Trump Suddenly Loves 'Sleazy' FBI Agents, Insists He Always 'Has Their Backs'

[gipper]

What everyone should consider is that if the FBI can do that to an ex President of the United States...what are they going to do to an average American? That should concern everyone regardless of their political persuasion.

This has already played out. The FBI can do whatever it wants. It is unconstrained by anyone and anything. Of course, this was true before Don was potus, only its worse now.

They set up the Whitmer Plot, yet no consequences.
FBI’s tactics doomed case against men charged in kidnapping plot of Michigan governor

When hundreds of 1/6 rioters are held indefinitely in solidarity confinement, many of whom committed no crime other than being there, you know tyranny is here. The ACLU and a few members of Congress including Ds have complained, yet nothing is done.

Solitary confinement for Jan. 6 riot participants draws criticism from Democratic senators and ACLU

When the FBI Director can walk out of a Senate meeting early to go on vacation, well.
Wray claimed he had a plane to catch instead of doing his job. The aircraft was the FBI private jet, and the trip had nothing to do with work. Wray went on a weekend vacation.
FBI Director Wray Leaves Senate Hearing Early to Fly on Government Plane to Vacation Spot

 

[Chillicothe]

"This fbi ransacking has completely backfired... like everything else they touch that turns to shit.... the marxist parasites used to be politically savvy, but with the stolen election being exposed the panic is setting in and now they're fucking up by the numbers........Fucking idiots."

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Question to the MAGAhats of this board. And to the Q-Conspiracists too:

Is the above contribution, by the poster 'two iron' the style and quality of thought that is typical of all MAGAs?
Is poster 'two iron' the poster child for Trump Supporters?
The champion of the Q'sters of this chatroom?

I ask, because he...similar to other posters of his type.......seems to often post with no correctives, no push-back, no speedbumps, from the obvious Trump supporters of this venue.

Can we presume poster 'two iron' is who and how.......y'all wanna be? How y'all wanna communicate? Is his thinking embraced by you?

Is poster 'two iron' how you want Trump support to be represented to the larger audience?

 

[Lesh]

Have you read the warrant? That is EXACTLY what happened!

READ: Search warrant for Trump's Mar-a-Lago resort | CNN Politics

The US District Court for the Southern District of Florida on Friday unsealed the search warrant and property receipt from the FBI search of former President Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago resort in Palm Beach earlier this week.

www.cnn.com

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[two_iron]

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Question to the MAGAhats of this board. And to the Q-Conspiracists too:

Is the above contribution, by the poster 'two iron' the style and quality of thought that is typical of all MAGAs?
Is poster 'two iron' the poster child for Trump Supporters?
The champion of the Q'sters of this chatroom?

I ask, because he...similar to other posters of his type.......seems to often post with no correctives, no push-back, no speedbumps, from the obvious Trump supporters of this venue.

Can we presume poster 'two iron' is who and how.......y'all wanna be? How y'all wanna communicate? Is his thinking embraced by you?

Is poster 'two iron' how you want Trump support to be represented to the larger audience?

OMG you sniveling little shit 'chillicothe'.

Why do you even bother?

Wipe your tears and get back on your girlfriend's dick. It's not gonna suck itself.

BTW, nobody is going to come to your rescue....

 

[Uncensored2008]

Still no clue what you are rambling about.

That's okay, everyone else here does.

 

[Uncensored2008]

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Question to the MAGAhats of this board. And to the Q-Conspiracists too:

Is the above contribution, by the poster 'two iron' the style and quality of thought that is typical of all MAGAs?
Is poster 'two iron' the poster child for Trump Supporters?
The champion of the Q'sters of this chatroom?

I ask, because he...similar to other posters of his type.......seems to often post with no correctives, no push-back, no speedbumps, from the obvious Trump supporters of this venue.

Can we presume poster 'two iron' is who and how.......y'all wanna be? How y'all wanna communicate? Is his thinking embraced by you?

Is poster 'two iron' how you want Trump support to be represented to the larger audience?

Awwww, poor Chalicotherium. Outsmarted and outwitted by yet another board member.

Dude, you're an extinct sloth - everyone here is smarter than you..

 

[Oldestyle]

I've covered this already.

An officer pulls someone over. He smells pot. The driver refuses a search so they get a warrant. In the process of searching for the pot, they find 6 guns, heroin and cocaine. It's all going to get confiscated and used against the driver.

That's how a warrant works. But people (you) know this already.




This has been covered 5000 times also but yet you will continue even though it's been explained so many times. Yes he can declassify material but not simply by waving his hand and saying "this is declassified". That's not how it works. That's how Trump always wanted to pretend it works but it does not.

