UNIONS

[Wyatt earp]

Consumer spending accounts for 70% of our domestic product. Keeping worker compensation down keeps domestic demand down, suppressing capital investment. That's why US corporations are sitting on hundreds of billions in cash. They don't need a corporate tax cut to spur investment, they need actual consumer demand for their products and services to justify new investment, and that demand can come only from consumers being able to afford the products and services they produce.

There lies the problem with 7 plus years of a progressive president, who hates business, who implemented obama care , who wants to raise mw

It slowed down the recovery..

Who would want to invest during a president like this?

Any smart business man would weather the storm sit on his cash and wait it out.

You'll be waiting as long as wages are depressed. No increase in domestic demand - no increased investment.

Blame Obama for making it hard for workers to organize and get this economy humming again if you like. You probably blame him for everything else he had no hand in anyway.

What?

Who is blaming obama for making it harder for unions to organize?

Let me guess you are one of the fruit cakes that came up for air in the thread " obama try this one more time"

 

[Wyatt earp]

Sorry, but unions are part of the problem from an international economic competition standpoint, not part of the solution. The idea of unionism, like communism, sounds good, but in actuality works poorly in the real world. Union demands have a lot to do with the US being economically noncompetitive in the international markets.

How much is good for you? $2.75 an hour?

So are you going to work for $2.75 an hour?

What would be the difference if the federal minimum wage would be eliminated?

You think that would trump city and states minimum wage laws?

What's good for you, bear? There is theory and then there is application.

Theroy and application is this, my states MW is 7.25? Same as the national, we have been pulling in oversea jobs left and right. No non skill job pays $7.25 more like $3 bucks to $10 bucks more.

Would we bringing in jobs to this red neck state if it was union only jobs?

Nope.

How do you know this? What if the effective minimum wage based on negotiation were $6.75/hr. Would you still be fighting the real labor market setting wage levels?

Uhm I know this because I work in the real world where only 3% of Americans make MW mostly in fast food.

 

[Al Azar]

Why do you prefer that the government set wage levels, rather than market forces?

 

[Disir]

Sorry, but unions are part of the problem from an international economic competition standpoint, not part of the solution. The idea of unionism, like communism, sounds good, but in actuality works poorly in the real world. Union demands have a lot to do with the US being economically noncompetitive in the international markets.

How much is good for you? $2.75 an hour?

So are you going to work for $2.75 an hour?

What would be the difference if the federal minimum wage would be eliminated?

You think that would trump city and states minimum wage laws?

What's good for you, bear? There is theory and then there is application.

Theroy and application is this, my states MW is 7.25? Same as the national, we have been pulling in oversea jobs left and right. No non skill job pays $7.25 more like $3 bucks to $10 bucks more.

Would we bringing in jobs to this red neck state if it was union only jobs?

Nope.

Illinois MW is $8.25/hr. Chicago and surrounding areas notoriously hire illegal aliens to work. Are we really going there?

You have an opinion piece that pretty much discusses using unions as a way to influence voting particularly among "white men". What makes the entire piece, and frankly, the New York Times in general, obnoxious is that they don't talk to you...................they talk around you. See what I'm saying here?

 

[Muhammed]

Sorry, but unions are part of the problem from an international economic competition standpoint, not part of the solution. The idea of unionism, like communism, sounds good, but in actuality works poorly in the real world. Union demands have a lot to do with the US being economically noncompetitive in the international markets.

The unions certainly have worked for me.

And I will never vote for a Democrat.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Sorry, but unions are part of the problem from an international economic competition standpoint, not part of the solution. The idea of unionism, like communism, sounds good, but in actuality works poorly in the real world. Union demands have a lot to do with the US being economically noncompetitive in the international markets.

How much is good for you? $2.75 an hour?

So are you going to work for $2.75 an hour?

What would be the difference if the federal minimum wage would be eliminated?

You think that would trump city and states minimum wage laws?

What's good for you, bear? There is theory and then there is application.

Theroy and application is this, my states MW is 7.25? Same as the national, we have been pulling in oversea jobs left and right. No non skill job pays $7.25 more like $3 bucks to $10 bucks more.

Would we bringing in jobs to this red neck state if it was union only jobs?

Nope.

Illinois MW is $8.25/hr. Chicago and surrounding areas notoriously hire illegal aliens to work. Are we really going there?

You have an opinion piece that pretty much discusses using unions as a way to influence voting particularly among "white men". What makes the entire piece, and frankly, the New York Times in general, obnoxious is that they don't talk to you...................they talk around you. See what I'm saying here?

It's funny I bothered to read the link, copy the most important piece in that article and then really read your OP..




Union decline has left the working class politically and economically vulnerable, and it’s this vulnerability Mr. Trump has been able to exploit.


The way I look at it the Unions are the one that helped create the middle class and the primary drivers that are trying to destroy the middle class.

We want jobs for all millions and millions of people, unions want high wages for the few and fuck the rest who don't suck the union boss dick.

 

[Disir]

How much is good for you? $2.75 an hour?

So are you going to work for $2.75 an hour?

What would be the difference if the federal minimum wage would be eliminated?

You think that would trump city and states minimum wage laws?

What's good for you, bear? There is theory and then there is application.

Theroy and application is this, my states MW is 7.25? Same as the national, we have been pulling in oversea jobs left and right. No non skill job pays $7.25 more like $3 bucks to $10 bucks more.

Would we bringing in jobs to this red neck state if it was union only jobs?

Nope.

Illinois MW is $8.25/hr. Chicago and surrounding areas notoriously hire illegal aliens to work. Are we really going there?

