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Trump's Present and Future possible indictments
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The OP falls for the misinformation from Pence's people. The Deep State only likes Pence because of what he did on January 6.
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And that, ladies and gentleman, is the level of quality Trump's lawyers ( the ones who have not run away) have been displaying in his defense.The OP falls for the misinformation from Pence's people. The Deep State only likes Pence because of what he did on January 6.
Do not talk about the facts, the documents, the obstruction, etc.
It is about Pence, Biden and Hilary .
Repeat it a Thousand times. Will a Jury buy it?
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The spectacle, the lies, the whining – all predictable, and in some ways, meaningless. What matters is that, in a democracy, laws matter and they should apply to everyone.
And of course, it ought to be noted that, in practice, the rule of law doesn’tapply equally to everyone, as civil rights lawyer Alec Karakatsanis observed in an astringent Yale Law Journal piece a few years ago. He wrote about the US’s brutal “punishment bureaucracy” that unfairly disadvantages poor people and people of color – throwing them in prison for minor offenses, and making a mockery of the idealistic idea that our criminal justice system is objective.
Through that realistic lens, Trump is at a huge advantage in the justice system. With his array of lawyers, his deep pockets, his cult following, the federal judges he appointed, his ability to sway public opinion and his immense political power, he is light years from being a singled-out victim.
So yes, it’s heartening to see some modicum of the rule of law holding sway in Trump’s latest arrest. It’s encouraging to see the myriad ways that the legal system is beginning to catch up to him in New York, in Georgia and in Washington.
But justice for the lawless Trump has been far too long in coming. And who knows whether he really will be held responsible in the long run, or whether he’ll find a way, as usual, to escape accountability.
There’s really nothing for this former president and forever conman to cry about – except his own endless misdeeds, should he ever decide to cop to them.
(full article online)
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And of course, it ought to be noted that, in practice, the rule of law doesn’tapply equally to everyone, as civil rights lawyer Alec Karakatsanis observed in an astringent Yale Law Journal piece a few years ago. He wrote about the US’s brutal “punishment bureaucracy” that unfairly disadvantages poor people and people of color – throwing them in prison for minor offenses, and making a mockery of the idealistic idea that our criminal justice system is objective.
Through that realistic lens, Trump is at a huge advantage in the justice system. With his array of lawyers, his deep pockets, his cult following, the federal judges he appointed, his ability to sway public opinion and his immense political power, he is light years from being a singled-out victim.
So yes, it’s heartening to see some modicum of the rule of law holding sway in Trump’s latest arrest. It’s encouraging to see the myriad ways that the legal system is beginning to catch up to him in New York, in Georgia and in Washington.
But justice for the lawless Trump has been far too long in coming. And who knows whether he really will be held responsible in the long run, or whether he’ll find a way, as usual, to escape accountability.
There’s really nothing for this former president and forever conman to cry about – except his own endless misdeeds, should he ever decide to cop to them.
(full article online)
Donald Trumpâs arrest is ugly but itâs also democracy in action | Margaret Sullivan
Justice for the lawless Trump has been far too long in coming. But who knows whether he really will be held responsible in the long run
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Trump publicly ADMITS to his own crimes in stunning move
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Whataboutism is a strategy used by authoritarian leaders to excuse their own misconduct. According to Russian analyst and writer Vadim Nikitin, whataboutism is an essential piece of Kremlin tradecraft. The goal of this tactic is not to convince the public that the leader is innocent, but to portray all politicians are dishonest. Anyone claiming to value integrity is scoffed at as duplicitous or naïve. As former White House Deputy National Security Adviser Ben Rhodes writes in his book, After the Fall, Vladimir Putin came to power not by convincing people that he was honest. “He simply needed to convince people that everyone was corrupt.” And if all governments are corrupt, Rhodes writes, then “Russians might as well have a strong, competent leader who shares their grievances and sense of national greatness.” Echoes of MAGA.
In court, prosecutors will certainly file a motion to preclude the defense from making any references to Biden from the case against Trump. But in the court of public opinion, beware of the cynical tactic to minimize Trump’s grave threat to our national security.
