Trump pulling out of Paris Climate Accord

[Avatar4321]

Listening to his speech now .. what bullshit.

If Trump can't build a physical wall around American he will build a political wall and thus cede power to leaders in China, Russia, and Europe. When a world power withdraws it creates a power vacuum that is filled by adversaries. America's withdrawal from the Paris Accord means the US will no longer have a voice in international decisions on climate control.

Let them have the voice on junk science. We will lead in economics and real science

 

[Slade3200]

Communism didn't kill anybody... a narcesistic, charismatic nationalist douchebag did

Communism didn't kill anybody...
Communism didn't kill anybody...
Communism didn't kill anybody...

Let that sink in.

Great argument man... I totally see your point

Since "communism didn't kill anybody" we should go for it, right?

No it's a horrible form of governing... is that really what you thought my point was?

 

[Ame®icano]

What temperature is the world supposed to be at?

The temperature suppose to be whatever leftists feel like should be.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Soggy clearly does not understand.

Sure I do. We can argue the merits of being in the agreement or not, but those that argue we're bound by it are just plain wrong. It is an executive agreement that Trump just nullified with an EO.

No, you are wrong. We are in it until Nov 2020. Cities and states in America can ignore Trump now and do as they wish with the Agreement. He has no control over those entities.

So Jake go to the Rose garden and stomp your feet and scream we are in it till 2020.


Will it make you feel good or get arrested?


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[JakeStarkey]

Doc1, the Agreement stands whether Trump "withdraws" or whatever. Your personal attacks are helpless and hopeless, merely showing your weakness. States and cities in America will now ignore his comments.

 

[Avatar4321]

"Consensus" is not science. It's bullshit politics. The minute you start blabbering about "consensus" you unmask yourself as a con artist.

It's simply means many many more people agree with that opinion than do yours

And many people allowed the Germans to murder 6 million Jews.........the same types pushing this stupidity....and even more still think communism, which is responsible for the deaths of 100 million innocent men, women and children, just hasn't been given the right chance.......

So please.....the left wing nutters in Europe and around the world have nothing to teach us....

Communism didn't kill anybody... a narcesistic, charismatic nationalist douchebag did

It's just a coincidence that every Communist leader murders his own citizens, right?

You make my point, thank you.

It's the dictator that murders, not the ideology. I don't like communism any more than you do but it depends on who is steering the ship. If the pope was running a communistic country I don't think there would be mass murder.

The ideology is what creates dictators. There is no such thing as a communist who isn't a totalitarian.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Doc1, the Agreement stands whether Trump "withdraws" or whatever. Your personal attacks are helpless and hopeless, merely showing your weakness. States and cities in America will now ignore his comments.

He is the president.. You are no one

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[Wyatt earp]

Doc1, the Agreement stands whether Trump "withdraws" or whatever. Your personal attacks are helpless and hopeless, merely showing your weakness. States and cities in America will now ignore his comments.

So Jake are these blue city's going to send money now to China?


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Your hilarious in your temper tantrum .

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[Soggy in NOLA]

Soggy clearly does not understand.

Sure I do. We can argue the merits of being in the agreement or not, but those that argue we're bound by it are just plain wrong. It is an executive agreement that Trump just nullified with an EO.

No, you are wrong. We are in it until Nov 2020. Cities and states in America can ignore Trump now and do as they wish with the Agreement. He has no control over those entities.

We are not, not any more. If cities and states want to voluntarily abide by it, I guess they are free to do so... on their own. CA can't even pay its bills... what a joke.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

To those of you who have no regard for international law.Trump withdraws, he ignores the ramifications, and does his thing.The next reasonable administration will admit fault and pay restitution and fees. What could go wrong?Morons.

No they won't moron..because the Senate will still be run by the Republicans..

It's an Agreement, which does not require Senate approval. Careful when you call names.

You're an employer and hire a worker. You two have an agreement. But the new employee gets a better job before he starts to work for you. Unless there is a contract involved, there is nothing you can do to him. He broke the agreement because he believed that a better opportunity awaited him.


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[Soggy in NOLA]

Doc1, the Agreement stands whether Trump "withdraws" or whatever. Your personal attacks are helpless and hopeless, merely showing your weakness. States and cities in America will now ignore his comments.

So Jake are these blue city's going to send money now to China?


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Your hilarious in your temper tantrum .

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He's an utter whackjob.

 

[Camp]

And here we have the typical excuse for a proven and indisputable trump lie. The words and the actual statement is alleged to be an innocent misstatement, but once the statement is analyzed, reinterpreted and adjusted, it is not a real lie because there are reasons and excuse for the lie.

