Trumps deportation plan would cost $100-$200 BILLION

[whitehall]

How does ICE plan to spend $12,500 on each deported person? Maybe a 1st class seat on a private jet and a limo ride across the border with some spending money courtesy of the U.S. taxpayers and a promise not to come back? Maybe ICE is counting the salaries of everyone involved in the process. It's a clever accounting trick but these people are paid anyway and it's better to do something freaking constructive than sit around and watch the criminals invade the Country.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

ICE Fiscal Year FY 2012 Enacted Budget ICE

Riddle me this.................They used the yearly budget of 5 Billion, which is actually 5.82 Billion a year. Divided by the number of deprotations....................and gave you the cost......................Does that equal the cost if more or less are deported........................

Show me how in detail the actual costs of deportation please.............We could pack and ship a lot cheaper than that.

It is in the article posted. The $5 billion dollar budget managed to deport $330,000 in one year. Do the math.

Whatever.............I looked at those articles as well. They are counting the salaries and budgets of ICE PERIOD..................Operating Budget.............which fluctuates a little each year...........If none got deported next year they'd still have a similar budget...................which means that OH NO...........IT COSTS EVEN MORE.

Let's say we deport double the number...........for the same budget................Holy shit man it's half price deportation man................

Get a clue..................It's manipulation by the Gov't. What they have become good at.

As the article states, ICE has the capacity to deport 400,000 annually. it is presently deporting 330,000 annually. Beyond the 400,000 number, they would have to build all new facilities and transportation, as well as expand human resources, detention facilities, courts, judges, attornies, while paying for food, medicine, and even clothing. Only a fool thinks that limited resources are capable of handling almost unlimited aliens.

Never said we wouldn't have to build more facilities and hire more people. I just quoted how they figured the amount per deportation................and that the 200 Billion is BS................You could double the agents to 40,000 as it has 20,000 now and that would only cost about 2 Billion per their site..........The facilities would cost a bit more to build, but the operating budget now is 5.8 BILLION a year.

Finally, they wouldn't be deporting 11 million at one time anyway.............Now would they..............

The dollar amount is BS...............and since they use our Social Safety net services we would still be saving a ton of money.

Do it legal to come here or not at all............

Finally, even Trump has said that we have to secure the border first and then deal with the illegals here after..............as has most of the nominees.............But he has stated that he WOULD ENFORCE THE ICE LAWS.....................

Doesn't mean our country will go door to door kicking them in asking for papers now does it.

Right. You, who have no fucking clue how to run a governmental agency, are in a better position than the head of ICE to tell us what these operations will cost. Can you even balance your own checkbook? And, they do not use our social safety net since illegal immigrants are not eligible for those services.

And, they do not use our social safety net since illegal immigrants are not eligible for those services.

When they have US citizen children, they become eligible.
And even if they don't, we let the illegal kids go to school, $11-$12,000 a pop here in Illinois, not to mention the medical bills at our ERs and the prison costs for the hundreds of thousands of illegals in jail.

 

[Jackson]

Research is your friend.

Let us know when your research finds proof that illegals are eligible for public assistance.

Look at post #149.

There is no post 149.

bedowin: post 149:
a whole household of illegals can receive welfare benefits on behalf of just their American-born children



Surprise, surprise; Census Bureau data reveals that most U.S. families headed by illegal immigrants use taxpayer-funded welfare programs on behalf of their American-born anchor babies.Even before the recession, immigrant households with children used welfare programs at consistently higher rates than natives, according to the extensive census data collected and analyzed by a nonpartisanWashington D.C. group dedicated to researching legal and illegal immigration in the U.S. The results, published this month in a lengthy report, are hardly surprising.Basically, the majority of households across the country benefitting from publicly-funded welfare programs are headed by immigrants, both legal and illegal. States where immigrant households with children have the highest welfare use rates are Arizona (62%), Texas, California and New York with 61% each and Pennsylvania(59%).The study focused on eight major welfare programs that cost the government $517 billion the year they were examined. They include Supplemental Security Income (SSI) for the disabled, Temporary Assistance to Needy Families (TANF), a nutritional program known as Women, Infants and Children (WIC), food stamps, free/reduced school lunch, public housing and health insurance for the poor (Medicaid).Food assistance and Medicaid are the programs most commonly used by illegal immigrants, mainly on behalf of their American-born children who get automatic citizenship. On the other hand, legal immigrant households take advantage of every available welfare program, according to the study, which attributes it to low education level and resulting lowincome.The highest rate of welfare recipients come from the Dominican Republic (82 %), Mexico and Guatemala (75%) and Ecuador (70%), according to the report, which says welfare use tends to be high for both new arrivals and established residents.


Thank you Bedowin., (There is NO post #149????)

Maybe he is one the idiots I have on ignore. American born children are citizens. You cannot claim that benefits going to citizens are benefits going to illegal aliens.

