U.S. Marines test all-male squads against mixed-gender squads: Results are bleak

[SwimExpert]

I think if the woman is equal to the man in strength, shooting etc, and she wants to be on the front line she should be allowed, but IF she is not as strong, not as accurate with her shooting as all of her male counterparts then she should NOT be on the front line...

why does it half to be ALL or NOTHING?

Even if a certain female was strong enough to compare the average male and do all the things asked, could she still whip out an appendage and pee standing up, on the go, like a man can? No, she can't. A female has to stop and complete disrobe below the waste and find somewhere to squat in private to pee, and that can hold people up when time can be very important to staying alive.

Women shouldn't be in combat, period, end of story. Support roles, yes, combat, no.

Dear god that was stupid.

You seriously mean to suggest that in a combat situation, male soldiers and Marines whip it out to take a leak? Perhaps, they point it to the side and go on the....go?

Oh, and are you even remotely familiar with their uniforms? A quick pull down to the knees and squat is probably faster than trying to fumble with fly buttons, then pulling your little thing between the boxer window, then tucking it safely back inside and rebuttoning up again.

 

[koshergrl]

Npr has a Muslim bias. They readily admit it, so they like stuff that paints women as inferiors. In this case, they happen to have it right. Women make inferior soldiers.

 

[007]

You seriously mean to suggest that in a combat situation, male soldiers and Marines whip it out to take a leak?

NO... THEY PUT A CLAMP ON IT AND CHOKE IT OFF UNTIL THEIR BLADDERS BURST.

What a STUPID fucking question. What do you THINK they do?

Are you seriously going to try and tell everyone that having to take the time finding a private place, taking off full combat gear and then having to pull everything down to squat to piss and then having to put everything back on is just as fast if not FASTER than just WHIPPING OUT A DICK AND PISSING WHERE EVER without having to do ANY OF THAT?

HOW FUCKING STUPID ARE YOU?

 

[nuhuh]

Why test a mixed gender Marine unit against an all male Marine unit?

That's not who they'd ever be fighting against.

I would pay serious money to see a bull dyke Marine take on Obiwan, Rabbi, or Koshergrl, in hand to hand combat. The amusement value alone would boost troop morale.

 

[koshergrl]

You seriously mean to suggest that in a combat situation, male soldiers and Marines whip it out to take a leak?

NO... THEY PUT A CLAMP ON IT AND CHOKE IT OFF UNTIL THEIR BLADDERS BURST.

What a STUPID fucking question. What do you THINK they do?

Are you seriously going to try and tell everyone that having to take the time finding a private place, taking off full combat gear and then having to pull everything down to squat to piss and then having to put everything back on is just as fast if not FASTER than just WHIPPING OUT A DICK AND PISSING WHERE EVER without having to do ANY OF THAT?

HOW FUCKING STUPID ARE YOU?

Pretty fucking stupid.

 

[bripat9643]

Anyone truly surprised ?
It won't matter at all though, we don't fight wars to win anyway.

The US Marines tested all-male squads against mixed-gender ones, and the results were pretty bleak

In 2013, the US military lifted its ban on women serving in combat. Shortly after, the Marine Corps began what it calls an “unprecedented research effort” to understand the impact of gender integration on its combat forces. That took the form of a year-long experiment called the Ground Combat Element Integrated Task Force, in which 400 Marines—100 of them female—trained for combat together and then undertook a simulated deployment, with every facet of their experience measured and scrutinized.

All branches of the military are facing a January 1, 2016, deadline to open all combat roles to women. The Marine Corps is using this experiment to decide whether to request exceptions to that mandate.The Corps’ summary of the experiment, posted online today by NPR, concludes that combat teams were less effective when they included women.

Overall, the report says, all-male teams and crews outperformed mixed-gender ones on 93 out of 134 tasks evaluated. All-male teams were universally faster “in each tactical movement.” On “lethality,” the report says:

All-male 0311 (rifleman) infantry squads had better accuracy compared to gender-integrated squads. There was a notable difference between genders for every individual weapons system (i.e. M4, M27, and M203) within the 0311 squads, except for the probability of hit & near miss with the M4.

And:

All-male infantry crew-served weapons teams engaged targets quicker and registered more hits on target as compared to gender-integrated infantry crew-served weapons teams, with the exception of M2 accuracy.

