United States Imperialism

[protectionist]

Which Nato Country did Serbia attack before those Nato gangsters bombed them for 78 days? which Nato Country did Libya attack before they reduced it to rat shit?

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[Deadstick]

Well, how much is it?

Get off your arse and read the link i posted.

Yes and somehow they truly believe NATO is a defensive alliance. LMFAO.

The worst part is, i don't think they do believe it.

 

[francoHFW]

I don't care if it's a pint of stolen oil.

Bollocks!!! what is it with you people?

The GOP believed the UK savage capitalist propaganda that socialist are communists, so they attacked Chile Argentina Nicaragua Venezuela Etcetera Etcetera. Aarghhh oh sorry.

 

[Deadstick]

The GOP believed the UK savage capitalist propaganda that socialist are communists, so they attacked Chile Argentina Nicaragua Venezuela Etcetera Etcetera. Aarghhh oh sorry.

To some of those headbangers anyone who isn't a fascist is a communist, they were on the wrong side in WW2.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

So you agree with theft, some of you people don't even realise how low and depraved your Country has sunk.

Da, comrade!

 

[protectionist]

Get off your arse and read the link i posted.

The worst part is, i don't think they do believe it.

I don't see Russia attacking Poland, Romania, or Germany, do you ?

 

[Deadstick]

Da, comrade!

You sound like a lost cause, just too far gone.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You sound like a lost cause, just too far gone.

If you say so, tovarisch.

 

[Deadstick]

I don't see Russia attacking Poland, Romania, or Germany, do you ?

No i don't, it's more likely the Poles or those Baltic yapping dogs will do something more stupid than they already have against Russia. still doesn't change the fact that Nato is not defensive, it may have started out that way but not now.

 

[Deadstick]

If you say so, tovarisch.

I do say so Heinrich.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I do say so Heinrich.

Ok Lenin.

 

[francoHFW]

So you agree with theft, some of you people don't even realise how low and depraved your Country has sunk.

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Kosovo, And Gaddafi was attacking rebels with tanks. We just beat them to it.

the country is not depraved, it's the right wingers as usual....

 

[Dayton3]

Lol. You might listen to the general who helped win WWII, when he gave his presidential farewell address all the way back in 1960. Ever heard of him?

Eisenhower was wrong

 

[Deadstick]

Ok Lenin.

No problem Adolf.

 

[Deadstick]

Kosovo, And Gaddafi was attacking rebels with tanks. We just beat them to it.

the country is not depraved, it's the right wingers as usual....

They deserved to be attacked with tanks, in Libya they were Islamist nutters from the Islamic fighting group,same in Kosovo a bunch of head hacking lunatics killing not just Serbs but Albanians who got in the way.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

No problem Adolf.

 

[Mushroom]

It's not insignificant to YOU if you are a US businessman, selling whatever, and your sales are reduced, because money that could/would have been paid to US citizens, and thereby spent in your establishment, is instead NOT being spent in your establishment, because instead of those US workers getting it & spending it to YOU, migrants are getting that money, and sending it out of the country.

Oh nonsense, I have been a businessman here in the US.

Want to know the largest threat that is killing businesses in the US? People deciding to spend their money online and purchasing most of their stuff directly from overseas.

You really do have a simplistic concept of how commerce works, don't you?

 

[Mushroom]

The so-called "Conquest" of the American Indians, could as well or better be called the Liberaton of them - from their dominations by other tribes, their own internal struggles, and their low levels of technology. How many American Indians living today would trade away their houses with indoor plumbing, air conditioning, TV, radio, stereos, cell phones, automobiles, etc to go back to living in tents, riding horses, and living in a hunting/gathering culture ?

Not really, of course most people really have no real concept of what the Indians were like, or how they lived.

I bet if asked most people could name off a dozen or so tribes, and almost all of them have something in common. Those were the more aggressive and warlike tribes that were fighting others long before Europeans even arrived on the Continent. For example, two that most will almost always talk about are the Apache and Lakota. Both of which were very aggressive and attacked anybody they came in contact with.

