Uncomfortable FACT about Ferguson for conservatives...

[Anathema]

It's about all of that.

No it is not. True Conservatism comes from a time and place where Freedom was as much a fantasy as elves and dragons and where the punishment for general lawlessness was worse than what we now do to murderers and rapists.

 

[Stephanie]

Notice how they single out only for "conservatives"?

Because we should know how "liberals" are just so Superior over them. so we get their high and mighty "insights" and lectures on the, Uncomfortable facts about Fegurson.

The people starting threads like this

Are the ones tearing this country and us apart

 

[BlindBoo]

It's a little off topic but you need to hurry on this one.

There is a Pizza place up for sale man. Real Cheap. It's not gonna last long at this price. Jump on it man before someone else buys it up. It's in Ferguson Missouri.................

Hurry though. The deal is hot.................

Back to the thread.

There is one in Noel, Missouri, he'll like better, and it comes with an apartment...

Noel? Wow I know Noel. By Jane. What a beautiful place that is.

 

[Moonglow]

It's a little off topic but you need to hurry on this one.

There is a Pizza place up for sale man. Real Cheap. It's not gonna last long at this price. Jump on it man before someone else buys it up. It's in Ferguson Missouri.................

Hurry though. The deal is hot.................

Back to the thread.

There is one in Noel, Missouri, he'll like better, and it comes with an apartment...

Noel? Wow I know Noel. By Jane. What a beautiful place that is.

The Elk river splits the town in three...I actually live 3.5 miles from town..

 

[The Rabbi]

Just so we get this fact clear going forward...

YOU folks on the right are supporting GOVERNMENT over individuals and over people.

However you want to twist it, that is an irrefutable FACT...

The history of mankind has been a struggle between those who want to increase freedom, opportunity and rights to all people and those who want to restrict them. The people who have always fought to increase freedom, opportunity and rights are liberals. The people who have fought to restrict them are conservatives.

I think you need to look up the word "fact".
We are supporting individuals. Esp those individuals who want to live in a peaceful neighborhood and shop at stores that havent been burned down and looted.
It appears to be liberals who are fuelign these protests, which will of course result in death, injury and monetary loss for actual people. Which is typical of every liberal program: it achieves the opposite of what is claimed.

 

[Esmeralda]

Just so we get this fact clear going forward...

YOU folks on the right are supporting GOVERNMENT over individuals and over people.

However you want to twist it, that is an irrefutable FACT...

The history of mankind has been a struggle between those who want to increase freedom, opportunity and rights to all people and those who want to restrict them. The people who have always fought to increase freedom, opportunity and rights are liberals. The people who have fought to restrict them are conservatives.

The population of Ferguson is 60% black. The police force is 94% white. That alone says a great deal. The people and the cops do not have a positive, healthy working relationship. It is really the responsibility of the police force to create a good environment, and they clearly have not done so.

 

[The Rabbi]

Just so we get this fact clear going forward...

YOU folks on the right are supporting GOVERNMENT over individuals and over people.

However you want to twist it, that is an irrefutable FACT...

The history of mankind has been a struggle between those who want to increase freedom, opportunity and rights to all people and those who want to restrict them. The people who have always fought to increase freedom, opportunity and rights are liberals. The people who have fought to restrict them are conservatives.

The population of Ferguson is 60% black. The police force is 94% white. That alone says a great deal. The people and the cops do not have a positive, healthy working relationship. It is really the responsibility of the police force to create a good environment, and they clearly have not done so.

Do you think a black police officer in the same position as Wilson would not have shot Brown?

 

[CowboyTed]

Just so we get this fact clear going forward...

YOU folks on the right are supporting GOVERNMENT over individuals and over people.

However you want to twist it, that is an irrefutable FACT...

The history of mankind has been a struggle between those who want to increase freedom, opportunity and rights to all people and those who want to restrict them. The people who have always fought to increase freedom, opportunity and rights are liberals. The people who have fought to restrict them are conservatives.

