Trump’s Civil War Comments Show ‘Lack’ Of Understanding History

What an ignoramus -



Ignoramus gave me a smile because I was once called that by a black woman in Walmart's parking lot because I used two parking spaces. I said this is my new truck and don't want anybody to ding or dent it. She called me "ignoramus" and I only smiled back.


OK, the next time I see any woman driving a new Mercedes Benz and park it in Walmart's parking lot taking two spaces I will endeavor to accidently ding her doors.






Everyone makes a point of smashing shopping carts into the cars of assholes who park like that.


Sister-in-law sold her Porsche because people kept dinging it..even when she was legally parked. She got sick of the hassles.

Greg


I live in America and only buy American made cars or pickup trucks. I don't drink wine but if I did would only buy Napa Valley wine. Globalization sucks.

I have a '99 Jeep but the motor is now from the US. The rest was Austrian.

I LIKE level playing field competition but not at the expense of one's own economic viability. The "cheap wages" thing is hard to beat but quality will do it every time. But where markets are manipulated, as the Chinese did for years, then stuff the bastards.

Greg
 
93 million die a day in America from gun violence.


.....Dems.

Greg
 
Ignoramus gave me a smile because I was once called that by a black woman in Walmart's parking lot because I used two parking spaces. I said this is my new truck and don't want anybody to ding or dent it. She called me "ignoramus" and I only smiled back.

OK, the next time I see any woman driving a new Mercedes Benz and park it in Walmart's parking lot taking two spaces I will endeavor to accidently ding her doors.






Everyone makes a point of smashing shopping carts into the cars of assholes who park like that.

Sister-in-law sold her Porsche because people kept dinging it..even when she was legally parked. She got sick of the hassles.

Greg

I live in America and only buy American made cars or pickup trucks. I don't drink wine but if I did would only buy Napa Valley wine. Globalization sucks.
I have a '99 Jeep but the motor is now from the US. The rest was Austrian.

I LIKE level playing field competition but not at the expense of one's own economic viability. The "cheap wages" thing is hard to beat but quality will do it every time. But where markets are manipulated, as the Chinese did for years, then stuff the bastards.

Greg
Modern Heeps are consistently last in reliability. Great 4x4 though if you don't mind throwing money at it.
 
OK, the next time I see any woman driving a new Mercedes Benz and park it in Walmart's parking lot taking two spaces I will endeavor to accidently ding her doors.






Everyone makes a point of smashing shopping carts into the cars of assholes who park like that.

Sister-in-law sold her Porsche because people kept dinging it..even when she was legally parked. She got sick of the hassles.

Greg

I live in America and only buy American made cars or pickup trucks. I don't drink wine but if I did would only buy Napa Valley wine. Globalization sucks.
I have a '99 Jeep but the motor is now from the US. The rest was Austrian.

I LIKE level playing field competition but not at the expense of one's own economic viability. The "cheap wages" thing is hard to beat but quality will do it every time. But where markets are manipulated, as the Chinese did for years, then stuff the bastards.

Greg
Modern Heeps are consistently last in reliability. Great 4x4 though if you don't mind throwing money at it.

My sons are very mechanically minded. Parts are quite cheap online. In short, loving it. Best car FOR ME I've ever driven.

Greg
 
What an ignoramus -



Ignoramus gave me a smile because I was once called that by a black woman in Walmart's parking lot because I used two parking spaces. I said this is my new truck and don't want anybody to ding or dent it. She called me "ignoramus" and I only smiled back.


OK, the next time I see any woman driving a new Mercedes Benz and park it in Walmart's parking lot taking two spaces I will endeavor to accidently ding her doors.






Everyone makes a point of smashing shopping carts into the cars of assholes who park like that.





Anyone who parks like an asshole gets what they get.
 

Sister-in-law sold her Porsche because people kept dinging it..even when she was legally parked. She got sick of the hassles.

Greg

I live in America and only buy American made cars or pickup trucks. I don't drink wine but if I did would only buy Napa Valley wine. Globalization sucks.
I have a '99 Jeep but the motor is now from the US. The rest was Austrian.

I LIKE level playing field competition but not at the expense of one's own economic viability. The "cheap wages" thing is hard to beat but quality will do it every time. But where markets are manipulated, as the Chinese did for years, then stuff the bastards.

Greg
Modern Heeps are consistently last in reliability. Great 4x4 though if you don't mind throwing money at it.

My sons are very mechanically minded. Parts are quite cheap online. In short, loving it. Best car FOR ME I've ever driven.

Greg

I abhor, detest and despise the metric system. Buy a foreign car and guess what you got, the dreaded metric system..
 
