Universal Healthcare - will not work in the US

[Thinker101]

Yes, they do...BUT - do any want to TRADE their system for ours?

The problem with our system as it is is this - if you don't have insurance or the means to privately pay (or you aren't so poor as to qualify for Medicaid) you are fucked.

Not that many come here that's b*******. Alex trebek lives here. I

Yes, they do...BUT - do any want to TRADE their system for ours?

The problem with our system as it is is this - if you don't have insurance or the means to privately pay (or you aren't so poor as to qualify for Medicaid) you are fucked.

75% of those on the exchanges pay less than $100 a month with Obamacare. One hell of a lot better.
live near Buffalo and there are no Canadians in the hospital, it is only the extremely rich and probably right wing.

Mick Jagger is a liberal British subject who needed heart surgery. He came here to America, instead of having it for free with the NHS.

People like quality

And that's great. When you are wealthy and can afford choices.

But for those that CAN'T - at least they get something.

They can afford choices and choose the best. You want second rate medical care I'm sure there are a number of foreign countries that would be glad to take your money...dumbass.

Funny how people live longer in all the other rich countries. Anything for the greedy idiot rich I guess. LOL

Didn't take you long to jump in there with some dumbass, unrelated comment.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

If they work they can get insurance through their employer or through the ACA.

If they can afford it. And thats a big if in this country. Many working can’t.

And those we should help. Why throw 150mil who can afford it off their plans? Also why can I not get free plumbing? Without heat I can die in the winter time?

Choose to rent and they will handle your plumbing,

Choose a strong employer and they will cover your insurance. Hell, I hear Home Depot has very good insurance.

Next....

I also hear that benefits such as healthcare are not as widespread as they once were due to more of the work force being labeled as "contractors" and not quite full time. That's a real issue imo.

ACA is still there. Is it not all that it is cracked up to be?

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

I find it amusing how people insist that our doctors can not make a living under universal care in America, because the government does not pay them in accordance with their high education costs. First of all, this ignores the success of Medicare. I live in a retirement community of 31,000 people, all of whom are retired,and over 55, yet, I can get in to see my doctor within a week, and we have our own private hospital which takes Medicare patients.. Secondly, most of us go to Mexico for dental work at less than 33% of the cost by American dentists, yet the Mexican dentists are almost all educated in the US.

Cannot is one word. And those doctors don’t make as much as those who take private pay. This is why so many go into plastic surgery and laser eye surgery. All cash and you can make a lot more.

 

[Vandalshandle]

No country in the world has EVER said that they wanted to drop universal care and adopt our system of health care.

No country in the world is as good as the US.

False:

Ranking Best Health Care Systems in the World by Country

 

[Coyote]

If they can afford it. And thats a big if in this country. Many working can’t.

And those we should help. Why throw 150mil who can afford it off their plans? Also why can I not get free plumbing? Without heat I can die in the winter time?

Choose to rent and they will handle your plumbing,

Choose a strong employer and they will cover your insurance. Hell, I hear Home Depot has very good insurance.

Next....

I also hear that benefits such as healthcare are not as widespread as they once were due to more of the work force being labeled as "contractors" and not quite full time. That's a real issue imo.

ACA is still there. Is it not all that it is cracked up to be?

It has been systemically and deliberately eroded and dismantled - what is there is still working. Every attempt at fixing identified problems however, was shot down by the Republicans

I think the basic ideas are good and it preserves a combination of private and public, and it increased the number of insured people.

That should be good right?

 

[Vandalshandle]

I find it amusing how people insist that our doctors can not make a living under universal care in America, because the government does not pay them in accordance with their high education costs. First of all, this ignores the success of Medicare. I live in a retirement community of 31,000 people, all of whom are retired,and over 55, yet, I can get in to see my doctor within a week, and we have our own private hospital which takes Medicare patients.. Secondly, most of us go to Mexico for dental work at less than 33% of the cost by American dentists, yet the Mexican dentists are almost all educated in the US.

Cannot is one word. And those doctors don’t make as much as those who take private pay. This is why so many go into plastic surgery and laser eye surgery. All cash and you can make a lot more.

My career was 50 years of reimbursing doctors under insurance companies, and HMO's. The Medicare reimbursement rates are virtually the same as HMO reimbursement rates.

 

[francoHFW]

Not that many come here that's b*******. Alex trebek lives here. I
75% of those on the exchanges pay less than $100 a month with Obamacare. One hell of a lot better.
live near Buffalo and there are no Canadians in the hospital, it is only the extremely rich and probably right wing.

Mick Jagger is a liberal British subject who needed heart surgery. He came here to America, instead of having it for free with the NHS.

People like quality

Really really rich people like a lot of privacy. That's what they paid for as much as anything. Screw the pompous rich anyway.