You have an opinion piece that pretty much discusses using unions as a way to influence voting particularly among "white men". What makes the entire piece, and frankly, the New York Times in general, obnoxious is that they don't talk to you...................they talk around you. See what I'm saying here?

It's funny I bothered to read the link, copy the most important piece in that article and then really read your OP..




Union decline has left the working class politically and economically vulnerable, and it’s this vulnerability Mr. Trump has been able to exploit.


The way I look at it the Unions are the one that helped create the middle class and the primary drivers that are trying to destroy the middle class.

We want jobs for all millions and millions of people, unions want high wages for the few and fuck the rest who don't suck the union boss dick.

First of all, it isn't my OP. You might want to start over.

 

[Nosmo King]

"Union decline has left the working class politically and economically vulnerable, and it’s this vulnerability Mr. Trump has been able to exploit. (For obvious reasons, working-class African-Americans and Latinos are antipathetic.) If unions had anything like their former influence, how many workers would buy the empty economic promises Mr. Trump is making — a man whose recently announced economic advisory team is made up largely of fellow billionaires, and who has said that hourly wages are too high?

There’s a lesson here for the future. American unions have a checkered history and are far from perfect. But as an institution, unions are an essential bulwark for democracy. We’ve allowed them to wither at our peril."

article

Wages ARE too high in America if we are to continue with globalization. Our advanced economic system has to be regressed to meet with the developing countries if we are to compete with them.

Race to the bottom?

 

[Wyatt earp]

"Union decline has left the working class politically and economically vulnerable, and it’s this vulnerability Mr. Trump has been able to exploit. (For obvious reasons, working-class African-Americans and Latinos are antipathetic.) If unions had anything like their former influence, how many workers would buy the empty economic promises Mr. Trump is making — a man whose recently announced economic advisory team is made up largely of fellow billionaires, and who has said that hourly wages are too high?

There’s a lesson here for the future. American unions have a checkered history and are far from perfect. But as an institution, unions are an essential bulwark for democracy. We’ve allowed them to wither at our peril."

article

Wages ARE too high in America if we are to continue with globalization. Our advanced economic system has to be regressed to meet with the developing countries if we are to compete with them.

Race to the bottom?

Trickle up poor? If we make 50% of all workers who make $15 bucks an hour today..


Make Minimum wage workers tomorrow?

 

[Wyatt earp]

"Union decline has left the working class politically and economically vulnerable, and it’s this vulnerability Mr. Trump has been able to exploit. (For obvious reasons, working-class African-Americans and Latinos are antipathetic.) If unions had anything like their former influence, how many workers would buy the empty economic promises Mr. Trump is making — a man whose recently announced economic advisory team is made up largely of fellow billionaires, and who has said that hourly wages are too high?

There’s a lesson here for the future. American unions have a checkered history and are far from perfect. But as an institution, unions are an essential bulwark for democracy. We’ve allowed them to wither at our peril."

article

Wages ARE too high in America if we are to continue with globalization. Our advanced economic system has to be regressed to meet with the developing countries if we are to compete with them.

Race to the bottom?

Trickle up poor? If we make 50% of all workers who make $15 bucks an hour today..


Make Minimum wage workers tomorrow?

Answer me that question is the millions upon millions of $15 dollar an hour workers going to get a $7 dollar an hour raise?

 

[Nosmo King]

"Union decline has left the working class politically and economically vulnerable, and it’s this vulnerability Mr. Trump has been able to exploit. (For obvious reasons, working-class African-Americans and Latinos are antipathetic.) If unions had anything like their former influence, how many workers would buy the empty economic promises Mr. Trump is making — a man whose recently announced economic advisory team is made up largely of fellow billionaires, and who has said that hourly wages are too high?

There’s a lesson here for the future. American unions have a checkered history and are far from perfect. But as an institution, unions are an essential bulwark for democracy. We’ve allowed them to wither at our peril."

article

Wages ARE too high in America if we are to continue with globalization. Our advanced economic system has to be regressed to meet with the developing countries if we are to compete with them.

Race to the bottom?

Trickle up poor? If we make 50% of all workers who make $15 bucks an hour today..


Make Minimum wage workers tomorrow?

Answer me that question is the millions upon millions of $15 dollar an hour workers going to get a $7 dollar an hour raise?

What drives our economy? The answer is simple: consumer spending. More disposable income means more consumer spending. And that means economic growth and stability.

 

[sealybobo]

"Union decline has left the working class politically and economically vulnerable, and it’s this vulnerability Mr. Trump has been able to exploit. (For obvious reasons, working-class African-Americans and Latinos are antipathetic.) If unions had anything like their former influence, how many workers would buy the empty economic promises Mr. Trump is making — a man whose recently announced economic advisory team is made up largely of fellow billionaires, and who has said that hourly wages are too high?

There’s a lesson here for the future. American unions have a checkered history and are far from perfect. But as an institution, unions are an essential bulwark for democracy. We’ve allowed them to wither at our peril."

article

Wages ARE too high in America if we are to continue with globalization. Our advanced economic system has to be regressed to meet with the developing countries if we are to compete with them.

Eventually the rest of the world catches up but the corporations will always hop from the cheapest country to the next cheapest country as soon as the previous countries wages increase.

I came here to ask a question. Why doesn't someone start a union anyone can join? I think that would be cool. Membership and benefits would be low but would grow as working conditions got worse. It should be real cheap to join but united enough of us could have an impact. We would boycott companies that behaved badly. I should do it