Also, Obama told some lies when he was President, so trump can tell as many lies as he wants.

also - you are now a liar.

you say "proven and indisputable trump lie"

if that were the case then why are you also now saying

"it's not a real live cause there are reasons for it..."

if there are reasons for it that can cause the cloud of pigpen confusion you choose to live under, then it can't be "indisputable" now can it? you may want to look up the words you choose to use cause they damn sure don't mean anything in the context of which you choose to use them.

You are distorting my statement by editing, but the actual statement is right there in the quote and easy to see. The quote points out excuses used to justify trump lies by trump and his supporters.

This is not complicated. Trump said China would open hundreds of coal-fired plants and the USA would not be allowed to open new plants. The facts, China is canceling the opening of over 100 coal-fired plants and the USA is free to open new plants if they want to.
The thrust of your excuse is that there is no such thing as "clean coal" and the USA could not reach pollution standards with new coal-fired plants because there are no other ways to meet those standards according to you. Hence, trump is lying as a simple run around to be able to create more pollution and dirtier air quality standards. Americans will be subjected to dangerously polluted air and it is taking a trump lie to get to that point.

The purpose of trump's lying about coal and coal-fired plants are so that the coal industry can burn more coal, pollute more air and make more profits at the expense of the health of Americans. They will be breathing more polluted air.

you mean like you are distorting trumps so you can call him a liar under YOUR set of term ONLY in which HE would have meant?

your statement:
This is not complicated. Trump said China would open hundreds of coal-fired plants and the USA would not be allowed to open new plants. The facts, China is canceling the opening of over 100 coal-fired plants and the USA is free to open new plants if they want to.

Yes. Both can open plants. However, both are not held to the same goals / standards. If china does it, who cares for 13 years. If we do it, we can't meet goals placed on us.

ergo - we can't do it AND make the goal.

you're the one limiting it to ONLY what you would have it mean JUST SO you can all trump a liar even though you know what he means by his statement.

face it - regardless of what trump says, you'll bitch. you're letting your own fears and extreme hype dictate what trump MUST HAVE MEANT so you can continue your rant.

carry on. but don't say you're not distorting things WAY MORE than you now say I am.

You are just repeating yourself and claiming actual words said by trump have no real meaning or that he is permitted to lie the first time he says something. The words mean what they are interpreted to mean days after the original statement in trumpworld, not when they are first spoken. You want to be allowed to excuse trump lies by insisting he doesn't really mean what he says the first time he says something. You are demanding that when trump gets caught telling a lie he be allowed a "do-over" and change what he said.

 

[Slade3200]

It's simply means many many more people agree with that opinion than do yours

And many people allowed the Germans to murder 6 million Jews.........the same types pushing this stupidity....and even more still think communism, which is responsible for the deaths of 100 million innocent men, women and children, just hasn't been given the right chance.......

So please.....the left wing nutters in Europe and around the world have nothing to teach us....

Communism didn't kill anybody... a narcesistic, charismatic nationalist douchebag did

It's just a coincidence that every Communist leader murders his own citizens, right?

You make my point, thank you.

It's the dictator that murders, not the ideology. I don't like communism any more than you do but it depends on who is steering the ship. If the pope was running a communistic country I don't think there would be mass murder.

The ideology is what creates dictators. There is no such thing as a communist who isn't a totalitarian.

Yes the ideology creates a dictator. A dictator decides to kill their citizens or not. Again, if Gandhi was the German dictator instead of hitler we wouldn't have seen the genocide.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Doc1, the Agreement stands whether Trump "withdraws" or whatever. Your personal attacks are helpless and hopeless, merely showing your weakness. States and cities in America will now ignore his comments.

Yeah, between the other signatories, not the U.S.

 

[jc456]

Man made global warming is a hoax.........they say the climate changes...which it does.......science can't predict the local weather a few days out...and yet you want us to believe they can predict the climate 80 years from now....?

The prediction models are not very accurate but there is concensus from the majority from the left and right that mans actions do have an effect. The severity of that effect is still being studied. I'd compare it to the cigarette/cancer situation

No...not even close........this has been a money play from the beginning........

Yeah I've heard that talking point for years. It's old and stale

It is true and accurate......billions of dollars from the U.S is supposed to be given to India, China, Russia and every other country.......and those countries can still do what ever they want because their is no way to make them do anything the treaty says they have to do....

And to you that makes perfect sense........? And this is why nutters like you can't be allowed to be in charge of anything.....

No it doesn't make sense to me... please explain how many billions of dollars were we supposed to give to China? And for doing what?

well that is exactly the point. do you know why we need to give billions of dollars and China doesn't do anything? you find that acceptable. Again, why you shouldn't be in charge of anything.

