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Does anyone think lying about having a vasectomy and getting a woman pregnant should NOT be punished?
What should the punishment be beyond 18 years of child support?
Much more than that. The woman will be expected to drop all her plans and care for the child.
As I said, in some places "stealthing" can bring charges of sexual assault. That would be right, since a condition of her consenting was that he had had a vasectomy.
She needs to plan on feeding the child too with no financial support for however many years dad is behind bars thanks to you. Sure I think it is a shitty thing for someone to do, but women need to be proactive in using birth control if they don't want to have a baby.
Does anyone think lying about having a vasectomy and getting a woman pregnant should NOT be punished?
What should the punishment be beyond 18 years of child support?
Much more than that. The woman will be expected to drop all her plans and care for the child.
As I said, in some places "stealthing" can bring charges of sexual assault. That would be right, since a condition of her consenting was that he had had a vasectomy.
She needs to plan on feeding the child too with no financial support for however many years dad is behind bars thanks to you. Sure I think it is a shitty thing for someone to do, but women need to be proactive in using birth control if they don't want to have a baby.
As long as the only punishment is people thinking its a shitty thing to do, those overgrown boys will continue to lie and continue to take off the condoms. The threat of punishment is what many of them need.
And as long as women can earn a 20 year payday without being charged for a crime; they’ll continue to lie about birth control. The threat of punishment is what many of them need.Does anyone think lying about having a vasectomy and getting a woman pregnant should NOT be punished?
What should the punishment be beyond 18 years of child support?
Much more than that. The woman will be expected to drop all her plans and care for the child.
As I said, in some places "stealthing" can bring charges of sexual assault. That would be right, since a condition of her consenting was that he had had a vasectomy.
She needs to plan on feeding the child too with no financial support for however many years dad is behind bars thanks to you. Sure I think it is a shitty thing for someone to do, but women need to be proactive in using birth control if they don't want to have a baby.
As long as the only punishment is people thinking its a shitty thing to do, those overgrown boys will continue to lie and continue to take off the condoms. The threat of punishment is what many of them need.
And as long as women can earn a 20 year payday without being charged for a crime; they’ll continue to lie about birth control. The threat of punishment is what many of them need.Does anyone think lying about having a vasectomy and getting a woman pregnant should NOT be punished?
What should the punishment be beyond 18 years of child support?
Much more than that. The woman will be expected to drop all her plans and care for the child.
As I said, in some places "stealthing" can bring charges of sexual assault. That would be right, since a condition of her consenting was that he had had a vasectomy.
She needs to plan on feeding the child too with no financial support for however many years dad is behind bars thanks to you. Sure I think it is a shitty thing for someone to do, but women need to be proactive in using birth control if they don't want to have a baby.
As long as the only punishment is people thinking its a shitty thing to do, those overgrown boys will continue to lie and continue to take off the condoms. The threat of punishment is what many of them need.
Glad you agree. How long should the woman be incarcerated for in these instances?And as long as women can earn a 20 year payday without being charged for a crime; they’ll continue to lie about birth control. The threat of punishment is what many of them need.What should the punishment be beyond 18 years of child support?
Much more than that. The woman will be expected to drop all her plans and care for the child.
As I said, in some places "stealthing" can bring charges of sexual assault. That would be right, since a condition of her consenting was that he had had a vasectomy.
She needs to plan on feeding the child too with no financial support for however many years dad is behind bars thanks to you. Sure I think it is a shitty thing for someone to do, but women need to be proactive in using birth control if they don't want to have a baby.
As long as the only punishment is people thinking its a shitty thing to do, those overgrown boys will continue to lie and continue to take off the condoms. The threat of punishment is what many of them need.
OK.
And as long as women can earn a 20 year payday without being charged for a crime; they’ll continue to lie about birth control. The threat of punishment is what many of them need.Does anyone think lying about having a vasectomy and getting a woman pregnant should NOT be punished?
What should the punishment be beyond 18 years of child support?
