UK puts gay guy on £50 banknote

[Blues Man]

New Alan Turing £50 note enters circulation

The old £50 and £20 banknotes will be withdrawn by October next year, the Bank of England says.

www.bbc.com

Alan Turing gets on the £50 banknotes, the guy was persecuted for being gay, even though he was a national hero. How the UK was back then, and some countries are today.

No. No-one was "persecuted" for being gay - he was persecuted for breaking the law (at the time) which was committing lewd homosexual acts.

Contrary to this popular myth, being gay has never been illegal. Shagging your own sex was criminal, though. There's a difference.

A distinction without a difference.

Not quite.

For example :

It's legal to be attracted to children.
It's illegal to act on it.

Again, I'm not saying the law was correct but if you can't recognise the distinction then that's up to you.

There is a distinction between your internal state and the physical activities that express that internal state. But it is the physical activities that are the essence of "Being", not how you feel or think.

You can think and feel you are President of the United States. But that doesn't make you the President of the United States.

The distinction is between the subjective internal "awareness", very limited awareness at that, an the objective and physical reality of action and objects. The distinction is that BEING gay is a collection of actions. There is a huge difference between "feeling" and "being".

Thinking about killing someone doesn't make you a murderer. Actually murdering someone is what makes you a murderer. Making killing a person illegal, making the act that defines a killer illegal, makes being a murderer illegal.

Again, the measure of reality is the objects and actions, not how you feel. It is illegal to be a murderer. Thinking about killing someone doesn't make you a murderer, it is the action.

But it seems you can be arrested and imprisoned for thinking about or talking about things

Thought Crimes: The Case of the Cannibal Cop

.mw-parser-output .hatnote{font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output div.hatnote{padding-left:1.6em;margin-bottom:0.5em}.mw-parser-output .hatnote i{font-st

en.wikiredia.com

 

[Scottish_Brexiteer_UK]

New Alan Turing £50 note enters circulation

The old £50 and £20 banknotes will be withdrawn by October next year, the Bank of England says.

www.bbc.com

Alan Turing gets on the £50 banknotes, the guy was persecuted for being gay, even though he was a national hero. How the UK was back then, and some countries are today.

No. No-one was "persecuted" for being gay - he was persecuted for breaking the law (at the time) which was committing lewd homosexual acts.

Contrary to this popular myth, being gay has never been illegal. Shagging your own sex was criminal, though. There's a difference.

A distinction without a difference.

Not quite.

For example :

It's legal to be attracted to children.
It's illegal to act on it.

Again, I'm not saying the law was correct but if you can't recognise the distinction then that's up to you.

There is a distinction between your internal state and the physical activities that express that internal state. But it is the physical activities that are the essence of "Being", not how you feel or think.

You can think and feel you are President of the United States. But that doesn't make you the President of the United States.

The distinction is between the subjective internal "awareness", very limited awareness at that, an the objective and physical reality of action and objects. The distinction is that BEING gay is a collection of actions. There is a huge difference between "feeling" and "being".

Thinking about killing someone doesn't make you a murderer. Actually murdering someone is what makes you a murderer. Making killing a person illegal, making the act that defines a killer illegal, makes being a murderer illegal.

Again, the measure of reality is the objects and actions, not how you feel. It is illegal to be a murderer. Thinking about killing someone doesn't make you a murderer, it is the action.

Being gay is not "a collection of actions" lol - I've read some nonsense on here but that's up there. You are over-thinking something very simple and over-complicating what being a homosexual actually is.

It's interesting that you lay out just because someone thinks they are something doesn't make you it (your example was the president of the United States) - do you afford the same logic to the ones in the LGBTQ+ movement who decide they are the alternative sex, or non-binary, or a Great White Shark that just so happens to have a job and sleeps in a bed etc rather than in the sea?

So if you're attracted to man, but never had sexual intercourse with a man then you're not really gay as being gay is "a collection of actions" - your words.

 

[miketx]

Queer as a L50 dollar bill.

 

[Dekster]

New Alan Turing £50 note enters circulation

The old £50 and £20 banknotes will be withdrawn by October next year, the Bank of England says.

www.bbc.com

Alan Turing gets on the £50 banknotes, the guy was persecuted for being gay, even though he was a national hero. How the UK was back then, and some countries are today.

It is about time the UK gets with the program. We have had Lincoln on money and stamps forevah

 

[Likkmee]

New Alan Turing £50 note enters circulation

The old £50 and £20 banknotes will be withdrawn by October next year, the Bank of England says.

www.bbc.com

Alan Turing gets on the £50 banknotes, the guy was persecuted for being gay, even though he was a national hero. How the UK was back then, and some countries are today.

