U.S. Leans Toward Providing Abrams Tanks to Ukraine

[BWK]

The Ukrainians are more authoritarian. They even tried to ban the Russian language and culture when 1/3 of Ukraine is Russo-Ukrainian.

Maybe they don't want Fascist dictators who speak Russian. I sure as hell wouldn't.

 

[Redfish]

Our troops are not in Ukraine dumb ass. But you keep trying to pedal the notion they are going to be there.

not yet, but they will be if Biden keep sending equipment and money. Who is going to train the Ukrainians to operate the tanks and missiles if not US troops?

 

[Marener]

If we send the tanks we will have to send support Staff & Training Staff that will by far outnumber the Number of Training Advisors sent to Nam from 1959-1961

We already are training Ukrainians in Germany. We don’t have to send anyone to Ukraine.

 

[Redfish]

Maybe they don't want Fascist dictators who speak Russian. I sure as hell wouldn't.

Ukraine was part of the ussr for decades, they are more russian than anything else.

 

[Redfish]

Maybe they don't want Fascist dictators who speak Russian. I sure as hell wouldn't.

Zelensky is a fascist dictator, do you live under a rock?

 

[Failzero]

The Tanks will be operating outta Germany ?

 

[Red Front]

This is some stupid redneck shit right here, on so many levels. Your Homophobia/ conflicted confusion over dictators who prefer controlling the world. LOL! Son, you've got issues.

You got issues for wanting to go to war with Russia because they're not LGBTQ-friendly enough. The Russians have zero aspirations to invade Western Europe or the whole world. You're full of shit. We're the ones with 700+ military bases and installations around the world, not Russia. Russia just doesn't want NATO and Neo-Nazis on their border in Ukraine. They don't recognize the 2014, American-led coup that launched an anti-Russian campaign against 1/3rd of its population. Why should Russo-Ukrainians i.e. ethnic Russians in Ukraine, accept the American puppet coup regime in Kiev, that hates their guts for being Russian? The US government was funding ultra-nationalists in Ukraine, who were shelling innocent civilians in the Donbas for eight years. Russia tried to end the conflict peacefully through the Minsk 2 agreements and Ukraine refused to implement it. They now admitted that they had no intentions of implementing the agreement.

You liberals are going to start a nuclear war with Russia because Putin isn't LGBTQ-friendly enough for you.

 

[Marener]

The Ukrainians are more authoritarian. They even tried to ban the Russian language and culture when 1/3 of Ukraine is Russo-Ukrainian.

Which is untrue.

The authoritarian Russians have deep roots in propaganda and disseminating false realities.

 

[Failzero]

Which is untrue.

The authoritarian Russians have deep roots in propaganda and disseminating false realities.

Propaganda like the Tanks can operate out of and repairs & Training can be done in Germany lol

 

[Red Front]

Which is untrue.

The authoritarian Russians have deep roots in propaganda and disseminating false realities.

As if the US government and others don't have their own propaganda. Everything I said is a fact, not an opinion.

 

[Marener]

As if the US government and others don't have their own propaganda. Everything I said is a fact, not an opinion.

Propaganda is not fact.

The US government doesn’t control media like the corrupt authoritarian Russian government. Just look at how Russia limits internet access to their populace.

 

[Marener]

Propaganda like the Tanks can operate out of and repairs & Training can be done in Germany lol

Huh?
We train Ukrainians to operate and repair the tanks in Germany.

Then we send them back to Ukraine with the tanks.

Americans stay in Germany, where we’ve been for decades.

You really aren’t very smart.

 

[Red Front]

Propaganda is not fact.

The US government doesn’t control media like the corrupt authoritarian Russian government. Just look at how Russia limits internet access to their populace.

Here in America, and in Western Europe, every media outlet that disagrees with the common government narrative of Russia being the aggressor is censored, at best, extremely limited as to what they can say. The Russian government still allows YouTube and many American social media platforms in Russia. There is plenty of opposition in Russia, including foreign NGOs that are funded by the US State Dept and people like George Soros. So your accusation is bullshit.

Everything I said about NATO expansion into Eastern Europe, right to Russia's border, and the 2014 American-led coup, is a fact. Everything I said about the Ukrainian government persecuting Russo-Ukrainians, trying to ban the Russian language and culture, and forcing the people of the Donbas to comply with the demands of a coup in Kiev is a fact. Here is a video of president Zelensky trying to convince the Neo-Nazis to stop shelling the Donbas:

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The response of this Ultranationalist warlord was to laugh in Zelensky's face. All of the Russian-friendly opposition in Ukraine was barred before this war. Their political parties, politicians, media outlets..etc. Whatever was deemed to be Russian-friendly and pro-Russia was labeled "treasonous" .

 

[Marener]

Here in America, and in Western Europe, every media outlet that disagrees with the common government narrative of Russia being the aggressor is censored, at best, extremely limited as to what they can say. The Russian government still allows YouTube and many American social media platforms in Russia. There is plenty of opposition in Russia, including foreign NGOs that are funded by the US State Dept and people like George Soros. So your accusation is bullshit.

