Trump pulling out of Paris Climate Accord

[OldLady]

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News flash: Paris experiences FOG

 

[Slade3200]

The prediction models are not very accurate but there is concensus from the majority from the left and right that mans actions do have an effect. The severity of that effect is still being studied. I'd compare it to the cigarette/cancer situation

No...not even close........this has been a money play from the beginning........

Yeah I've heard that talking point for years. It's old and stale

It is true and accurate......billions of dollars from the U.S is supposed to be given to India, China, Russia and every other country.......and those countries can still do what ever they want because their is no way to make them do anything the treaty says they have to do....

And to you that makes perfect sense........? And this is why nutters like you can't be allowed to be in charge of anything.....

No it doesn't make sense to me... please explain how many billions of dollars were we supposed to give to China? And for doing what?

well that is exactly the point. do you know why we need to give billions of dollars and China doesn't do anything? you find that acceptable. Again, why you shouldn't be in charge of anything.

Do I need to retype the questions that you completely dodged?

 

[iceberg]

And here we have the typical excuse for a proven and indisputable trump lie. The words and the actual statement is alleged to be an innocent misstatement, but once the statement is analyzed, reinterpreted and adjusted, it is not a real lie because there are reasons and excuse for the lie.

Also, Obama told some lies when he was President, so trump can tell as many lies as he wants.

also - you are now a liar.

you say "proven and indisputable trump lie"

if that were the case then why are you also now saying

"it's not a real live cause there are reasons for it..."

if there are reasons for it that can cause the cloud of pigpen confusion you choose to live under, then it can't be "indisputable" now can it? you may want to look up the words you choose to use cause they damn sure don't mean anything in the context of which you choose to use them.

You are distorting my statement by editing, but the actual statement is right there in the quote and easy to see. The quote points out excuses used to justify trump lies by trump and his supporters.

This is not complicated. Trump said China would open hundreds of coal-fired plants and the USA would not be allowed to open new plants. The facts, China is canceling the opening of over 100 coal-fired plants and the USA is free to open new plants if they want to.
The thrust of your excuse is that there is no such thing as "clean coal" and the USA could not reach pollution standards with new coal-fired plants because there are no other ways to meet those standards according to you. Hence, trump is lying as a simple run around to be able to create more pollution and dirtier air quality standards. Americans will be subjected to dangerously polluted air and it is taking a trump lie to get to that point.

The purpose of trump's lying about coal and coal-fired plants are so that the coal industry can burn more coal, pollute more air and make more profits at the expense of the health of Americans. They will be breathing more polluted air.

you mean like you are distorting trumps so you can call him a liar under YOUR set of term ONLY in which HE would have meant?

your statement:
This is not complicated. Trump said China would open hundreds of coal-fired plants and the USA would not be allowed to open new plants. The facts, China is canceling the opening of over 100 coal-fired plants and the USA is free to open new plants if they want to.

Yes. Both can open plants. However, both are not held to the same goals / standards. If china does it, who cares for 13 years. If we do it, we can't meet goals placed on us.

ergo - we can't do it AND make the goal.

you're the one limiting it to ONLY what you would have it mean JUST SO you can all trump a liar even though you know what he means by his statement.

face it - regardless of what trump says, you'll bitch. you're letting your own fears and extreme hype dictate what trump MUST HAVE MEANT so you can continue your rant.

carry on. but don't say you're not distorting things WAY MORE than you now say I am.

You are just repeating yourself and claiming actual words said by trump have no real meaning or that he is permitted to lie the first time he says something. The words mean what they are interpreted to mean days after the original statement in trumpworld, not when they are first spoken. You want to be allowed to excuse trump lies by insisting he doesn't really mean what he says the first time he says something. You are demanding that when trump gets caught telling a lie he be allowed a "do-over" and change what he said.

and you keep forcing what he said into a "lie" so you can be happy and "right" in that he lied.

how do you know what he meant any more than i do? i'm simply offering another way to interpret what he said w/o bias or without trying to prove something. you may want to ask yourself why you are so hellbent on only allowing what he said to be taken in ONE way - which only serves to warm up your hate for him.

so i ask you this - if we agree to the paris accord and that means we must reduce emissions THIS YEAR - will building coal plants allow us to do that or would it harm that effort?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Soggy clearly does not understand.