Much more than that. The woman will be expected to drop all her plans and care for the child.
As I said, in some places "stealthing" can bring charges of sexual assault. That would be right, since a condition of her consenting was that he had had a vasectomy.
She needs to plan on feeding the child too with no financial support for however many years dad is behind bars thanks to you. Sure I think it is a shitty thing for someone to do, but women need to be proactive in using birth control if they don't want to have a baby.
As long as the only punishment is people thinking its a shitty thing to do, those overgrown boys will continue to lie and continue to take off the condoms. The threat of punishment is what many of them need.
Glad you agree. How long should the woman be incarcerated for in these instances?And as long as women can earn a 20 year payday without being charged for a crime; they’ll continue to lie about birth control. The threat of punishment is what many of them need.Much more than that. The woman will be expected to drop all her plans and care for the child.
As I said, in some places "stealthing" can bring charges of sexual assault. That would be right, since a condition of her consenting was that he had had a vasectomy.
She needs to plan on feeding the child too with no financial support for however many years dad is behind bars thanks to you. Sure I think it is a shitty thing for someone to do, but women need to be proactive in using birth control if they don't want to have a baby.
As long as the only punishment is people thinking its a shitty thing to do, those overgrown boys will continue to lie and continue to take off the condoms. The threat of punishment is what many of them need.
OK.
And as long as women can earn a 20 year payday without being charged for a crime; they’ll continue to lie about birth control. The threat of punishment is what many of them need.Does anyone think lying about having a vasectomy and getting a woman pregnant should NOT be punished?
What should the punishment be beyond 18 years of child support?
Much more than that. The woman will be expected to drop all her plans and care for the child.
As I said, in some places "stealthing" can bring charges of sexual assault. That would be right, since a condition of her consenting was that he had had a vasectomy.
She needs to plan on feeding the child too with no financial support for however many years dad is behind bars thanks to you. Sure I think it is a shitty thing for someone to do, but women need to be proactive in using birth control if they don't want to have a baby.
As long as the only punishment is people thinking its a shitty thing to do, those overgrown boys will continue to lie and continue to take off the condoms. The threat of punishment is what many of them need.
The profit she takes in from her misdeed is hardly the crux of the matter. Merely one aspect.And as long as women can earn a 20 year payday without being charged for a crime; they’ll continue to lie about birth control. The threat of punishment is what many of them need.What should the punishment be beyond 18 years of child support?
Much more than that. The woman will be expected to drop all her plans and care for the child.
As I said, in some places "stealthing" can bring charges of sexual assault. That would be right, since a condition of her consenting was that he had had a vasectomy.
She needs to plan on feeding the child too with no financial support for however many years dad is behind bars thanks to you. Sure I think it is a shitty thing for someone to do, but women need to be proactive in using birth control if they don't want to have a baby.
As long as the only punishment is people thinking its a shitty thing to do, those overgrown boys will continue to lie and continue to take off the condoms. The threat of punishment is what many of them need.
But let's be real, what most men pay in child support is not going to be income for her as much as it will be helping cover the cost of raising a child.
from: What is the average child support payment?
"But on average, the latest statistic we have available comes from the 2010 Census. According to the Census Bureau Reports, the average monthly child support payment is $430."
from: Parents, save up: It costs this much to raise a kid
"The estimated cost of raising a child from birth through age 17 is $233,610 -- or as much as almost $14,000 annually, the Department of Agriculture says. That’s the average for a middle-income couple with two children. It’s a bit more expensive in urban parts of the country, and less so in rural areas."
$430 a month comes to $5,160 a year. So $103,200 for 20 years. Less than half the estimated cost of raising the child. Even if you double the child support, you are only paying $10,320 a year. That comes to $206,400 for 20 years. Still not hitting the cost. So calling it an income for her is simply inaccurate.
Plus, paying child support is inconvenient and perhaps a financial burden. Raising a child for 20 years is a complete change for her life.