And:

All-male squads, teams and crews and gender-integrated squads, teams, and crews had a noticeable difference in their performance of the basic combat tasks of negotiating obstacles and evacuating casualties. For example, when negotiating the wall obstacle, male Marines threw their packs to the top of the wall, whereas female Marines required regular assistance in getting their packs to the top. During casualty evacuation assessments, there were notable differences in execution times between all-male and gender-integrated groups, except in the case where teams conducted a casualty evacuation as a one-Marine fireman’s carry of another (in which case it was most often a male Marine who “evacuated” the casualty)

The report also says that female Marines had higher rates of injury throughout the experiment.

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Such conclusions may be disheartening to proponents of gender integration in combat, and certainly put a damper on the news that the Army’s ranger school recently graduated its first female soldiers. The tests come with at least one important caveat: As the Marine Corps Times notes, many of of the male study participants had previously served in combat units, whereas female participants, by necessity, came directly from infantry schools or from noncombat jobs.

The US Marines tested all-male squads against mixed-gender ones, and the results were pretty bleak

Interesting on the accuracy measurements.....I wonder if that could be trained out.

The chances of that are about as good as women becoming as good as men at killing spiders or fixing a flat tire.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

Weird that this thread got moved to POLITICS.

 

[koshergrl]

Why test a mixed gender Marine unit against an all male Marine unit?

That's not who they'd ever be fighting against.

I would pay serious money to see a bull dyke Marine take on Obiwan, Rabbi, or Koshergrl, in hand to hand combat. The amusement value alone would boost troop morale.

But whether or not they can toss grammas is irrelevant. The discussion is how valuable are they in the field...and the answer is...they're a liability.

 

[Obiwan]

I think if the woman is equal to the man in strength, shooting etc, and she wants to be on the front line she should be allowed, but IF she is not as strong, not as accurate with her shooting as all of her male counterparts then she should NOT be on the front line...

why does it half to be ALL or NOTHING?

So you agree with physical standards, right?

 

[koshergrl]

Weird that this thread got moved to POLITICS.

Yeah well you know how that goes when they leave idiots in charge..m

 

[Obiwan]

Why test a mixed gender Marine unit against an all male Marine unit?

That's not who they'd ever be fighting against.

But it's an interesting concept that works for the Kurds.... If ISIS gets killed by a woman, no virgins...

Want to discuss that???

 

[nuhuh]

Why test a mixed gender Marine unit against an all male Marine unit?

That's not who they'd ever be fighting against.

I would pay serious money to see a bull dyke Marine take on Obiwan, Rabbi, or Koshergrl, in hand to hand combat. The amusement value alone would boost troop morale.

But whether or not they can toss grammas is irrelevant. The discussion is how valuable are they in the field...and the answer is...they're a liability.

yeah, but you know I am just kidding I hope.

 

[Obiwan]

Why test a mixed gender Marine unit against an all male Marine unit?

That's not who they'd ever be fighting against.

I would pay serious money to see a bull dyke Marine take on Obiwan, Rabbi, or Koshergrl, in hand to hand combat. The amusement value alone would boost troop morale.

I would give money to see Obama face one...

Oh, wait...

Obama married Bigfoot.

 

[JQPublic1]

Anyone truly surprised ?
It won't matter at all though, we don't fight wars to win anyway.

The US Marines tested all-male squads against mixed-gender ones, and the results were pretty bleak

In 2013, the US military lifted its ban on women serving in combat. Shortly after, the Marine Corps began what it calls an “unprecedented research effort” to understand the impact of gender integration on its combat forces. That took the form of a year-long experiment called the Ground Combat Element Integrated Task Force, in which 400 Marines—100 of them female—trained for combat together and then undertook a simulated deployment, with every facet of their experience measured and scrutinized.

All branches of the military are facing a January 1, 2016, deadline to open all combat roles to women. The Marine Corps is using this experiment to decide whether to request exceptions to that mandate.The Corps’ summary of the experiment, posted online today by NPR, concludes that combat teams were less effective when they included women.

Overall, the report says, all-male teams and crews outperformed mixed-gender ones on 93 out of 134 tasks evaluated. All-male teams were universally faster “in each tactical movement.” On “lethality,” the report says:

All-male 0311 (rifleman) infantry squads had better accuracy compared to gender-integrated squads. There was a notable difference between genders for every individual weapons system (i.e. M4, M27, and M203) within the 0311 squads, except for the probability of hit & near miss with the M4.

