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Trump's Present and Future possible indictments
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David Shafer, a former chairman of Georgia's Republican Party and one of the 19 people charged in the Georgia 2020 election interference case, claimed in a Monday court filing that he and the other Republican electors who attempted to falsely certify a victory for Donald Trump were acting at the direction of the former president.
As defendants in the far-reaching indictment begin to surrender to authorities ahead of the Friday deadline, "Shafer's position signals that some may be poised to turn on the former president," Axios reports.
"Mr. Shafer and the other Republican Electors in the 2020 election acted at the direction of the incumbent President and other federal officials," lawyers for the former GOP chairman wrote in the filing.
"Attorneys for the President and Mr. Shafer specifically instructed Mr. Shafer, verbally and in writing, that the Republican electors' meeting and casting their ballots on December 14, 2020 was consistent with counsels' advice and was necessary to preserve the presidential election contest," they added.
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As defendants in the far-reaching indictment begin to surrender to authorities ahead of the Friday deadline, "Shafer's position signals that some may be poised to turn on the former president," Axios reports.
"Mr. Shafer and the other Republican Electors in the 2020 election acted at the direction of the incumbent President and other federal officials," lawyers for the former GOP chairman wrote in the filing.
"Attorneys for the President and Mr. Shafer specifically instructed Mr. Shafer, verbally and in writing, that the Republican electors' meeting and casting their ballots on December 14, 2020 was consistent with counsels' advice and was necessary to preserve the presidential election contest," they added.
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Indicted ex-GOP chair "explicitly" throws Trump under the bus in doc
David Shafer, who added his mugshot to his Twitter bio, says Trump directed fake elector scheme.
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If you happened to search the records for inmates housed in the Fulton County, Georgia, jail this evening, you would have found this. Briefly.
No designation as “President Trump,” the way his new lawyer, Atlanta criminal defense lawyer Steve Sadow, referred to him in a motion today. Instead, he has a booking number like any other common criminal. He did get away with self-reporting his weight, which he pegged at 215. Leave your comments about that:
Over his first three indictments, Trump’s well-orchestrated public appearances looked more like a royal progress than bookings in criminal cases, complete with deferential Secret Service agents opening doors and calling him sir. But not any longer. A mug shot. Fingerprints. An appearance in a county jail that is under federal investigation over its despicable conditions.
Here’s the first real indication, not just for us, but for Trump, too, that he is a mere mortal. He’s no longer in control. His status is now captured forever in a mug shot—something Jack Smith deferred to Trump on and didn’t make him submit to.
And while Trump undoubtedly practiced this pose for days in advance of being booked, it’s the last act of a man who no longer controls what is about to happen to him. He can make requests, but he will not control the schedule. He will have to abide by the conditions that four judges have now set for him to remain free on bond pending trial.
What remains to be seen is whether all of this will have enough impact on Republican voters to prevent Trump from returning to office in 2024. Even as late as January 6, a showing of moral courage from Republican leaders, telling their party’s members that the elections had been conducted fairly and Trump had lost, could have made inroads. Instead, they joined Trump in doing a grotesque disservice to the country by remaining silent in some cases or picking up his mantle in others, and continuing to perpetuate the Big Lie. The question now is whether the evidence in the case against him in Georgia—much of it which will come out of the mouths of Republican witnesses like the secretary of state whom Trump tried to threaten into throwing the election for him—will prove to be persuasive with people who have been lied to, and who accepted the lie, for so long.
When we get to arraignments or other early proceedings in Georgia, so long as the case remains in the state system, there will be cameras in the courtroom to capture and broadcast the proceedings. Trump’s trial, and any of his co-defendants’ trials, will be on full display. The public will be able to watch and assess the proceedings and witnesses for themselves.
Is Willis ready to go to trial? It sure looks that way. All the time people were complaining about her delay, following the "imminent" comment, Willis was apparently preparing for trial while she was readying her indictment.
We know this because on Thursday, one of Trump’s co-defendants, Kenneth Chesebro, thought he was calling a bluff by Willis when he demanded a speedy trial. The rules in Georgia entitle a defendant who makes this kind of demand to a speedy trial to receive one during the next term of court following the one that is currently in session. For Chesebro that means a trial no later than November 3, 2023. A failure to commence Chesebro’s trial by that date would mean he could have the charges against him dismissed, so it’s not surprising that Judge Scott McAfee set the date for October 23, 2023, to give a few extra days as a safe harbor. It was Willis’s suggestion to move the date up, though. She seemed unsurprised by the request and appears ready to proceed.
