Uncomfortable FACT about Ferguson for conservatives...

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Just so we get this fact clear going forward...

YOU folks on the right are supporting GOVERNMENT over individuals and over people.

However you want to twist it, that is an irrefutable FACT...

The history of mankind has been a struggle between those who want to increase freedom, opportunity and rights to all people and those who want to restrict them. The people who have always fought to increase freedom, opportunity and rights are liberals. The people who have fought to restrict them are conservatives.

In essence, correct.

Another uncomfortable fact is that there was a time when many of those liberals who have always fought to defend freedom, opportunity, and citizens’ civil rights were republicans.

 

[orogenicman]

You mindless drone laughable lolberals are supporting fiction based racism over facts.

THAT'S a fact, bitch.

Try to let a fact sink into that cesspool waste of a mind in your pitiable noggin:

A police officer shooting a bully skell who has tried to grab his gun and who is charging the cop is not a cop who is acting irresponsibly or unreasonably.

Sorry that the fucking dumbass kid got his dopey ass killed. But blaming anybody but HIM for the consequences of his own dumbass thug behavior is absurd. It's so fucking pathetic, we expect it from you mindless drone drooling stupid libbies.

It was the dumb-ass kid's fault, yes. But the cop didn't have to kill him for being a dumb ass. Two wrongs do not a right make.

Didn't he? His life was in danger. The kid tried to take his gun after practically punching his lights out. The cop told him to stop, but the kid (who was six feet five inches tall and weighed over 250 pounds) kept running towards him after already being shot. What did you expect him to do? Sing Kumbaya?

Well let's see.. he's sitting in an SUV. With backup on the way... GEE WHIZ... I don't know maybe put his window up? Maybe take a picture of the guy? If he's too much of a girlie boy to fight the guy he has no business getting out of the car.

So our police are suppose to fight someone who is 6 feet five inches tall and weighs over 250 pounds and risk getting the shit kicked out of them, or worse, killed, all because you think they are girlie men if they don't? What planet are you from, anyway?

What part of DRIVE AWAY or STAY IN HIS SUV is confusing you?
What part of a little girl could have beat this kid up after he was shot twice in the CHEST is escaping you?

What part of the police don't drive away from a crime scene is confusing you? He was doing his job. Are you suggesting that the police not do their job? Yeah, I'd love to see the world you live in where a little girl can beat up an angry, stoned young man who is 6 feet 5 inches tall and weighs 290 pounds. That would be an interesting visit.

 

[AntiParty]

Just so we get this fact clear going forward...

YOU folks on the right are supporting GOVERNMENT over individuals and over people.

However you want to twist it, that is an irrefutable FACT...

The history of mankind has been a struggle between those who want to increase freedom, opportunity and rights to all people and those who want to restrict them. The people who have always fought to increase freedom, opportunity and rights are liberals. The people who have fought to restrict them are conservatives.

Fox News notices and uses their own flaws. To keep the public from noticing them, they project those flaws on the other parties. "THEY are emotionally driven" even though they made bunkers and bought record high amounts of bullets driving up prices for all of us. "THEY want to stop freedom" but want to keep laws that were directly made to infringe the Rights of gay people.

I'll never forget last election year when a Right Winger told me that the "State" should take power over the people because the people don't know what they are talking about anymore.........just because he lost...............

 

[The Rabbi]

It is absolutely amazing to me that you people deny that it's the responsibility of the police to establish and maintain a good relationship with the community they serve. What do you think, that the police can behave in any way they choose, and the people are supposed to insure they create and maintain a good relattionship with the police. That's absurd. Obviously none of you have studied law enforcement, not even a little. Or you are all being totally intellectually dishonest.

Not the least bit absurd. It's my responsibility to act lawfully and cooperate with law enforcement as needed. It's not the job of law enforcement to accommodate me if I'm lawless. Their job is to enforce the law. Period. Your Leftist stupidity of cops holding blacks to a different standard than other races is what's absurd and unamerican.

It has nothing whatsoever to do with me. I didn't make this up. It has nothing to do with being leftist. It is in all the materials when you study law enforcement. It has to do with what those who teach and develop law enforcement strategies and behavior believe. Has nothing to do with my opinion: it is common knowledge and in all law enforcement textbooks and training manuals.

