U.S.: Syria used chemical weapons, crossing "red line"

[NightFox]

Absolutely no strategic value in Assad using Chemical Weapons. It didn't happen. They've been pushing that 'Chemical Attack' meme since War began over there. It's a convenient excuse for more War. Nothing like an ole WMD accusation to work the sheep into a frenzy. They'll keep pushing this until they see a shift in poll numbers supporting their useless War. Expect the propaganda to get pretty thick from the Government/Media Complex. Stay tuned.

Actually there would be a strategic value for Assad to utilize chemical weapons, to terrorize his opposition and the civilian populace, on the flip side it would be incredibly short sighted given the risk that the United States would get involved in the Syrian Civil War on the side of the opposition. Given that it's hard to believe that Assad would take the risk and even harder to believe that his Russian backers would green light it.

Doesn't really matter though, it doesn't justify the United States murdering even more Syrians in "retaliation".

Chemical Weapons were not used by Assad. I'm very confident in making that assertion. It's a No-Win for him. He knows that. No strategic value in it. It's just another War Propaganda sham. Gotta get the sheep in line to support another War. WMD accusations seem to accomplish that quite nicely. More critical thinking needs to take place in situations like this. When you really think about, you quickly realize it serves no purpose for Assad to use Chemical Weapons. It just didn't happen.

You might be confident in making that assertion but it's based on purely circumstantial evidence, the fact of the matter is NOBODY here knows for certain (and it doesn't appear that anybody in Washington does either), this could have been many things including a rogue commander in the Syrian military, a false flag attack by the opposition or Assad going off the deep end.

The bottom line is that even in the most unlikely of scenarios (Assad going off the deep end) the American People should NOT let the miscreants in Washington sucker us into a situation that our government is murdering even more people in Syria, it's bad enough that the criminals in government are already arming the "rebels".

 

[Richard-H]

If Syria (or whoever used the chemical weapons in Syria), goes unpunished, it means that the use of chemical weapons will most likely be used in conflicts all over the world. This is the real issue.

Chemical Weapons Convention - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Does a failure to retaliate mean that the Chemical Weapons Convention is dead?

Since when do liberals give a shit about dictators using chemical weapons on their own people?

Geez, do you have to politicize everything? It really makes you sound like a politically brainwashed A-hole!!

This issue really isn't about liberals vs. Conservatives. Try looking past that for a change.

 

[Richard-H]

I am not convinced that the Syrian Army used them either. I hope that there is a very unbiased and professional investigation before anyone jumps to any conclusions.

Too late. The Obama adminsitration already declared Assad guilty and told the UN inspectors to abort. Even if the UN did conduct its inspection, it would only determine whether or not chem weapons were used, not who used them

Assad is already marked guilty because the PNAC demands it. Obama being a good corportist puppet, is making the architects of that plan very happy. He is doing what he is suppose to do.

Actually there is some evidence that the rebels used the chemical weapons. The type of explosive used to disperse the chemicals wasn't the kind you find in conventional chemical munitions.

That's VERY interesting...do you have a link? Where did you get that info?

 

[paulitician]

Our Government along with some Western Allies, have been pushing this 'Chemical Attack' meme since the War began over there. So you should be very skeptical. And now they're clearly moving the goalposts. Assad invited and allowed the UN in to inspect. And that's obviously frustrating our Government. So now look for them to move those goalposts a bit further. Next they'll claim he cleaned up the scene before the UN got there. The powers-that-be want War. And that's that.

 

[Edgetho]

Too late. The Obama adminsitration already declared Assad guilty and told the UN inspectors to abort. Even if the UN did conduct its inspection, it would only determine whether or not chem weapons were used, not who used them

Assad is already marked guilty because the PNAC demands it. Obama being a good corportist puppet, is making the architects of that plan very happy. He is doing what he is suppose to do.

Actually there is some evidence that the rebels used the chemical weapons. The type of explosive used to disperse the chemicals wasn't the kind you find in conventional chemical munitions.

That's VERY interesting...do you have a link? Where did you get that info?

Do you live under a fucking rock?

Do you get your news from Comedy Central only?

Are you illiterate AND stupid?

