Uncomfortable FACT about Ferguson for conservatives...

[The Rabbi]

Just so we get this fact clear going forward...

YOU folks on the right are supporting GOVERNMENT over individuals and over people.

However you want to twist it, that is an irrefutable FACT...

The history of mankind has been a struggle between those who want to increase freedom, opportunity and rights to all people and those who want to restrict them. The people who have always fought to increase freedom, opportunity and rights are liberals. The people who have fought to restrict them are conservatives.

I think you need to look up the word "fact".
We are supporting individuals. Esp those individuals who want to live in a peaceful neighborhood and shop at stores that havent been burned down and looted.
It appears to be liberals who are fuelign these protests, which will of course result in death, injury and monetary loss for actual people. Which is typical of every liberal program: it achieves the opposite of what is claimed.

Well it was conservatives are the ones that militarized the police, ignored proper effective police practice... How many white cops were hired in a predominately black neighbourhood? The RW want to alienate the Police from the people into us and them....

Maybe conservatives didn't do that but neither did Liberals fuel these protests... so first:

Fuck the Truth

The simple minded conservatives will follow then...

You're really starting to grate.
Who has militarized police? Recall this famous picture:

What Republican was in office when that happened?
Who wants to ignore effective policing? Recall that Giuliani lowered the crime rate in NY with effective policing. DeBlasio has just ended that practice. Poor people will suffer, of course. But you dont give a shit.
Ferguson's racial makeup changed faster than the police department.
So in all your post is a hopeless jumble of mis-stated half truths, lies and unsupported generalities.

Isn't that a picture symbolizing a strong security force protecting America from illegal immigrants?

Doesn't that picture perfectly symbolize the modern conservative position on immigration?

No. It symbolizes the growing power of the police state under Janet Reno oppressing people who merely want freedom and to be left alone.

 

[Oldstyle]

Forty years of progressive policy have brought us to this point...but it's a police problem!

Just so we get this fact clear going forward...

YOU folks on the right are supporting GOVERNMENT over individuals and over people.

However you want to twist it, that is an irrefutable FACT...

The history of mankind has been a struggle between those who want to increase freedom, opportunity and rights to all people and those who want to restrict them. The people who have always fought to increase freedom, opportunity and rights are liberals. The people who have fought to restrict them are conservatives.

The population of Ferguson is 60% black. The police force is 94% white. That alone says a great deal. The people and the cops do not have a positive, healthy working relationship. It is really the responsibility of the police force to create a good environment, and they clearly have not done so.

"It is the responsibility of the police force to create a good environment, and they have clearly not done so."

Police are not responsible for creating "environments", Esmerelda...they are responsible for enforcing the law. When someone does what Michael Brown DID it's the responsibility of the police to enforce the law that protects that convenience store owner from strong arm robbery.

Let's be honest here...who's really responsible for the "environment" in Ferguson, Missouri? Is it the police force...or is it the citizens of Ferguson? This notion that "training" of the police to respond in a different manner is going to fix things is so laughably naive that I'm embarrassed for those who put it forward. Michael Brown is dead today because of choices that HE made...not because of choices the Ferguson Police made. HE woke up that morning and decided that he'd rob the local convenience store and bully the clerk. HE decided that after robbing that store he would walk down the center of the street and ignore a request from a police officer to get on the sidewalk. HE decided to reach into that police officer's car and assault the policeman.

You are entirely wrong. It is very definitely the responsibility of the police department to create and maintain a positive working environment in the community they SERVE. Their job is to SERVE, not to be enforcers. To SERVE AND PROTECT. That is their job.

That's bullshit. The police ARE enforcers. They are there to "serve and protect" people who obey the law but they are not there to "serve and protect" those who break the law.

 

[007]

It's about all of that.

No it is not. True Conservatism comes from a time and place where Freedom was as much a fantasy as elves and dragons and where the punishment for general lawlessness was worse than what we now do to murderers and rapists.

In case you missed it, this isn't the history forum. The topic pertains to the HERE AND NOW, and it appears you have no idea what sort of platforms conservatives base their beliefs on now. You must be young.

 

[Oldstyle]

What everyone on the left seems so willing to overlook is that Michael Brown had just committed a violent felony...strong armed robbery...literally moments before this shooting happened. He then compounded that by committing ANOTHER violent felony...assault and battery on a police officer.

 

[007]

Conservatives bitch about the government but they always cry the loudest for it to protect them when the shit hits the fan.

Actually protecting Americans is one of the jobs government is supposed to do. Not to call me a bigot, when I'm not supporting gay marriage. Can you see the difference?

The government didn't call you a bigot, just other normal people call you a bigot..