I think you need to look up the word "fact".
We are supporting individuals. Esp those individuals who want to live in a peaceful neighborhood and shop at stores that havent been burned down and looted.
It appears to be liberals who are fuelign these protests, which will of course result in death, injury and monetary loss for actual people. Which is typical of every liberal program: it achieves the opposite of what is claimed.

Well it was conservatives are the ones that militarized the police, ignored proper effective police practice... How many white cops were hired in a predominately black neighbourhood? The RW want to alienate the Police from the people into us and them....

Maybe conservatives didn't do that but neither did Liberals fuel these protests... so first:

Fuck the Truth

The simple minded conservatives will follow then...

 

[Avorysuds]

Conservatives bitch about the government but they always cry the loudest for it to protect them when the shit hits the fan.

It's literally the Governments job... Holy fuck you people are dumber by the day.

 

[The Rabbi]

Just so we get this fact clear going forward...

YOU folks on the right are supporting GOVERNMENT over individuals and over people.

However you want to twist it, that is an irrefutable FACT...

The history of mankind has been a struggle between those who want to increase freedom, opportunity and rights to all people and those who want to restrict them. The people who have always fought to increase freedom, opportunity and rights are liberals. The people who have fought to restrict them are conservatives.

I think you need to look up the word "fact".
We are supporting individuals. Esp those individuals who want to live in a peaceful neighborhood and shop at stores that havent been burned down and looted.
It appears to be liberals who are fuelign these protests, which will of course result in death, injury and monetary loss for actual people. Which is typical of every liberal program: it achieves the opposite of what is claimed.

Well it was conservatives are the ones that militarized the police, ignored proper effective police practice... How many white cops were hired in a predominately black neighbourhood? The RW want to alienate the Police from the people into us and them....

Maybe conservatives didn't do that but neither did Liberals fuel these protests... so first:

Fuck the Truth

The simple minded conservatives will follow then...

You're really starting to grate.
Who has militarized police? Recall this famous picture:

What Republican was in office when that happened?
Who wants to ignore effective policing? Recall that Giuliani lowered the crime rate in NY with effective policing. DeBlasio has just ended that practice. Poor people will suffer, of course. But you dont give a shit.
Ferguson's racial makeup changed faster than the police department.
So in all your post is a hopeless jumble of mis-stated half truths, lies and unsupported generalities.

 

[Esmeralda]

Once again the far left narrative will always trump reality..

Actually while I see a lot of Hard Right(possibly far right in some cases) voices on this board, I see few no far left (or even Hard Left) views here,yet...

I don't think the far right here actually know what far left is. Do you know there are parties called 'The Socialist Workers party' who a no even far left. They are hard left...

The Communist Party is Hard Left...

I think the people who are making these statements are just showing themselves as Hard Right with little grasp for their place in the democratic order... These type of people are easy to manipulate and a useful fools...

LOL The conservatives on here think anyone who is liberal or progressive is a communist. They think Obama is a communist.

 

[The Rabbi]

Once again the far left narrative will always trump reality..

Actually while I see a lot of Hard Right(possibly far right in some cases) voices on this board, I see few no far left (or even Hard Left) views here,yet...

I don't think the far right here actually know what far left is. Do you know there are parties called 'The Socialist Workers party' who a no even far left. They are hard left...

The Communist Party is Hard Left...

I think the people who are making these statements are just showing themselves as Hard Right with little grasp for their place in the democratic order... These type of people are easy to manipulate and a useful fools...

LOL The conservatives on here think anyone who is liberal or progressive is a communist. They think Obama is a communist.

That's because they tend to mouth communist slogans when pushed.
btw, do you think a black police officer would not have shot Michael Brown?

 

[Oldstyle]

Forty years of progressive policy have brought us to this point...but it's a police problem!

Just so we get this fact clear going forward...

YOU folks on the right are supporting GOVERNMENT over individuals and over people.

However you want to twist it, that is an irrefutable FACT...