In fact, the Lakota have a special place in that. Yes, their Reservation is now in the Dakotas, but they were originally from the Lower Mississippi region. They were a highly nomadic tribe, that first started their wandering when the Mississippian Culture imploded in the early 15th century. They then wandered up the Mississippi, until they reached the Great Lakes. There the Council of the Three Fires (an Anishinaabe alliance) defeated them and they turned West. And ran across tribe after tribe, each time resulting in years of warfare between them.

Now that meeting with the Anishinaabe was at roughly the time that Europeans started to arrive on the coast, and where they got the nickname they are most well known for. "Sioux", an Ojibwe word for a small rattlesnake. And that name preceded them as they continued west, bashing their way through tribe after tribe. In essence, they were an American version of the Huns, Mongols, and a great many nomadic Eurasian bands. In over 300 years of wandering they never once settled down to make a home, they were always on the move.

By the time "White Man" discovered them, they were in the border area between Minnesota and Wisconsin. By the time the Americans came in contact with them they were in the Dakotas and Wyoming. Do not forget that what they claimed as their "homeland" of the Black Hills actually belonged to the Cheyenne and Crow. The Lakota arrived in the late 1700s and pushed out the other tribes. But do not think they were settling down, as by the mid 1800s they were moving in on western Wyoming and coming into conflict with the Shoshone.

If not for being finally pinned down on a reservation, they would have likely ended up in the Portland area by this time. And likely would have then had to make a decision, to turn north or south.

Most of the tribes were actually pretty peaceful, but that often changed when they came into contact with the more warlike bands like the Lakota. Early trappers who met many like the Shoshone, Crow, Arapaho, and others in that area found them to be rather peaceful people. Sacagawea was from the Shoshone and they had yet to become aggressive as they had not yet had contact with the Lakota. However, things were very different 6 decades later when they came into contact with Americans again.

By that time they had been skirmishing with the Lakota for decades, and had become much more warlike. And after a few battles tensions quickly eased off when they realized that most of those "settlers" they had been attacking were on their way to Oregon and not intending to settle near them.

But not all tribes were simple hunter-gatherers. Many were at the time the Europeans arrived exploring basic metallurgy and had some great skills in hybridization and selective breeding to create new crops. But they never had the population density to require the kind of agriculture that was used in Eurasia. Making a farm is a labor intensive operation (especially with no beasts of burden that can be used to assist like oxen), and simply not needed when most of the land is wide open and available. And for the few groups that did start to make that leap from basic hinter-gathering living, most did not last very long.

Most know of the Aztecs, the most populous in two continents. But we had the Mississippian Culture at about the same time, and they did not survive. They had huge cities, canals, and were even building monolithic earthworks. However, it did not survive and over half a century before Columbus even arrive it imploded and fragmented into multiple aggressive and hostile bands that then scattered. That is believed to be a major reason why the farther from that area the settlers settled, the more peaceful the natives were. The ones that had been once a part of the Mississippians or associated with them carried a xenophobia that caused them to be aggressive to almost any other groups of people.

And yes, there was also a religious aspect to it as the Mississippians and many of the tribes they spawned still practiced human sacrifice. Something the Europeans detested and did all they could to crush. One of the last recorded being the Pawnee, the last "official" record of that ritual was in 1838. But many believe it was still done in secret for another decade or so until it finally died out completely.

 

[francoHFW]

Not really, of course most people really have no real concept of what the Indians were like, or how they lived.

I bet if asked most people could name off a dozen or so tribes, and almost all of them have something in common. Those were the more aggressive and warlike tribes that were fighting others long before Europeans even arrived on the Continent. For example, two that most will almost always talk about are the Apache and Lakota. Both of which were very aggressive and attacked anybody they came in contact with.

In fact, the Lakota have a special place in that. Yes, their Reservation is now in the Dakotas, but they were originally from the Lower Mississippi region. They were a highly nomadic tribe, that first started their wandering when the Mississippian Culture imploded in the early 15th century. They then wandered up the Mississippi, until they reached the Great Lakes. There the Council of the Three Fires (an Anishinaabe alliance) defeated them and they turned West. And ran across tribe after tribe, each time resulting in years of warfare between them.