Everything I said about NATO expansion into Eastern Europe, right to Russia's border, and the 2014 American-led coup, is a fact. Everything I said about the Ukrainian government persecuting Russo-Ukrainians, trying to ban the Russian language and culture, and forcing the people of the Donbas to comply with the demands of a coup in Kiev is a fact. Here is a video of president Zelensky trying to convince the Neo-Nazis to stop shelling the Donbas:

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The response of this Ultranationalist warlord was to laugh in Zelensky's face. All of the Russian-friendly opposition in Ukraine was barred before this war. Their political parties, politicians, media outlets..etc. Whatever was deemed to be Russian-friendly and pro-Russia was labeled "treasonous" .

The US government doesn’t silence anyone from proclaiming their love of Russia and making a fool of themselves by declaring Russia to be innocent and acting in self defense (by invading another country). You may find yourself lonely and without friends, but that’s not censorship. That’s just the consequences of saying foolish things.

Meanwhile in Russia, they arrest you for even calling it a war, not to mention declaring opposition to it.

People in Ukraine who seek to help Russians in their efforts to take Ukraine by force are indeed guilty of treason. It’s the definition of the word.

 

[Failzero]

Huh?
We train Ukrainians to operate and repair the tanks in Germany.

Then we send them back to Ukraine with the tanks.

Americans stay in Germany, where we’ve been for decades.

You really aren’t very smart.

So if a tank needs more extensive repair it goes back to Germany ? Or if it needs tech repairs that are beyond the ability of the Ukrainian Techs then it goes back to Germany ?

 

[Marener]

So if a tank needs more extensive repair it goes back to Germany ? Or if it needs tech repairs that are beyond the ability of the Ukrainian Techs then it goes back to Germany ?

Possibly. Or it’s just not used anymore which seems more likely to me.

 

[Red Front]

The US government doesn’t silence anyone from proclaiming their love of Russia and making a fool of themselves by declaring Russia to be innocent and acting in self defense (by invading another country). You may find yourself lonely and without friends, but that’s not censorship. That’s just the consequences of saying foolish things.

Meanwhile in Russia, they arrest you for even calling it a war, not to mention declaring opposition to it.

People in Ukraine who seek to help Russians in their efforts to take Ukraine by force are indeed guilty of treason. It’s the definition of the word.

The West banned RT news, way before Russia began closing independent political media in Russia, that is funded by Western governments. Even today there remains media in Russia that opposes the war and American social media hasn't been banned from Russia. In Ukraine, before the war, there was plenty of censorship against any political opposition that was Russian-friendly. Television and radio stations in Ukraine deemed "pro-Russian" were labeled treasonous. The Kiev coup regime under both Petro Poroshenko and Zelensky supported banning the Russian language and pushing Russo-Ukrainians out of Ukraine, trying to force them to migrate to Russia.

Anyways, you ignore all of the warnings given by Russia about NATO expansion into Eastern Europe and its deployment on Russia's border. You ignore the facts about the 2014 coup that was led by the US:

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The above video has been censored by YouTube. In our Western society here in the US, private social-media companies have an immense amount of control over information and its dissemination. Even though they're private corporations, they're under the sway and influence of our government, that's why Oliver Stone's documentary and other producers have been essentially banned or very constrained as to what they can present on social media. If you open a page right now that is pro-Russian on Facebook, it will be flagged and likely closed down.

 

[Marener]

The West banned RT news, way before Russia began closing independent political media in Russia, that is funded by Western governments. Even today there remains media in Russia that opposes the war and American social media hasn't been banned from Russia. In Ukraine, before the war, there was plenty of censorship against any political opposition that was Russian-friendly. Television and radio stations in Ukraine deemed "pro-Russian" were labeled treasonous. The Kiev coup regime under both Petro Poroshenko and Zelensky supported banning the Russian language and pushing Russo-Ukrainians out of Ukraine, trying to force them to migrate to Russia.

Anyways, you ignore all of the warnings given by Russia about NATO expansion into Eastern Europe and its deployment on Russia's border. You ignore the facts about the 2014 coup that was led by the US:

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The above video has been censored by YouTube. In our Western society here in the US, private social-media companies have an immense amount of control over information and its dissemination. Even though they're private corporations, they're under the sway and influence of our government, that's why Oliver Stone's documentary and other producers have been essentially banned or very constrained as to what they can present on social media. If you open a page right now that is pro-Russian on Facebook, it will be flagged and likely closed down.

RT news isn’t banned. I just went to their website. Took 5 seconds. Still there. Not banned. If you want to espouse Russian propaganda, you are free to do so. No one will jail you. But don’t expect FaceBook or YouTube or anyone else to help you.

Meanwhile the Russian government banned instagram and arrest people who say what they don’t like.

 

[Red Front]

CIA agents admit to who controls the US media:





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[Litwin]

Ukrainians are more authoritarian

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