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[AntonToo]

Really? What about Mexican War?

...that war was in 1846.

The developed world moved on, while Russia is degenerating into lawless, totalitarian past, in good company of countries like North Korea.

 

[Zavulon]

Do you have any support for these ludecrous fantasies?

The Massacre of Odessa, for example. Systematic discrimination of Russian language and Ukrainian Orthodox Church. Mass murders, stealing property, terroristic attacks.

Ukraine elected a new president in 2014 and there has not been any major violence except along Russian controlled separatist areas in the eastern Ukraine.

There was huge anti-Russian witch-hunt. Thousands were murdered.

In 2019-2022 before Putin's bloody 2022 there have been only a handfull of conflict casualties in eastern Ukraine, most not from any millitary actions but from people blowing on mines.

Systematic terror against the Russians should have be stopped.

 

[AntonToo]

Really? Donbass Militia,

There was no Donbass militia to speak of before Russians like Girkin organized and armed them with heavy Russian millitary equipment.

Without Russians there would not be any war in Ukraine.

 

[AntonToo]

The Massacre of Odessa

Was caused first and foremost by Russian provacators.

There has not been ANY serious violence in Odessa as soon as that "Russian world" bs got ejected out of that city in 2014, just like there has been no serious violence anywhere else "Russian world" doesn't show it's ugly head.

 

[Zavulon]

...that war was in 1846.

But it was good, not bad, wasn't it?
Anyway, what about Kosovo or Taiwan?

The developed world moved on, while Russia is degenerating into lawless, totalitarian past, in good company of countries like North Korea.

Sorry, friend. Real Russia is pretty different from that all-black picture of yours.

 

[Zavulon]

There was no Donbass militia to speak of before Russians like Girkin organized and armed them with heavy Russian millitary equipment.

And without NATO where would not be any Ukrainian Army.

Without Russians there would not be any war in Ukraine.

Without Russians there wouldn't be any Ukraine in the first place.

 

[AntonToo]

Systematic terror against the Russians should have be stopped.

Putin's invasion is the systemic terror that is now killing and destroying Russian lives by the thousands every day.

Russians Rusian army and ethnic Russian Ukranian citizens and those in Ukranian Army (20%) that are getting killed right now of the front lines fighting the fascist invaders.

 

[Zavulon]

Was caused first and foremost by Russian provacators.

There has not been ANY serious violence in Odessa as soon as that "Russian world" bs got ejected out of that city in 2014, just like there has been no serious violence anywhere else "Russian world" doesn't show it's ugly head.

Odessa was founded as a Russian city. It was and still is a part of "Russian world". Right now it is occupied by the Kievan regime. But I hope it will be liberated soon with the minimal human losses.

 

[AntonToo]

Without Russians there wouldn't be any Ukraine in the first place.

Thats a silly delusion. If Russia disapears tommrow Ukraine will do a lot better than today.

 

[AntonToo]

Odessa was founded as a Russian city.

No it wasn't. Not that it even matters to anything in modern history or matters of international borders law.

Kotsiubijiv was original name of Odessa settlement dating back to 1400s, which was part of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania

Odesa - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Zavulon]

Putin's invasion is the systemic terror that is now killing and destroying Russian lives by the thousands every day.

Russians Rusian army and ethnic Russian Ukranian citizens and those in Ukranian Army (20%) that are getting killed right now of the front lines fighting the fascist invaders.

You believe that you are right, and we are wrong. We believe that we are right, and you are wrong. I don't think there is much left to discuss, so, let it be decided on the battlefield. What we can do - is to be polite and avoid unnecessary violence.

 

[FranklinRoosevelt_FTW]

Shitbag.

Zelensky gave a standing ovation to a nazi from ww2 …that’s a disgrace to the Allie’s of ww2.

Plenty of Ukrainians are good people but they have gov leaders who embrace hitler. People will say Zelensky is Jewish …that makes him more of an embarrassment for embracing Hitlerism as a Jew

Some Russians support Ukraine today

Some Ukrainians support Russia.

Facts matter. History matters.

 

[Zavulon]

Thats a silly delusion. If Russia disapears tommrow Ukraine will do a lot better than today.

