Trump to cut $2.7t from domestic programs...Is the FSA pissing themselves?

[bripat9643]

They got increased defense spending.

I'm talking about the last partial budget, moron. Trump got less than nothing.

In the last full budget, the Dims got 5 times more than the defense spending Trump was asking for.

Trump wanted a increase in defense spending and he got it. He also got more money for border security but not a wall.

But he did get more money for the border fence, about 8 billion more.

A fence is not a wall and he got $1.3 billion.

No one can get over a "wall" made from steel slats. No one. It's not possible.

Not when someone is watching it, moron.

 

[bripat9643]

Weird, Trump promised Mexico was going to pay for the wall.

And that was a lie.

And Trump promised he would never touch Social Security and Medicare.

And that was a lie.

Evidence Trump is a cult? Of course. When he can screw over his base and they love it. And want more of it.

The free shit army is the Democrat base, moron.

 

[candycorn]

President Trump has certainly done a bang up job thus far reducing our debt and deficit.

You comparing him to the Kenyan?

He is doing much worse than Obama.

Obama ran trillion dollar deficits in the middle of Great Recession.

Trump is doing that in what you fools describe as "economic boom!"

 

[Mac1958]

President Trump has certainly done a bang up job thus far reducing our debt and deficit.

But found a way to make deep cuts in Medicare and Medicaid, plus cuts to SSDI.

And his fans keep applauding.

This is surreal.
.

 

[debbiedowner]

Trump budget would put an end to some drug-cost help under Medicare Part D

Retirees with high prescription drug costs might want to keep an eye on President Trump's hoped-for changes to Medicare.

The president's proposed 2020 budget, released Monday, calls for allowing Medicare to negotiate lower prices with pharmaceutical companies and would cap how much beneficiaries pay out-of-pocket under Part D prescription drug coverage, among other provisions. Yet it also would get rid of some help that beneficiaries receive for their medicines.

On top of eliminating help with generic drug costs for low-income Medicare recipients, the budget would stop allowing manufacturer discounts to count toward a beneficiary's out-of-pocket costs during the so-called coverage gap under Part D.

"If those discounts are no longer counted, it means people would spend longer in the coverage gap and spend more out of pocket," said Mary Johnson, Social Security and Medicare policy analyst for The Senior Citizens League. "Those discounts currently are 70 percent of the cost of a drug."

Medicare Part D's coverage gap, or "donut hole," is the time between a drug plan's coverage limit ($3,820 for 2019) and the threshold for qualifying for catastrophic coverage ($5,100 for 2019), which is when your share of the cost drops.

While Medicare beneficiaries now pay 25 percent for brand-name drugs during that gap — the same share before reaching the drug plan's limit — they also have been able to count manufacturer discounts toward their out-of-pocket costs while in the gap. That helps them reach the catastrophic phase of coverage faster.

Some retirees with lower income get extra help to cover the cost of their medicine. Others, however, have too much income to qualify for assistance but nevertheless struggle to pay the cost of their prescriptions — which can lead to drastic choices.

"They start cutting tablets in half to stretch out their medicine, or use credit cards to pay," said Elizabeth Gavino, founder of Lewin & Gavino in New York and an independent broker and general agent for Medicare plans. "For some, it's a choice of taking medicine or buying food."

Adding to the potential woes for those already struggling is the impending expiration at the end of 2019 of an Affordable Care Act provision that limited annual increases in the threshold for catastrophic coverage. Over the past nine years, yearly increases have totaled $550 altogether.

In 2020, however, the threshold is projected to jump by $1,250 to $6,350 from $5,100 this year, according to the 2018 Medicare trustees report. Beyond that, the increase is expected to average $450 each year through 2027, at which point the out-of-pocket threshold would hit $9,450.

"That's a huge amount of money for future retirees or people retiring today who will be paying that much more," Johnson said.

Not a very good article. If the discounts don''t count toward the coverage gap, then the undiscounted price would count and that would help people satisfy the coverage gap sooner.

You're not a senior are you? You're not taking any very expensive drugs are you? You don't understand one thing about Part D do you? The manufacturers discount saved people thousands of dollars and what the manufacturer paid went towards their catastrophic. I don't think you read the whole article.

I understand part D perfectly. I use it all the time. Manufacturers can and will still provide discounts but the discounts - discounts are based on income and wealth and not on any Medicare rulings - will not apply to the coverage gap, that is, the undiscounted price will have to apply and that will allow people to move passed the coverage gap sooner.

