than crazy glue.

ISIS is a brainchild of the CIA with help from the Mossad, Saudi Intel, MI5 and MI6. There is also an inside joke about the name of these mercenaries that they put right in your face knowing you are not smart enough to figure it out.

I rather doubt that

 

[Dale Smith]

Trump should surround himself with smarter advisers and foreign policy experts - because he's an idiot.

Experts Reject Trump's Claim That Obama Founded ISIS

Of course they do because it's a ridiculous statement. We all know Trump meant that the actions of Obama made possible the founding and growth of ISIS, which is certainly debatable.

The fact is claiming Obama founded ISIS is a better sound byte and that's what counts when you're behind 10 points and your support within your party is drying up faster than crazy glue.

ISIS is a brainchild of the CIA with help from the Mossad, Saudi Intel, MI5 and MI6. There is also an inside joke about the name of these mercenaries that they put right in your face knowing you are not smart enough to figure it out.

I rather doubt that

Doubt in one hand and shit in the other and see which one fills up first. Al qaeda/mujaheddin was always the work of covert intelligence agencies like the ones I mentioned above.Your tiny, narrow view of the world and how it runs and who runs it is 180 degrees different than what you believe it to be. There are MANY times I wish that I was still "asleep" but you can't unlearn what is right in front of your face.

 

[Flopper]

Trump is right.

"WASHINGTON, DC — Hillary Clinton received a classified intelligence report stating that the Obama administration was actively supporting Al Qaeda in Iraq, the terrorist group that became the Islamic State.

The memo made clear that Al Qaeda in Iraq was speaking through Muhammad Al Adnani, who is now the senior spokesman for the Islamic State, also known as ISIS. Western and Gulf states were supporting the terrorist group to try to overthrow Syrian dictator Bashar al Assad, who was being propped up by the Russians, Iranians, and Chinese.

In August 2012, a "SECRET" classified memo was sent to various top Obama administration officials and agencies, including to the State Department and to Clinton’s office personally.

"The document is an IAR, an intelligence information report," said Christopher J. Farrell, who serves on the board of directors of Judicial Watch, which obtained the document. "It is produced by somebody within the Defense intelligence agency (DIA). It is reporting from the field by an intelligence agent" who could be a U.S. government agent, a defense attaché, or a source.

"It’s a report from the field back to headquarters with some intelligence that somebody is willing to bet their career on," Farrell said.

Farrell confirmed that the report was sent to Clinton’s office, based on the recipient marking "RUEHC/SECSTATE WASHINGTON DC."

The report identifies Al Qaeda in Iraq (AQI) as being one of the principal elements of the Syrian opposition, which the West was choosing to "support."

THE GENERAL SITUATION:

A. INTERNALLY, EVENTS ARE TAKING A CLEAR SECTARIAN DIRECTION.

B. THE SALAFIST, THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD, AND AQI ARE THE MAJOR FORCES DRIVING THE INSURGENCY IN SYRIA.

C. THE WEST, GULF COUNTRIES, AND TURKEY SUPPORT THE OPPOSITION; WHILE RUSSIA, CHINA, AND IRAN SUPPORT THE REGIME.

The intelligence report contains an extensive backgrounder on AQI and its methods and capabilities, noting that AQI was speaking through the spokesman of the Islamic State of Iraq Muhammad Al Adnani.

Al Adnani is now the chief spokesman for the current version of the Islamic State, also known as ISIS.

According to the report:

AL QAEDA – IRAQ (AQI):

A. AQI IS FAMILIAR WITH SYRIA. AQI TRAINED IN SYRIA AND THEN INFILTRATED INTO IRAQ.

B. AQI SUPPORTED THE SYRIAN OPPOSITION FROM THE BEGINNING, BOTH IDEOLOGICALLY AND THROUGH THE MEDIA. AQI DECLARED ITS OPPOSITION OF ASSAD’S GOVERNMENT BECAUSE IT CONSIDERED IT A SECTARIAN REGIME TARGETING SUNNIS.

C. AQI CONDUCTED A NUMBER OF OPERATIONS IN SEVERAL SYRIAN CITIES UNDER THE NAME OF JAISH AL NUSRA (VICTORIOUS ARMY), ONE OF ITS AFFILIATES.