And:

All-male infantry crew-served weapons teams engaged targets quicker and registered more hits on target as compared to gender-integrated infantry crew-served weapons teams, with the exception of M2 accuracy.

And:

All-male squads, teams and crews and gender-integrated squads, teams, and crews had a noticeable difference in their performance of the basic combat tasks of negotiating obstacles and evacuating casualties. For example, when negotiating the wall obstacle, male Marines threw their packs to the top of the wall, whereas female Marines required regular assistance in getting their packs to the top. During casualty evacuation assessments, there were notable differences in execution times between all-male and gender-integrated groups, except in the case where teams conducted a casualty evacuation as a one-Marine fireman’s carry of another (in which case it was most often a male Marine who “evacuated” the casualty)

The report also says that female Marines had higher rates of injury throughout the experiment.

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Such conclusions may be disheartening to proponents of gender integration in combat, and certainly put a damper on the news that the Army’s ranger school recently graduated its first female soldiers. The tests come with at least one important caveat: As the Marine Corps Times notes, many of of the male study participants had previously served in combat units, whereas female participants, by necessity, came directly from infantry schools or from noncombat jobs.

The US Marines tested all-male squads against mixed-gender ones, and the results were pretty bleak

Interesting on the accuracy measurements.....I wonder if that could be trained out.

Doubtful. SWAT teams rarely include females and it's for the same reaoson....they don't shoot as well. They have smaller weaker hands. Accurate shooting requires many things...but a firm strong grip is crucial, especially with combat weapons (sniper rifles much different...women can easily do that just as well).

Pistols, shotguns, AR15....women almost never shoot as well and no amount of training will grow their hands to be larger and stronger.

Well, save money and buy smaller weapons or make them smaller for women. But with ground war becoming obsolete due to drones and other technologies, even men may no longer be needed in ground combat situations

 

[Obiwan]

Why test a mixed gender Marine unit against an all male Marine unit?

That's not who they'd ever be fighting against.

I would pay serious money to see a bull dyke Marine take on Obiwan, Rabbi, or Koshergrl, in hand to hand combat. The amusement value alone would boost troop morale.

But whether or not they can toss grammas is irrelevant. The discussion is how valuable are they in the field...and the answer is...they're a liability.

yeah, but you know I am just kidding I hope.

Are you, on a head-to-head?

 

[deltex1]

Anyone truly surprised ?
It won't matter at all though, we don't fight wars to win anyway.

The US Marines tested all-male squads against mixed-gender ones, and the results were pretty bleak

In 2013, the US military lifted its ban on women serving in combat. Shortly after, the Marine Corps began what it calls an “unprecedented research effort” to understand the impact of gender integration on its combat forces. That took the form of a year-long experiment called the Ground Combat Element Integrated Task Force, in which 400 Marines—100 of them female—trained for combat together and then undertook a simulated deployment, with every facet of their experience measured and scrutinized.

All branches of the military are facing a January 1, 2016, deadline to open all combat roles to women. The Marine Corps is using this experiment to decide whether to request exceptions to that mandate.The Corps’ summary of the experiment, posted online today by NPR, concludes that combat teams were less effective when they included women.

Overall, the report says, all-male teams and crews outperformed mixed-gender ones on 93 out of 134 tasks evaluated. All-male teams were universally faster “in each tactical movement.” On “lethality,” the report says:

All-male 0311 (rifleman) infantry squads had better accuracy compared to gender-integrated squads. There was a notable difference between genders for every individual weapons system (i.e. M4, M27, and M203) within the 0311 squads, except for the probability of hit & near miss with the M4.

And:

All-male infantry crew-served weapons teams engaged targets quicker and registered more hits on target as compared to gender-integrated infantry crew-served weapons teams, with the exception of M2 accuracy.

And:

All-male squads, teams and crews and gender-integrated squads, teams, and crews had a noticeable difference in their performance of the basic combat tasks of negotiating obstacles and evacuating casualties. For example, when negotiating the wall obstacle, male Marines threw their packs to the top of the wall, whereas female Marines required regular assistance in getting their packs to the top. During casualty evacuation assessments, there were notable differences in execution times between all-male and gender-integrated groups, except in the case where teams conducted a casualty evacuation as a one-Marine fireman’s carry of another (in which case it was most often a male Marine who “evacuated” the casualty)

The report also says that female Marines had higher rates of injury throughout the experiment.