No just by what you posted you do not fully understand it. Did you ever reach your gap (donut hole)? We'll go from there.

 

[debbiedowner]

President Trump has certainly done a bang up job thus far reducing our debt and deficit.

But found a way to make deep cuts in Medicare and Medicaid, plus cuts to SSDI.

And his fans keep applauding.

This is surreal.
.

You know I don't totally disagree with cuts to SSDI if it is reviewed correctly, but it won't be. I don't know if you know anyone on SSDI but I have run in to many over the years, some I say ok you are really disabled, then I look at other's that are on disability for back problems out landscaping or working under the table for construction contractor's. Then there are the mentally disabled and most I've met are definitely in need of help and a few not so much. We all know how this will end up the people that really deserve it will be the ones to suffer.

My boss who has always voted straight party and a decent contributor to the republican party said back in 2003 that Bush should not push the Medicare Act and they would fuck up Part D. It started out and most loved it but the donut hole and catastrophic got to them. Then along comes obamacare that slowly closes the gap and made manufacturers give the discounts in the donut hole and what you and manufacturers added together got you to catastrophic and saved seniors millions, lowered the amount to get to catastrophic. Now the proposal would essentially take it back in time and who knows when one's turning 65 today may end up having to meet $9000 + in the very near future to get to catastrophic. Some on this board disagree with this but they apparently have never taken 2 to 3 injectable drugs for diabetes, parkinsons (which by the way will normally get you to cat in about 2-3 months into the year. Cancer drugs that are covered under Part D, anyway many drugs will get you there within a few months and once there this year your generic would cost $3.50 and Brand $8.50.

 

[jc456]

so you're not for ending the deficit?

There have to be no sacred cows. We do not need $8.6 billion for a wall. We need to tackle military waste. Cost overruns on weapons systems are enormous.

A wall pays for itself within 3 years. It's fiscally irresponsible to not build a wall.

We don't need a fucking wall. Just because white racists are desperately trying to hold onto political power, we don't need to spend the money. We are responsible for the increased flow across the border. American dollars fuel the drug cartels.

Who's "we"? You got a mouse in your pocket. A Democrat Congress promised to secure the border in 1986 and hasn't done it yet.
In exchange for the promised border security, Ronald Reagan granted amnesty to 3 million illegals. It's way past time to secure the border.

Ronald Reagan opposed building walls. He was for tearing down walls.

and yet he requested funding for a wall. did you know that? the congress reneged.

 

[jc456]

Big talk for someone who claims not to have voted.

Who the fuck ever said I have not voted? Is this all you have left, stupid lies? I vote every election.

That's not what you have been saying. You claim you didn't vote for either Trump or Clinton, and those were the only two candidates who had a chance of winning, so you didn't vote in any meaningful way, you just pouted.

The morons are the people who voted for Trump or Clinton. In Utah approximately a quarter of voters voted for someone other than Trump or Clinton.

so they volunteered for them to win. got it.

They voted for the best candidate. They are the smart ones.

the best candidate to lose!!!

 

[Norman]

President Trump has certainly done a bang up job thus far reducing our debt and deficit.

But found a way to make deep cuts in Medicare and Medicaid, plus cuts to SSDI.

And his fans keep applauding.

This is surreal.
.

I haven't looked into what he is proposing. But if he's proposing cutting medicare medicaid and SS, I will have to turn into a Trump fan-boy. Worst programs ever conducted, based on Ponzi financing. They will run out of money anyway, absent from us inventing a super AI that will take care of everything. Too bad that those programs siphoned all the money that was supposed to be invested into that.

And yes, obviously there is a danger that like in the terminator movies, the AI will simply take over. Given the choice between this dystopian future and the current one where America is taken over by third worlders, I welcome the change.

 

[Mac1958]

President Trump has certainly done a bang up job thus far reducing our debt and deficit.

But found a way to make deep cuts in Medicare and Medicaid, plus cuts to SSDI.

And his fans keep applauding.

This is surreal.
.

I haven't looked into what he is proposing. But if he's proposing cutting medicare medicaid and SS, I will have to turn into a Trump fan-boy. Worst programs ever conducted, based on Ponzi financing. They will run out of money anyway, absent from us inventing a super AI that will take care of everything. Too bad that those programs siphoned all the money that was supposed to be invested into that.

A lot of people would suffer. I don't know how that can be justified, but I guess that's where we are now.
.