Which say to develop ties with the community, not overlook lawlessness because according to the Law of the Soft Bigotry Of Low Expectations, blacks can't be be held to the same standard of behavior as whites. I think you're reading Leftist narratives into police training books that aren't actually there.

I never said word one about overlooking lawlessness. I said it is the responsbility of the police department to create and maintain a good working relationship with the community they serve. If, in Ferguson such a relationship existed, the death of Michael Brown would most likely not have taken place. The officer would have behaved differently. Michael would have behaved differently.

Utter bullshit.
WHat would have happened differently? Brown was a violent criminal. We all saw the video of him strong arming the store clerk. Should the police have simply ignored it? Should Wilson simply have handed over his gun to Brown?
So what would be different? ANd how do you know the police did not have a good relationship with citizens there?

 

[The Rabbi]

You mindless drone laughable lolberals are supporting fiction based racism over facts.

THAT'S a fact, bitch.

Try to let a fact sink into that cesspool waste of a mind in your pitiable noggin:

A police officer shooting a bully skell who has tried to grab his gun and who is charging the cop is not a cop who is acting irresponsibly or unreasonably.

Sorry that the fucking dumbass kid got his dopey ass killed. But blaming anybody but HIM for the consequences of his own dumbass thug behavior is absurd. It's so fucking pathetic, we expect it from you mindless drone drooling stupid libbies.

It was the dumb-ass kid's fault, yes. But the cop didn't have to kill him for being a dumb ass. Two wrongs do not a right make.

Didn't he? His life was in danger. The kid tried to take his gun after practically punching his lights out. The cop told him to stop, but the kid (who was six feet five inches tall and weighed over 250 pounds) kept running towards him after already being shot. What did you expect him to do? Sing Kumbaya?

Well let's see.. he's sitting in an SUV. With backup on the way... GEE WHIZ... I don't know maybe put his window up? Maybe take a picture of the guy? If he's too much of a girlie boy to fight the guy he has no business getting out of the car.

So our police are suppose to fight someone who is 6 feet five inches tall and weighs over 250 pounds and risk getting the shit kicked out of them, or worse, killed, all because you think they are girlie men if they don't? What planet are you from, anyway?

What part of DRIVE AWAY or STAY IN HIS SUV is confusing you?
What part of a little girl could have beat this kid up after he was shot twice in the CHEST is escaping you?

If he were just a citizen you might be right.
But it was his job as a police officer to apprehend a violent suspect. Wilson said as much in a recent interview. Driving away was not an option.

 

[Bfgrn]

It was the dumb-ass kid's fault, yes. But the cop didn't have to kill him for being a dumb ass. Two wrongs do not a right make.

Didn't he? His life was in danger. The kid tried to take his gun after practically punching his lights out. The cop told him to stop, but the kid (who was six feet five inches tall and weighed over 250 pounds) kept running towards him after already being shot. What did you expect him to do? Sing Kumbaya?

Well let's see.. he's sitting in an SUV. With backup on the way... GEE WHIZ... I don't know maybe put his window up? Maybe take a picture of the guy? If he's too much of a girlie boy to fight the guy he has no business getting out of the car.

So our police are suppose to fight someone who is 6 feet five inches tall and weighs over 250 pounds and risk getting the shit kicked out of them, or worse, killed, all because you think they are girlie men if they don't? What planet are you from, anyway?

What part of DRIVE AWAY or STAY IN HIS SUV is confusing you?
What part of a little girl could have beat this kid up after he was shot twice in the CHEST is escaping you?

If he were just a citizen you might be right.
But it was his job as a police officer to apprehend a violent suspect. Wilson said as much in a recent interview. Driving away was not an option.

Driving away was an option, and it would have allowed him to call for backup. Wilson failed as a peace officer. He is a thug with a badge.

 

[The Rabbi]

Didn't he? His life was in danger. The kid tried to take his gun after practically punching his lights out. The cop told him to stop, but the kid (who was six feet five inches tall and weighed over 250 pounds) kept running towards him after already being shot. What did you expect him to do? Sing Kumbaya?