The profit she takes in from her misdeed is hardly the crux of the matter. Merely one aspect.And as long as women can earn a 20 year payday without being charged for a crime; they’ll continue to lie about birth control. The threat of punishment is what many of them need.Much more than that. The woman will be expected to drop all her plans and care for the child.
As I said, in some places "stealthing" can bring charges of sexual assault. That would be right, since a condition of her consenting was that he had had a vasectomy.
She needs to plan on feeding the child too with no financial support for however many years dad is behind bars thanks to you. Sure I think it is a shitty thing for someone to do, but women need to be proactive in using birth control if they don't want to have a baby.
As long as the only punishment is people thinking its a shitty thing to do, those overgrown boys will continue to lie and continue to take off the condoms. The threat of punishment is what many of them need.
But let's be real, what most men pay in child support is not going to be income for her as much as it will be helping cover the cost of raising a child.
from: What is the average child support payment?
"But on average, the latest statistic we have available comes from the 2010 Census. According to the Census Bureau Reports, the average monthly child support payment is $430."
from: Parents, save up: It costs this much to raise a kid
"The estimated cost of raising a child from birth through age 17 is $233,610 -- or as much as almost $14,000 annually, the Department of Agriculture says. That’s the average for a middle-income couple with two children. It’s a bit more expensive in urban parts of the country, and less so in rural areas."
$430 a month comes to $5,160 a year. So $103,200 for 20 years. Less than half the estimated cost of raising the child. Even if you double the child support, you are only paying $10,320 a year. That comes to $206,400 for 20 years. Still not hitting the cost. So calling it an income for her is simply inaccurate.
Plus, paying child support is inconvenient and perhaps a financial burden. Raising a child for 20 years is a complete change for her life.
But it is vigorously pursued, and pursuantly punished when possible. A principled belief in “equality” mandates the same pursuit for justice be sought for the men, and the women when found guilty be punished just as severely.And as long as women can earn a 20 year payday without being charged for a crime; they’ll continue to lie about birth control. The threat of punishment is what many of them need.What should the punishment be beyond 18 years of child support?
Much more than that. The woman will be expected to drop all her plans and care for the child.
As I said, in some places "stealthing" can bring charges of sexual assault. That would be right, since a condition of her consenting was that he had had a vasectomy.
She needs to plan on feeding the child too with no financial support for however many years dad is behind bars thanks to you. Sure I think it is a shitty thing for someone to do, but women need to be proactive in using birth control if they don't want to have a baby.
As long as the only punishment is people thinking its a shitty thing to do, those overgrown boys will continue to lie and continue to take off the condoms. The threat of punishment is what many of them need.
It's already a bitch-and-a-half to prove cases of reproductive coercion in men. I can't even imagine how hard that would be to do against women.
Says you.The profit she takes in from her misdeed is hardly the crux of the matter. Merely one aspect.And as long as women can earn a 20 year payday without being charged for a crime; they’ll continue to lie about birth control. The threat of punishment is what many of them need.She needs to plan on feeding the child too with no financial support for however many years dad is behind bars thanks to you. Sure I think it is a shitty thing for someone to do, but women need to be proactive in using birth control if they don't want to have a baby.
As long as the only punishment is people thinking its a shitty thing to do, those overgrown boys will continue to lie and continue to take off the condoms. The threat of punishment is what many of them need.
But let's be real, what most men pay in child support is not going to be income for her as much as it will be helping cover the cost of raising a child.
from: What is the average child support payment?
"But on average, the latest statistic we have available comes from the 2010 Census. According to the Census Bureau Reports, the average monthly child support payment is $430."
from: Parents, save up: It costs this much to raise a kid
"The estimated cost of raising a child from birth through age 17 is $233,610 -- or as much as almost $14,000 annually, the Department of Agriculture says. That’s the average for a middle-income couple with two children. It’s a bit more expensive in urban parts of the country, and less so in rural areas."
$430 a month comes to $5,160 a year. So $103,200 for 20 years. Less than half the estimated cost of raising the child. Even if you double the child support, you are only paying $10,320 a year. That comes to $206,400 for 20 years. Still not hitting the cost. So calling it an income for her is simply inaccurate.