D. AQI, THROUGH THE SPOKESMAN OF THE ISLAMIC STATE OF IRAQ (ISI) ABU MUHAMMAD AL ADNANI, DECLARED THE SYRIAN REGIME AS THE SPEARHEAD OF WHAT HE IS NAMING JIBHA AL RUWAFDH (FOREFRONT OF THE SHIITES) BECAUSE OF ITS (THE SYRIAN REGIME) DECLARATION OF WAR ON THE SUNNIS. ADDITIONALLY, HE IS CALLING ON THE SUNNIS IN IRAQ, ESPECIALLY THE TRIBES IN THE BORDER REGIONS (BETWEEN IRAQ AND SYRIA), TO WAGE WAR AGAINST THE SYRIAN REGIME, REGARDING SYRIA AS AN INFIDEL REGIME FOR ITS SUPPORT TO THE INFIDEL PARTY HEZBOLLAH, AND OTHER REGIMES HE CONSIDERS DISSENTERS LIKE IRAN AND IRAQ.

E. AQI CONSIDERS THE SUNNI ISSUE IN IRAQ TO BE FATEFULLY CONNECTED TO THE SUNNI ARABS AND MUSLIMS.

The intelligence report also predicts the rise of a broad "Islamic State" forming from segments of Al Adnani’s group:

THIS CREATES THE IDEAL ATMOSPHERE FOR AQI TO RETURN TO ITS OLD POCKETS IN MOSUL AND RAMADI, AND WILL PROVIDE A RENEWED MOMENTUM UNDER THE PRESUMPTION OF UNIFYING THE JIHAD AMONG SUNNI IRAQ AND SYRIA, AND THE REST OF THE SUNNIS IN THE ARAB WORLD AGAINST WHAT IT CONSIDERS ONE ENEMY, THE DISSENTERS. ISI COULD ALSO DECLARE AN ISLAMIC STATE THROUGH ITS UNION WITH OTHER TERRORIST ORGANIZATIONS IN IRAQ AND SYRIA, WHICH WILL CREATE GRAVE DANGER IN REGARDS TO UNIFYING IRAQ AND THE PROTECTION OF ITS TERRITORY.

"AQI HAD MAJOR POCKETS AND BASES ON BOTH SIDES OF THE BORDER TO FACILITATE THE FLOW OF MATERIEL AND RECRUITS," the report states.

"THERE WAS A REGRESSION OF AQI IN THE WESTERN PROVINCES OF IRAQ DURING THE YEARS OF 2009 AND 2010; HOWEVER, AFTER THE RISE OF THE INSURGENCY IN SYRIA, THE RELIGIOUS AND TRIBAL POWERS IN THE REGIONS BEGAN TO SYMPATHIZE WITH THE SECTARIAN UPRISING. THIS (SYMPATHY) APPEARED IN FRIDAY PRAYER SERMONS, WHICH CALLED FOR VOLUNTEERS TO SUPPORT THE SUNNI’S IN SYRIA," the report continues.

"IN PREVIOUS YEARS A MAJORITY OF AQI FIGHTERS ENTERED IRAQ PRIMARILY VIA THE SYRIAN BORDER."

Al Adnani was named by the State Department as a "Specially Designated Global Terrorist" in 2014.

The Clinton campaign did not immediately return a request for comment on this report."



http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/08/11/flashback-obama-admin-supported-group-became-isis/

It does not support your accusation that the Obama administration was actively supporting Al Qaeda in Iran.

 

[Flopper]

Trump has thrown his supporters under the bus and is now claiming his "Obama and Clinton founded ISIS" comment was sarcasm. He was just joking. Makes all those defending him here at USMB and carry water for him look especially stupid.

Yes it was sarcasm, sort of but then he says he meant just what he said and then his minions claim otherwise. Just like most of Trump's outrageous statements over last few month.

 

[Camp]

Trump has thrown his supporters under the bus and is now claiming his "Obama and Clinton founded ISIS" comment was sarcasm. He was just joking. Makes all those defending him here at USMB and carry water for him look especially stupid.

Yes it was sarcasm, sort of but then he says he meant just what he said and then his minions claim otherwise. Just like most of Trump's outrageous statements over last few month.

I was thinking of all the members here that were insisting Trump was right and arguing in multiple threads that Obama and Clinton were founders for ISIS. All day and night they argued that ridiculous notion and claim by Trump. Funny how some still argue the validity of his comment even after he admitted he was being sarcastic.