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Such conclusions may be disheartening to proponents of gender integration in combat, and certainly put a damper on the news that the Army’s ranger school recently graduated its first female soldiers. The tests come with at least one important caveat: As the Marine Corps Times notes, many of of the male study participants had previously served in combat units, whereas female participants, by necessity, came directly from infantry schools or from noncombat jobs.

The US Marines tested all-male squads against mixed-gender ones, and the results were pretty bleak

It's hard to maneuver when it's hard.

 

[Obiwan]

Anyone truly surprised ?
It won't matter at all though, we don't fight wars to win anyway.

The US Marines tested all-male squads against mixed-gender ones, and the results were pretty bleak

In 2013, the US military lifted its ban on women serving in combat. Shortly after, the Marine Corps began what it calls an “unprecedented research effort” to understand the impact of gender integration on its combat forces. That took the form of a year-long experiment called the Ground Combat Element Integrated Task Force, in which 400 Marines—100 of them female—trained for combat together and then undertook a simulated deployment, with every facet of their experience measured and scrutinized.

All branches of the military are facing a January 1, 2016, deadline to open all combat roles to women. The Marine Corps is using this experiment to decide whether to request exceptions to that mandate.The Corps’ summary of the experiment, posted online today by NPR, concludes that combat teams were less effective when they included women.

Overall, the report says, all-male teams and crews outperformed mixed-gender ones on 93 out of 134 tasks evaluated. All-male teams were universally faster “in each tactical movement.” On “lethality,” the report says:

All-male 0311 (rifleman) infantry squads had better accuracy compared to gender-integrated squads. There was a notable difference between genders for every individual weapons system (i.e. M4, M27, and M203) within the 0311 squads, except for the probability of hit & near miss with the M4.

And:

All-male infantry crew-served weapons teams engaged targets quicker and registered more hits on target as compared to gender-integrated infantry crew-served weapons teams, with the exception of M2 accuracy.

And:

All-male squads, teams and crews and gender-integrated squads, teams, and crews had a noticeable difference in their performance of the basic combat tasks of negotiating obstacles and evacuating casualties. For example, when negotiating the wall obstacle, male Marines threw their packs to the top of the wall, whereas female Marines required regular assistance in getting their packs to the top. During casualty evacuation assessments, there were notable differences in execution times between all-male and gender-integrated groups, except in the case where teams conducted a casualty evacuation as a one-Marine fireman’s carry of another (in which case it was most often a male Marine who “evacuated” the casualty)

The report also says that female Marines had higher rates of injury throughout the experiment.

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Such conclusions may be disheartening to proponents of gender integration in combat, and certainly put a damper on the news that the Army’s ranger school recently graduated its first female soldiers. The tests come with at least one important caveat: As the Marine Corps Times notes, many of of the male study participants had previously served in combat units, whereas female participants, by necessity, came directly from infantry schools or from noncombat jobs.

The US Marines tested all-male squads against mixed-gender ones, and the results were pretty bleak

Interesting on the accuracy measurements.....I wonder if that could be trained out.

Doubtful. SWAT teams rarely include females and it's for the same reaoson....they don't shoot as well. They have smaller weaker hands. Accurate shooting requires many things...but a firm strong grip is crucial, especially with combat weapons (sniper rifles much different...women can easily do that just as well).

Pistols, shotguns, AR15....women almost never shoot as well and no amount of training will grow their hands to be larger and stronger.

Well, save money and buy smaller weapons or make them smaller for women. But with ground war becoming obsolete due to drones and other technologies, even men may no longer be needed in ground combat situations

So you want to go with inaccurate weapons, as apposed to direct fire, and increased civilian casualties?

How undemocratic..
.

Are you a war criminal?

 

[nuhuh]

Hollywood is hard at work trying to keep the myth alive. They signed Ronda Rousey to do a remake of "Roadhouse" and to play the Patrick Swayze part.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Funny thing is, if I was going to wage war I'd send young men to die in droves as young women are far too valuable. Less crime, more sex and babies. Winner winner, chicken dinner. Godspeed, boys...

 

[Obiwan]

Hollywood is hard at work trying to keep the myth alive. They signed Ronda Rousey to do a remake of "Roadhouse" and to play the Patrick Swayze part.

Face it...

If a woman is the physical equal of a man, OK.....

Pack a load...

Keep up...

Move out...

Hit targets and keep moving without endangering the mission...

If they can, OK....

But the standards are high, and NO BREAKS, or men die!!!!