The whole fucking world knows that there is suspicion, and some evidence, (I don't use the word 'proof' lightly) that the Rebels gassed an occupied Village.... Except you.

I was going to give you a list of about 20 links but.... fuck you.

Do your own work, moron.

what a fucking douche. instead of engaging in constructive debate, you pull the same tired bullshit every fucking libturd does when confronted with facts... "Can you prove that?" "Do you have a link" "What evidence do you have"

Then when we present the evidence you either criticize the source, "Oh sure, Faux News, they're real reliable" or you run away.

you people are boring. and tedious. and stupid

 

[NightFox]

Actually there is some evidence that the rebels used the chemical weapons. The type of explosive used to disperse the chemicals wasn't the kind you find in conventional chemical munitions.

That's VERY interesting...do you have a link? Where did you get that info?

Do you live under a fucking rock?

Do you get your news from Comedy Central only?

Are you illiterate AND stupid?

The whole fucking world knows that there is suspicion, and some evidence, (I don't use the word 'proof' lightly) that the Rebels gassed an occupied Village.... Except you.

I was going to give you a list of about 20 links but.... fuck you.

Do your own work, moron.

what a fucking douche. instead of engaging in constructive debate, you pull the same tired bullshit every fucking libturd does when confronted with facts... "Can you prove that?" "Do you have a link" "What evidence do you have"

Then when we present the evidence you either criticize the source, "Oh sure, Faux News, they're real reliable" or you run away.

you people are boring. and tedious. and stupid

Whoa Edge, having a bad day?

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Our Government along with some Western Allies, have been pushing this 'Chemical Attack' meme since the War began over there. So you should be very skeptical. And now they're clearly moving the goalposts. Assad invited and allowed the UN in to inspect. And that's obviously frustrating our Government. So now look for them to move those goalposts a bit further. Next they'll claim he cleaned up the scene before the UN got there. The powers-that-be want War. And that's that.

They dont need to. The Obama administration has already told the UN to abort the inspections due to safety concerns as they draw up military action plans.

IN other words, it really doesn't matter whether they used chem weapons or not. Or who even. The target, as per the PNAC, is Syria. How they get there is of little to no consequence.

 

[Katzndogz]

obama does not intend to wait and see what the UN inspectors find. He knows what they are going to find. He knows already that the terrorist rebels have used those chemical weapons.

 

[Jos]

CIA 'helped Saddam Hussein carry out chemical weapons attack on Iran'

Iraq used mustard gas and sarin in early 1988 in four major offensives which helped bring about the end of the eight-year conflict.

During the whole war, up to 20,000 Iranian troops were killed by mustard gas and nerve agents from Iraq and 100,000 were wounded.



They were able to launch the strikes after being given maps, satellite pictures and other intelligence by the U.S.

The Americans have always said that Iraq did not reveal that they would launch chemical strikes.

But documents released in the National Archives and interviews with former serviceman show that the U.S. acquiesced in the use of chemical weapons as they tried to help Saddam with the war

CIA 'helped Saddam Hussein carry out chemical weapons attack on Iran' in 1988 under Ronald Reagan | Mail Online

Scans of documents @ above link

 

[Richard-H]

Actually there is some evidence that the rebels used the chemical weapons. The type of explosive used to disperse the chemicals wasn't the kind you find in conventional chemical munitions.

That's VERY interesting...do you have a link? Where did you get that info?

Do you live under a fucking rock?

Do you get your news from Comedy Central only?

Are you illiterate AND stupid?

The whole fucking world knows that there is suspicion, and some evidence, (I don't use the word 'proof' lightly) that the Rebels gassed an occupied Village.... Except you.

I was going to give you a list of about 20 links but.... fuck you.

Do your own work, moron.

what a fucking douche. instead of engaging in constructive debate, you pull the same tired bullshit every fucking libturd does when confronted with facts... "Can you prove that?" "Do you have a link" "What evidence do you have"

Then when we present the evidence you either criticize the source, "Oh sure, Faux News, they're real reliable" or you run away.

you people are boring. and tedious. and stupid

So your think that everyone is just supposed to accept anything that's posted without question?

Yes, we 'liberals' insist on proof. Your just stating something does not mean it's true.

Conservatives have long lost the the confidence of not only liberals, but of everyone else, in believing what they say is true.