Sure I do. We can argue the merits of being in the agreement or not, but those that argue we're bound by it are just plain wrong. It is an executive agreement that Trump just nullified with an EO.

No, you are wrong. We are in it until Nov 2020. Cities and states in America can ignore Trump now and do as they wish with the Agreement. He has no control over those entities.

Well then problem solved.


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[Wyatt earp]

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News flash: Paris experiences FOG

News flash according to your ilk that's man made...

 

[TNHarley]

global warming is a theory that is based on models. Pseudo science, if you will.
ALL co2 effects the planet. Where are you getting this crap?
How do you think the climate has been changing for 4 billion years+?

I'm getting the info from the same places that every country in the world got it from when agreeing to the Paris Accords, and the same places that 97% of scientists are getting it from.

The US is not into the damn building process anymore.. It messes with migration habbits of the gold fish swimming up stream



and hydroelectric---why not

Fish ladders. We've got 'em and we use 'em.

you said global warming is caused by human c02 only. That's the craziest thing I ever heard. And that is even ignoring that global warming isn't science.

you said global warming is caused by human c02 only.
Why in hell would I say that? That's not true. Find a decent argument or keep quiet.

You said this
Global warming is caused by additional (not natural) C02 in the atmosphere.

Come up with a better argument 'cuz that one is indicative of a reading deficiency.

Have a good day!

 

[jc456]

global warming is a theory that is based on models. Pseudo science, if you will.
ALL co2 effects the planet. Where are you getting this crap?
How do you think the climate has been changing for 4 billion years+?

I'm getting the info from the same places that every country in the world got it from when agreeing to the Paris Accords, and the same places that 97% of scientists are getting it from.

The US is not into the damn building process anymore.. It messes with migration habbits of the gold fish swimming up stream



and hydroelectric---why not

Fish ladders. We've got 'em and we use 'em.

you said global warming is caused by human c02 only. That's the craziest thing I ever heard. And that is even ignoring that global warming isn't science.

you said global warming is caused by human c02 only.
Why in hell would I say that? That's not true. Find a decent argument or keep quiet.

You said this
Global warming is caused by additional (not natural) C02 in the atmosphere.

Come up with a better argument 'cuz that one is indicative of a reading deficiency.

so have you seen proof that CO2 added to the atmosphere creates more warming? just curious. Me, I have to see the experiment. And to date, none, not one has materialized. Go to the Environmental forum and read up on how there isn't one. So, until you can explain why China doesn't do anything for 13 years and our country must give out billions for that, then you are a just a looney left with no idea of anything.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

"Consensus" is not science. It's bullshit politics. The minute you start blabbering about "consensus" you unmask yourself as a con artist.

It's simply means many many more people agree with that opinion than do yours

And many people allowed the Germans to murder 6 million Jews.........the same types pushing this stupidity....and even more still think communism, which is responsible for the deaths of 100 million innocent men, women and children, just hasn't been given the right chance.......

So please.....the left wing nutters in Europe and around the world have nothing to teach us....

Communism didn't kill anybody... a narcesistic, charismatic nationalist douchebag did

It's just a coincidence that every Communist leader murders his own citizens, right?

You make my point, thank you.

It's the dictator that murders, not the ideology. I don't like communism any more than you do but it depends on who is steering the ship. If the pope was running a communistic country I don't think there would be mass murder.

All Communist leaders murder their citizens, some into the tens of millions, but that's because of the leader and not the ideology that has no value for human life.....hmmmkay

 

[NoNukes]

Interesting monologue, first two minutes of video is all I watched. From Fox News. Explains with direct wording why this accord is a joke, and doesn't even achieve what it's intending to achieve:

Gutfeld: Why the Paris accord is a terrible idea

i hope we leave, it's the obama last grasp of attempting socialism.

195 nations signed the Paris Accord. The US, Nicaragua, and Syria are the only nations who aren't in the accord. It is not an Obama thing.

Trump is showing the world how stupid America has become, and his supporters love it.