 

[Norman]

President Trump has certainly done a bang up job thus far reducing our debt and deficit.

But found a way to make deep cuts in Medicare and Medicaid, plus cuts to SSDI.

And his fans keep applauding.

This is surreal.
.

I haven't looked into what he is proposing. But if he's proposing cutting medicare medicaid and SS, I will have to turn into a Trump fan-boy. Worst programs ever conducted, based on Ponzi financing. They will run out of money anyway, absent from us inventing a super AI that will take care of everything. Too bad that those programs siphoned all the money that was supposed to be invested into that.

A lot of people would suffer. I don't know how that can be justified, but I guess that's where we are now.
.

A lot of people will also suffer paying for ponzi schemes they didn't vote for. If you want to talk about how something is justified you will have more luck talking to a priest.

However, if you want talk about true suffering we should focus on the coming civil war rather than a single mom having to find a man to provide for her. Which is... not much suffering at all compared to everyone you know being shipped to graveyard. With any luck you will be among the first. The consequences of recklessness...

 

[Mac1958]

President Trump has certainly done a bang up job thus far reducing our debt and deficit.

But found a way to make deep cuts in Medicare and Medicaid, plus cuts to SSDI.

And his fans keep applauding.

This is surreal.
.

I haven't looked into what he is proposing. But if he's proposing cutting medicare medicaid and SS, I will have to turn into a Trump fan-boy. Worst programs ever conducted, based on Ponzi financing. They will run out of money anyway, absent from us inventing a super AI that will take care of everything. Too bad that those programs siphoned all the money that was supposed to be invested into that.

A lot of people would suffer. I don't know how that can be justified, but I guess that's where we are now.
.

A lot of people will also suffer paying for ponzi schemes they didn't vote for. If you want to talk about how something is justified you will have more luck talking to a priest.

However, if you want talk about true suffering we should focus on the coming civil war rather than a single mom having to find a man to provide for her. Which is... not much suffering at all compared to everyone you know being shipped to graveyard. With any luck you will be among the first. The consequences of recklessness...

Yikes. I wish I hadn't seen that post.

Okay.
.

 

[mdk]

Jesus Christ.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Trump budget would put an end to some drug-cost help under Medicare Part D

Retirees with high prescription drug costs might want to keep an eye on President Trump's hoped-for changes to Medicare.

The president's proposed 2020 budget, released Monday, calls for allowing Medicare to negotiate lower prices with pharmaceutical companies and would cap how much beneficiaries pay out-of-pocket under Part D prescription drug coverage, among other provisions. Yet it also would get rid of some help that beneficiaries receive for their medicines.

On top of eliminating help with generic drug costs for low-income Medicare recipients, the budget would stop allowing manufacturer discounts to count toward a beneficiary's out-of-pocket costs during the so-called coverage gap under Part D.

"If those discounts are no longer counted, it means people would spend longer in the coverage gap and spend more out of pocket," said Mary Johnson, Social Security and Medicare policy analyst for The Senior Citizens League. "Those discounts currently are 70 percent of the cost of a drug."

Medicare Part D's coverage gap, or "donut hole," is the time between a drug plan's coverage limit ($3,820 for 2019) and the threshold for qualifying for catastrophic coverage ($5,100 for 2019), which is when your share of the cost drops.

While Medicare beneficiaries now pay 25 percent for brand-name drugs during that gap — the same share before reaching the drug plan's limit — they also have been able to count manufacturer discounts toward their out-of-pocket costs while in the gap. That helps them reach the catastrophic phase of coverage faster.

Some retirees with lower income get extra help to cover the cost of their medicine. Others, however, have too much income to qualify for assistance but nevertheless struggle to pay the cost of their prescriptions — which can lead to drastic choices.

"They start cutting tablets in half to stretch out their medicine, or use credit cards to pay," said Elizabeth Gavino, founder of Lewin & Gavino in New York and an independent broker and general agent for Medicare plans. "For some, it's a choice of taking medicine or buying food."

Adding to the potential woes for those already struggling is the impending expiration at the end of 2019 of an Affordable Care Act provision that limited annual increases in the threshold for catastrophic coverage. Over the past nine years, yearly increases have totaled $550 altogether.

In 2020, however, the threshold is projected to jump by $1,250 to $6,350 from $5,100 this year, according to the 2018 Medicare trustees report. Beyond that, the increase is expected to average $450 each year through 2027, at which point the out-of-pocket threshold would hit $9,450.