Well let's see.. he's sitting in an SUV. With backup on the way... GEE WHIZ... I don't know maybe put his window up? Maybe take a picture of the guy? If he's too much of a girlie boy to fight the guy he has no business getting out of the car.

So our police are suppose to fight someone who is 6 feet five inches tall and weighs over 250 pounds and risk getting the shit kicked out of them, or worse, killed, all because you think they are girlie men if they don't? What planet are you from, anyway?

What part of DRIVE AWAY or STAY IN HIS SUV is confusing you?
What part of a little girl could have beat this kid up after he was shot twice in the CHEST is escaping you?

If he were just a citizen you might be right.
But it was his job as a police officer to apprehend a violent suspect. Wilson said as much in a recent interview. Driving away was not an option.

Driving away was an option, and it would have allowed him to call for backup. Wilson failed as a peace officer. He is a thug with a badge.

Bullshit
Wilson is a decorated officer for starters
Second, driving away is called dereliction of duty. Wilson had a duty to arrest an obviously violent criminal. Protect and Defend is a common police motto.

 

[Bfgrn]

Well let's see.. he's sitting in an SUV. With backup on the way... GEE WHIZ... I don't know maybe put his window up? Maybe take a picture of the guy? If he's too much of a girlie boy to fight the guy he has no business getting out of the car.

So our police are suppose to fight someone who is 6 feet five inches tall and weighs over 250 pounds and risk getting the shit kicked out of them, or worse, killed, all because you think they are girlie men if they don't? What planet are you from, anyway?

What part of DRIVE AWAY or STAY IN HIS SUV is confusing you?
What part of a little girl could have beat this kid up after he was shot twice in the CHEST is escaping you?

If he were just a citizen you might be right.
But it was his job as a police officer to apprehend a violent suspect. Wilson said as much in a recent interview. Driving away was not an option.

Driving away was an option, and it would have allowed him to call for backup. Wilson failed as a peace officer. He is a thug with a badge.

Bullshit
Wilson is a decorated officer for starters
Second, driving away is called dereliction of duty. Wilson had a duty to arrest an obviously violent criminal. Protect and Defend is a common police motto.

As usual you PROVE you are an idiot.

Experts Weigh Officer’s Decisions Leading to Fatal Shooting of Michael Brown

To many experts, Officer Wilson’s actions in the confrontation with Mr. Brown — as he described them to the grand jury — were within the bounds of standard police protocol. Officer Wilson testified to the grand jury that the two struggled over his service weapon while he was still in his police vehicle, and that later, after a brief chase, he fired the fatal shots at Mr. Brown because the teenager was coming toward him in a threatening way.

But while the precise timeline and exact circumstances of the shooting may never be fully known, several law enforcement experts challenged Officer Wilson’s assessment that nothing could have been done to change the deadly course of his confrontation with Mr. Brown.

From the time Officer Wilson first encountered Mr. Brown walking with a friend in the middle of the street on a hot afternoon in August, to the point the teenager lay dead on the pavement, there were several opportunities to de-escalate the confrontation, said Eugene O’Donnell, a professor at John Jay College of Criminal Justice and a former New York City police officer. Mr. O’Donnell pointed in particular to the initial moments of the confrontation, when the officer and Mr. Brown are said to have struggled through the open window of the officer’s police cruiser.

“There certainly wouldn’t be a prohibition of him driving a little further along and regrouping, calling for help and thinking about nonlethal weaponry,” Mr. O’Donnell said, referring to Officer Wilson. “Just because you’re a police officer doesn’t mean you have to go into a situation headfirst.”

 

[The Rabbi]

So our police are suppose to fight someone who is 6 feet five inches tall and weighs over 250 pounds and risk getting the shit kicked out of them, or worse, killed, all because you think they are girlie men if they don't? What planet are you from, anyway?

What part of DRIVE AWAY or STAY IN HIS SUV is confusing you?
What part of a little girl could have beat this kid up after he was shot twice in the CHEST is escaping you?