The history of mankind has been a struggle between those who want to increase freedom, opportunity and rights to all people and those who want to restrict them. The people who have always fought to increase freedom, opportunity and rights are liberals. The people who have fought to restrict them are conservatives.

The population of Ferguson is 60% black. The police force is 94% white. That alone says a great deal. The people and the cops do not have a positive, healthy working relationship. It is really the responsibility of the police force to create a good environment, and they clearly have not done so.

"It is the responsibility of the police force to create a good environment, and they have clearly not done so."

Police are not responsible for creating "environments", Esmerelda...they are responsible for enforcing the law. When someone does what Michael Brown DID it's the responsibility of the police to enforce the law that protects that convenience store owner from strong arm robbery.

Let's be honest here...who's really responsible for the "environment" in Ferguson, Missouri? Is it the police force...or is it the citizens of Ferguson? This notion that "training" of the police to respond in a different manner is going to fix things is so laughably naive that I'm embarrassed for those who put it forward. Michael Brown is dead today because of choices that HE made...not because of choices the Ferguson Police made. HE woke up that morning and decided that he'd rob the local convenience store and bully the clerk. HE decided that after robbing that store he would walk down the center of the street and ignore a request from a police officer to get on the sidewalk. HE decided to reach into that police officer's car and assault the policeman.

 

[Esmeralda]

Forty years of progressive policy have brought us to this point...but it's a police problem!

Just so we get this fact clear going forward...

YOU folks on the right are supporting GOVERNMENT over individuals and over people.

However you want to twist it, that is an irrefutable FACT...

The history of mankind has been a struggle between those who want to increase freedom, opportunity and rights to all people and those who want to restrict them. The people who have always fought to increase freedom, opportunity and rights are liberals. The people who have fought to restrict them are conservatives.

The population of Ferguson is 60% black. The police force is 94% white. That alone says a great deal. The people and the cops do not have a positive, healthy working relationship. It is really the responsibility of the police force to create a good environment, and they clearly have not done so.

"It is the responsibility of the police force to create a good environment, and they have clearly not done so."

Police are not responsible for creating "environments", Esmerelda...they are responsible for enforcing the law. When someone does what Michael Brown DID it's the responsibility of the police to enforce the law that protects that convenience store owner from strong arm robbery.

Let's be honest here...who's really responsible for the "environment" in Ferguson, Missouri? Is it the police force...or is it the citizens of Ferguson? This notion that "training" of the police to respond in a different manner is going to fix things is so laughably naive that I'm embarrassed for those who put it forward. Michael Brown is dead today because of choices that HE made...not because of choices the Ferguson Police made. HE woke up that morning and decided that he'd rob the local convenience store and bully the clerk. HE decided that after robbing that store he would walk down the center of the street and ignore a request from a police officer to get on the sidewalk. HE decided to reach into that police officer's car and assault the policeman.

You are entirely wrong. It is very definitely the responsibility of the police department to create and maintain a positive working environment in the community they SERVE. Their job is to SERVE, not to be enforcers. To SERVE AND PROTECT. That is their job.

 

[tinydancer]

Just so we get this fact clear going forward...

YOU folks on the right are supporting GOVERNMENT over individuals and over people.

However you want to twist it, that is an irrefutable FACT...

The history of mankind has been a struggle between those who want to increase freedom, opportunity and rights to all people and those who want to restrict them. The people who have always fought to increase freedom, opportunity and rights are liberals. The people who have fought to restrict them are conservatives.

I think you need to look up the word "fact".
We are supporting individuals. Esp those individuals who want to live in a peaceful neighborhood and shop at stores that havent been burned down and looted.
It appears to be liberals who are fuelign these protests, which will of course result in death, injury and monetary loss for actual people. Which is typical of every liberal program: it achieves the opposite of what is claimed.

Well it was conservatives are the ones that militarized the police, ignored proper effective police practice... How many white cops were hired in a predominately black neighbourhood? The RW want to alienate the Police from the people into us and them....