To use your analogy, Pknopp? If the warrant was for the car it would state so specifically and the reason given for the search would be that the officer smelled pot and suspected pot was in the car. If that search revealed other violations of the law then YES those things could also be charged against the driver.

A general warrant such as the FBI got from their compliant Magistrate gave them the right to seize not only the alleged "classified" documents but any other documents from Trump's entire Presidency whether they were classified or not! It also gave them the right to seize anything they wanted from the general locale of the alleged classified documents...giving them the right to go through everything of Trump's at Mar A Lago. That's a general warrant. It's what is protected against in the Constitution.

The overriding problem with that warrant however is that it alleges a crime that it hasn't proven existed. The President IS the Executive Branch! If he "says" something is declassified then it is because he is the ultimate authority. He doesn't have to fill out forms. He doesn't have to get permission. That authority is granted to him by the Constitution.

To use your analogy again? It would be like the officer smelling pot...the driver providing a legal marijuana card that shows that he is entitled to have the pot that the officer is smelling and the officer ignores that and gets a warrant to search the car on an illegal drug possession charge! That case and whatever is found during a subsequent search is going to be tossed out of court. It doesn't matter if the search turns up illegal weapons...it's a search that was a violation of the illegal search and seizure language of the Constitution.

 

[pknopp]

To use your analogy, Pknopp? If the warrant was for the car it would state so specifically and the reason given for the search would be that the officer smelled pot and suspected pot was in the car. If that search revealed other violations of the law then YES those things could also be charged against the driver.

A general warrant such as the FBI got from their compliant Magistrate gave them the right to seize not only the alleged "classified" documents but any other documents from Trump's entire Presidency whether they were classified or not! It also gave them the right to seize anything they wanted from the general locale of the alleged classified documents...giving them the right to go through everything of Trump's at Mar A Lago. That's a general warrant. It's what is protected against in the Constitution.

The overriding problem with that warrant however is that it alleges a crime that it hasn't proven existed.

No warrant proves a crime existed beforehand. That's not how it works. The warrant is gave to get the evidence that a crime was committed.

If charged, Trump would get his day in court.

The President IS the Executive Branch! If he "says" something is declassified then it is because he is the ultimate authority.

We have covered this over and over and you simply continue to parrot things you know not to be true.

 

[Lesh]

To use your analogy, Pknopp? If the warrant was for the car it would state so specifically and the reason given for the search would be that the officer smelled pot and suspected pot was in the car. If that search revealed other violations of the law then YES those things could also be charged against the driver.

A general warrant such as the FBI got from their compliant Magistrate gave them the right to seize not only the alleged "classified" documents but any other documents from Trump's entire Presidency whether they were classified or not! It also gave them the right to seize anything they wanted from the general locale of the alleged classified documents...giving them the right to go through everything of Trump's at Mar A Lago. That's a general warrant. It's what is protected against in the Constitution.

The overriding problem with that warrant however is that it alleges a crime that it hasn't proven existed. The President IS the Executive Branch! If he "says" something is declassified then it is because he is the ultimate authority. He doesn't have to fill out forms. He doesn't have to get permission. That authority is granted to him by the Constitution.

To use your analogy again? It would be like the officer smelling pot...the driver providing a legal marijuana card that shows that he is entitled to have the pot that the officer is smelling and the officer ignores that and gets a warrant to search the car on an illegal drug possession charge! That case and whatever is found during a subsequent search is going to be tossed out of court. It doesn't matter if the search turns up illegal weapons...it's a search that was a violation of the illegal search and seizure language of the Constitution.

That’s false. “Any other items” seized in a raid have to be related to illegal activity that is obvious to the officers involved.

For instance child porn, illegal drugs, obviously illegal weapons…

 

[Oldestyle]

No warrant proves a crime existed beforehand. That's not how it works. The warrant is gave to get the evidence that a crime was committed.

If charged, Trump would get his day in court.



We have covered this over and over and you simply continue to parrot things you know not to be true.

Ah, but you have to have solid proof that a crime has been committed, Pknopp! Proof that you can take to a judge and make them believe that a warrant is justified! Any judge that understands how the Constitution is framed would have immediately asked the FBI what crime has been committed if the President is given authority on what is and isn't classified! A fair judge would have then asked why a search warrant was justified after nearly two years having gone by and Trump already handing over documents and letting the FBI inspect what was there at Mar A Lago? An impartial judge would have also asked why they were asking for everything relating to Trump's entire Presidency and anything in the same location as documents relating to any part of Trump's Presidency if this were really about "classified documents"!