Sister-in-law sold her Porsche because people kept dinging it..even when she was legally parked. She got sick of the hassles.

Greg

I live in America and only buy American made cars or pickup trucks. I don't drink wine but if I did would only buy Napa Valley wine. Globalization sucks.
I have a '99 Jeep but the motor is now from the US. The rest was Austrian.

I LIKE level playing field competition but not at the expense of one's own economic viability. The "cheap wages" thing is hard to beat but quality will do it every time. But where markets are manipulated, as the Chinese did for years, then stuff the bastards.

Greg
Modern Heeps are consistently last in reliability. Great 4x4 though if you don't mind throwing money at it.

My sons are very mechanically minded. Parts are quite cheap online. In short, loving it. Best car FOR ME I've ever driven.

Greg

I abhor, detest and despise the metric system. Buy a foreign car and guess what you got, the dreaded metric system..

Here ALL new cars are pretty much foreign. Even Jeeps. Yeah; I still think in Imperial though no one else here uses it. I'm getting out of practice though.

Greg
 
What an ignoramus -





lol.......nobody cares......like somebody saying, "OMG.......Jennifer Lawrence has a pimple on her butt!"

Its the old form vs function thing.......to progressives, form is far more important than function ( thus why they never care about "results" as long as the intentions are good :spinner: ). Trump is all about function. WINNING.:popcorn:

The progressives still don't get it now how many months later?:up:
 

Sister-in-law sold her Porsche because people kept dinging it..even when she was legally parked. She got sick of the hassles.

Greg

I live in America and only buy American made cars or pickup trucks. I don't drink wine but if I did would only buy Napa Valley wine. Globalization sucks.
I have a '99 Jeep but the motor is now from the US. The rest was Austrian.

I LIKE level playing field competition but not at the expense of one's own economic viability. The "cheap wages" thing is hard to beat but quality will do it every time. But where markets are manipulated, as the Chinese did for years, then stuff the bastards.

Greg
Modern Heeps are consistently last in reliability. Great 4x4 though if you don't mind throwing money at it.

My sons are very mechanically minded. Parts are quite cheap online. In short, loving it. Best car FOR ME I've ever driven.

Greg
Older Jeeps are amazing vehicles. I put over 150k miles on an XJ, it had 80k when I bought it. Sold it with 240k miles. A friend had a 1980 CJ7 v-8 3 speed that was the most unstoppable off road vehicle I have ever seen. It's a shame the new ones are plagued with low reliability.
 
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When I first saw your thread, I feared that Trump had again uttered that bit of foolishness; however, checking the video's date (May 1, 2017) I found that not to be so. Accordingly, I'll reprize what I have written about Trump's having made that remark.

Donald Trump remarked that Andrew Jackson "was really angry that he saw what was happening with regard to the Civil War." That remark is merely among the most recent Trump has made and that show his penchant not only for revisionist history (alternative facts?) -- modern and long ago -- and/or his abject ignorance of yet another subject, American history.

No small number of people have noted salient facts about Andrew Jackson:
  • He died some 15 years before the Civil War.
  • He was POTUS some 30 years before the Civil War.
  • He owned ~150 slaves, enough that (1) we can safely say he didn't take great exception with the "peculiar institution," and (2) he, in person, may not actually have known or met each of them.
Was Jackson cognizant of the divisive potential slavery held? Of course, he was. Everyone and every political leader dating to the Founders was. Jackson, like plenty of his contemporaries, surely remarked upon how slavery may well be "the undoing of the nation." So contentious was the issue that there'd have been and is nothing particularly prescient in his having done so.

Quite simply, one either was supportive of/acquiescent about slavery or one was not, and the extent which one held either stance drove one's position on its political impact. Similarly, one had a 50/50 shot of being right, no matter one's thoughts about whether slavery would sunder the nation. So it is with all things binary.

Trump's dearth of knowledge about Jackson and his age's U.S. history, though bizarre for a man who has succeeded Jackson, is minor. Far more troubling is "The Donald's" ardently pathological refusal to keep mum about things he doesn't know well. Even worse, however, is the toddler-like obdurate truculence he manifests in avouching the verity of his thus uttered hogwash.​
 
What an ignoramus -





lol.......nobody cares......like somebody saying, "OMG.......Jennifer Lawrence has a pimple on her butt!"

Its the old form vs function thing.......to progressives, form is far more important than function ( thus why they never care about "results" as long as the intentions are good :spinner: ). Trump is all about function. WINNING.:popcorn:

The progressives still don't get it now how many months later?:up:


Ignoramus was
What an ignoramus -





lol.......nobody cares......like somebody saying, "OMG.......Jennifer Lawrence has a pimple on her butt!"