STFU... idiot.

 

[Stephanie]

Just so we get this fact clear going forward...

YOU folks on the right are supporting GOVERNMENT over individuals and over people.

However you want to twist it, that is an irrefutable FACT...

The history of mankind has been a struggle between those who want to increase freedom, opportunity and rights to all people and those who want to restrict them. The people who have always fought to increase freedom, opportunity and rights are liberals. The people who have fought to restrict them are conservatives.

I think you need to look up the word "fact".
We are supporting individuals. Esp those individuals who want to live in a peaceful neighborhood and shop at stores that havent been burned down and looted.
It appears to be liberals who are fuelign these protests, which will of course result in death, injury and monetary loss for actual people. Which is typical of every liberal program: it achieves the opposite of what is claimed.

Well it was conservatives are the ones that militarized the police, ignored proper effective police practice... How many white cops were hired in a predominately black neighbourhood? The RW want to alienate the Police from the people into us and them....

Maybe conservatives didn't do that but neither did Liberals fuel these protests... so first:

Fuck the Truth

The simple minded conservatives will follow then...

Really, and who has been SUPPLYING them with all these surplus military vehicles, weapons, etc etc for the LAST SIX YEARS? Conservatives haven't been in control of the Senate or Presidency. But you all need SOMEONE to blame other than Obama and your dear wonderful party of Progressive/Democrats/commies. Then you would have to face, reality

 

[Oldstyle]

Then you come on here and drone on about how the Police have failed in their obligation to make the environment better while Ferguson is being burnt to the ground by a bunch of violent protesters? It's like criticizing the Fire Department for getting your couch cushions wet after they put out a fire at your house that you started because you were "grilling" in your living room!

 

[Anathema]

In case you missed it, this isn't the history forum. The topic pertains to the HERE AND NOW, and it appears you have no idea what sort of platforms conservatives base their beliefs on now. You must be young.

I'm 40 years old. I am more than well aware of the crap that modern "conservatives" want to claim as their platform. I am talking about Real, True Conservatism, under which most of these "conservatives" today, and pretty much all Republicans would be executed as LIBERALS.

 

[The Rabbi]

What everyone on the left seems so willing to overlook is that Michael Brown had just committed a violent felony...strong armed robbery...literally moments before this shooting happened. He then compounded that by committing ANOTHER violent felony...assault and battery on a police officer.

Facts dont matter.

 

[boilermaker55]

Right it is off topic and makes no sense. Nice try at being witty.

It's a little off topic but you need to hurry on this one.

There is a Pizza place up for sale man. Real Cheap. It's not gonna last long at this price. Jump on it man before someone else buys it up. It's in Ferguson Missouri.................

Hurry though. The deal is hot.................

Back to the thread.

 

[Stephanie]

Here is the Uncomfortable FACT you all refuse to admit. Now you get to LIVE with what you put on us and our lives

snip:
Obama's Brown-shirts Are Coming - Gestapo - SS - Civilian National Security Force

 

[BlindBoo]

Just so we get this fact clear going forward...

YOU folks on the right are supporting GOVERNMENT over individuals and over people.

However you want to twist it, that is an irrefutable FACT...

The history of mankind has been a struggle between those who want to increase freedom, opportunity and rights to all people and those who want to restrict them. The people who have always fought to increase freedom, opportunity and rights are liberals. The people who have fought to restrict them are conservatives.

I think you need to look up the word "fact".
We are supporting individuals. Esp those individuals who want to live in a peaceful neighborhood and shop at stores that havent been burned down and looted.
It appears to be liberals who are fuelign these protests, which will of course result in death, injury and monetary loss for actual people. Which is typical of every liberal program: it achieves the opposite of what is claimed.

Well it was conservatives are the ones that militarized the police, ignored proper effective police practice... How many white cops were hired in a predominately black neighbourhood? The RW want to alienate the Police from the people into us and them....

Maybe conservatives didn't do that but neither did Liberals fuel these protests... so first:

Fuck the Truth

The simple minded conservatives will follow then...

You're really starting to grate.
Who has militarized police? Recall this famous picture:

What Republican was in office when that happened?
Who wants to ignore effective policing? Recall that Giuliani lowered the crime rate in NY with effective policing. DeBlasio has just ended that practice. Poor people will suffer, of course. But you dont give a shit.
Ferguson's racial makeup changed faster than the police department.
So in all your post is a hopeless jumble of mis-stated half truths, lies and unsupported generalities.

Those were INS agents. If I recall correctly Elians' mother lost legal custody and kidnapped him and tragically died trying to come here. America honored it's obligation to return him to his father.

Wasn't Jeb Bush Governor at the time?