"That's a huge amount of money for future retirees or people retiring today who will be paying that much more," Johnson said.

Not a very good article. If the discounts don''t count toward the coverage gap, then the undiscounted price would count and that would help people satisfy the coverage gap sooner.

You're not a senior are you? You're not taking any very expensive drugs are you? You don't understand one thing about Part D do you? The manufacturers discount saved people thousands of dollars and what the manufacturer paid went towards their catastrophic. I don't think you read the whole article.

I understand part D perfectly. I use it all the time. Manufacturers can and will still provide discounts but the discounts - discounts are based on income and wealth and not on any Medicare rulings - will not apply to the coverage gap, that is, the undiscounted price will have to apply and that will allow people to move passed the coverage gap sooner.

No just by what you posted you do not fully understand it. Did you ever reach your gap (donut hole)? We'll go from there.

Clearly you have no idea what you read. Nothing in the article suggests that the discounts will disappear.

 

[debbiedowner]

President Trump has certainly done a bang up job thus far reducing our debt and deficit.

But found a way to make deep cuts in Medicare and Medicaid, plus cuts to SSDI.

And his fans keep applauding.

This is surreal.
.

I haven't looked into what he is proposing. But if he's proposing cutting medicare medicaid and SS, I will have to turn into a Trump fan-boy. Worst programs ever conducted, based on Ponzi financing. They will run out of money anyway, absent from us inventing a super AI that will take care of everything. Too bad that those programs siphoned all the money that was supposed to be invested into that.

A lot of people would suffer. I don't know how that can be justified, but I guess that's where we are now.
.

It doesn't make sense on the Part D to cut the manufacturers discount it's not costing the government nothing.

 

[debbiedowner]

Trump budget would put an end to some drug-cost help under Medicare Part D

Retirees with high prescription drug costs might want to keep an eye on President Trump's hoped-for changes to Medicare.

The president's proposed 2020 budget, released Monday, calls for allowing Medicare to negotiate lower prices with pharmaceutical companies and would cap how much beneficiaries pay out-of-pocket under Part D prescription drug coverage, among other provisions. Yet it also would get rid of some help that beneficiaries receive for their medicines.

On top of eliminating help with generic drug costs for low-income Medicare recipients, the budget would stop allowing manufacturer discounts to count toward a beneficiary's out-of-pocket costs during the so-called coverage gap under Part D.

"If those discounts are no longer counted, it means people would spend longer in the coverage gap and spend more out of pocket," said Mary Johnson, Social Security and Medicare policy analyst for The Senior Citizens League. "Those discounts currently are 70 percent of the cost of a drug."

Medicare Part D's coverage gap, or "donut hole," is the time between a drug plan's coverage limit ($3,820 for 2019) and the threshold for qualifying for catastrophic coverage ($5,100 for 2019), which is when your share of the cost drops.

While Medicare beneficiaries now pay 25 percent for brand-name drugs during that gap — the same share before reaching the drug plan's limit — they also have been able to count manufacturer discounts toward their out-of-pocket costs while in the gap. That helps them reach the catastrophic phase of coverage faster.

Some retirees with lower income get extra help to cover the cost of their medicine. Others, however, have too much income to qualify for assistance but nevertheless struggle to pay the cost of their prescriptions — which can lead to drastic choices.

"They start cutting tablets in half to stretch out their medicine, or use credit cards to pay," said Elizabeth Gavino, founder of Lewin & Gavino in New York and an independent broker and general agent for Medicare plans. "For some, it's a choice of taking medicine or buying food."

Adding to the potential woes for those already struggling is the impending expiration at the end of 2019 of an Affordable Care Act provision that limited annual increases in the threshold for catastrophic coverage. Over the past nine years, yearly increases have totaled $550 altogether.

In 2020, however, the threshold is projected to jump by $1,250 to $6,350 from $5,100 this year, according to the 2018 Medicare trustees report. Beyond that, the increase is expected to average $450 each year through 2027, at which point the out-of-pocket threshold would hit $9,450.

"That's a huge amount of money for future retirees or people retiring today who will be paying that much more," Johnson said.

Not a very good article. If the discounts don''t count toward the coverage gap, then the undiscounted price would count and that would help people satisfy the coverage gap sooner.

You're not a senior are you? You're not taking any very expensive drugs are you? You don't understand one thing about Part D do you? The manufacturers discount saved people thousands of dollars and what the manufacturer paid went towards their catastrophic. I don't think you read the whole article.