Its the old form vs function thing.......to progressives, form is far more important than function ( thus why they never care about "results" as long as the intentions are good :spinner: ). Trump is all about function. WINNING.:popcorn:

The progressives still don't get it now how many months later?:up:


I think but not sure ignoramus is a fake word created by Lewis Carroll. Synonym: nincompoop.
 
There’s been a lot of ignorant commentary lately about Donald Trump’s speculation that Andrew Jackson wouldn’t have let the Civil War happen. Doesn’t Trump know that Jackson died 16 years before Fort Sumter?!?

But Trump was right to point to Jackson’s successful handling of South Carolina’s secessionist movement in the 1830s, which was led by Jackson’s initial vice president, the formidable pro-slavery intellectual John C. Calhoun.

The ostensible subject was South Carolina being anti-tariff, but as Calhoun admitted privately in 1830, the ultimate cause was that South Carolina’s “peculiar domestick institution” had made South Carolina different enough that economic policy that was in the national interest would generally not be in South Carolina’s interest.

The crisis began around 1830 with a famous debate in the U.S. Senate between the southerner Hayne and the New Englander Webster:

The debate presented the fullest articulation of the differences over nullification, and 40,000 copies of Webster’s response, which concluded with “liberty and Union, now and forever, one and inseparable”, were distributed nationwide.

Many people expected the states’ rights Jackson to side with Hayne. However once the debate shifted to secession and nullification, Jackson sided with Webster. On April 13, 1830 at the traditional Democratic Party celebration honoring Thomas Jefferson’s birthday, Jackson chose to make his position clear. In a battle of toasts, Hayne proposed, “The Union of the States, and the Sovereignty of the States.” Jackson’s response, when his turn came, was, “Our Federal Union: It must be preserved.” To those attending, the effect was dramatic. Calhoun would respond with his own toast, in a play on Webster’s closing remarks in the earlier debate, “The Union. Next to our liberty, the most dear.” Finally Martin Van Buren would offer, “Mutual forbearance and reciprocal concession. Through their agency the Union was established. The patriotic spirit from which they emanated will forever sustain it.”

Van Buren wrote in his autobiography of Jackson’s toast, “The veil was rent – the incantations of the night were exposed to the light of day.” Senator Thomas Hart Benton, in his memoirs, stated that the toast “electrified the country.”[67] Jackson would have the final words a few days later when a visitor from South Carolina asked if Jackson had any message he wanted relayed to his friends back in the state. Jackson’s reply was:

“ Yes I have; please give my compliments to my friends in your State and say to them, that if a single drop of blood shall be shed there in opposition to the laws of the United States, I will hang the first man I can lay my hand on engaged in such treasonable conduct, upon the first tree I can reach.
Jackson’s uncompromising stand in favor of Union, and willingness to use federal might on the side of nationalism, combined with his lack of enthusiasm for tariffs, gave him the opportunity to turn what had looked like a national crisis into routine political horse-trading, with tariffs being reduced enough to allow South Carolinians to climb down from the perch they had gotten out on.

Jackson’s proteges, such as Sam Houston who had fought under Jackson during the War of 1812, and gone on to be governor of Tennessee, President of the Republic of Texas, and finally governor of Texas, tended to be exactly the type of pro-Union Southerners that Lincoln needed more of. In 1861, Houston was deposed as governor of Texas by secessionists because he refused to take a loyalty oath to the Confederacy.

Similarly, Lincoln chose Andrew Johnson, a Jackson-like Tennessee Democrat pro-Union man, as his running mate in 1864.

My personal feeling is that a military confrontation between the Union and South Carolina, font of the ideology that a slave owning oligarchy was the highest form of society, was inevitable at some point in the 19th Century. The big question was how many other states would ally with the South Carolina firebreathers?

Jackson had adeptly kept Calhoun’s South Carolina malcontents isolated by focusing on the key issue of Union.

When it came to the crisis after the 1860 election, South Carolina seceded first, followed quickly by six deep Southern slave states that largely depended upon King Cotton.

But then nothing happened for months, with the other 8 slave states uncertain what to do. Unfortunately, Lincoln didn’t seem to perceive the significance of the national crisis, devoting much of his energy during his first six weeks in the White House to interviewing Republican volunteers seeking local postmaster jobs.

Lincoln’s unreadiness for the big time drove William Seward, Lincoln’s secretary of state, crazy. Seward put forward a plan to re-unite the Union by taking exception to how France and Spain were violating the Monroe Doctrine in response to internal American disarray by colonizing Mexico and the Dominican Republic, respectively. But Lincoln saw Seward’s clever idea as a personal diss and shut down all consideration of it.