There is a reason why they went to this Magistrate and not a Federal Judge for their warrant! They needed someone who wouldn't ask questions and would give them their warrant as written. Any REAL judge would have told them to settle the question of whether Trump had the right to declassify materials! Without that being settled there is no crime and there is no basis for a warrant...especially one THAT broad!

 

[pknopp]

There is a reason why they went to this Magistrate and not a Federal Judge for their warrant! They needed someone who wouldn't ask questions and would give them their warrant as written. Any REAL judge would have told them to settle the question of whether Trump had the right to declassify materials! Without that being settled there is no crime and there is no basis for a warrant...especially one THAT broad!

That has long been settled and explained to you over and over and over and over again.

 

[Oldestyle]

That’s false. “Any other items” seized in a raid have to be related to illegal activity that is obvious to the officers involved.

For instance child porn, illegal drugs, obviously illegal weapons…

Not with that warrant! They were allowed to take items simply because they were from the Trump Presidency or were even in the same location as things from the Trump Presidency. Did you read the warrant?

 

[Oldestyle]

That has long been settled and explained to you over and over and over and over again.

It quite obviously hasn't been "settled" and won't be until the DOJ goes to court and provides proof that Trump didn't have authority to declassify materials! If they can't then this entire raid blows up in their faces.

 

[Oldestyle]

At some point that Magistrate is going to have to explain WHY he granted such a broad warrant and why he thought the DOJ had proven a crime had taken place!

 

[pknopp]

It quite obviously hasn't been "settled" and won't be until the DOJ goes to court and provides proof that Trump didn't have authority to declassify materials! If they can't then this entire raid blows up in their faces.

Again, no one has ever anywhere, at any time stated that Trump couldn't declassify materials. The argument was that he had to do it in a legal manner. He doesn't even try and argue he did that.

He wants to argue he mumbled something on the way out the door and that makes the articles declassified. It does not.

 

[Oldestyle]

Again, no one has ever anywhere, at any time stated that Trump couldn't declassify materials. The argument was that he had to do it in a legal manner. He doesn't even try and argue he did that.

He wants to argue he mumbled something on the way out the door and that makes the articles declassified. It does not.

Again...the President is the ultimate authority on classification. If he says something is declassified then it is. It's power granted to him by the Constitution.

 

[pknopp]

Again...the President is the ultimate authority on classification. If he says something is declassified then it is. It's power granted to him by the Constitution.

LOL.......if you say so. You are right, he wasn't president, he was the Supreme Ruler. LOL

 

[Oldestyle]

LOL.......if you say so. You are right, he wasn't president, he was the Supreme Ruler. LOL

The President by the Constitution IS the Executive Branch, Pknopp! He doesn't answer to anyone else on classification. You can call that whatever you want but that doesn't change what's in the Constitution. This raid was based on a ruling made by a Magistrate that obviously doesn't understand the Constitution at the request of an Attorney General that ALSO doesn't understand the Constitution! I don't know who is the bigger idiot...that Magistrate or Merrick Garland!

And it's not what I say...it's what the Constitution says!

 

[pknopp]

The President by the Constitution IS the Executive Branch, Pknopp! He doesn't answer to anyone else on classification. You can call that whatever you want but that doesn't change what's in the Constitution. This raid was based on a ruling made by a Magistrate that obviously doesn't understand the Constitution at the request of an Attorney General that ALSO doesn't understand the Constitution! I don't know who is the bigger idiot...that Magistrate or Merrick Garland!

And it's not what I say...it's what the Constitution says!

Here it is. The ruling states the president can declassify information BUT it must be done through established procedures.

https://cases.justia.com/federal/appellate-courts/ca2/18-2112/18-2112-2020-07-09.pdf?ts=1594303207

 

[Uncensored2008]

Here it is. The ruling states the president can declassify information BUT it must be done through established procedures.

https://cases.justia.com/federal/appellate-courts/ca2/18-2112/18-2112-2020-07-09.pdf?ts=1594303207

That's not even what the case, which you didn't bother to read, was about.

{“[W]hen an agency has officially acknowledged otherwise 4 exempt information through prior disclosure, the agency has waived its right to claim an exemption with respect to that information.”16 5 More than a decade ago, in Wilson v. CIA, 6 17 we applied a precise and 7 strict test for claims of official disclosure. Classified information that 8 a party seeks to obtain or publish is deemed to have been officially 9 disclosed “only if it (1) ‘[is] as specific as the information previously 10 released,’ (2) ‘match[es] the information previously disclosed,’ and (3) was ‘made public through an official and documented disclosure.’”18}