But Russia won't dissapear. That's reality.

 

[AntonToo]

Right now it is occupied by the Kievan regime.

Was Odessa and Crimea "occupied" in 2003 when Putin signed border agreements?

Was it "occupied" in 2004 when Ukrainian border agreement was ratified by Russian Duma?

Was it "occupied" in 2008 when Putin in no uncertain forms stated that Russia has zero territorial desputes with Ukraine?

Putin's 2008 Comments On Crimea, Before A Sharp Change Of Tack

In an interview with Germany's ARD television in 2008, Russian President Vladimir Putin stated that Moscow recognizes all of Ukraine's borders, and that there is no issue of ethnic conflict in Crimea. His comments stand in stark contrast with Moscow's annexation of Crimea in 2014.

www.rferl.org

Rushists certainly have very novel stories to tell since 2014.

 

[AntonToo]

You believe that you are right, and we are wrong. We believe that we are right, and you are wrong. I don't think there is much left to discuss, so, let it be decided on the battlefield. What we can do - is to be polite and avoid unnecessary violence.

Spoken like a fascist circa 1940s.

They too thought they were right to invade, annex countries and kill millions.

Russian annexations are officially condemned world wide. Even Russian "friends" like China do not recognize them as legitimate Russian territory.

 

[Zavulon]

No it wasn't. Not that it even matters to anything in modern history or matters of international borders law.

Kotsiubijiv was original name of Odessa settlement dating back to 1400s, which was part of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania

Odesa - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The Grand Duchy of Lithuania, Jemaja and Russia was a part of the "Russian world", too.
It was a multicultural country, but its state language was Russian. One of the main competitors of Grand Duchy of Moscow in gathering of Russian lands. What a tragedy that that promising state had fallen in misery.

 

[AntonToo]

The Grand Duchy of Lithuania, Jemaja and Russia was a part of the "Russian world", too.
It was a multicultural country, but its state language was Russian. One of the main competitors of Grand Duchy of Moscow in gathering of Russian lands. What a tragedy that that promising state had fallen in misery.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

"Russian world" is about as real of a historic concept as Hitler's "Aryan Nations".

 

[Zavulon]

Was Odessa and Crimea "occupied" in 2003 when Putin signed border agreements?

Was it "occupied" in 2004 when Ukrainian border agreement was ratified by Russian Duma?

Was it "occupied" in 2008 when Putin in no uncertain forms stated that Russia has zero territorial desputes with Ukraine?

Putin's 2008 Comments On Crimea, Before A Sharp Change Of Tack

In an interview with Germany's ARD television in 2008, Russian President Vladimir Putin stated that Moscow recognizes all of Ukraine's borders, and that there is no issue of ethnic conflict in Crimea. His comments stand in stark contrast with Moscow's annexation of Crimea in 2014.

www.rferl.org

Rushists certainly have very novel stories to tell since 2014.

There were no significant inter-ethnic conflicts in pre-Maidan Ukraine. But they started after the nationalistic coup in Kiev.
Russian people in Southern and Eastern Ukraine raised rebellion not against their ethnic Ukrainian neighbours, but against discriminative and abusing regime.
I mean, it's pretty natural. Ban English language in Canada or California or declare policy of "decolonisation" (anti-WASP ethnic cleanings) in Texas - and you'll have rebelion there, too.

 

[AntonToo]

There were no significant inter-ethnic conflicts in pre-Maidan Ukraine.

There were no significant conflicts anywhere in Ukraine Russians didn't invade.

Significant conflicts in Ukraine were not "inter-ethnic" they were over SEPARATISM spearheaded by Russian nationals.

Simple proof is that violent conflict was ONLY in areas where Russians invaded, not in places like Kiev where there is 20% Russian ethnic population.

 

[Zavulon]

You have no idea what you are talking about.

"Russian world" is about as real of a historic concept as Hitler's "Aryan Nations".

Russian world is about as real as an "English world". There is the great cultural continuum of English speaking countries and English speaking individuals. We can talk, we can try to understand each other. I think it's pretty real. And my cousin in Mariupol or friend in Odessa are real, too.