That's not stupid. Stupid is thinking signing a piece of paper will change the climate somehow.

Interesting monologue, first two minutes of video is all I watched. From Fox News. Explains with direct wording why this accord is a joke, and doesn't even achieve what it's intending to achieve:

Gutfeld: Why the Paris accord is a terrible idea

i hope we leave, it's the obama last grasp of attempting socialism.

195 nations signed the Paris Accord. The US, Nicaragua, and Syria are the only nations who aren't in the accord. It is not an Obama thing.

Trump is showing the world how stupid America has become, and his supporters love it.

That's not stupid. Stupid is thinking signing a piece of paper will change the climate somehow.

Signing the paper is only the beginning. Stupid people need to be told such things.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

What temperature is the world supposed to be at?

The temperature suppose to be whatever leftists feel like should be.

When you add in the heat from the Earth's core, the numbers are off the charts

 

[Wyatt earp]

No...not even close........this has been a money play from the beginning........

Yeah I've heard that talking point for years. It's old and stale

It is true and accurate......billions of dollars from the U.S is supposed to be given to India, China, Russia and every other country.......and those countries can still do what ever they want because their is no way to make them do anything the treaty says they have to do....

And to you that makes perfect sense........? And this is why nutters like you can't be allowed to be in charge of anything.....

No it doesn't make sense to me... please explain how many billions of dollars were we supposed to give to China? And for doing what?

well that is exactly the point. do you know why we need to give billions of dollars and China doesn't do anything? you find that acceptable. Again, why you shouldn't be in charge of anything.

Do I need to retype the questions that you completely dodged?

He didn't Dodge nothing, you did.


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[OldLady]

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The funniest thing about it the left can't blame it on big oil like ExxonMobil, they are against Trump pulling out


Lmfao




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Nope. The only person to blame is Trump himself. What an ignorant old man he is turning out to be.

Why do you think he's ignorant, so we have to reduce emissions but other countries can increase emissions, how is that better for environment, how does it help Americans. Who's ignorant?


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We already are reducing emissions and the agreement is mostly symbolic since no one is actually held to their "commitment" but the symbolism is real enough. Okay, you didn't want to dish out money. But all this "loss of jobs" stuff is going to happen anyway as we convert away from fossil fuels and it's inevitable. Okay, we're going to ignore it for another four years. But at some point everyone has to open their eyes and go through the conversion. We can do it smartly, leading from the front, or we can do it with our eyes shut, kicking and screaming. I guess that's the Repub's choice at this point.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Doc1, the Agreement stands whether Trump "withdraws" or whatever. Your personal attacks are helpless and hopeless, merely showing your weakness. States and cities in America will now ignore his comments.

He is the president.. You are no one.

I know what the Accord holds nations to when they want to withdraw. The US may withdraw in November 2020. All of you Alt Righties crying? Your tears are sweet.

 

[Slade3200]

It's simply means many many more people agree with that opinion than do yours

And many people allowed the Germans to murder 6 million Jews.........the same types pushing this stupidity....and even more still think communism, which is responsible for the deaths of 100 million innocent men, women and children, just hasn't been given the right chance.......

So please.....the left wing nutters in Europe and around the world have nothing to teach us....

Communism didn't kill anybody... a narcesistic, charismatic nationalist douchebag did

It's just a coincidence that every Communist leader murders his own citizens, right?

You make my point, thank you.

It's the dictator that murders, not the ideology. I don't like communism any more than you do but it depends on who is steering the ship. If the pope was running a communistic country I don't think there would be mass murder.

All Communist leaders murder their citizens, some into the tens of millions, but that's because of the leader and not the ideology that has no value for human life.....hmmmkay

That's all I was trying to say

 

[Wyatt earp]

Interesting monologue, first two minutes of video is all I watched. From Fox News. Explains with direct wording why this accord is a joke, and doesn't even achieve what it's intending to achieve:

Gutfeld: Why the Paris accord is a terrible idea

i hope we leave, it's the obama last grasp of attempting socialism.

195 nations signed the Paris Accord. The US, Nicaragua, and Syria are the only nations who aren't in the accord. It is not an Obama thing.