Plus, paying child support is inconvenient and perhaps a financial burden. Raising a child for 20 years is a complete change for her life.
I think what he's getting at is that it's a mite more intrusive to impregnate a woman by lying than for her to get impregnated by lying.
The profit she takes in from her misdeed is hardly the crux of the matter. Merely one aspect.And as long as women can earn a 20 year payday without being charged for a crime; they’ll continue to lie about birth control. The threat of punishment is what many of them need.Much more than that. The woman will be expected to drop all her plans and care for the child.
As I said, in some places "stealthing" can bring charges of sexual assault. That would be right, since a condition of her consenting was that he had had a vasectomy.
She needs to plan on feeding the child too with no financial support for however many years dad is behind bars thanks to you. Sure I think it is a shitty thing for someone to do, but women need to be proactive in using birth control if they don't want to have a baby.
As long as the only punishment is people thinking its a shitty thing to do, those overgrown boys will continue to lie and continue to take off the condoms. The threat of punishment is what many of them need.
But let's be real, what most men pay in child support is not going to be income for her as much as it will be helping cover the cost of raising a child.
from: What is the average child support payment?
"But on average, the latest statistic we have available comes from the 2010 Census. According to the Census Bureau Reports, the average monthly child support payment is $430."
from: Parents, save up: It costs this much to raise a kid
"The estimated cost of raising a child from birth through age 17 is $233,610 -- or as much as almost $14,000 annually, the Department of Agriculture says. That’s the average for a middle-income couple with two children. It’s a bit more expensive in urban parts of the country, and less so in rural areas."
$430 a month comes to $5,160 a year. So $103,200 for 20 years. Less than half the estimated cost of raising the child. Even if you double the child support, you are only paying $10,320 a year. That comes to $206,400 for 20 years. Still not hitting the cost. So calling it an income for her is simply inaccurate.
Plus, paying child support is inconvenient and perhaps a financial burden. Raising a child for 20 years is a complete change for her life.
Says you.The profit she takes in from her misdeed is hardly the crux of the matter. Merely one aspect.And as long as women can earn a 20 year payday without being charged for a crime; they’ll continue to lie about birth control. The threat of punishment is what many of them need.As long as the only punishment is people thinking its a shitty thing to do, those overgrown boys will continue to lie and continue to take off the condoms. The threat of punishment is what many of them need.
But let's be real, what most men pay in child support is not going to be income for her as much as it will be helping cover the cost of raising a child.
from: What is the average child support payment?
"But on average, the latest statistic we have available comes from the 2010 Census. According to the Census Bureau Reports, the average monthly child support payment is $430."
from: Parents, save up: It costs this much to raise a kid
"The estimated cost of raising a child from birth through age 17 is $233,610 -- or as much as almost $14,000 annually, the Department of Agriculture says. That’s the average for a middle-income couple with two children. It’s a bit more expensive in urban parts of the country, and less so in rural areas."
$430 a month comes to $5,160 a year. So $103,200 for 20 years. Less than half the estimated cost of raising the child. Even if you double the child support, you are only paying $10,320 a year. That comes to $206,400 for 20 years. Still not hitting the cost. So calling it an income for her is simply inaccurate.
Plus, paying child support is inconvenient and perhaps a financial burden. Raising a child for 20 years is a complete change for her life.
I think what he's getting at is that it's a mite more intrusive to impregnate a woman by lying than for her to get impregnated by lying.
But it is vigorously pursued, and pursuantly punished when possible. A principled belief in “equality” mandates the same pursuit for justice be sought for the men, and the women when found guilty be punished just as severely.And as long as women can earn a 20 year payday without being charged for a crime; they’ll continue to lie about birth control. The threat of punishment is what many of them need.Much more than that. The woman will be expected to drop all her plans and care for the child.
As I said, in some places "stealthing" can bring charges of sexual assault. That would be right, since a condition of her consenting was that he had had a vasectomy.