 

[jc456]

And many people allowed the Germans to murder 6 million Jews.........the same types pushing this stupidity....and even more still think communism, which is responsible for the deaths of 100 million innocent men, women and children, just hasn't been given the right chance.......

So please.....the left wing nutters in Europe and around the world have nothing to teach us....

Communism didn't kill anybody... a narcesistic, charismatic nationalist douchebag did

It's just a coincidence that every Communist leader murders his own citizens, right?

You make my point, thank you.

It's the dictator that murders, not the ideology. I don't like communism any more than you do but it depends on who is steering the ship. If the pope was running a communistic country I don't think there would be mass murder.

The ideology is what creates dictators. There is no such thing as a communist who isn't a totalitarian.

Yes the ideology creates a dictator. A dictator decides to kill their citizens or not. Again, if Gandhi was the German dictator instead of hitler we wouldn't have seen the genocide.

here is a left in action:

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

The only thing I'm concerned about is opening up all energy sources maximally. Can't we save some for later?

Ambidextrous Tyranny

We've barely scratched the surface of earth's "non-renewable" resources. Back in 1880, John D.Rockefeller was advised that he shouldn't get too involved in oil because it would run out in 10 years.

People are led to believe that we've reached the ultimate in exploration and extraction. That lie is propagated by those who want to use it as an excuse to gouge us on prices. That was the real reason the lawmakers shut off half of American territory from development; conservation was just a scare story. Its real name is "hoarding."

 

[OldLady]

That's better.
I heard we contribute 18%. Global warming is caused by additional (not natural) C02 in the atmosphere. This is causing climate change. No reason why we can't pick up litter and clean up the oceans at the same time we reduce our impact on the environment.

global warming is a theory that is based on models. Pseudo science, if you will.
ALL co2 effects the planet. Where are you getting this crap?
How do you think the climate has been changing for 4 billion years+?

I'm getting the info from the same places that every country in the world got it from when agreeing to the Paris Accords, and the same places that 97% of scientists are getting it from.

Really informative article, DOTR. I hope when the energy transfer in this country actually begins in earnest that we will take advantage of the learning experiences other countries have had. Even in the article, it mentions Sweden as having approached it in a less fractured and expensive way:
The experts propose changing the system to resemble a model long successful in Sweden. If implemented, it would eliminate the more than 4,000 different subsidies currently in place. Instead of bureaucrats setting green energy prices, they would be allowed to develop indepedently on a separate market. The report's authors believe the Swedish model would lead to faster and cheaper implementation of renewable energy, and that the system would also become what it is not today: socially just.

There's nothing fun or painless about switching from fossil fuels to wind and solar (and hydroelectric---why not?). It has burrowed into our infrastructure and economy like an invasive tumor. Or my poppies that keep miraculously reappearing after I have dug to China to remove the roots. I get that. People will lose jobs and then will get re-hired in the clean tech industries. It's disruptive, painful, probably expensive, at least for awhile, just like cancer. But it has to be done. I guess ignoring that for another four years isn't the end of the world, but we've got to face it someday.

The US is not into the damn building process anymore.. It messes with migration habbits of the gold fish swimming up stream



and hydroelectric---why not

Fish ladders. We've got 'em and we use 'em.

you said global warming is caused by human c02 only. That's the craziest thing I ever heard. And that is even ignoring that global warming isn't science.

you said global warming is caused by human c02 only.
Why in hell would I say that? That's not true. Find a decent argument or keep quiet.

You said this
Global warming is caused by additional (not natural) C02 in the atmosphere.

Come up with a better argument 'cuz that one is indicative of a reading deficiency.

 

[jc456]

Man made global warming is a hoax.........they say the climate changes...which it does.......science can't predict the local weather a few days out...and yet you want us to believe they can predict the climate 80 years from now....?

The prediction models are not very accurate but there is concensus from the majority from the left and right that mans actions do have an effect. The severity of that effect is still being studied. I'd compare it to the cigarette/cancer situation

"Consensus" is not science. It's bullshit politics. The minute you start blabbering about "consensus" you unmask yourself as a con artist.

It's simply means many many more people agree with that opinion than do yours

And many people allowed the Germans to murder 6 million Jews.........the same types pushing this stupidity....and even more still think communism, which is responsible for the deaths of 100 million innocent men, women and children, just hasn't been given the right chance.......

So please.....the left wing nutters in Europe and around the world have nothing to teach us....

Communism didn't kill anybody... a narcesistic, charismatic nationalist douchebag did

it is what makes the narcesistic sharismatic nationalist douchebag. It makes many, obummer was getting there.

 

[Avatar4321]

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He embraces socialism. He can't make France great let alone the world.

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