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We've yet to see any photographs of what the witnesses saw.
Nor do we have any witness testimony that they saw something go up into the sky and then the plane went boom.
For all we know they saw a flash or heard a boom, looked up, and saw a trail coming from the plane and confused it with a trail that went towards the plane.
Otherwise you wouldn't be repeating that "someone saw a missile"..
JoeBlam said:Several witnesses told authorities they saw an object leaving a contrail on a path toward the airliner just before it exploded.
To be exact -- it was a 154 witnesses citing a fast moving trail leading UP to the location of the plane..
How many civil air investigations have had the CIA called in to produce simply flight tragectory analysis eh Mamooth?
What was the FAA actions required for 747s regarding the fuel tank??
The center fuel tank blew apart catastrophically. Pieces of it blew outwards in all directions. That is not debatable, unless someone is claiming dozens of investigators deliberately lying about it, without the slightest shred of evidence to support such an accusation. And if someone is claiming that, they're too far gone beyond reason to be worth speaking to.
What kind of missile can hit the top center fuel tank?
Small missiles hit engines, and only take out an engine. They don't cause large aircraft to catastrophically explode instantly.
Large missiles, like fired from Navy ships, could do it. But such missiles are like small rockets, and would have lit up the whole night sky. No one would have called it a "flare". So that didn't happen.
In either case, missile shrapnel will be part of the wreckage. It wasn't there. No radars saw a missile. There was no missile. Unless someone is postulating a special super-secret missile, sending them off into the realm of undisprovable magic, and making them not worth talking to.
Bomb? No evidence. No high-velocity bomb damage.
The "flares"? The front end of the plane blew off, causing the now unbalanced burning aircraft to point up and climb until it exploded again.
The most sensible theory? Jim Speer is addle-brained now. Occam's razor. The simplest explanation is most likely to be correct.
Iraq?
I am laughing out loud.
Anyone ever hear of a guy name of bin Laden?
Guy armed with shoulder mount AAA by ReagaNUTs just like Mr Saddam Hussein, matter of fact.
The fuel tank explosion story was always bullshit....Kerosene (jet fuel) doesn't explode.may have been shot down by a missile or missiles.
TWA Flight 800 crash not due to gas tank explosion, former investigators say
Jim Speer, an accident investigator at the time of the crash for the Airline Pilots Association, who sifted through the recovered wreckage in a hangar, said he discovered holes consistent with those that would be formed by a high-energy blast in the right wing. He requested it be tested for explosives. When the test came back positive, he said, he was "physically removed" from a room by two CIA agents.
Holy shit...
It will if it's atomized....kinda like after being hit with a missile.
It's like pouring powdered none dairy creamer over an open flame. WHOOSH!!!
No question about it.
Reagan funded Charlie Wilson's war.
My point, obviously too complex for the nutball element, is that it isn't any more absurd to blame bin Laden than to blame Hussein.
Next time I'll just drool and go, "Yeahman. Thassitokay."
Carter began sptting the mujhadeen before Reagan was even in office........ next time just wipe your chin first.
What does Carter have to do with Reagan giving tens of millions of dollars to bin Laden and other "Afghan patriots? Reagan never seemed to tire of bloviating about heroic Afghan freedom fighters.
As for your wit, divide your own estimate in two and there you "half-wit".
very interesting. I wonder where this will go now.
hopefully they will re-open the case, but since clinton was in charge then, I have no hope of that
but
I'd like to know;
who attacked us
why was it covered up
Muslims, of course; it was shortly after 9/11 while all that anthrax attacking and others were going on.
At the time I recognized that it had to be an attack.
There ARE no coincidences that remarkable. What, right after 9/11 a plane explodes over New York and that's an ACCIDENT??
Between New York and the Pentagon getting planebombed and the anthrax multiple attacks, we were a mess as a nation; the powers that be decided to conceal what happened to keep us from going wild.
Does anyone think that was a good decision? it is true there haven't been big attacks since the plane. So far. Well, the Boston one, but that wasn't as big a loss of life as the others.
Do you know what a contrail is?
We've yet to see any photographs of what the witnesses saw.
Nor do we have any witness testimony that they saw something go up into the sky and then the plane went boom.
For all we know they saw a flash or heard a boom, looked up, and saw a trail coming from the plane and confused it with a trail that went towards the plane.
154 witnesses mentioned missile. INCLUDING the cockpit crew of an ANGuard C-130.. One of the CLOSEST planes to Flight 800.. NYTimes -- one or two days after the "accident".
Actually no, July 14 didn't become a holiday under the NEW IMPROVED IRAQ.Your quoting national holidays of the NEW IMPROVED IRAQ.. Not the Iraq under Saddam Hussein...
Shortly after the fall of Sadam Hussein Iraq's new governing council had scrapped 2 of the annual public holidays associated with Saddam Hussein; the July 14 anniversary of the overthrow of the monarchy in 1958, and July 17 anniversary of the Ba'ath party revolution.
It is a message board, do you really think anyone gives a shit about someone holding a long-term grudge?or I can just harbor a long-term grudge for your insult
It wouldnt surprise me one bit if it was covered up.
Could have been hushed just to keep the general public from panic. Or possibly it was an American missile that had been sold by our gov to a not so friendly group. And of course political reasons.
And I seem to remember a shitload of train derailments around 9/11 that were all called "accidents".
Nothing would surprise me.
Probably rogue Saudis. That's what the planebombing on 9/11 was, after all.
But our government is bestest fwiendsies with the Evil Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, so they'd cover it up.
We've yet to see any photographs of what the witnesses saw.
Nor do we have any witness testimony that they saw something go up into the sky and then the plane went boom.