Mick Jagger is a liberal British subject who needed heart surgery. He came here to America, instead of having it for free with the NHS.

People like quality

Really really rich people like a lot of privacy. That's what they paid for as much as anything. Screw the pompous rich anyway.

Sure, Mr. Jagger is fairly wealthy, a net worth of $360 Million or so.

To save that kind of scratch, he doesn't waste money.

Even though it may be expensive to have heart surgery in America, its still a value purchase.

There will always be private hospitals for people like that.

Especially here. By the way he should be taxed more.

I've never encountered a socialist scumbag who didn't believe others should be taxed more.

The only people in the entire world who believe there should be a flat tax like we have now are brainwashed GOP voters who have another planet of their own. Poor America. The middle-class and infrastructure are going to hell because there is no money for investment in them... 4 30 years now

 

[Vandalshandle]

"Key findings: The U.S. ranked last on performance overall and ranked last or near last on the Access, Administrative Efficiency, Equity, and Health Care Outcomes domains. The top-ranked countries overall were the U.K., Australia, and the Netherlands. Based on a broad range of indicators, the U.S. health system is an outlier, spending far more but falling short of the performance achieved by other high-income countries. The results suggest the U.S. health care system should look at other countries’ approaches if it wants to achieve an affordable high-performing health care system that serves all Americans."

Ranking Best Health Care Systems in the World by Country

 

[francoHFW]

And those we should help. Why throw 150mil who can afford it off their plans? Also why can I not get free plumbing? Without heat I can die in the winter time?

Choose to rent and they will handle your plumbing,

Choose a strong employer and they will cover your insurance. Hell, I hear Home Depot has very good insurance.

Next....

I also hear that benefits such as healthcare are not as widespread as they once were due to more of the work force being labeled as "contractors" and not quite full time. That's a real issue imo.

ACA is still there. Is it not all that it is cracked up to be?

It has been systemically and deliberately eroded and dismantled - what is there is still working. Every attempt at fixing identified problems however, was shot down by the Republicans

I think the basic ideas are good and it preserves a combination of private and public, and it increased the number of insured people.

That should be good right?

We need a public option that would over time finish off private for-profit insurers. But mandates are a bad idea if you want to win an election.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

No country in the world has EVER said that they wanted to drop universal care and adopt our system of health care.

No country in the world is as good as the US.

False:

Ranking Best Health Care Systems in the World by Country

I never said just by health system. I said in general.

 

[francoHFW]

"Key findings: The U.S. ranked last on performance overall and ranked last or near last on the Access, Administrative Efficiency, Equity, and Health Care Outcomes domains. The top-ranked countries overall were the U.K., Australia, and the Netherlands. Based on a broad range of indicators, the U.S. health system is an outlier, spending far more but falling short of the performance achieved by other high-income countries. The results suggest the U.S. health care system should look at other countries’ approaches if it wants to achieve an affordable high-performing health care system that serves all Americans."

Ranking Best Health Care Systems in the World by Country

I think most of that would take care of itself if we covered everyone. We have enough equipment to last for years without any rationing that's for sure seems to me. We have a MRI and cat scan machines coming out of our ears LOL relative to other countries.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

And those we should help. Why throw 150mil who can afford it off their plans? Also why can I not get free plumbing? Without heat I can die in the winter time?

Choose to rent and they will handle your plumbing,

Choose a strong employer and they will cover your insurance. Hell, I hear Home Depot has very good insurance.

Next....

I also hear that benefits such as healthcare are not as widespread as they once were due to more of the work force being labeled as "contractors" and not quite full time. That's a real issue imo.

ACA is still there. Is it not all that it is cracked up to be?

It has been systemically and deliberately eroded and dismantled - what is there is still working. Every attempt at fixing identified problems however, was shot down by the Republicans

I think the basic ideas are good and it preserves a combination of private and public, and it increased the number of insured people.

That should be good right?

The ideas that the healthy have to buy insurance to pay for the sick? Pass....

 

[Vandalshandle]

Choose to rent and they will handle your plumbing,

Choose a strong employer and they will cover your insurance. Hell, I hear Home Depot has very good insurance.

Next....

I also hear that benefits such as healthcare are not as widespread as they once were due to more of the work force being labeled as "contractors" and not quite full time. That's a real issue imo.

ACA is still there. Is it not all that it is cracked up to be?

It has been systemically and deliberately eroded and dismantled - what is there is still working. Every attempt at fixing identified problems however, was shot down by the Republicans

I think the basic ideas are good and it preserves a combination of private and public, and it increased the number of insured people.

That should be good right?

We need a public option that would over time finish off private for-profit insurers. But mandates are a bad idea if you want to win an election.

If universal health care is implemented, adverse selection is guaranteed if you don't insure 100% of the population. Adverse selection causes spiraling costs, and ends with only an uninsurable population. The only reason why Medicare works is that you may not opt out of it.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Choose a strong employer and they will cover your insurance. Hell, I hear Home Depot has very good insurance.