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In court, prosecutors will certainly file a motion to preclude the defense from making any references to Biden from the case against Trump. But in the court of public opinion, beware of the cynical tactic to minimize Trump’s grave threat to our national security.
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The Dangerous Whataboutism in the Trump Classified Docs Case
The indictment of Donald Trump on charges of retaining government documents brought with it the inevitable false equivalencies of the
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The persecution continues.But justice for the lawless Trump has been far too long in coming. And who knows whether he really will be held responsible in the long run, or whether he’ll find a way, as usual, to escape accountability.
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THREAD: 1 of 6. Trump’s comparison of his case with Bill Clinton’s sock drawer is not only incorrect, it is nonsensical. Here’s why. The Presidential Records Act says presidential records belong to the government, not the individual who served as president. …
2. Presidential records in general are those made by or for the president for use in official business. The statute contains detailed definitions of what is and is not a presidential record. …
3. Bill Clinton’s recordings were from his own interviews, qualifying as diaries, which the Presidential Records Act says are not presidential records. No law precluded Clinton from keeping them. …
4. Trump is charged not with violating the Presidential Records Act, but instead with violating the Espionage Act. The records Trump is alleged to have illegally retained are agency records, such as records of the CIA, NSA, and Department of Defense, not presidential records. …
5. Moreover, these records are covered by the Espionage Act because of their content—information about the national defense, which could be used to the injury of the United States or advantage of a foreign nation—US nuclear program, military capabilities of US & allies, etc.
6. And Trump is being charged not only because he kept them, but because he obstructed the investigation and lied about what he still retained. This is evidence of consciousness of guilt. If he really believed he could keep them, he would not have needed to lie about it. END.
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[I definitely what ALL Presidents, when leaving the White House to take with them, and keep, the following:]The persecution continues.
The records Trump is alleged to have illegally retained are agency records, such as records of the CIA, NSA, and Department of Defense, not presidential records. …
Barb McQuade
[Then I will absolutely know that the country will be safe from anyone else looking at them and taking them. Because there are absolutely no countries interested in seeing and taking those documents]
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Hillary Clinton got away with BLEACH BIT HAMMER TIME of SUBPOENAED MATERIALS!!!!!!!
But, you're more interested in WEAPONIZED JUSTICE to "get" Trump.
I think it is PATHETIC that you are allowed to have this personal blog of a thread!!!!
But, you're more interested in WEAPONIZED JUSTICE to "get" Trump.
I think it is PATHETIC that you are allowed to have this personal blog of a thread!!!!
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[ Will she showing this defense in front of the Court and the Jury? ]
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HER LAWYERS after checking everything .....are the ONES who destroyed the device, as PER LAW.Hillary Clinton got away with BLEACH BIT HAMMER TIME of SUBPOENAED MATERIALS!!!!!!!
But, you're more interested in WEAPONIZED JUSTICE to "get" Trump.
I think it is PATHETIC that you are allowed to have this personal blog of a thread!!!!
She was investigated TO DEATH and then EXONERATED.
Listen to Bill Barr on Trump's actions.
Learn the laws of the country. You will make your life much easier that way.
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Are you going to say that Bill Barr does not know what he is talking about?Hillary Clinton got away with BLEACH BIT HAMMER TIME of SUBPOENAED MATERIALS!!!!!!!
But, you're more interested in WEAPONIZED JUSTICE to "get" Trump.
I think it is PATHETIC that you are allowed to have this personal blog of a thread!!!!
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[ Who listens to a non lawyer over their own lawyers? ]
Several of Donald Trump’s lawyers tried to get him to avoid prosecution by returning classified documents to the government, The Washington Post reports. It probably would have worked—but Trump was defiant, insisting he could keep the documents and hiding them from his own lawyers, who he was paying to give him legal advice. (While Trump is known for refusing to pay legal bills, at least one of his lawyers, Christopher Kise, got $3 million up front to represent him.) Instead, Trump did what he always does: He listened to the people telling him what he wanted to hear. One of those people was Tom Fitton, the head of the far-right group Judicial Watch and a figure who deserves a little more notoriety.