Maybe conservatives didn't do that but neither did Liberals fuel these protests... so first:

Fuck the Truth

The simple minded conservatives will follow then...

Oh piss off for true. Obama's program of free giveaways to towns and city police is legendary at this point.

I actually was pro Brown on this at the get go. Till I saw the footage of Brown roughing up the clerk.

Then it got fuzzy for me and I wanted to wait and see how the Grand Jury ruled.

But make no mistake. Many conservatives are duly angry about the militarization of police forces across the country.

We were posting threads on this issue long long long before Michael Brown came into our lives as a nation. And I know I won't let up. Nor will others.

 

[Oldstyle]

Just so we get this fact clear going forward...

YOU folks on the right are supporting GOVERNMENT over individuals and over people.

However you want to twist it, that is an irrefutable FACT...

The history of mankind has been a struggle between those who want to increase freedom, opportunity and rights to all people and those who want to restrict them. The people who have always fought to increase freedom, opportunity and rights are liberals. The people who have fought to restrict them are conservatives.

I think you need to look up the word "fact".
We are supporting individuals. Esp those individuals who want to live in a peaceful neighborhood and shop at stores that havent been burned down and looted.
It appears to be liberals who are fuelign these protests, which will of course result in death, injury and monetary loss for actual people. Which is typical of every liberal program: it achieves the opposite of what is claimed.

Well it was conservatives are the ones that militarized the police, ignored proper effective police practice... How many white cops were hired in a predominately black neighbourhood? The RW want to alienate the Police from the people into us and them....

Maybe conservatives didn't do that but neither did Liberals fuel these protests... so first:

Fuck the Truth

The simple minded conservatives will follow then...

Ferguson, Missouri is a city in "transition", Cowboy. It used to be almost completely white but had become predominately black over the past twenty years. The police force has tried to hire more black officers but there is a shortage of good candidates applying. That isn't a conservative conspiracy to discriminate against blacks...it's simply reality. What's laughable is that you want to blame the racial makeup of the police for the problem when a city like Chicago has a much larger percentage of black officers and has an even bigger problem with black violence. So why hasn't the hiring of so many more black police officers in Chicago created a better "environment"? Could it be that the police really AREN'T the problem?

 

[NYcarbineer]

The best way to measure conservative hypocrisy, with some racism thrown in, is to contrast conservative attitudes towards the Ferguson story and the Clive Bundy story.

 

[Oldstyle]

Forty years of progressive policy have brought us to this point...but it's a police problem!

Just so we get this fact clear going forward...

YOU folks on the right are supporting GOVERNMENT over individuals and over people.

However you want to twist it, that is an irrefutable FACT...

The history of mankind has been a struggle between those who want to increase freedom, opportunity and rights to all people and those who want to restrict them. The people who have always fought to increase freedom, opportunity and rights are liberals. The people who have fought to restrict them are conservatives.

The population of Ferguson is 60% black. The police force is 94% white. That alone says a great deal. The people and the cops do not have a positive, healthy working relationship. It is really the responsibility of the police force to create a good environment, and they clearly have not done so.

"It is the responsibility of the police force to create a good environment, and they have clearly not done so."

Police are not responsible for creating "environments", Esmerelda...they are responsible for enforcing the law. When someone does what Michael Brown DID it's the responsibility of the police to enforce the law that protects that convenience store owner from strong arm robbery.

Let's be honest here...who's really responsible for the "environment" in Ferguson, Missouri? Is it the police force...or is it the citizens of Ferguson? This notion that "training" of the police to respond in a different manner is going to fix things is so laughably naive that I'm embarrassed for those who put it forward. Michael Brown is dead today because of choices that HE made...not because of choices the Ferguson Police made. HE woke up that morning and decided that he'd rob the local convenience store and bully the clerk. HE decided that after robbing that store he would walk down the center of the street and ignore a request from a police officer to get on the sidewalk. HE decided to reach into that police officer's car and assault the policeman.