I think it's funny that you think bedowin is the idiot. You thought that thee message board just conveniently missed his post?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Trump seems to think that all you have to do is to pick Juan up off the street and drive him to Nuevo Laredo. He seems to have forgotten details, like the constitutionally required trial, and conviction, first (for which we would most likely have to pay Juan's attorney).

the constitutionally required trial, and conviction, first

Where does it say we need to have a trial and conviction to deport an illegal?

5th and 14th Amendments.

Thanks.
Neither of those says a deportation hearing is a trial.
Try again?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Trump seems to think that all you have to do is to pick Juan up off the street and drive him to Nuevo Laredo. He seems to have forgotten details, like the constitutionally required trial, and conviction, first (for which we would most likely have to pay Juan's attorney).

the constitutionally required trial, and conviction, first

Where does it say we need to have a trial and conviction to deport an illegal?

You have to be joking, Todd. How the hell do you determine if someone is an illegal without a trial? Even your average tea party guy can understand that....

The government can deport certain undocumented immigrants and non-permanent residents without a hearing, particularly if they've committed an offense that's been classified as an "aggravated felony." But those with cases taken up by the immigration courts are waiting longer and longer to have them resolved.


Many immigrants facing deportation must wait 550 days for their day in court - The Washington Post

 

[Luddly Neddite]

My new bumper sticker will say, Deport Trump...

To what planet?

 

[Luddly Neddite]

The freaking ICE deputy director thinks it costs $12,500 to deport a single illegal alien? Maybe he is mixed up on the cost of keeping the criminal in the U.S. on the dole for a year. No wonder we are going broke. You could take a 1st class vacation to Hawaii for 12 grand.

The solution is AmTrak. Load 'em up, cross the border at Juarez and drop them about half way to Mexico City.
Soon enough, the ones not rounded up will leave on their own.

EXACTLY how would you do that?

Be specific.

Thanks.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Give Mexico a huge disincentive to keep exporting their people to El Norte.

Sweeeeeeeet

 

[CrusaderFrank]

We might to deport our Progressives also

 

[paddymurphy]

It is in the article posted. The $5 billion dollar budget managed to deport $330,000 in one year. Do the math.

Whatever.............I looked at those articles as well. They are counting the salaries and budgets of ICE PERIOD..................Operating Budget.............which fluctuates a little each year...........If none got deported next year they'd still have a similar budget...................which means that OH NO...........IT COSTS EVEN MORE.

Let's say we deport double the number...........for the same budget................Holy shit man it's half price deportation man................

Get a clue..................It's manipulation by the Gov't. What they have become good at.

As the article states, ICE has the capacity to deport 400,000 annually. it is presently deporting 330,000 annually. Beyond the 400,000 number, they would have to build all new facilities and transportation, as well as expand human resources, detention facilities, courts, judges, attornies, while paying for food, medicine, and even clothing. Only a fool thinks that limited resources are capable of handling almost unlimited aliens.

Never said we wouldn't have to build more facilities and hire more people. I just quoted how they figured the amount per deportation................and that the 200 Billion is BS................You could double the agents to 40,000 as it has 20,000 now and that would only cost about 2 Billion per their site..........The facilities would cost a bit more to build, but the operating budget now is 5.8 BILLION a year.

Finally, they wouldn't be deporting 11 million at one time anyway.............Now would they..............

The dollar amount is BS...............and since they use our Social Safety net services we would still be saving a ton of money.

Do it legal to come here or not at all............

Finally, even Trump has said that we have to secure the border first and then deal with the illegals here after..............as has most of the nominees.............But he has stated that he WOULD ENFORCE THE ICE LAWS.....................

Doesn't mean our country will go door to door kicking them in asking for papers now does it.

Right. You, who have no fucking clue how to run a governmental agency, are in a better position than the head of ICE to tell us what these operations will cost. Can you even balance your own checkbook? And, they do not use our social safety net since illegal immigrants are not eligible for those services.

And, they do not use our social safety net since illegal immigrants are not eligible for those services.

When they have US citizen children, they become eligible.
And even if they don't, we let the illegal kids go to school, $11-$12,000 a pop here in Illinois, not to mention the medical bills at our ERs and the prison costs for the hundreds of thousands of illegals in jail.

No. They don't become eligible. Their American citizen children are.

 

[paddymurphy]

Let us know when your research finds proof that illegals are eligible for public assistance.

Look at post #149.