Perhaps if conservatives would form their political belief by investigating the facts first, rather than asserting what they'd like to believe to be true, they could regain that confidence.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

obama does not intend to wait and see what the UN inspectors find. He knows what they are going to find. He knows already that the terrorist rebels have used those chemical weapons.

To be fair (not that I do not agree, or at least am extremely skeptical of this affair) the UN will not determine WHO used chem weapons, only IF they were in fact used. So it's really not an investigation into the most important aspect of this theater. Which only shows just how impotent the UN is anyway.

The guilt has already been placed, because that is what fits the agenda. People have to be deaf, dumb and blind to not see that this was part of the deal all along. Since even before we invaded Iraq. The only thing that makes it different from then to now, is the timetable of operations. It's a bit slower than the over zealous PNAC architects ever imagined. Apparently they were alseep during Reagan's presidency.

 

[Katzndogz]

obama does not intend to wait and see what the UN inspectors find. He knows what they are going to find. He knows already that the terrorist rebels have used those chemical weapons.

To be fair (not that I do not agree, or at least am extremely skeptical of this affair) the UN will not determine WHO used chem weapons, only IF they were in fact used. So it's really not an investigation into the most important aspect of this theater. Which only shows just how impotent the UN is anyway.

The guilt has already been placed, because that is what fits the agenda. People have to be deaf, dumb and blind to not see that this was part of the deal all along. Since even before we invaded Iraq. The only thing that makes it different from then to now, is the timetable of operations. It's a bit slower than the over zealous PNAC architects ever imagined. Apparently they were alseep during Reagan's presidency.

Not quite. There is some evidence of residual gas in the tunnels the terrorists are using. The composition of the residuary would show where the weapons were stored and mixed.

 

[paulitician]

Our Government along with some Western Allies, have been pushing this 'Chemical Attack' meme since the War began over there. So you should be very skeptical. And now they're clearly moving the goalposts. Assad invited and allowed the UN in to inspect. And that's obviously frustrating our Government. So now look for them to move those goalposts a bit further. Next they'll claim he cleaned up the scene before the UN got there. The powers-that-be want War. And that's that.

They dont need to. The Obama administration has already told the UN to abort the inspections due to safety concerns as they draw up military action plans.

IN other words, it really doesn't matter whether they used chem weapons or not. Or who even. The target, as per the PNAC, is Syria. How they get there is of little to no consequence.

Sadly, you are Spot-On. The man invited and allowed the UN in to investigate. But now, that's not good enough. Just moving the goalposts further. They've wanted War with Syria for years. And it looks like they're gonna get it. It's very sad.

 

[blackhawk]

Absolutely no strategic value in Assad using Chemical Weapons. It didn't happen. They've been pushing that 'Chemical Attack' meme since War began over there. It's a convenient excuse for more War. Nothing like an ole WMD accusation to work the sheep into a frenzy. They'll keep pushing this until they see a shift in poll numbers supporting their useless War. Expect the propaganda to get pretty thick from the Government/Media Complex. Stay tuned.

Actually there would be a strategic value for Assad to utilize chemical weapons, to terrorize his opposition and the civilian populace, on the flip side it would be incredibly short sighted given the risk that the United States would get involved in the Syrian Civil War on the side of the opposition. Given that it's hard to believe that Assad would take the risk and even harder to believe that his Russian backers would green light it.

Doesn't really matter though, it doesn't justify the United States murdering even more Syrians in "retaliation".

The risk the U.S. would get involved on the side of the opposition is not that great for Assad there are so many outside groups involved in the opposition now a lot of them Al-Qaeda linked or type groups that siding with them would be no better than Assad staying in power and maybe even worse than Assad keeping control.

 

[Edgetho]

That's VERY interesting...do you have a link? Where did you get that info?

Do you live under a fucking rock?

Do you get your news from Comedy Central only?

Are you illiterate AND stupid?

The whole fucking world knows that there is suspicion, and some evidence, (I don't use the word 'proof' lightly) that the Rebels gassed an occupied Village.... Except you.

I was going to give you a list of about 20 links but.... fuck you.