Lots of legal issue are swirling around the proceedings, including the outraged protests by co-defendants Mark Meadows and Jeff Clark that they could not be arrested by a state prosecutor—both of which were denied. Meadows reported today, and Clark says he is in Georgia and will turn himself in tomorrow. Still to be decided are their notices of removal, an effort to transfer the proceedings to federal court. Meadows will get a hearing on his this coming Monday. Clark’s has been scheduled for September 18. Two of the Georgia electors have also tried their hand at removal, claiming, in essence, that they were only following Trump’s orders.
We’ll know more about the prospects for removal after we can gauge Federal Judge Steve Jones’s position in the Monday hearing. It’s possible he could see some of the cases as being more meritorious than others. Despite the low bar when a federal official seeks removal, it’s not NO bar. And that’s essentially what the defendants will be forced to argue, suggesting that the court can’t make any effort to determine the truth of their claim that they were performing work in their capacity as public officials (or acting at the direction of people who were) in the course of deciding whether they can remove. Fani Willis has subpoenaed Brad Raffensperger as a witness Monday. Mark Meadows set up Trump’s “perfect call” with him, and it seems unlikely that a president’s chief of staff has any official business trying to position a president to ask a state official to steal an election for him.
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No designation as “President Trump,” the way his new lawyer, Atlanta criminal defense lawyer Steve Sadow, referred to him in a motion today. Instead, he has a booking number like any other common criminal. He did get away with self-reporting his weight, which he pegged at 215. Leave your comments about that:
Over his first three indictments, Trump’s well-orchestrated public appearances looked more like a royal progress than bookings in criminal cases, complete with deferential Secret Service agents opening doors and calling him sir. But not any longer. A mug shot. Fingerprints. An appearance in a county jail that is under federal investigation over its despicable conditions.
Here’s the first real indication, not just for us, but for Trump, too, that he is a mere mortal. He’s no longer in control. His status is now captured forever in a mug shot—something Jack Smith deferred to Trump on and didn’t make him submit to.
And while Trump undoubtedly practiced this pose for days in advance of being booked, it’s the last act of a man who no longer controls what is about to happen to him. He can make requests, but he will not control the schedule. He will have to abide by the conditions that four judges have now set for him to remain free on bond pending trial.
What remains to be seen is whether all of this will have enough impact on Republican voters to prevent Trump from returning to office in 2024. Even as late as January 6, a showing of moral courage from Republican leaders, telling their party’s members that the elections had been conducted fairly and Trump had lost, could have made inroads. Instead, they joined Trump in doing a grotesque disservice to the country by remaining silent in some cases or picking up his mantle in others, and continuing to perpetuate the Big Lie. The question now is whether the evidence in the case against him in Georgia—much of it which will come out of the mouths of Republican witnesses like the secretary of state whom Trump tried to threaten into throwing the election for him—will prove to be persuasive with people who have been lied to, and who accepted the lie, for so long.
When we get to arraignments or other early proceedings in Georgia, so long as the case remains in the state system, there will be cameras in the courtroom to capture and broadcast the proceedings. Trump’s trial, and any of his co-defendants’ trials, will be on full display. The public will be able to watch and assess the proceedings and witnesses for themselves.
Is Willis ready to go to trial? It sure looks that way. All the time people were complaining about her delay, following the "imminent" comment, Willis was apparently preparing for trial while she was readying her indictment.
We know this because on Thursday, one of Trump’s co-defendants, Kenneth Chesebro, thought he was calling a bluff by Willis when he demanded a speedy trial. The rules in Georgia entitle a defendant who makes this kind of demand to a speedy trial to receive one during the next term of court following the one that is currently in session. For Chesebro that means a trial no later than November 3, 2023. A failure to commence Chesebro’s trial by that date would mean he could have the charges against him dismissed, so it’s not surprising that Judge Scott McAfee set the date for October 23, 2023, to give a few extra days as a safe harbor. It was Willis’s suggestion to move the date up, though. She seemed unsurprised by the request and appears ready to proceed.
Lots of legal issue are swirling around the proceedings, including the outraged protests by co-defendants Mark Meadows and Jeff Clark that they could not be arrested by a state prosecutor—both of which were denied. Meadows reported today, and Clark says he is in Georgia and will turn himself in tomorrow. Still to be decided are their notices of removal, an effort to transfer the proceedings to federal court. Meadows will get a hearing on his this coming Monday. Clark’s has been scheduled for September 18. Two of the Georgia electors have also tried their hand at removal, claiming, in essence, that they were only following Trump’s orders.