Fitton was insistent to Trump and to his lawyers that Trump had the right to keep the documents. This was terrible advice, but Trump liked it. Here’s the thing: Fitton, whose legal advice Trump is taking over that of his lawyers, is not a lawyer. He is, in the words of Liz Dye at Above the Law, a “weirdo pitchman in a muscle T-shirt who runs a shop dedicated to filing stunt lawsuits against Democratic politicians.”
That does not stop Fitton from cosplaying as a legal expert.
”I think what is lacking is the lawyers saying, ‘I took this to be obstruction,’” Fitton told the Post. “Where is the conspiracy? I don’t understand any of it. I think this is a trap. They had no business asking for the records … and they’ve manufactured an obstruction charge out of that. There are core constitutional issues that the indictment avoids, and the obstruction charge seems weak to me.”
This is all very clearly laid out in the indictment. It spends pages upon pages detailing obstruction efforts, including a conspiracy to obstruct. Boxes being moved from one room at Mar-a-Lago to another, loaded onto a plane to Bedminster, brought to Trump so that he could pick and choose what he wanted to keep, concealed from his own attorneys. Where is the conspiracy? It’s on the pages of the indictment.
But if this is the kind of fraudulent “I talk lawyer” quote Fitton is giving the Post, we can only try to imagine what he’s been saying to Trump.
Fitton is also one of the key sources of the “Clinton sock drawer” arguments that Trump allies keep making—including in The Wall Street Journal—which completely misrepresent the basic facts of and judgment in the 2012 case Judicial Watch v. NARA. Judicial Watch lost that case, which attempted to force the National Archives and Records Administration to demand that former President Bill Clinton turn over years-old recordings of interviews he did with historian Taylor Branch. NARA agreed with Clinton that those recordings qualified as personal, not presidential records, and a judge threw the case out. It’s a wee bit different from Trump taking classified documents from multiple agencies, but Fitton and Judicial Watch are trying to sell the argument that their loss in that case means the government can never demand the return of actual government records from a former president.
It’s absurd, but it’s the kind of shoddy claim Fitton has built his career on, and it’s quite a career: Judicial Watch’s revenue goes up year after year, with the organization taking in more than $100 million in 2020.
Fitton has also been a regular source of disinformation to Trump in recent years. In 2019, Trump retweeted Fitton’s claim: “Thousands of Aliens Illegally Voting.” At other times Fitton said it was “at least 900,000” fraudulent votes in 2018. In 2020, Fitton also insisted that eight Iowa counties had more registered voters than people eligible to vote. This was completely false, as Iowa Secretary of State Paul Pate, a Republican, swiftly proved.
In 2017, Fitton said, on Fox News, “Forget about shutting down Mr. Mueller. Do we need to shut down the FBI because it was turned into a KGB-type operation by the Obama administration?” In 2018, he went on Fox Business and suggested Trump should pardon everyone implicated by the Mueller investigation. At that point, Trump and Fitton had barely met in person, but Trump liked what he heard in Fitton’s media appearances so much that five years later, Fitton was dining with Trump on the eve of his federal arraignment.
Trump wants to be surrounded by people who tell him what he wants to hear—so much so that Fitton became one of his top informal advisers on the basis of having carried his water in regular Fox News appearances. That reliance on suck-ups and yes-men rather than lawyers who tell him what will limit his legal exposure was a factor in the 37 federal criminal charges Trump now faces.
Several of Donald Trump’s lawyers tried to get him to avoid prosecution by returning classified documents to the government, The Washington Post reports. It probably would have worked—but Trump was defiant, insisting he could keep the documents and hiding them from his own lawyers, who he was paying to give him legal advice. (While Trump is known for refusing to pay legal bills, at least one of his lawyers, Christopher Kise, got $3 million up front to represent him.) Instead, Trump did what he always does: He listened to the people telling him what he wanted to hear. One of those people was Tom Fitton, the head of the far-right group Judicial Watch and a figure who deserves a little more notoriety.