There is no post 149.

bedowin: post 149:
a whole household of illegals can receive welfare benefits on behalf of just their American-born children



Surprise, surprise; Census Bureau data reveals that most U.S. families headed by illegal immigrants use taxpayer-funded welfare programs on behalf of their American-born anchor babies.Even before the recession, immigrant households with children used welfare programs at consistently higher rates than natives, according to the extensive census data collected and analyzed by a nonpartisanWashington D.C. group dedicated to researching legal and illegal immigration in the U.S. The results, published this month in a lengthy report, are hardly surprising.Basically, the majority of households across the country benefitting from publicly-funded welfare programs are headed by immigrants, both legal and illegal. States where immigrant households with children have the highest welfare use rates are Arizona (62%), Texas, California and New York with 61% each and Pennsylvania(59%).The study focused on eight major welfare programs that cost the government $517 billion the year they were examined. They include Supplemental Security Income (SSI) for the disabled, Temporary Assistance to Needy Families (TANF), a nutritional program known as Women, Infants and Children (WIC), food stamps, free/reduced school lunch, public housing and health insurance for the poor (Medicaid).Food assistance and Medicaid are the programs most commonly used by illegal immigrants, mainly on behalf of their American-born children who get automatic citizenship. On the other hand, legal immigrant households take advantage of every available welfare program, according to the study, which attributes it to low education level and resulting lowincome.The highest rate of welfare recipients come from the Dominican Republic (82 %), Mexico and Guatemala (75%) and Ecuador (70%), according to the report, which says welfare use tends to be high for both new arrivals and established residents.


Thank you Bedowin., (There is NO post #149????)

Maybe he is one the idiots I have on ignore. American born children are citizens. You cannot claim that benefits going to citizens are benefits going to illegal aliens.

I think it's funny that you think bedowin is the idiot. You thought that thee message board just conveniently missed his post?

What part of I cannot see that clown's posts are you too dense to understand?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

How about this, for every hardworking, tax paying, Christian Mexican we keep, we send a USMB Progressive to Mexico

 

[paddymurphy]

How about this, for every hardworking, tax paying, Christian Mexican we keep, we send a USMB Progressive to Mexico

How bout send your ignorant ass out of the nation?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

How about this, for every hardworking, tax paying, Christian Mexican we keep, we send a USMB Progressive to Mexico

How bout send your ignorant ass out of the nation?

Keep a Conservative Mexican, deport a flaming Progressive; its a win-win

 

[Vandalshandle]

Trump seems to think that all you have to do is to pick Juan up off the street and drive him to Nuevo Laredo. He seems to have forgotten details, like the constitutionally required trial, and conviction, first (for which we would most likely have to pay Juan's attorney).

That's ok, we can confiscate everything Juan has to help pay the bill. Fruits of an ongoing criminal enterprise don'cha know.

Confiscation of Juan's assets for a misdemeanor? Then let's do the same thing for people who roll a stop sign.

 

[Clementine]

The freaking ICE deputy director thinks it costs $12,500 to deport a single illegal alien? Maybe he is mixed up on the cost of keeping the criminal in the U.S. on the dole for a year. No wonder we are going broke. You could take a 1st class vacation to Hawaii for 12 grand.

Most would self-deport if we made a few changes. And they would quit coming if there was no pot of gold at the end of the border rainbow.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Progressives should work for mexicans

 

[Vandalshandle]

Trump seems to think that all you have to do is to pick Juan up off the street and drive him to Nuevo Laredo. He seems to have forgotten details, like the constitutionally required trial, and conviction, first (for which we would most likely have to pay Juan's attorney).

the constitutionally required trial, and conviction, first

Where does it say we need to have a trial and conviction to deport an illegal?

You have to be joking, Todd. How the hell do you determine if someone is an illegal without a trial? Even your average tea party guy can understand that....

The government can deport certain undocumented immigrants and non-permanent residents without a hearing, particularly if they've committed an offense that's been classified as an "aggravated felony." But those with cases taken up by the immigration courts are waiting longer and longer to have them resolved.


Many immigrants facing deportation must wait 550 days for their day in court - The Washington Post

Crossing the border the first time is a misdemeanor. Do not give up your other job to become an attorney.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Trump seems to think that all you have to do is to pick Juan up off the street and drive him to Nuevo Laredo. He seems to have forgotten details, like the constitutionally required trial, and conviction, first (for which we would most likely have to pay Juan's attorney).

That's ok, we can confiscate everything Juan has to help pay the bill. Fruits of an ongoing criminal enterprise don'cha know.

So not only have you gotten rid of Miranda, you've gotten rid of property laws.

Are you sure supporting Donald Trump is worth all of that?

Sorry, I've been advocating convicting illegals under RICO for many years, they violate the law every day they remain here and every day the work without authorization, that is an ongoing criminal enterprise. The fruits of that enterprise are subject to confiscation under US law.

So, let me make sure I understand this. Maria has been working as a nanny for 5 years for Mr. and Ms. Smith. The INS finds out she is illegal. So they apprehend this criminal, detain her, sieze 100% of what she owns, and then deports her. RIght?
With the "fruits" of Maria's possessions, does the government sell them on EBAY or what?

She gets to retain all the "fruits" of her labor all criminals get to retain. Fucking none.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Progressives should work for mexicans

They are.