If he were just a citizen you might be right.
But it was his job as a police officer to apprehend a violent suspect. Wilson said as much in a recent interview. Driving away was not an option.

Driving away was an option, and it would have allowed him to call for backup. Wilson failed as a peace officer. He is a thug with a badge.

Bullshit
Wilson is a decorated officer for starters
Second, driving away is called dereliction of duty. Wilson had a duty to arrest an obviously violent criminal. Protect and Defend is a common police motto.

As usual you PROVE you are an idiot.

Experts Weigh Officer’s Decisions Leading to Fatal Shooting of Michael Brown

To many experts, Officer Wilson’s actions in the confrontation with Mr. Brown — as he described them to the grand jury — were within the bounds of standard police protocol. Officer Wilson testified to the grand jury that the two struggled over his service weapon while he was still in his police vehicle, and that later, after a brief chase, he fired the fatal shots at Mr. Brown because the teenager was coming toward him in a threatening way.

But while the precise timeline and exact circumstances of the shooting may never be fully known, several law enforcement experts challenged Officer Wilson’s assessment that nothing could have been done to change the deadly course of his confrontation with Mr. Brown.

From the time Officer Wilson first encountered Mr. Brown walking with a friend in the middle of the street on a hot afternoon in August, to the point the teenager lay dead on the pavement, there were several opportunities to de-escalate the confrontation, said Eugene O’Donnell, a professor at John Jay College of Criminal Justice and a former New York City police officer. Mr. O’Donnell pointed in particular to the initial moments of the confrontation, when the officer and Mr. Brown are said to have struggled through the open window of the officer’s police cruiser.

“There certainly wouldn’t be a prohibition of him driving a little further along and regrouping, calling for help and thinking about nonlethal weaponry,” Mr. O’Donnell said, referring to Officer Wilson. “Just because you’re a police officer doesn’t mean you have to go into a situation headfirst.”

Gee, Monday Morning Quarterbacking. And even in your own stupid article it begins with many experts saying he followed standard police procedures.
I dont think you understand how this is supposed to work. You're supposed to present evidence that refutes my argument, not evidence that supports it.

 

[Anathema]

Except when it comes to criminals who don't pay their range fees and allows armed NRA activists to scare off said government that is trying to enforce the law. Other than that, yeah, conservatives are all about supporting law and order over criminals.

Properly focused Government doesn't try to financially rape law abiding citizens fir using PUBLIC land their family has been using for years. At that point armed resistance falls under defense from all enemies foreign or DOMESTIC. Yes, our own Government can (and often is) a domestic enemy of thus country.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Just so we get this fact clear going forward...

YOU folks on the right are supporting GOVERNMENT over individuals and over people.

However you want to twist it, that is an irrefutable FACT...

The history of mankind has been a struggle between those who want to increase freedom, opportunity and rights to all people and those who want to restrict them. The people who have always fought to increase freedom, opportunity and rights are liberals. The people who have fought to restrict them are conservatives.

Did you protest or have any knowledge of the shooting of Gilbert Collar from Mobile Alabama two years ago?

 

[Bfgrn]

What part of DRIVE AWAY or STAY IN HIS SUV is confusing you?
What part of a little girl could have beat this kid up after he was shot twice in the CHEST is escaping you?

If he were just a citizen you might be right.
But it was his job as a police officer to apprehend a violent suspect. Wilson said as much in a recent interview. Driving away was not an option.

Driving away was an option, and it would have allowed him to call for backup. Wilson failed as a peace officer. He is a thug with a badge.

Bullshit
Wilson is a decorated officer for starters
Second, driving away is called dereliction of duty. Wilson had a duty to arrest an obviously violent criminal. Protect and Defend is a common police motto.

As usual you PROVE you are an idiot.

Experts Weigh Officer’s Decisions Leading to Fatal Shooting of Michael Brown

To many experts, Officer Wilson’s actions in the confrontation with Mr. Brown — as he described them to the grand jury — were within the bounds of standard police protocol. Officer Wilson testified to the grand jury that the two struggled over his service weapon while he was still in his police vehicle, and that later, after a brief chase, he fired the fatal shots at Mr. Brown because the teenager was coming toward him in a threatening way.