 

[Dale Smith]

Trump has thrown his supporters under the bus and is now claiming his "Obama and Clinton founded ISIS" comment was sarcasm. He was just joking. Makes all those defending him here at USMB and carry water for him look especially stupid.

Yes it was sarcasm, sort of but then he says he meant just what he said and then his minions claim otherwise. Just like most of Trump's outrageous statements over last few month.

I have known that CIA was behind al qaeda for over four years. I don't need some politician to "hip" me as to what is what and I don't believe a fucking thing our corporate lamestream media has to say. They are just mouth pieces for the foreign owned USA.INC.

 

[Flopper]

Trump has thrown his supporters under the bus and is now claiming his "Obama and Clinton founded ISIS" comment was sarcasm. He was just joking. Makes all those defending him here at USMB and carry water for him look especially stupid.

Yes it was sarcasm, sort of but then he says he meant just what he said and then his minions claim otherwise. Just like most of Trump's outrageous statements over last few month.

I have known that CIA was behind al qaeda for over four years. I don't need some politician to "hip" me as to what is what and I don't believe a fucking thing our corporate lamestream media has to say. They are just mouth pieces for the foreign owned USA.INC.

And you know that because the little green men with ten hats told you?

 

[skye]

wakey wakey you sheeple!

 

[Dale Smith]

Trump has thrown his supporters under the bus and is now claiming his "Obama and Clinton founded ISIS" comment was sarcasm. He was just joking. Makes all those defending him here at USMB and carry water for him look especially stupid.

Yes it was sarcasm, sort of but then he says he meant just what he said and then his minions claim otherwise. Just like most of Trump's outrageous statements over last few month.

I have known that CIA was behind al qaeda for over four years. I don't need some politician to "hip" me as to what is what and I don't believe a fucking thing our corporate lamestream media has to say. They are just mouth pieces for the foreign owned USA.INC.

And you know that because the little green men with ten hats told you?

No, I know this from reading, researching and the testimony of whistle blowers like Scott Bennett, Dr Steve Piecezenik, Robert David Steele, etc,etc....folks like those that were in the intelligence game. Only a very stupid fuck would believe what you are told by the tel-lie-vision.

 

[Juan de Fuca]

U.S airstrike kills ISIS leader giving Obama the opportunity to give Donald Trump a missile sized middle finger.

"Donald Trump is definitely fond of trying to say that President Obama isn’t doing enough to stop ISIS. In fact, he recently called Obama, as well as Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton the “Founder of ISIS.” Well, this fool is now having to eat his words, as the president’s airstrikes just took out another leader of the radical terrorist group.

BREAKING: Islamic State leader in Afghanistan and Pakistan killed by U.S. drone – Afghan ambassador to Pakistan

— Reuters Top News (@Reuters) August 12, 2016





Well, it seems that Trump realizes that, yet again, he has stepped over the line regarding president Obama and ISIS. He is now, after doubling down over the last few days, walking back his crazy comments regarding President Obama founding ISIS. Trump is now saying,via Twitter:

Ratings challenged @CNN reports so seriously that I call President Obama (and Clinton) ‘the founder’ of ISIS, & MVP. THEY DON’T GET SARCASM?

The thing is, though, Trump had multiple opportunities, including one with conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt who supports his bid for presidency, to back away from such an outrageous statement. Trump, however, doubled down. Even now, while he’s stuck in the fire, he’s still blaming CNN for the story and the controversy that he himself started. Trump will never admit when he is wrong. He just starts a bigger fire to put out the last one. That is a disastrous way to run any kind of political campaign, much less one for the presidency.

The thing is, Trump may or may not truly have believed that President Obama and Hillary Clinton helped start ISIS. Who knows, really? But what we DO know is this:

The Obama administration killed Osama Bin Laden when the Bush administration couldn’t, and Obama is steadily killing ISIS members and leaders while Trump repeatedly insinuates that he’s some kind of terrorist sympathizer.

Donald Trump, you show how outrageously ill-informed you are on world affairs several times a day. Just shut the hell up and let the adults handle it.

 

[Dale Smith]

U.S airstrike kills ISIS leader giving Obama the opportunity to give Donald Trump a missile sized middle finger.