 

[The Rabbi]

Just so we get this fact clear going forward...

YOU folks on the right are supporting GOVERNMENT over individuals and over people.

However you want to twist it, that is an irrefutable FACT...

The history of mankind has been a struggle between those who want to increase freedom, opportunity and rights to all people and those who want to restrict them. The people who have always fought to increase freedom, opportunity and rights are liberals. The people who have fought to restrict them are conservatives.

I think you need to look up the word "fact".
We are supporting individuals. Esp those individuals who want to live in a peaceful neighborhood and shop at stores that havent been burned down and looted.
It appears to be liberals who are fuelign these protests, which will of course result in death, injury and monetary loss for actual people. Which is typical of every liberal program: it achieves the opposite of what is claimed.

Well it was conservatives are the ones that militarized the police, ignored proper effective police practice... How many white cops were hired in a predominately black neighbourhood? The RW want to alienate the Police from the people into us and them....

Maybe conservatives didn't do that but neither did Liberals fuel these protests... so first:

Fuck the Truth

The simple minded conservatives will follow then...

You're really starting to grate.
Who has militarized police? Recall this famous picture:

What Republican was in office when that happened?
Who wants to ignore effective policing? Recall that Giuliani lowered the crime rate in NY with effective policing. DeBlasio has just ended that practice. Poor people will suffer, of course. But you dont give a shit.
Ferguson's racial makeup changed faster than the police department.
So in all your post is a hopeless jumble of mis-stated half truths, lies and unsupported generalities.

Those were INS agents. If I recall correctly Elians' mother lost legal custody and kidnapped him and tragically died trying to come here. America honored it's obligation to return him to his father.

Wasn't Jeb Bush Governor at the time?

The custody was disputed and insted of lettig courts deal with it Reno sent in the Gestapo, as pictured.

 

[BlindBoo]

Once again the far left narrative will always trump reality..

Actually while I see a lot of Hard Right(possibly far right in some cases) voices on this board, I see few no far left (or even Hard Left) views here,yet...

I don't think the far right here actually know what far left is. Do you know there are parties called 'The Socialist Workers party' who a no even far left. They are hard left...

The Communist Party is Hard Left...

I think the people who are making these statements are just showing themselves as Hard Right with little grasp for their place in the democratic order... These type of people are easy to manipulate and a useful fools...

LOL The conservatives on here think anyone who is liberal or progressive is a communist. They think Obama is a communist.

Or a Socialist Nazi.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Why weren't Treyvon and Michael Brown inspired by Obama? Both young men came of age during Obama's Presidency. They were each about 12-13 when Obama was first inaugurated, why did Obama's rise to power fail to inspire them?

 

[The Rabbi]

Why weren't Treyvon and Michael Brown inspired by Obama? Both young men came of age during Obama's Presidency. They were each about 12-13 when Obama was first inaugurated, why did Obama's rise to power fail to inspire them?

Who says it didnt?
In Trayvon's case it inspired him to a career as a house caser and burgler
In Brown's case he realized his aspirations as a strong arm robber.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Just so we get this fact clear going forward...

YOU folks on the right are supporting GOVERNMENT over individuals and over people.

However you want to twist it, that is an irrefutable FACT...

The history of mankind has been a struggle between those who want to increase freedom, opportunity and rights to all people and those who want to restrict them. The people who have always fought to increase freedom, opportunity and rights are liberals. The people who have fought to restrict them are conservatives.

I think you need to look up the word "fact".
We are supporting individuals. Esp those individuals who want to live in a peaceful neighborhood and shop at stores that havent been burned down and looted.
It appears to be liberals who are fuelign these protests, which will of course result in death, injury and monetary loss for actual people. Which is typical of every liberal program: it achieves the opposite of what is claimed.

Well it was conservatives are the ones that militarized the police, ignored proper effective police practice... How many white cops were hired in a predominately black neighbourhood? The RW want to alienate the Police from the people into us and them....

Maybe conservatives didn't do that but neither did Liberals fuel these protests... so first:

Fuck the Truth

The simple minded conservatives will follow then...

You're really starting to grate.
Who has militarized police? Recall this famous picture:

What Republican was in office when that happened?
Who wants to ignore effective policing? Recall that Giuliani lowered the crime rate in NY with effective policing. DeBlasio has just ended that practice. Poor people will suffer, of course. But you dont give a shit.
Ferguson's racial makeup changed faster than the police department.
So in all your post is a hopeless jumble of mis-stated half truths, lies and unsupported generalities.

Isn't that a picture symbolizing a strong security force protecting America from illegal immigrants?

Doesn't that picture perfectly symbolize the modern conservative position on immigration?