Trump is showing the world how stupid America has become, and his supporters love it.

That's not stupid. Stupid is thinking signing a piece of paper will change the climate somehow.

Interesting monologue, first two minutes of video is all I watched. From Fox News. Explains with direct wording why this accord is a joke, and doesn't even achieve what it's intending to achieve:

Gutfeld: Why the Paris accord is a terrible idea

i hope we leave, it's the obama last grasp of attempting socialism.

195 nations signed the Paris Accord. The US, Nicaragua, and Syria are the only nations who aren't in the accord. It is not an Obama thing.

Trump is showing the world how stupid America has become, and his supporters love it.

That's not stupid. Stupid is thinking signing a piece of paper will change the climate somehow.

Signing the paper is only the beginning. Stupid people need to be told such things.

And stupid people told you to fuck off..

 

[OldLady]

I'm getting the info from the same places that every country in the world got it from when agreeing to the Paris Accords, and the same places that 97% of scientists are getting it from.
Fish ladders. We've got 'em and we use 'em.

you said global warming is caused by human c02 only. That's the craziest thing I ever heard. And that is even ignoring that global warming isn't science.

you said global warming is caused by human c02 only.
Why in hell would I say that? That's not true. Find a decent argument or keep quiet.

You said this
Global warming is caused by additional (not natural) C02 in the atmosphere.

Come up with a better argument 'cuz that one is indicative of a reading deficiency.

Have a good day!

TN sulks. He's got nothing.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Doc1, the Agreement stands whether Trump "withdraws" or whatever. Your personal attacks are helpless and hopeless, merely showing your weakness. States and cities in America will now ignore his comments.

He is the president.. You are no one.

I know what the Accord holds nations to when they want to withdraw. The US may withdraw in November 2020.

We already did

Sucks to be you

 

[TNHarley]

Doc1, the Agreement stands whether Trump "withdraws" or whatever. Your personal attacks are helpless and hopeless, merely showing your weakness. States and cities in America will now ignore his comments.

He is the president.. You are no one.

I know what the Accord holds nations to when they want to withdraw. The US may withdraw in November 2020. All of you Alt Righties crying? Your tears are sweet.

Doesn't matter. Our constitution trumps ANY foreign deal. This deal was made against the Constitution. Trump can do what he wants.

 

[NoNukes]

i hope we leave, it's the obama last grasp of attempting socialism.

195 nations signed the Paris Accord. The US, Nicaragua, and Syria are the only nations who aren't in the accord. It is not an Obama thing.

Trump is showing the world how stupid America has become, and his supporters love it.

That's not stupid. Stupid is thinking signing a piece of paper will change the climate somehow.

i hope we leave, it's the obama last grasp of attempting socialism.

195 nations signed the Paris Accord. The US, Nicaragua, and Syria are the only nations who aren't in the accord. It is not an Obama thing.

Trump is showing the world how stupid America has become, and his supporters love it.

That's not stupid. Stupid is thinking signing a piece of paper will change the climate somehow.

Signing the paper is only the beginning. Stupid people need to be told such things.

And stupid people told you to fuck off..

Of course you did.

 

[Slade3200]

Yeah I've heard that talking point for years. It's old and stale

It is true and accurate......billions of dollars from the U.S is supposed to be given to India, China, Russia and every other country.......and those countries can still do what ever they want because their is no way to make them do anything the treaty says they have to do....

And to you that makes perfect sense........? And this is why nutters like you can't be allowed to be in charge of anything.....

No it doesn't make sense to me... please explain how many billions of dollars were we supposed to give to China? And for doing what?

well that is exactly the point. do you know why we need to give billions of dollars and China doesn't do anything? you find that acceptable. Again, why you shouldn't be in charge of anything.

Do I need to retype the questions that you completely dodged?

He didn't Dodge nothing, you did.
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Can you not read? I asked how much money we are paying to China and where does it go? I hear the talking points claiming we are paying Russia and China Billions but I've never seen any specifics to back that up. So I'll ask again, how many billions of dollars are we paying China? How do we pay them? And where does that money go?

If you can't answer these questions then you are talking out of your ass when you complain about how this deal is paying China with our tax money. So please explain it to me