"Donald Trump is definitely fond of trying to say that President Obama isn’t doing enough to stop ISIS. In fact, he recently called Obama, as well as Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton the “Founder of ISIS.” Well, this fool is now having to eat his words, as the president’s airstrikes just took out another leader of the radical terrorist group.

BREAKING: Islamic State leader in Afghanistan and Pakistan killed by U.S. drone – Afghan ambassador to Pakistan

— Reuters Top News (@Reuters) August 12, 2016





Well, it seems that Trump realizes that, yet again, he has stepped over the line regarding president Obama and ISIS. He is now, after doubling down over the last few days, walking back his crazy comments regarding President Obama founding ISIS. Trump is now saying,via Twitter:

Ratings challenged @CNN reports so seriously that I call President Obama (and Clinton) ‘the founder’ of ISIS, & MVP. THEY DON’T GET SARCASM?

The thing is, though, Trump had multiple opportunities, including one with conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt who supports his bid for presidency, to back away from such an outrageous statement. Trump, however, doubled down. Even now, while he’s stuck in the fire, he’s still blaming CNN for the story and the controversy that he himself started. Trump will never admit when he is wrong. He just starts a bigger fire to put out the last one. That is a disastrous way to run any kind of political campaign, much less one for the presidency.

The thing is, Trump may or may not truly have believed that President Obama and Hillary Clinton helped start ISIS. Who knows, really? But what we DO know is this:

The Obama administration killed Osama Bin Laden when the Bush administration couldn’t, and Obama is steadily killing ISIS members and leaders while Trump repeatedly insinuates that he’s some kind of terrorist sympathizer.

Donald Trump, you show how outrageously ill-informed you are on world affairs several times a day. Just shut the hell up and let the adults handle it.

Osama bin Laden aka Tim Osman died on December 13th, 2001 of Marfan's syndrome and was visited by numerous intelligence agencies including the CIA in Dubai at a military hospital July, 2001. Osman was a CIA asset until the day he died...fact.

 

[Flopper]

Trump has thrown his supporters under the bus and is now claiming his "Obama and Clinton founded ISIS" comment was sarcasm. He was just joking. Makes all those defending him here at USMB and carry water for him look especially stupid.

Yes it was sarcasm, sort of but then he says he meant just what he said and then his minions claim otherwise. Just like most of Trump's outrageous statements over last few month.

I have known that CIA was behind al qaeda for over four years. I don't need some politician to "hip" me as to what is what and I don't believe a fucking thing our corporate lamestream media has to say. They are just mouth pieces for the foreign owned USA.INC.

And you know that because the little green men with ten hats told you?

No, I know this from reading, researching and the testimony of whistle blowers like Scott Bennett, Dr Steve Piecezenik, Robert David Steele, etc,etc....folks like those that were in the intelligence game. Only a very stupid fuck would believe what you are told by the tel-lie-vision.

Don't have the time for conspiracy theories

 

[edthecynic]

Iraq was contained when Bush left office

Iraq was NEVER contained. That was just another Bush lie like the number of "trained" Iraqi military and police.

So if it was never contained, why did obama declare the war over? And pulled out troops?

Remember we went into Afghanistan before Iraq and are still there.

Bush declared the war over and signed the "Agreement Between the United States of America and the Republic of Iraq On the Withdrawal of United States Forces from Iraq and the Organization of Their Activities during Their Temporary Presence in Iraq."

 

[Dale Smith]

Trump has thrown his supporters under the bus and is now claiming his "Obama and Clinton founded ISIS" comment was sarcasm. He was just joking. Makes all those defending him here at USMB and carry water for him look especially stupid.

Yes it was sarcasm, sort of but then he says he meant just what he said and then his minions claim otherwise. Just like most of Trump's outrageous statements over last few month.

I have known that CIA was behind al qaeda for over four years. I don't need some politician to "hip" me as to what is what and I don't believe a fucking thing our corporate lamestream media has to say. They are just mouth pieces for the foreign owned USA.INC.

And you know that because the little green men with ten hats told you?

No, I know this from reading, researching and the testimony of whistle blowers like Scott Bennett, Dr Steve Piecezenik, Robert David Steele, etc,etc....folks like those that were in the intelligence game. Only a very stupid fuck would believe what you are told by the tel-lie-vision.

Don't have the time for conspiracy theories

And I don't have time for "gubermint" bullshit and lies....seems that we are at an impasse...no?