Eventually, the Union managed to hang on to four slave states, including crucial Kentucky. But after Fort Sumter, it lost four states to the Confederacy, including Jackson’s old state of Tennessee, where much of the Civil War was fought, and, catastrophically, Virginia, which became the main battlefront. Virginia is further north than any other secessionist state, so it should have stayed in the Union with Kentucky and Missouri. But Lincoln’s belated initiatives to hold Virginia, such as offering Robert E. Lee command of the Union Army, didn’t come until after Virginia had finally voted for secession.

What should have been a quick war thus turned into a 4 year long ordeal that killed 750,000 Americans, largely fought in Jackson’s state of Tennessee and heavily Scots-Irish Virginia.

Moreover, the class ideology of Jacksonism tended to be averse to slavery. Calhounism favored a slave-owning oligarchy that had little need for a flourishing class of white yeomen, except to fight for the oligarchs. The Western-oriented populist Jeffersonian-Jacksonian mindset was largely about small farmers and remained an important force outside of cotton country.

Cotton plantations worked by slaves were so profitable in the deep South that the six Cotton Belt states followed South Carolina, but further north, the Jefferson/Jackson social matrix was stronger. For example, the furthest north Confederate state, Virginia, suffered secession by its hillbilly northwest into the Union state of West Virginia (another reason why belated secession by Virginia seems like such an avoidable tragedy).

A climate map of the United States shows that the rain-watered cotton belt runs out in East Texas, while independent farmers can flourish further west the further north you go. Inevitably, a pro-Western policy like Jackson’s is going to be unenthusiastic about slavery.

Seems to me that, as is usual, the war was more about $ than slavery. Had the South been "allowed" to keep slaves I think the war would have happened anyway. The end of slavery was a good thing, but the war was fought over other issues. imo of course.

Greg

Slavery was $. it was the driving force of their agrarian economy. They had also spend 3/4 of a century having an advantage over the North that they kept well past the point of population divergence.
 
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He's so pathetic, he tells the Panama president, how we built the canal and took credit for it....and the Panama dude said, yeah, 100 fuckin years ago!!! What a fuckin moron, I'm so fuckin sick of this guy and his failure to learn shit. How in the fuck could this bitch be raised with all that wealth and not know a gotdamn thing about nothing but how to talk shit and con mf's?
 
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Much to do about nothing but the lib MSM blows it up, and stupid Americans eat it up. How these Americans can get duped over and over again and still not understand, is worthy of psychoanalysis.

Gip, you guys are always wanting to down play shit and dismiss it and that's all fine and dandy, but stop with this eat it up shit.....keep in mind the last 8 years of the Obama administration with much ado about nothing shit.....the man wore a blue suit, all hell broke loose, he saluted with a cup of coffee in his hands, all hell broke loose, he fist bumped his wife, all hell broke loose, not to mention the birther shit that still goes on today......the American stupid was alive an kickin back then too. But I can assure you, sir the shit people are talking about today, blowing up today.....A MUCH NEEDED EVENT!!!
 
What an ignoramus -


Much to do about nothing but the lib MSM blows it up, and stupid Americans eat it up. How these Americans can get duped over and over again and still not understand, is worthy of psychoanalysis.

Gip, you guys are always wanting to down play shit and dismiss it and that's all fine and dandy, but stop with this eat it up shit.....keep in mind the last 8 years of the Obama administration with much ado about nothing shit.....the man wore a blue suit, all hell broke loose, he saluted with a cup of coffee in his hands, all hell broke loose, he fist bumped his wife, all hell broke loose, not to mention the birther shit that still goes on today......the American stupid was alive an kickin back then too. But I can assure you, sir the shit people are talking about today, blowing up today.....A MUCH NEEDED EVENT!!!

Claim down and stop watching MSLSD.

Everything will be fine.
 
What an ignoramus -





lol.......nobody cares......like somebody saying, "OMG.......Jennifer Lawrence has a pimple on her butt!"

Its the old form vs function thing.......to progressives, form is far more important than function ( thus why they never care about "results" as long as the intentions are good :spinner: ). Trump is all about function. WINNING.:popcorn:

The progressives still don't get it now how many months later?:up:


Ignoramus was
What an ignoramus -





lol.......nobody cares......like somebody saying, "OMG.......Jennifer Lawrence has a pimple on her butt!"

Its the old form vs function thing.......to progressives, form is far more important than function ( thus why they never care about "results" as long as the intentions are good :spinner: ). Trump is all about function. WINNING.:popcorn:

The progressives still don't get it now how many months later?:up:


I think but not sure ignoramus is a fake word created by Lewis Carroll. Synonym: nincompoop.

Webster accepts it. How do you imagine language came about?
 

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