It is about time the UK gets with the program. We have had Lincoln on money and stamps forevah

So does that mean that the UkK should "Lincoln" Peaches ?

 

[itfitzme]

New Alan Turing £50 note enters circulation

The old £50 and £20 banknotes will be withdrawn by October next year, the Bank of England says.

www.bbc.com

Alan Turing gets on the £50 banknotes, the guy was persecuted for being gay, even though he was a national hero. How the UK was back then, and some countries are today.

No. No-one was "persecuted" for being gay - he was persecuted for breaking the law (at the time) which was committing lewd homosexual acts.

Contrary to this popular myth, being gay has never been illegal. Shagging your own sex was criminal, though. There's a difference.

Um, yeah, those are the same thing. "Being"......

See, seems like you are confusing feelings, your internal state of mind, as being a thing on the same level as objects and actions in physical reality.

"Being" isn't an internal state. "Being" is a collection of objects and action. You aren't a baseball player because you sit on the couch watching people play baseball and thinking about how hitting a ball and running around bases. What makes one a baseball player is the physical and observable activities of being on a team, in the batting order, wearing a baseball mitt, hitting a ball, running around the bases, catching flyballs, tagging runners, and all of the activities and objects that are part of what is a baseball player.

Yes, laws that make the activities that are what a gay person does in a personal relationship with a gay partner is making being gay illegal.

So if you're gay and a virgin, then you're not a real gay because simply being gay and having gay sex is the same thing?

I can't believe there's so many folk lining up to intentionally miss a very simple point.

Yes, dude. You aren't being gay. You aren't really gay until you have been able to express being gay. You feel like you are but aren't able to express the reality of who you feel you are. That is why it is such a big deal for people that are so certain that they are gay, that feel like they are, but find themselves suppressing those feelings.

You may feel gay. But you aren't gay until you are able to express it in reality. Then your feelings are real.

You are falling to magical thinking, that your feelings are a direct affect on reality. You feelings aren't reality. They are your personal subjective state of consciousness, and a very limited state that is. It's subtle because our thoughts and feelings, our conscious state of mind, is always present for us. We correlate our internal subjective sensations with reality. It's very useful. But it isn't reality.

It is extremely important to know the difference between subjective and objective. Your aren't objectively anything until there are physical objects and actions that define that.

 

[frigidweirdo]

New Alan Turing £50 note enters circulation

The old £50 and £20 banknotes will be withdrawn by October next year, the Bank of England says.

www.bbc.com

Alan Turing gets on the £50 banknotes, the guy was persecuted for being gay, even though he was a national hero. How the UK was back then, and some countries are today.

No. No-one was "persecuted" for being gay - he was persecuted for breaking the law (at the time) which was committing lewd homosexual acts.

Contrary to this popular myth, being gay has never been illegal. Shagging your own sex was criminal, though. There's a difference.

Um, yeah, those are the same thing. "Being"......

See, seems like you are confusing feelings, your internal state of mind, as being a thing on the same level as objects and actions in physical reality.

"Being" isn't an internal state. "Being" is a collection of objects and action. You aren't a baseball player because you sit on the couch watching people play baseball and thinking about how hitting a ball and running around bases. What makes one a baseball player is the physical and observable activities of being on a team, in the batting order, wearing a baseball mitt, hitting a ball, running around the bases, catching flyballs, tagging runners, and all of the activities and objects that are part of what is a baseball player.

Yes, laws that make the activities that are what a gay person does in a personal relationship with a gay partner is making being gay illegal.

So if you're gay and a virgin, then you're not a real gay because simply being gay and having gay sex is the same thing?

I can't believe there's so many folk lining up to intentionally miss a very simple point.

Perhaps the problem is that the point is so simple, it's pointless.

It's like trying to explain that humans need oxygen. We know. We don't need it to be explained. We don't need to start every conversation from point one. We can start at a more advanced level. It's more interesting and easier.

 

[justinacolmena]

Alan Turing was a great scientist and a major contributor to the modern age. I can think of few more deserving.

Turing was a WWII hero. It's not really clear that he was actually "gay" although he was certainly accused of being so.

The codebreaking he was involved in required such extreme secrecy as to rule out any kind of normal dating scene for a "straight guy."

He couldn't exactly have patronized a strip club and maintained his security clearance.

That being said, when I read the headline I guessed that they were putting Oscar Wilde on the bank note.