For all we know they saw a flash or heard a boom, looked up, and saw a trail coming from the plane and confused it with a trail that went towards the plane.
154 witnesses mentioned missile. INCLUDING the cockpit crew of an ANGuard C-130.. One of the CLOSEST planes to Flight 800.. NYTimes -- one or two days after the "accident".
A missile would have shown on radar.
ok, then what was the flare that was seen hitting the plane?Look if you're n the fire control center of an Aegis cruiser or even a DD and you just shot down an airliner, dude everyone o that ship would know it...the firing of the missile, then a detonation, the fire on the water...., you think that could be kept secret?
how? they send everyone from the ship to the same Cheyene-cheney/fuhrer bunker where they have the passengers from the Pentagon flight
I cannot see that, at all...
hundreds of eye witnesses, describing the same thing
weather balloon?
j/k..beats me...
*shrugs* but it wasn't a stinger or portable system of that model....
The 'flare' was likely just someone with some left over July 4 fireworks..
Actually no, July 14 didn't become a holiday under the NEW IMPROVED IRAQ.Your quoting national holidays of the NEW IMPROVED IRAQ.. Not the Iraq under Saddam Hussein...
Iraqi Public Holidays Overhaul Update
Shortly after the fall of Sadam Hussein Iraq's new governing council had scrapped 2 of the annual public holidays associated with Saddam Hussein; the July 14 anniversary of the overthrow of the monarchy in 1958, and July 17 anniversary of the Ba'ath party revolution.
Why would they be scrapping the July 14 holiday if you claim it is a holiday of the new improved Iraq? Doesn't make sense.
Remember, you're the guy who initially claimed it was the Oct 3 Iraqi Independence Day before changing your story.
It is a message board, do you really think anyone gives a shit about someone holding a long-term grudge?or I can just harbor a long-term grudge for your insult
154 witnesses mentioned missile. INCLUDING the cockpit crew of an ANGuard C-130.. One of the CLOSEST planes to Flight 800.. NYTimes -- one or two days after the "accident".
A missile would have shown on radar.
Nope.. Not neccessarily.. Not a small agile one. Especially since FAA aint looking for a MACH 2 tiny blip appearing for a couple seconds. There are DEEP conspirator types that CLAIM there is radar evidence. And this new "documentary" suggests that there is MORE radar evidence of an ordinance type explosion.. So we will see what they got...
Got an EXPERT WITNESS in a C-130 military transport that called in what he and his co-pilot saw. Wasn't fireworks if a veteran military crew called it a missile trail. He was one of the closest aircraft to the airliner. You're avoiding this for "some reason"..
'We weren’t allowed to talk about the TWA 800 investigation when we were inside,' Young said. 'We had to retire first. That took a while.
'What [witnesses] told us doesn’t fit the mechanical failure scenario that was presented to the public at the end of our investigation.'
'The very next day [after the crash], the FBI came to speak to me and said, "you did not see that, you saw nothing",' one investigator said.
The documentary features interviews with these key members of the original investigation team, who now claim that their investigation was systematically undermined.
'This team of investigators who actually handled the wreckage and victims' bodies, prove that the officially proposed fuel-air explosion did not cause the crash,' said the film's producers.
'They also provide radar and forensic evidence proving that one or more ordinance explosions outside the aircraft caused the crash.'
The whistleblower team claim that at the time they were placed under a gag order by the NTSB, which they charged falsified the official conclusion of the cause of the crash, reports
Read more: Are conspiracy theorists who say TWA flight 800 was shot down right? Flimmakers claim jet that crashed over Long Island killing 230 was hit by explosions OUTSIDE aircraft | Mail Online
Got an EXPERT WITNESS in a C-130 military transport that called in what he and his co-pilot saw. Wasn't fireworks if a veteran military crew called it a missile trail. He was one of the closest aircraft to the airliner. You're avoiding this for "some reason"..
A missile would have shown on radar.
Nope.. Not neccessarily.. Not a small agile one. Especially since FAA aint looking for a MACH 2 tiny blip appearing for a couple seconds. There are DEEP conspirator types that CLAIM there is radar evidence. And this new "documentary" suggests that there is MORE radar evidence of an ordinance type explosion.. So we will see what they got...
Got an EXPERT WITNESS in a C-130 military transport that called in what he and his co-pilot saw. Wasn't fireworks if a veteran military crew called it a missile trail. He was one of the closest aircraft to the airliner. You're avoiding this for "some reason"..
Who do you think you are? Vince Gill? Maybe.. Lots of music folks in the Hillbilly Hollywood hills I live in
Are you high on crack? Not at the moment. But I saw frog skeletons crawling on the ceiling this morning
Are you posting from the prison library? No.. Currently under lock-down. Phoning it in on my ObamaPhone
From MTMHI? Mary Tyler Moore Humor Institute? Nope.
Avoiding? Geeze. I was actually around when it happened unlike many on this forum with you likely being one of them. I meant SELECTIVELY avoiding.
And I don't believe any 'expert witness' would be talking out of school the way you claim one did.
Got an EXPERT WITNESS in a C-130 military transport that called in what he and his co-pilot saw. Wasn't fireworks if a veteran military crew called it a missile trail. He was one of the closest aircraft to the airliner. You're avoiding this for "some reason"..
There are many different versions of that supposed testimony floating around. And when people ask why there's no concrete testimony, they learn that the feds supposedly put a gag order out. My, how convenient.
And there's _still_ no missile damage on the aircraft. You're avoiding that for some reason.
By the way, why is a transport or helicopter pilot an "expert witness" on explosions? Did they spend their career watching missiles hit aircraft and making them explode? As the answer is "no", how would they know what it looks like? A sensible person would conclude that they have no special expertise there.