We’ll know more about the prospects for removal after we can gauge Federal Judge Steve Jones’s position in the Monday hearing. It’s possible he could see some of the cases as being more meritorious than others. Despite the low bar when a federal official seeks removal, it’s not NO bar. And that’s essentially what the defendants will be forced to argue, suggesting that the court can’t make any effort to determine the truth of their claim that they were performing work in their capacity as public officials (or acting at the direction of people who were) in the course of deciding whether they can remove. Fani Willis has subpoenaed Brad Raffensperger as a witness Monday. Mark Meadows set up Trump’s “perfect call” with him, and it seems unlikely that a president’s chief of staff has any official business trying to position a president to ask a state official to steal an election for him.
Trump Gets a Mug Shot
If you happened to search the records for inmates housed in the Fulton County, Georgia, jail this evening, you would have found this. Briefly. No designation as “President Trump,” the way his new lawyer, Atlanta criminal defense lawyer Steve Sadow, referred to him in a motion today. Instead, he...
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"Never Surrender"
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Donald Trump used his position in the White House, and the power that went along with it, to incite an insurrection, attempt to steal an American election, and do his best to destroy American democracy. As we saw this evening as we watched the absurd motorcades and play-by-play coverage, he continues to benefit from the position he once held, to our eternal shame, and benefit from having been allowed to wield that power.
If nothing else, I hope we can finally dispense with the nonsensical notion that everyone is treated equally under the law.
It is, however, important to note that, bookended by the over-the-top coverage and the grotesque display of privilege*, Donald was treated like any other criminal defendant: he surrendered, submitted, was in custody (in other words, until the process was complete, he couldn’t have left if he wanted). He had a mugshot taken (about which more in a minute). He got fingerprinted. And (presumably) like everybody else who has ever been arrested, he had the opportunity to lie about his height and weight.
As Joyce Vance said recently, when prosecutors before Fani Willis allowed Donald to avoid participating in the typical booking process, they handed him an opportunity to choreograph the spectacle in such a way that the only thing spectators saw was his power and privilege. He was in total control of conveying the sense that he was somehow special and above the law despite the fact that he was being indicted.
The Fulton County indictment has taken him down a few pegs. And, despite the fact that Donald has likely practiced his mugshot face in the mirror for the last two weeks, he missed the mark by several light years. He was going for tough; he was going for righteous indignation. What he gave us was barely controlled raged (that literally turned his eyes red) fueled by his inability to make any of this stop. Most crucially, his inability to keep himself from feeling the all-encompassing humiliation and abject terror that, despite his best efforts, keep seeping up from his unconscious.
We are a long way out from justice. And in the grand scheme of things, today was the smallest of victories. But it matters that Donald finally had to submit to the rule of law. And, for what it’s worth, this was the worst day he has ever lived through—and it’s all downhill for him from there.
*Seriously, who was paying for all of those motorcycles and SUVs; who was paying for the massive number of law enforcement necessary to shut down the entire route from the airport where his plane landed to the Fulton County jail and back again?
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Thursday evening, Donald Trump surrendered and was processed in his fourth set of criminal charges, and had his first-ever mugshot taken. As soon as that picture became public—Trump, head lowered, brow furrowed, glowering in front of the Fulton County Sheriff’s Office insignia—his campaign started fundraising off of it. “NEVER SURRENDER,” the $34 T-shirt reads below a copy of the mugshot.
Many have already rolled their eyes at the idea of running with “never surrender” to accompany visual evidence that you did, indeed, surrender to the authorities. (For the fourth time.) Trump’s team will doubtless argue that he didn’t really surrender, because he’ll fight in court until his options run out—and he hopes to use the 2024 election to get rid of all those pesky criminal charges. But … he literally surrendered himself to have that picture taken. He could have waited past the Friday deadline and been arrested. That would have been fundraising gold.
Trump’s glower in the mugshot is presumably an effort to pose for the T-shirt he knew his campaign would be marketing. He’s trying to look like a tough guy, and to his fans—the ones who believe that he has the height and weight of a professional athlete or an action movie star—it probably works. But to others, he looks scared, furtively hunched over. Or like a deranged movie villain. The idea of putting this picture on a shirt with a “never surrender” message is hilarious, but try not to point and laugh if you see one walking around in the wild. That person probably has a gun and a case of seething rage.