She needs to plan on feeding the child too with no financial support for however many years dad is behind bars thanks to you. Sure I think it is a shitty thing for someone to do, but women need to be proactive in using birth control if they don't want to have a baby.
As long as the only punishment is people thinking its a shitty thing to do, those overgrown boys will continue to lie and continue to take off the condoms. The threat of punishment is what many of them need.
It's already a bitch-and-a-half to prove cases of reproductive coercion in men. I can't even imagine how hard that would be to do against women.
None the less, it happens all the time. And often times money is what the offenders also consider. Any other “hardships” you credit her for bearing are rendered null and void in instances where her deceit caused it, as it is self inflicted.The profit she takes in from her misdeed is hardly the crux of the matter. Merely one aspect.And as long as women can earn a 20 year payday without being charged for a crime; they’ll continue to lie about birth control. The threat of punishment is what many of them need.She needs to plan on feeding the child too with no financial support for however many years dad is behind bars thanks to you. Sure I think it is a shitty thing for someone to do, but women need to be proactive in using birth control if they don't want to have a baby.
As long as the only punishment is people thinking its a shitty thing to do, those overgrown boys will continue to lie and continue to take off the condoms. The threat of punishment is what many of them need.
But let's be real, what most men pay in child support is not going to be income for her as much as it will be helping cover the cost of raising a child.
from: What is the average child support payment?
"But on average, the latest statistic we have available comes from the 2010 Census. According to the Census Bureau Reports, the average monthly child support payment is $430."
from: Parents, save up: It costs this much to raise a kid
"The estimated cost of raising a child from birth through age 17 is $233,610 -- or as much as almost $14,000 annually, the Department of Agriculture says. That’s the average for a middle-income couple with two children. It’s a bit more expensive in urban parts of the country, and less so in rural areas."
$430 a month comes to $5,160 a year. So $103,200 for 20 years. Less than half the estimated cost of raising the child. Even if you double the child support, you are only paying $10,320 a year. That comes to $206,400 for 20 years. Still not hitting the cost. So calling it an income for her is simply inaccurate.
Plus, paying child support is inconvenient and perhaps a financial burden. Raising a child for 20 years is a complete change for her life.
I was simply addressing your comment "And as long as women can earn a 20 year payday without being charged for a crime; they’ll continue to lie about birth control.". I showed ample evidence that it is not a payday.
And the heavier risk is on her. The profound change in her life is much greater than his. And to risk that, simply because you want to get laid, is crimiinal for him.
Daft has nothing to do with it. Maybe the man didn’t want to father her child. Maybe he didn’t want his existing children to have bastard siblings. Maybe cutting the deceitful woman a check every month for 20 years diminishes his quality of life, and the quality of life for his children that he intended to sire. And all of this is granting you carte Blanche that the deceiving woman is allowed to keep the child as opposed to the man getting custody if he wants it. That is a whole nother argument...Says you.The profit she takes in from her misdeed is hardly the crux of the matter. Merely one aspect.And as long as women can earn a 20 year payday without being charged for a crime; they’ll continue to lie about birth control. The threat of punishment is what many of them need.
But let's be real, what most men pay in child support is not going to be income for her as much as it will be helping cover the cost of raising a child.
from: What is the average child support payment?
"But on average, the latest statistic we have available comes from the 2010 Census. According to the Census Bureau Reports, the average monthly child support payment is $430."
from: Parents, save up: It costs this much to raise a kid
"The estimated cost of raising a child from birth through age 17 is $233,610 -- or as much as almost $14,000 annually, the Department of Agriculture says. That’s the average for a middle-income couple with two children. It’s a bit more expensive in urban parts of the country, and less so in rural areas."
$430 a month comes to $5,160 a year. So $103,200 for 20 years. Less than half the estimated cost of raising the child. Even if you double the child support, you are only paying $10,320 a year. That comes to $206,400 for 20 years. Still not hitting the cost. So calling it an income for her is simply inaccurate.