But while the precise timeline and exact circumstances of the shooting may never be fully known, several law enforcement experts challenged Officer Wilson’s assessment that nothing could have been done to change the deadly course of his confrontation with Mr. Brown.

From the time Officer Wilson first encountered Mr. Brown walking with a friend in the middle of the street on a hot afternoon in August, to the point the teenager lay dead on the pavement, there were several opportunities to de-escalate the confrontation, said Eugene O’Donnell, a professor at John Jay College of Criminal Justice and a former New York City police officer. Mr. O’Donnell pointed in particular to the initial moments of the confrontation, when the officer and Mr. Brown are said to have struggled through the open window of the officer’s police cruiser.

“There certainly wouldn’t be a prohibition of him driving a little further along and regrouping, calling for help and thinking about nonlethal weaponry,” Mr. O’Donnell said, referring to Officer Wilson. “Just because you’re a police officer doesn’t mean you have to go into a situation headfirst.”

Gee, Monday Morning Quarterbacking. And even in your own stupid article it begins with many experts saying he followed standard police procedures.
I dont think you understand how this is supposed to work. You're supposed to present evidence that refutes my argument, not evidence that supports it.

The inability to apprehend an unarmed suspect without the use of lethal force is a GROSS failure of police work.

But Wilson testified that he can't be bothered with non lethal weapons...a stun gun was to cumbersome for whinny Wilson and pepper spray might get into his wittle eyes...

Wilson was an execution waiting to happen. He should NOT be a police officer.

What is the ultimate irony of you ignorant right wing turds is we see the brutal, heavy handed justice systems in ultra-conservative Islamic cultures. HOW do we tell you and them apart pea brain???

 

[zeke]

The inability to apprehend an unarmed suspect without the use of lethal force is a GROSS failure of police work.

After having already shot the guy three times. Pussy Wilson had to keep on shooting till finally the kid took two in the head.

14 shots at an unarmed kid to "protect and serve". And the right wingers on here love it. They are pussies too.

 

[AvgGuyIA]

You're funny..and I dont call the police until the shootings over.

If you were to call the police for something do you have faith that when they get there they will perform their duties professionally and fairly? The people of Ferguson do not have that faith in their police force, they just fear them because of a long history of non-local dicks in uniform acting in an arbitrary manner and treating people like garbage.

Maybe if the people of Ferguson weren't garbage they'd get better treatment?

Go join their police force, they have an opening for a new hateful asshole to fill the one just vacated.

And have to deal with the trash in Ferguson? Not just NO,but HELL NO!!
I like being retired in my all white enclave with zero crime.

When human beings are classified as 'trash', then there is no justice system. If you can reduce a human life to what gets thrown away, then it is NO DIFFERENT than what Nazi Germany did to the 'trash' Jews.

Please tell us again how Hitler and his henchmen were liberals?

Okay. Hitler and his henchmen didn't believe in personal freedom or small government. That's why they are liberals.

 

[AvgGuyIA]

The inability to apprehend an unarmed suspect without the use of lethal force is a GROSS failure of police work.

After having already shot the guy three times. Pussy Wilson had to keep on shooting till finally the kid took two in the head.

14 shots at an unarmed kid to "protect and serve". And the right wingers on here love it. They are pussies too.

Brown was charging at him Zeke, why don't you people consider all the evidence that was collaborated by BLACK witnesses? Too bad, but Brown caused his own death.

 

[zeke]

Brown was charging at him Zeke, why don't you people consider all the evidence that was collaborated by BLACK witnesses? Too bad, but Brown caused his own death.

Tell you what. Lets have a little experiment. I will shoot you three times and you charge me afterwards. I absolutely guarantee you that I will put you on the ground with out shooting you 11 more times. Or even one more time.

Protect and serve is the motto.

Not be a pussy and murderer.

In Dayton Ohio a young man got 7 years in prison and he was SHOOTING at the cops. This guy really was trying to kill a cop and got seven years. Now what was the horrible crime committed by Brown that required him to be shot 14 times? Stole some cigs and punched a cop. And that's worse than firing a gun at them?