Now that meeting with the Anishinaabe was at roughly the time that Europeans started to arrive on the coast, and where they got the nickname they are most well known for. "Sioux", an Ojibwe word for a small rattlesnake. And that name preceded them as they continued west, bashing their way through tribe after tribe. In essence, they were an American version of the Huns, Mongols, and a great many nomadic Eurasian bands. In over 300 years of wandering they never once settled down to make a home, they were always on the move.

By the time "White Man" discovered them, they were in the border area between Minnesota and Wisconsin. By the time the Americans came in contact with them they were in the Dakotas and Wyoming. Do not forget that what they claimed as their "homeland" of the Black Hills actually belonged to the Cheyenne and Crow. The Lakota arrived in the late 1700s and pushed out the other tribes. But do not think they were settling down, as by the mid 1800s they were moving in on western Wyoming and coming into conflict with the Shoshone.

If not for being finally pinned down on a reservation, they would have likely ended up in the Portland area by this time. And likely would have then had to make a decision, to turn north or south.

Most of the tribes were actually pretty peaceful, but that often changed when they came into contact with the more warlike bands like the Lakota. Early trappers who met many like the Shoshone, Crow, Arapaho, and others in that area found them to be rather peaceful people. Sacagawea was from the Shoshone and they had yet to become aggressive as they had not yet had contact with the Lakota. However, things were very different 6 decades later when they came into contact with Americans again.

By that time they had been skirmishing with the Lakota for decades, and had become much more warlike. And after a few battles tensions quickly eased off when they realized that most of those "settlers" they had been attacking were on their way to Oregon and not intending to settle near them.

But not all tribes were simple hunter-gatherers. Many were at the time the Europeans arrived exploring basic metallurgy and had some great skills in hybridization and selective breeding to create new crops. But they never had the population density to require the kind of agriculture that was used in Eurasia. Making a farm is a labor intensive operation (especially with no beasts of burden that can be used to assist like oxen), and simply not needed when most of the land is wide open and available. And for the few groups that did start to make that leap from basic hinter-gathering living, most did not last very long.

Most know of the Aztecs, the most populous in two continents. But we had the Mississippian Culture at about the same time, and they did not survive. They had huge cities, canals, and were even building monolithic earthworks. However, it did not survive and over half a century before Columbus even arrive it imploded and fragmented into multiple aggressive and hostile bands that then scattered. That is believed to be a major reason why the farther from that area the settlers settled, the more peaceful the natives were. The ones that had been once a part of the Mississippians or associated with them carried a xenophobia that caused them to be aggressive to almost any other groups of people.

And yes, there was also a religious aspect to it as the Mississippians and many of the tribes they spawned still practiced human sacrifice. Something the Europeans detested and did all they could to crush. One of the last recorded being the Pawnee, the last "official" record of that ritual was in 1838. But many believe it was still done in secret for another decade or so until it finally died out completely.

At any rate at least 80% of the Indians died from European diseases so it's pretty moot. I don't know how much of what you say is true, it is more pessimistic than I've seen and of course is ethnocentric from the white standpoint. In Little Big Man, they talked about how the Indians were more worried about being embarrassed than being killed, it was worse to be clubbed than killed in their battles, and no matter who was winning the other side would get a chance to charge and have glory also. They also were very tolerant of gays and trans people for example LOL. And the white people in the Old West were not exactly 21st century types....

 

[francoHFW]

They deserved to be attacked with tanks, in Libya they were Islamist nutters from the Islamic fighting group,same in Kosovo a bunch of head hacking lunatics killing not just Serbs but Albanians who got in the way.

No these rebels were for democracy and getting rid of Gaddafi and were supported by the Italians and the French and us. And Gaddafi was a scumbag terrorist dictator. And Kosovo is an independent country and Clinton got us out of there with no boots on the ground or casualties, just like Obama in Libya. As opposed to your huge GOP send in the 82nd airborne disasters