You are entirely wrong. It is very definitely the responsibility of the police department to create and maintain a positive working environment in the community they SERVE. Their job is to SERVE, not to be enforcers. To SERVE AND PROTECT. That is their job.

So should the Ferguson police have been "serving" Michael Brown that morning...or should they have been "serving" the convenience store clerk? Michael Brown was breaking the law. The convenience clerk was not. All Officer Wilson did was attempt to serve and protect. He ended up fighting for his life in the front seat of his cruiser.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Just so we get this fact clear going forward...

YOU folks on the right are supporting GOVERNMENT over individuals and over people.

However you want to twist it, that is an irrefutable FACT...

The history of mankind has been a struggle between those who want to increase freedom, opportunity and rights to all people and those who want to restrict them. The people who have always fought to increase freedom, opportunity and rights are liberals. The people who have fought to restrict them are conservatives.

I think you need to look up the word "fact".
We are supporting individuals. Esp those individuals who want to live in a peaceful neighborhood and shop at stores that havent been burned down and looted.
It appears to be liberals who are fuelign these protests, which will of course result in death, injury and monetary loss for actual people. Which is typical of every liberal program: it achieves the opposite of what is claimed.

Well it was conservatives are the ones that militarized the police, ignored proper effective police practice... How many white cops were hired in a predominately black neighbourhood? The RW want to alienate the Police from the people into us and them....

Maybe conservatives didn't do that but neither did Liberals fuel these protests... so first:

Fuck the Truth

The simple minded conservatives will follow then...

You're really starting to grate.
Who has militarized police? Recall this famous picture:

What Republican was in office when that happened?
Who wants to ignore effective policing? Recall that Giuliani lowered the crime rate in NY with effective policing. DeBlasio has just ended that practice. Poor people will suffer, of course. But you dont give a shit.
Ferguson's racial makeup changed faster than the police department.
So in all your post is a hopeless jumble of mis-stated half truths, lies and unsupported generalities.

Isn't that a picture symbolizing a strong security force protecting America from illegal immigrants?

Doesn't that picture perfectly symbolize the modern conservative position on immigration?

 

[The Rabbi]

Forty years of progressive policy have brought us to this point...but it's a police problem!

Just so we get this fact clear going forward...

YOU folks on the right are supporting GOVERNMENT over individuals and over people.

However you want to twist it, that is an irrefutable FACT...

The history of mankind has been a struggle between those who want to increase freedom, opportunity and rights to all people and those who want to restrict them. The people who have always fought to increase freedom, opportunity and rights are liberals. The people who have fought to restrict them are conservatives.

The population of Ferguson is 60% black. The police force is 94% white. That alone says a great deal. The people and the cops do not have a positive, healthy working relationship. It is really the responsibility of the police force to create a good environment, and they clearly have not done so.

"It is the responsibility of the police force to create a good environment, and they have clearly not done so."

Police are not responsible for creating "environments", Esmerelda...they are responsible for enforcing the law. When someone does what Michael Brown DID it's the responsibility of the police to enforce the law that protects that convenience store owner from strong arm robbery.

Let's be honest here...who's really responsible for the "environment" in Ferguson, Missouri? Is it the police force...or is it the citizens of Ferguson? This notion that "training" of the police to respond in a different manner is going to fix things is so laughably naive that I'm embarrassed for those who put it forward. Michael Brown is dead today because of choices that HE made...not because of choices the Ferguson Police made. HE woke up that morning and decided that he'd rob the local convenience store and bully the clerk. HE decided that after robbing that store he would walk down the center of the street and ignore a request from a police officer to get on the sidewalk. HE decided to reach into that police officer's car and assault the policeman.

You are entirely wrong. It is very definitely the responsibility of the police department to create and maintain a positive working environment in the community they SERVE. Their job is to SERVE, not to be enforcers. To SERVE AND PROTECT. That is their job.

The job of police is not to enforce the law?
What planet are you from?