Plus, paying child support is inconvenient and perhaps a financial burden. Raising a child for 20 years is a complete change for her life.
I think what he's getting at is that it's a mite more intrusive to impregnate a woman by lying than for her to get impregnated by lying.
So you would claim that writing a check every month for 20 years is more intrusive than raising a baby to toddler to school student? Surely you are not that daft.
Daft has nothing to do with it. Maybe the man didn’t want to father her child. Maybe he didn’t want his existing children to have bastard siblings. Maybe cutting the deceitful woman a check every month for 20 years diminishes his quality of life, and the quality of life for his children that he intended to sire. And all of this is granting you carte Blanche that the deceiving woman is allowed to keep the child as opposed to the man getting custody if he wants it. That is a whole nother argument...Says you.The profit she takes in from her misdeed is hardly the crux of the matter. Merely one aspect.But let's be real, what most men pay in child support is not going to be income for her as much as it will be helping cover the cost of raising a child.
from: What is the average child support payment?
"But on average, the latest statistic we have available comes from the 2010 Census. According to the Census Bureau Reports, the average monthly child support payment is $430."
from: Parents, save up: It costs this much to raise a kid
"The estimated cost of raising a child from birth through age 17 is $233,610 -- or as much as almost $14,000 annually, the Department of Agriculture says. That’s the average for a middle-income couple with two children. It’s a bit more expensive in urban parts of the country, and less so in rural areas."
$430 a month comes to $5,160 a year. So $103,200 for 20 years. Less than half the estimated cost of raising the child. Even if you double the child support, you are only paying $10,320 a year. That comes to $206,400 for 20 years. Still not hitting the cost. So calling it an income for her is simply inaccurate.
Plus, paying child support is inconvenient and perhaps a financial burden. Raising a child for 20 years is a complete change for her life.
I think what he's getting at is that it's a mite more intrusive to impregnate a woman by lying than for her to get impregnated by lying.
So you would claim that writing a check every month for 20 years is more intrusive than raising a baby to toddler to school student? Surely you are not that daft.
In short who are you to place a value of her inconvenience above his; especially when he was defrauded. Looks like “equality mobile” is sputtering out...
None the less, it happens all the time. And often times money is what the offenders also consider. Any other “hardships” you credit her for bearing are rendered null and void in instances where her deceit caused it, as it is self inflicted.The profit she takes in from her misdeed is hardly the crux of the matter. Merely one aspect.And as long as women can earn a 20 year payday without being charged for a crime; they’ll continue to lie about birth control. The threat of punishment is what many of them need.As long as the only punishment is people thinking its a shitty thing to do, those overgrown boys will continue to lie and continue to take off the condoms. The threat of punishment is what many of them need.
But let's be real, what most men pay in child support is not going to be income for her as much as it will be helping cover the cost of raising a child.
from: What is the average child support payment?
"But on average, the latest statistic we have available comes from the 2010 Census. According to the Census Bureau Reports, the average monthly child support payment is $430."
from: Parents, save up: It costs this much to raise a kid
"The estimated cost of raising a child from birth through age 17 is $233,610 -- or as much as almost $14,000 annually, the Department of Agriculture says. That’s the average for a middle-income couple with two children. It’s a bit more expensive in urban parts of the country, and less so in rural areas."
$430 a month comes to $5,160 a year. So $103,200 for 20 years. Less than half the estimated cost of raising the child. Even if you double the child support, you are only paying $10,320 a year. That comes to $206,400 for 20 years. Still not hitting the cost. So calling it an income for her is simply inaccurate.
Plus, paying child support is inconvenient and perhaps a financial burden. Raising a child for 20 years is a complete change for her life.
I was simply addressing your comment "And as long as women can earn a 20 year payday without being charged for a crime; they’ll continue to lie about birth control.". I showed ample evidence that it is not a payday.
And the heavier risk is on her. The profound change in her life is much greater than his. And to risk that, simply because you want to get laid, is crimiinal for him.