My Dad RIP, punched a cop a couple times when being arrested, Know what the cops did to him? Beat the shit out of him on the ride up the elevator to the jail. While he was in handcuffs. But they didn't kill him. Of course this was back in the 60ties when lots of cops had real combat experience and were not a bunch of pussies. And they didn't want to kill someone for the hell of it.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

If you were to call the police for something do you have faith that when they get there they will perform their duties professionally and fairly? The people of Ferguson do not have that faith in their police force, they just fear them because of a long history of non-local dicks in uniform acting in an arbitrary manner and treating people like garbage.

Maybe if the people of Ferguson weren't garbage they'd get better treatment?

Go join their police force, they have an opening for a new hateful asshole to fill the one just vacated.

And have to deal with the trash in Ferguson? Not just NO,but HELL NO!!
I like being retired in my all white enclave with zero crime.

When human beings are classified as 'trash', then there is no justice system. If you can reduce a human life to what gets thrown away, then it is NO DIFFERENT than what Nazi Germany did to the 'trash' Jews.

Please tell us again how Hitler and his henchmen were liberals?

Okay. Hitler and his henchmen didn't believe in personal freedom or small government. That's why they are liberals.

That's just utterly stupid, but coming from you that's no surprise. He wanted more babies and fought wars he didn't have to, so I guess that makes him a conservative.

 

[PredFan]

Just so we get this fact clear going forward...

YOU folks on the right are supporting GOVERNMENT over individuals and over people.

However you want to twist it, that is an irrefutable FACT...

The history of mankind has been a struggle between those who want to increase freedom, opportunity and rights to all people and those who want to restrict them. The people who have always fought to increase freedom, opportunity and rights are liberals. The people who have fought to restrict them are conservatives.

Dumbest OP ever. Not surprising that it comes from one of the dimmest witted posters here.

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

It's about all of that.

No it is not. True Conservatism comes from a time and place where Freedom was as much a fantasy as elves and dragons and where the punishment for general lawlessness was worse than what we now do to murderers and rapists.

Remind me again who is against capital punishment when criminal on the run kills a cop, or those who are finally caught and convicted of serial murders - the conservative or the liberal? Then tell me again how those actions have made general lawlessness worse in the hands of conservatives.

 

[Stephanie]

This should make all of you PRO-Brown real proud. I hope you along with this disgusting media in the country are ashamed for having a hand in innocent peoples businesses looted and torched. and their daily lives disrupted in other states by the thugs who jumped on this bandwagon without know all the FACTS

SNIP:

#Ferguson Grand Jury Reveals The Inconsistencies Of Witnesses Which Fed False Media Narrative

Yet it was these same witnesses that the media used to concoct its false narrative of the unarmed boy just shot down in the street.

FERGUSON, Mo. (AP) — Some witnesses said Michael Brown had been shot in the back. Another said he was face-down on the ground when Officer Darren Wilson “finished him off.” Still others acknowledged changing their stories to fit published details about the autopsy or admitted that they did not see the shooting at all.


An Associated Press review of thousands of pages of grand jury documents reveals numerous examples of statements made during the shooting investigation that were inconsistent, fabricated or provably wrong. For one, the autopsies ultimately showed Brown was not struck by any bullets in his back.
Prosecutors exposed these inconsistencies before the jurors, which likely influenced their decision not to indict Wilson in Brown’s death.

Bob McCulloch, the St. Louis County prosecutor, said the grand jury had to weigh testimony that conflicted with physical evidence and conflicting statements by witnesses as it decided whether Wilson should face charges.

“Many witnesses to the shooting of Michael Brown made statements inconsistent with other statements they made and also conflicting with the physical evidence. Some were completely refuted by the physical evidence,” McCulloch said.
The decision Monday not to charge Wilson with any crime set off more violent protests in the St. Louis suburb of Ferguson and around the country, fueled by claims that the unarmed black 18-year-old was shot while surrendering to the white officer in the mostly African-American city.
Keep reading…

all of it here:
Ferguson Grand Jury Reveals The Inconsistencies Of Witnesses Which Fed False Media Narrative Weasel Zippers