I understand part D perfectly. I use it all the time. Manufacturers can and will still provide discounts but the discounts - discounts are based on income and wealth and not on any Medicare rulings - will not apply to the coverage gap, that is, the undiscounted price will have to apply and that will allow people to move passed the coverage gap sooner.

No just by what you posted you do not fully understand it. Did you ever reach your gap (donut hole)? We'll go from there.

Clearly you have no idea what you read. Nothing in the article suggests that the discounts will disappear.

On top of eliminating help with generic drug costs for low-income Medicare recipients, the budget would stop allowing manufacturer discounts to count toward a beneficiary's out-of-pocket costs during the so-called coverage gap under Part D.

I see now where we have a difference I am saying they are proposing not letting the the cost the manufacturer pays towards your drugs in the donut is going away. So the beneficiary will not reach the catastrophic as they did before and therefore costing the beneficiary more out of their pockets to reach the catastrophic. They will reach this much later than sooner.

 

[debbiedowner]

President Trump has certainly done a bang up job thus far reducing our debt and deficit.

But found a way to make deep cuts in Medicare and Medicaid, plus cuts to SSDI.

And his fans keep applauding.

This is surreal.
.

I haven't looked into what he is proposing. But if he's proposing cutting medicare medicaid and SS, I will have to turn into a Trump fan-boy. Worst programs ever conducted, based on Ponzi financing. They will run out of money anyway, absent from us inventing a super AI that will take care of everything. Too bad that those programs siphoned all the money that was supposed to be invested into that.

A lot of people would suffer. I don't know how that can be justified, but I guess that's where we are now.
.

A lot of people will also suffer paying for ponzi schemes they didn't vote for. If you want to talk about how something is justified you will have more luck talking to a priest.

However, if you want talk about true suffering we should focus on the coming civil war rather than a single mom having to find a man to provide for her. Which is... not much suffering at all compared to everyone you know being shipped to graveyard. With any luck you will be among the first. The consequences of recklessness...

Let he who proposes a civil war take the first bullet.

 

[Mac1958]

President Trump has certainly done a bang up job thus far reducing our debt and deficit.

But found a way to make deep cuts in Medicare and Medicaid, plus cuts to SSDI.

And his fans keep applauding.

This is surreal.
.

I haven't looked into what he is proposing. But if he's proposing cutting medicare medicaid and SS, I will have to turn into a Trump fan-boy. Worst programs ever conducted, based on Ponzi financing. They will run out of money anyway, absent from us inventing a super AI that will take care of everything. Too bad that those programs siphoned all the money that was supposed to be invested into that.

A lot of people would suffer. I don't know how that can be justified, but I guess that's where we are now.
.

A lot of people will also suffer paying for ponzi schemes they didn't vote for. If you want to talk about how something is justified you will have more luck talking to a priest.

However, if you want talk about true suffering we should focus on the coming civil war rather than a single mom having to find a man to provide for her. Which is... not much suffering at all compared to everyone you know being shipped to graveyard. With any luck you will be among the first. The consequences of recklessness...

Let he who proposes a civil war take the first bullet.

There won't be a civil war.

Just a lot of impotent rage.
.

 

[skews13]

But found a way to make deep cuts in Medicare and Medicaid, plus cuts to SSDI.

And his fans keep applauding.

This is surreal.
.

I haven't looked into what he is proposing. But if he's proposing cutting medicare medicaid and SS, I will have to turn into a Trump fan-boy. Worst programs ever conducted, based on Ponzi financing. They will run out of money anyway, absent from us inventing a super AI that will take care of everything. Too bad that those programs siphoned all the money that was supposed to be invested into that.

A lot of people would suffer. I don't know how that can be justified, but I guess that's where we are now.
.

A lot of people will also suffer paying for ponzi schemes they didn't vote for. If you want to talk about how something is justified you will have more luck talking to a priest.

However, if you want talk about true suffering we should focus on the coming civil war rather than a single mom having to find a man to provide for her. Which is... not much suffering at all compared to everyone you know being shipped to graveyard. With any luck you will be among the first. The consequences of recklessness...

Let he who proposes a civil war take the first bullet.

There won't be a civil war.

Just a lot of impotent rage.
.

Not to mention that this budget will never be anything other than bird cage lining.

 

[ChesBayJJ]

Trump will propose a budget. He isn't going to "cut" anything.