Let’s not forget that this wasn’t the first time Trump surrendered himself to face charges, it’s just the first time he was treated somewhat like a regular criminal defendant.
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Trump was again protected from anything making him look like an ordinary criminal defendant when he was arraigned on federal criminal charges relating to his attempts to overturn the 2020 election, but he did not want to be in federal court in Washington, D.C., that day. His presence there was a surrender.
However many T-shirts they print it on, the mugshot is just another confirmation that Donald Trump is a criminal defendant—in New York court, in federal court in two jurisdictions, and in Georgia court. And while he’s certainly not pleading guilty or making any kind of a deal, he does show up—and surrender—when he’s told.
(full article online)
Many have already rolled their eyes at the idea of running with “never surrender” to accompany visual evidence that you did, indeed, surrender to the authorities. (For the fourth time.) Trump’s team will doubtless argue that he didn’t really surrender, because he’ll fight in court until his options run out—and he hopes to use the 2024 election to get rid of all those pesky criminal charges. But … he literally surrendered himself to have that picture taken. He could have waited past the Friday deadline and been arrested. That would have been fundraising gold.
Trump’s glower in the mugshot is presumably an effort to pose for the T-shirt he knew his campaign would be marketing. He’s trying to look like a tough guy, and to his fans—the ones who believe that he has the height and weight of a professional athlete or an action movie star—it probably works. But to others, he looks scared, furtively hunched over. Or like a deranged movie villain. The idea of putting this picture on a shirt with a “never surrender” message is hilarious, but try not to point and laugh if you see one walking around in the wild. That person probably has a gun and a case of seething rage.
Let’s not forget that this wasn’t the first time Trump surrendered himself to face charges, it’s just the first time he was treated somewhat like a regular criminal defendant.
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Trump was again protected from anything making him look like an ordinary criminal defendant when he was arraigned on federal criminal charges relating to his attempts to overturn the 2020 election, but he did not want to be in federal court in Washington, D.C., that day. His presence there was a surrender.
However many T-shirts they print it on, the mugshot is just another confirmation that Donald Trump is a criminal defendant—in New York court, in federal court in two jurisdictions, and in Georgia court. And while he’s certainly not pleading guilty or making any kind of a deal, he does show up—and surrender—when he’s told.
(full article online)
Donald Trump, moments after surrendering: 'Never surrender'
Thursday evening, Donald Trump surrendered and was processed in his fourth set of criminal charges, and had his first-ever mugshot taken. As soon as that picture became public—Trump, head lowered, ...
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Coup confession bomb explodes: See Trump's own words used as criminal evidence
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Full Phone Call: Trump Pressures Georgia Secretary of State To Recount Election Votes
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Dude, what is your point? Trump is guilty and should have a corn husk shoved up his ass to prepare him for prison.Donald J. Trump and his organizations have been under investigation
for some years now.
This thread means to put into prospective all of these cases and follow them to wherever they may lead.
Let us start with an over view of all of those cases, and then deal with the most recent information.
Feel free to discuss anything one reads, whether one agrees with it or not, but in a civil way.
Trump court cases: A list of all current and pending legal cases on the ex-president's docket
Donald Trump is on a bad run, with massive losses against the New York attorney general and E. Jean Carroll. His first criminal trial has just begun.www.businessinsider.com
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[ CURRENT President ?????]
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I am good with that. Hold Biden to the same standard as well. WHY ISN'T BIDEN HELD TO THIS SAME HIGH STANDARD? Biden is on tape admitting he used his influence in Ukraine to his favor. But Trump (might have did X or Y speculative stuff) perennial without any proof, just a cascade of accusations ad nauseum. Biden is currently our president, and he has more than enough troubling questions over his head, lets investigate that. It seems more relevant and more pressing that bothering with Trump.Donald J. Trump and his organizations have been under investigation
for some years now.
This thread means to put into prospective all of these cases and follow them to wherever they may lead.
Let us start with an over view of all of those cases, and then deal with the most recent information.
Feel free to discuss anything one reads, whether one agrees with it or not, but in a civil way.
Trump court cases: A list of all current and pending legal cases on the ex-president's docket
Donald Trump is on a bad run, with massive losses against the New York attorney general and E. Jean Carroll. His first criminal trial has just begun.
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