Fitton was insistent to Trump and to his lawyers that Trump had the right to keep the documents. This was terrible advice, but Trump liked it. Here’s the thing: Fitton, whose legal advice Trump is taking over that of his lawyers, is not a lawyer. He is, in the words of Liz Dye at Above the Law, a “weirdo pitchman in a muscle T-shirt who runs a shop dedicated to filing stunt lawsuits against Democratic politicians.”
That does not stop Fitton from cosplaying as a legal expert.
”I think what is lacking is the lawyers saying, ‘I took this to be obstruction,’” Fitton told the Post. “Where is the conspiracy? I don’t understand any of it. I think this is a trap. They had no business asking for the records … and they’ve manufactured an obstruction charge out of that. There are core constitutional issues that the indictment avoids, and the obstruction charge seems weak to me.”
This is all very clearly laid out in the indictment. It spends pages upon pages detailing obstruction efforts, including a conspiracy to obstruct. Boxes being moved from one room at Mar-a-Lago to another, loaded onto a plane to Bedminster, brought to Trump so that he could pick and choose what he wanted to keep, concealed from his own attorneys. Where is the conspiracy? It’s on the pages of the indictment.
But if this is the kind of fraudulent “I talk lawyer” quote Fitton is giving the Post, we can only try to imagine what he’s been saying to Trump.
Fitton is also one of the key sources of the “Clinton sock drawer” arguments that Trump allies keep making—including in The Wall Street Journal—which completely misrepresent the basic facts of and judgment in the 2012 case Judicial Watch v. NARA. Judicial Watch lost that case, which attempted to force the National Archives and Records Administration to demand that former President Bill Clinton turn over years-old recordings of interviews he did with historian Taylor Branch. NARA agreed with Clinton that those recordings qualified as personal, not presidential records, and a judge threw the case out. It’s a wee bit different from Trump taking classified documents from multiple agencies, but Fitton and Judicial Watch are trying to sell the argument that their loss in that case means the government can never demand the return of actual government records from a former president.
It’s absurd, but it’s the kind of shoddy claim Fitton has built his career on, and it’s quite a career: Judicial Watch’s revenue goes up year after year, with the organization taking in more than $100 million in 2020.
Fitton has also been a regular source of disinformation to Trump in recent years. In 2019, Trump retweeted Fitton’s claim: “Thousands of Aliens Illegally Voting.” At other times Fitton said it was “at least 900,000” fraudulent votes in 2018. In 2020, Fitton also insisted that eight Iowa counties had more registered voters than people eligible to vote. This was completely false, as Iowa Secretary of State Paul Pate, a Republican, swiftly proved.
In 2017, Fitton said, on Fox News, “Forget about shutting down Mr. Mueller. Do we need to shut down the FBI because it was turned into a KGB-type operation by the Obama administration?” In 2018, he went on Fox Business and suggested Trump should pardon everyone implicated by the Mueller investigation. At that point, Trump and Fitton had barely met in person, but Trump liked what he heard in Fitton’s media appearances so much that five years later, Fitton was dining with Trump on the eve of his federal arraignment.
Trump wants to be surrounded by people who tell him what he wants to hear—so much so that Fitton became one of his top informal advisers on the basis of having carried his water in regular Fox News appearances. That reliance on suck-ups and yes-men rather than lawyers who tell him what will limit his legal exposure was a factor in the 37 federal criminal charges Trump now faces.
Trump ignored his lawyers and listened to this guy
Several of Donald Trump’s lawyers tried to get him to avoid prosecution by returning classified documents to the government, The Washington Post reports. It probably would have worked—but Trump was defiant, insisting he could keep the documents and...
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A timeline of events leading to Donald Trump's indictment in the classified documents case
The � 49-page federal indictment � of former President Donald Trump lays out a stunning timeline of events, detailing allegations that he not only mishandled sensitive material, but also � took ...
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