Oscar Wilde was a famous poet, not sure he was "gay" either, as, say, Sappho of Lesbos.

 

[itfitzme]

New Alan Turing £50 note enters circulation

The old £50 and £20 banknotes will be withdrawn by October next year, the Bank of England says.

www.bbc.com

Alan Turing gets on the £50 banknotes, the guy was persecuted for being gay, even though he was a national hero. How the UK was back then, and some countries are today.

No. No-one was "persecuted" for being gay - he was persecuted for breaking the law (at the time) which was committing lewd homosexual acts.

Contrary to this popular myth, being gay has never been illegal. Shagging your own sex was criminal, though. There's a difference.

Um, yeah, those are the same thing. "Being"......

See, seems like you are confusing feelings, your internal state of mind, as being a thing on the same level as objects and actions in physical reality.

"Being" isn't an internal state. "Being" is a collection of objects and action. You aren't a baseball player because you sit on the couch watching people play baseball and thinking about how hitting a ball and running around bases. What makes one a baseball player is the physical and observable activities of being on a team, in the batting order, wearing a baseball mitt, hitting a ball, running around the bases, catching flyballs, tagging runners, and all of the activities and objects that are part of what is a baseball player.

Yes, laws that make the activities that are what a gay person does in a personal relationship with a gay partner is making being gay illegal.

So if you're gay and a virgin, then you're not a real gay because simply being gay and having gay sex is the same thing?

I can't believe there's so many folk lining up to intentionally miss a very simple point.

Yeah, I can see your confusion.

Yes, not being able to express your feelings that you have makes you not be that. You may be a young man that feels gay and still a virgin but also have a lot of other things that express your feelings of being gay. You may express it in your art work, express it in your clothing, express it in a relationship with someone you love. So having "gay sex" alone doesn't define "being gay".

Also, saying "I'm no signing this into law to outlaw being gay. I'm signing it into law because " doesn't make the law what you feel it is. The law isn't defined by how you feel either. It is defined by the actions of enforcing that law.

You are coming at the definition of reality backwards.

Sorry for using the second person pronoun so much, "you". I don't really like it. Kinda shortcutting it. I have to get to work but this is such an important point.

A lot of misperception comes out of this fundamental error.

A law may read, "It is illegal to do X". Or it can be called "The Public Safety Act" or whatever. But what it says, what it is called is irrelevant. What matters is what is enforced.

What matters is objects, actions, and affects. Reality is defined by cause and affect, not by some intermediate internal perception of feeling. That is important, extremely important. It is important because there is a solid correlation between our internal perception and reality. It's necessary for things as basic as hand eye coordination and reaction time. But what defines the reality is objects, actions, and affects.

It is funny to because a lot of the time, people can be a bit disingenuous about it. Actor observer affect. They will define it based on their subjective perception when it's what they do then define something else by the affect it has on them.

 

[itfitzme]

New Alan Turing £50 note enters circulation

The old £50 and £20 banknotes will be withdrawn by October next year, the Bank of England says.

www.bbc.com

Alan Turing gets on the £50 banknotes, the guy was persecuted for being gay, even though he was a national hero. How the UK was back then, and some countries are today.

No. No-one was "persecuted" for being gay - he was persecuted for breaking the law (at the time) which was committing lewd homosexual acts.

Contrary to this popular myth, being gay has never been illegal. Shagging your own sex was criminal, though. There's a difference.

A distinction without a difference.

Not quite.

For example :

It's legal to be attracted to children.
It's illegal to act on it.

Again, I'm not saying the law was correct but if you can't recognise the distinction then that's up to you.

Right,

It wasn't illegal to anally rape your wife. That being not lewd.

It was illegal for two men to be attracted to each other, to have sex.

That is, by definition, illegal to be gay.

The entire distinction is that it is between two men.

You are trying to produce a distinction that simply does not exist.

 

[justinacolmena]

You may be a young man that feels gay and still a virgin

And so NSA+GCHQ — and their counterparts in Canada, Australia, and New Zealand — fucked a war hero in the butt with that medieval mental health shit, and that particular communist nightclub crowd of homosexual child molesters and UKUSA-Russian double agents and traitors has done nothing, absolutely nothing, to regain our trust and confidence in over seventy years.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

New Alan Turing £50 note enters circulation

The old £50 and £20 banknotes will be withdrawn by October next year, the Bank of England says.

www.bbc.com

Alan Turing gets on the £50 banknotes, the guy was persecuted for being gay, even though he was a national hero. How the UK was back then, and some countries are today.

I see a rush for sharpie pens......