Uh-ooohh Spaghettios... the US in ten year cooling trend?

[CrusaderFrank]

Jesus Christ, do you even know the difference between analog and digital?

Yes I do.

And when it comes to digita who is calibrating it?

That's an issue I run into in my line of work. When everything was analog, folks understood things getting out of alignment, components altering over time, adjustments being required. But with digital kit, a lot of folks think everything is perfect and fixed. Of course digital fails even more often than analog and in a wider assortment of manners. And then there's the point that any sort of sensor is simply going to be an analog instrument with a digital controller and a digital human interface.

Hell. almost all out side company's don't have the OEM software and just put a sticker on it and claim it is ISO certified

Then you should report them to the ISO.

they don't really even understand P.I.D and charge $5,000

You work with PID controllers? That's a good field.

Its just like electricity, we still don't understand it we measure electricity with electricity( a multi meter) and I have seen some weird shlt with electric A/C and D/C drives

I think we have a pretty good handle on electricity. I have also seen some weird shit, but I never thought it was because weird shit was actually happening. It's simply because something's flakey with the SUT or our test equipment that WE don't understand.

The difference between you and I, my life every day at work depends on questioning technology and science and always double checking.

I don't believe we've ever spoken before. Am I wrong? Do you know what I do for a living?

You just have a Faith.

I am actually one rather unlikely to "just have a Faith".

In the past that the earth warmed up a half a degree.

Since 1750, the Earth has warmed approximately 1.0C (1.4F). That number is extremely well established.

Plots like this are calculated from numerous temperature readings taken from around the world - land and sea - by hundreds or even thousands of different people. The measurements are carefully selected for accuracy and reliability and carefully calibrated where both necessary and possible. You are not the only person who has noted the vagaries of taking temperature measurements.

the earth has been warming up since 1750?

Now you are flat out lying, I have seen a lot of bullshit on the internet, but you win for propaganda of the past 20 years in manufactured data.

Crick hears that a lot

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Thermometric devices were first built in the 1500s. By 1750, mercury in glass thermometers of reasonable quality were widespread. Aside from that data, substantial quantities and varieties of proxy data are available from that period.

How accurate were these first thermometers?

Even as recently as 1950 were we really measuring to the nearest tenth?

 

[Wyatt earp]

It's blind Faith crick, I am so grateful you don't work in a manufacturing plant ... Because you would of produced bad parts, or got hurt

I am an engineer. I have worked for the US Navy and NATO for over 30 years. I test the accuracy of sensor systems (sonar, radar, laser rangers, fire control systems, optical sights, ring laser gyros, etc, etc, etc) on surface ships, submarines, fixed and rotor wing aircraft of the NATO member nation navies. I think we could treat each other as equals regarding most technical knowledge.

I respect that, so you should know the advances in technology the past forty years? I am baffled?

 

[Crick]

At what? Rejecting AGW is the unexpected position. Accepting the word of better than 95% of the world's scientists is as mainstream as mainstream can get. There is no question among the world's climate scientists today that the world is getting warmer and that human emission of greenhouse gases is the primary cause.

 

[Wyatt earp]

I don't get it from a military person.

 

[Crick]

I thought you were opposed to people making scientific decisions based on politics.

 

[Wyatt earp]

At what? Rejecting AGW is the unexpected position. Accepting the word of better than 95% of the world's scientists is as mainstream as mainstream can get. There is no question among the world's climate scientists today that the world is getting warmer and that human emission of greenhouse gases is the primary cause.

now you are sounding like a child using that 97% claim

Didn't the military teach you anything?

 

[Crick]

What do you mean?

 

[Wyatt earp]

Of course I am I want politics out of it


And just the truth...

 

[Crick]

At what? Rejecting AGW is the unexpected position. Accepting the word of better than 95% of the world's scientists is as mainstream as mainstream can get. There is no question among the world's climate scientists today that the world is getting warmer and that human emission of greenhouse gases is the primary cause.

now you are sounding like a child using that 97% claim

Didn't the military teach you anything?

What do you mean?

 

[Wyatt earp]

What do I mean?


I want balance,

 

[Crick]

???

 

[Wyatt earp]

What do you want crick?

What's your goal?

You and I both know you can't stop it. So what's the goal?

 

[Crick]

I know that WE CAN stop it. It would have been a lot easier if we'd started in earnest 20 years ago, but it's still possible.
My goal is keep my children and their children and their children from living in a world of hurt. I should have thought that was obvious. That's what drives everyone concerned with this issue. We're constantly accused of being socialists and liberals either seeking power or trying to destroy the world. That's not just wrong, it's STUPID wrong. Don't you care about your children?

 

[Old Rocks]

At what? Rejecting AGW is the unexpected position. Accepting the word of better than 95% of the world's scientists is as mainstream as mainstream can get. There is no question among the world's climate scientists today that the world is getting warmer and that human emission of greenhouse gases is the primary cause.

now you are sounding like a child using that 97% claim

Didn't the military teach you anything?

The why the fuck do you not use google scholar and read the reports that the scientists write. Do you actually prefer the rants of an obese junkie on the AM radio? The nonsense of an undegreed ex-TV weatherman?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

At what? Rejecting AGW is the unexpected position. Accepting the word of better than 95% of the world's scientists is as mainstream as mainstream can get. There is no question among the world's climate scientists today that the world is getting warmer and that human emission of greenhouse gases is the primary cause.

The "95%" figure has been debunked

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I know that WE CAN stop it. It would have been a lot easier if we'd started in earnest 20 years ago, but it's still possible.
My goal is keep my children and their children and their children from living in a world of hurt. I should have thought that was obvious. That's what drives everyone concerned with this issue. We're constantly accused of being socialists and liberals either seeking power or trying to destroy the world. That's not just wrong, it's STUPID wrong. Don't you care about your children?

What can we "Stop"????????

 

[Wyatt earp]

I know that WE CAN stop it. It would have been a lot easier if we'd started in earnest 20 years ago, but it's still possible.
My goal is keep my children and their children and their children from living in a world of hurt. I should have thought that was obvious. That's what drives everyone concerned with this issue. We're constantly accused of being socialists and liberals either seeking power or trying to destroy the world. That's not just wrong, it's STUPID wrong. Don't you care about your children?

What can we "Stop"????????

Frank these two remind me of old hippies, now they are claiming the earth is a disaster and had to be stoped 20 years ago.....


I got so scared and had to go outside and see for myself.

Nope it's still the same as it was in July 4th 1976

 

[Crick]

Bear,

you're not actually familiar with any of the arguments re global warming, are you.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Bear,

you're not actually familiar with any of the arguments re global warming, are you.

way more then you, I am just going to your level, just to make fun of your type .