No. It symbolizes the growing power of the police state under Janet Reno oppressing people who merely want freedom and to be left alone.

Aren't there approximately 11 million people of that description in the US currently? Do you want to leave them alone?

 

[The Rabbi]

I think you need to look up the word "fact".
We are supporting individuals. Esp those individuals who want to live in a peaceful neighborhood and shop at stores that havent been burned down and looted.
It appears to be liberals who are fuelign these protests, which will of course result in death, injury and monetary loss for actual people. Which is typical of every liberal program: it achieves the opposite of what is claimed.

Well it was conservatives are the ones that militarized the police, ignored proper effective police practice... How many white cops were hired in a predominately black neighbourhood? The RW want to alienate the Police from the people into us and them....

Maybe conservatives didn't do that but neither did Liberals fuel these protests... so first:

Fuck the Truth

The simple minded conservatives will follow then...

You're really starting to grate.
Who has militarized police? Recall this famous picture:

What Republican was in office when that happened?
Who wants to ignore effective policing? Recall that Giuliani lowered the crime rate in NY with effective policing. DeBlasio has just ended that practice. Poor people will suffer, of course. But you dont give a shit.
Ferguson's racial makeup changed faster than the police department.
So in all your post is a hopeless jumble of mis-stated half truths, lies and unsupported generalities.

Isn't that a picture symbolizing a strong security force protecting America from illegal immigrants?

Doesn't that picture perfectly symbolize the modern conservative position on immigration?

No. It symbolizes the growing power of the police state under Janet Reno oppressing people who merely want freedom and to be left alone.

Aren't there approximately 11 million people of that description in the US currently? Do you want to leave them alone?

No there arent.

 

[BlindBoo]

Just so we get this fact clear going forward...

YOU folks on the right are supporting GOVERNMENT over individuals and over people.

However you want to twist it, that is an irrefutable FACT...

The history of mankind has been a struggle between those who want to increase freedom, opportunity and rights to all people and those who want to restrict them. The people who have always fought to increase freedom, opportunity and rights are liberals. The people who have fought to restrict them are conservatives.

I think you need to look up the word "fact".
We are supporting individuals. Esp those individuals who want to live in a peaceful neighborhood and shop at stores that havent been burned down and looted.
It appears to be liberals who are fuelign these protests, which will of course result in death, injury and monetary loss for actual people. Which is typical of every liberal program: it achieves the opposite of what is claimed.

Well it was conservatives are the ones that militarized the police, ignored proper effective police practice... How many white cops were hired in a predominately black neighbourhood? The RW want to alienate the Police from the people into us and them....

Maybe conservatives didn't do that but neither did Liberals fuel these protests... so first:

Fuck the Truth

The simple minded conservatives will follow then...

You're really starting to grate.
Who has militarized police? Recall this famous picture:

What Republican was in office when that happened?
Who wants to ignore effective policing? Recall that Giuliani lowered the crime rate in NY with effective policing. DeBlasio has just ended that practice. Poor people will suffer, of course. But you dont give a shit.
Ferguson's racial makeup changed faster than the police department.
So in all your post is a hopeless jumble of mis-stated half truths, lies and unsupported generalities.

Those were INS agents. If I recall correctly Elians' mother lost legal custody and kidnapped him and tragically died trying to come here. America honored it's obligation to return him to his father.

Wasn't Jeb Bush Governor at the time?

The custody was disputed and insted of lettig courts deal with it Reno sent in the Gestapo, as pictured.

Correct, in Cuba.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Well it was conservatives are the ones that militarized the police, ignored proper effective police practice... How many white cops were hired in a predominately black neighbourhood? The RW want to alienate the Police from the people into us and them....

Maybe conservatives didn't do that but neither did Liberals fuel these protests... so first:

Fuck the Truth

The simple minded conservatives will follow then...

You're really starting to grate.
Who has militarized police? Recall this famous picture:

What Republican was in office when that happened?
Who wants to ignore effective policing? Recall that Giuliani lowered the crime rate in NY with effective policing. DeBlasio has just ended that practice. Poor people will suffer, of course. But you dont give a shit.
Ferguson's racial makeup changed faster than the police department.
So in all your post is a hopeless jumble of mis-stated half truths, lies and unsupported generalities.

Isn't that a picture symbolizing a strong security force protecting America from illegal immigrants?

Doesn't that picture perfectly symbolize the modern conservative position on immigration?

No. It symbolizes the growing power of the police state under Janet Reno oppressing people who merely want freedom and to be left alone.

Aren't there approximately 11 million people of that description in the US currently? Do you want to leave them alone?

No there arent.

How many undocumented so-called illegal immigrants are there in this country?