Do your own work, moron.

what a fucking douche. instead of engaging in constructive debate, you pull the same tired bullshit every fucking libturd does when confronted with facts... "Can you prove that?" "Do you have a link" "What evidence do you have"

Then when we present the evidence you either criticize the source, "Oh sure, Faux News, they're real reliable" or you run away.

you people are boring. and tedious. and stupid

So your think that everyone is just supposed to accept anything that's posted without question?

Yes, we 'liberals' insist on proof. Your just stating something does not mean it's true.

Conservatives have long lost the the confidence of not only liberals, but of everyone else, in believing what they say is true.

Perhaps if conservatives would form their political belief by investigating the facts first, rather than asserting what they'd like to believe to be true, they could regain that confidence.

Again, everybody knows it but you.

Don't turn around too fast, you may find that the world is laughing at you behind your back

 

[ScreamingEagle]

it makes no sense for Assad to draw world condemnation especially when he has the superior military force and no need for such desperate measures....unless he is being encouraged by Iran or Russia to do so...

it does make sense for the rebels....which is why it may have been staged to look like Assad's handiwork....and Obama has decided to declare it so...

it's funny how Obama set up his grossly politically stupid "red line" declaration......then exactly one year later he is declaring that Assad crossed that "red line"....

could we have a more perfectly staged Hood-winking....?

 

[NightFox]

Our Government along with some Western Allies, have been pushing this 'Chemical Attack' meme since the War began over there. So you should be very skeptical. And now they're clearly moving the goalposts. Assad invited and allowed the UN in to inspect. And that's obviously frustrating our Government. So now look for them to move those goalposts a bit further. Next they'll claim he cleaned up the scene before the UN got there. The powers-that-be want War. And that's that.

They dont need to. The Obama administration has already told the UN to abort the inspections due to safety concerns as they draw up military action plans.

IN other words, it really doesn't matter whether they used chem weapons or not. Or who even. The target, as per the PNAC, is Syria. How they get there is of little to no consequence.

Sadly, you are Spot-On. The man invited and allowed the UN in to investigate. But now, that's not good enough. Just moving the goalposts further. They've wanted War with Syria for years. And it looks like they're gonna get it. It's very sad.

You're exactly right on that one, the war hawks have been wanting war with Syria for quite a while and now they have an excuse for it and nobody should be surprised when Iran comes up next on the hit parade. This is exactly the reason Iran wants nukes so desperately since it's become apparent that the only deterrence to the bloodthirsty barbarians in Washington is having nuclear weapons.

 

[paulitician]

it makes no sense for Assad to draw world condemnation especially when he has the superior military force and no need for such desperate measures....unless he is being encouraged by Iran or Russia to do so...

it does make sense for the rebels....which is why it may have been staged to look like Assad's handiwork....and Obama has decided to declare it so...

it's funny how Obama set up his grossly politically stupid "red line" declaration......then exactly one year later he is declaring that Assad crossed that "red line"....

could we have a more perfectly staged Hood-winking....?

Gotta get the sheep in line to support another useless War. WMD accusations seem to accomplish that quite nicely. It's all Bullshot. They wanted War, and not they have it. It's as simple as that.

 

[paulitician]

They dont need to. The Obama administration has already told the UN to abort the inspections due to safety concerns as they draw up military action plans.

IN other words, it really doesn't matter whether they used chem weapons or not. Or who even. The target, as per the PNAC, is Syria. How they get there is of little to no consequence.

Sadly, you are Spot-On. The man invited and allowed the UN in to investigate. But now, that's not good enough. Just moving the goalposts further. They've wanted War with Syria for years. And it looks like they're gonna get it. It's very sad.

You're exactly right on that one, the war hawks have been wanting war with Syria for quite a while and now they have an excuse for it and nobody should be surprised when Iran comes up next on the hit parade. This is exactly the reason Iran wants nukes so desperately since it's become apparent that the only deterrence to the bloodthirsty barbarians in Washington is having nuclear weapons.

Joining the Nuclear Weapons Club just makes sense these days. It's the only real deterrent you have. Iran knows that.

 

[Katzndogz]

obama has so little credibility that he might not be able to get the sheep in line to support his war of Islamic domination.

Is there anything obama could say, or that Kerry could say that would persuade you that bombing Syria was a correct course of action?