Next....

I also hear that benefits such as healthcare are not as widespread as they once were due to more of the work force being labeled as "contractors" and not quite full time. That's a real issue imo.

ACA is still there. Is it not all that it is cracked up to be?

It has been systemically and deliberately eroded and dismantled - what is there is still working. Every attempt at fixing identified problems however, was shot down by the Republicans

I think the basic ideas are good and it preserves a combination of private and public, and it increased the number of insured people.

That should be good right?

We need a public option that would over time finish off private for-profit insurers. But mandates are a bad idea if you want to win an election.

If universal health care is implemented, adverse selection is guaranteed if you don't insure 100% of the population. Adverse selection causes spiraling costs, and ends with only an uninsurable population. The only reason why Medicare works is that you may not opt out of it.

Yet just about every other country has that option. Odd. You talk in circles.

 

[francoHFW]

No country in the world has EVER said that they wanted to drop universal care and adopt our system of health care.

No country in the world is as good as the US.

False:

Ranking Best Health Care Systems in the World by Country

I never said just by health system. I said in general.

Not anymore after 35 years of GOP retrograde give away to the rich. The place is falling apart.and we are the only rich country without Healthcare daycare paid parental leave cheap college and training good vacations and great infrastructure. And the only one with a flat tax system just for the GOP greedy idiot rich.

 

[Coyote]

Choose to rent and they will handle your plumbing,

Choose a strong employer and they will cover your insurance. Hell, I hear Home Depot has very good insurance.

Next....

I also hear that benefits such as healthcare are not as widespread as they once were due to more of the work force being labeled as "contractors" and not quite full time. That's a real issue imo.

ACA is still there. Is it not all that it is cracked up to be?

It has been systemically and deliberately eroded and dismantled - what is there is still working. Every attempt at fixing identified problems however, was shot down by the Republicans

I think the basic ideas are good and it preserves a combination of private and public, and it increased the number of insured people.

That should be good right?

The ideas that the healthy have to buy insurance to pay for the sick? Pass....

Unfortunately...it's kind of how insurance works...IF you want low premiums and pre-existing conditions covered.

 

[Toro]

I agree.

As a Canadian who has lived in the UK and has lived in America for over two decades, I don’t believe Americans have the culture or mentality for universal healthcare.

 

[Polishprince]

Choose to rent and they will handle your plumbing,

Choose a strong employer and they will cover your insurance. Hell, I hear Home Depot has very good insurance.

Next....

I also hear that benefits such as healthcare are not as widespread as they once were due to more of the work force being labeled as "contractors" and not quite full time. That's a real issue imo.

ACA is still there. Is it not all that it is cracked up to be?

It has been systemically and deliberately eroded and dismantled - what is there is still working. Every attempt at fixing identified problems however, was shot down by the Republicans

I think the basic ideas are good and it preserves a combination of private and public, and it increased the number of insured people.

That should be good right?

We need a public option that would over time finish off private for-profit insurers. But mandates are a bad idea if you want to win an election.

Why would you think that a Public Option would "finish off" private insurers?

Would a government agency be willing to pay big premiums to the top medical providers and lock them up? That's would be the key to competition- quality.

 

[francoHFW]

I also hear that benefits such as healthcare are not as widespread as they once were due to more of the work force being labeled as "contractors" and not quite full time. That's a real issue imo.

ACA is still there. Is it not all that it is cracked up to be?

It has been systemically and deliberately eroded and dismantled - what is there is still working. Every attempt at fixing identified problems however, was shot down by the Republicans

I think the basic ideas are good and it preserves a combination of private and public, and it increased the number of insured people.

That should be good right?

We need a public option that would over time finish off private for-profit insurers. But mandates are a bad idea if you want to win an election.

If universal health care is implemented, adverse selection is guaranteed if you don't insure 100% of the population. Adverse selection causes spiraling costs, and ends with only an uninsurable population. The only reason why Medicare works is that you may not opt out of it.

Yet just about every other country has that option. Odd. You talk in circles.

What the hell is adverse selection? Anyway there is so much waste in our system it is ridiculous.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

No country in the world has EVER said that they wanted to drop universal care and adopt our system of health care.

No country in the world is as good as the US.

False:

Ranking Best Health Care Systems in the World by Country

I never said just by health system. I said in general.

Not anymore after 35 years of GOP retrograde give away to the rich. The place is falling apart.and we are the only rich country without Healthcare daycare paid parental leave cheap college and training good vacations and great infrastructure. And the only one with a flat tax system just for the GOP greedy idiot rich.

We are the most innovative, have the best sports and entertainment, inexpensive food and fancy food if you like, best schools, best hospitals and Tom Brady. We are the best. By far.