US Drones Kill 28 "Unknowns" for Every Intended Target

[Spare_change]

LOL..that was 11+ years ago..

How have things changed in Iraq, Libya, and Syria since that time?

Actually, there have been significant changes in Iraq ... amazing changes, in fact. Take a look at the number of power plants, dams, power distribution, schools, water plants, number of women in school, number of women voting, roads, average income, etc.

You are speaking from ignorance ... ask those who have been there.

Now, let's see ... Syria (no Americans), Libya (no Americans) .... hmmm, I think I'm sensing a trend here.

 

[georgephillip]

Iraq was never attacked because it was Iraq. It was attacked because it was a way to control troops and materiel from moving from Syria to Iran and vice versa. It would interrupt weapons traffic to Hamas, etc. First, settle Iraq (west of Iran), then Afghanistan (east of Iran), then Iran - and you control the Middle East. You give freedom a chance to survive in the area.

IS is your idea of "freedom?" The US invasion of Iraq is a classic example of the supreme international crime in that "it contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole."
"Article 39 of the United Nations Charter provides that the UN Security Council shall determine the existence of any act of aggression and 'shall make recommendations, or decide what measures shall be taken in accordance with Articles 41 and 42, to maintain or restore international peace and security'".
War of aggression - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[Spare_change]

Iraq was never attacked because it was Iraq. It was attacked because it was a way to control troops and materiel from moving from Syria to Iran and vice versa. It would interrupt weapons traffic to Hamas, etc. First, settle Iraq (west of Iran), then Afghanistan (east of Iran), then Iran - and you control the Middle East. You give freedom a chance to survive in the area.

IS is your idea of "freedom?" The US invasion of Iraq is a classic example of the supreme international crime in that "it contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole."
"Article 39 of the United Nations Charter provides that the UN Security Council shall determine the existence of any act of aggression and 'shall make recommendations, or decide what measures shall be taken in accordance with Articles 41 and 42, to maintain or restore international peace and security'".
War of aggression - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Oh dang --- I didn't know this was a Humor thread! You're seriously going to quote the UN Security Council? Surely, you can do better than that .... try the Sunday comics.

 

[georgephillip]

Administration supporters quipped "his son should have picked a better father" and so-called "investigative reporters" were silent.

Only the corporate versions were silent:
Jeremy Scahill Dirty Wars

 

[georgephillip]

Oh dang --- I didn't know this was a Humor thread! You're seriously going to quote the UN Security Council? Surely, you can do better than that .... try the Sunday comics.

Too many big words, Gomer?

 

[georgephillip]

Actually, there have been significant changes in Iraq ... amazing changes, in fact. Take a look at the number of power plants, dams, power distribution, schools, water plants, number of women in school, number of women voting, roads, average income, etc.

Post a few links, Gomer, unless your subscription to the Sunday comics has run out.

 

[georgephillip]

Yeah, but as long as Obammy doesn't waterboard them, it's all good...

Too late?

 

[depotoo]

China Fraud Accusations Wesley Clark s Ex-Firm Faces Questions - ABC News Wesley Clark?

hen the failing foreign policy reaches the breaking point and the fight moves to the states, imo the liberals will change their tunes

Why would you think current events in the Middle East represent a failure of US foreign policy?
"In Clark's book, Winning Modern Wars, published in 2003, he describes his conversation with a military officer in the Pentagon shortly after 9/11 regarding a plan to attack seven Middle Eastern countries in five years: 'As I went back through the Pentagon in November 2001, one of the senior military staff officers had time for a chat.

"'Yes, we were still on track for going against Iraq, he said. But there was more. This was being discussed as part of a five-year campaign plan, he said, and there were a total of seven countries, beginning with Iraq, then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and finishing off Iran." [1
Wesley Clark - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[georgephillip]

Yeah ... what about it?

Connect the dots, Gomer:

 

[Spare_change]

Actually, there have been significant changes in Iraq ... amazing changes, in fact. Take a look at the number of power plants, dams, power distribution, schools, water plants, number of women in school, number of women voting, roads, average income, etc.

Post a few links, Gomer, unless your subscription to the Sunday comics has run out.

I assume you're not smart enough to look it up yourself?? I'm supposed to do extra work because you posted ignorance without a link?

Get a grip ---

But, to salve your obviously all consuming quest for knowledge, I'll give you a few to get you started.

Cultural Heritage - From the President - Renewal in Iraq - Archaeology Magazine Archive

Infrastructure (numbers are 2005 - imagine what they are NOW!)

By May of 2005, the following indicators of Iraq's resuscitated viability as a sovereign state could be seen:

• 47 countries worldwide had re-established their embassies in Iraq;
• 1.2 million Iraqi people were employed by the country's new government;
• 3,100 schools had been renovated, and another 354 were under rehabilitation;
• 38 new schools had been built, and another 263 were under construction;
• the Iraqi Police Service consisted of more than 55,000 fully trained and equipped police officers;
• 5 Police Academies nationwide were producing over 3,500 new officers every 8 weeks;
• there were more than 1,100 major building projects underway in Iraq, including 364 schools, 67 public clinics, 15 hospitals, 83 railroad stations, 22 oil facilities, 93 water treatment facilities, and 69 electrical facilities;
• 96 percent of Iraqi children under the age of 5 had received polio vaccinations; and
• the Baghdad Stock Exchange had been open for nearly a year.
  http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=33
  
  In August of 2005 alone, more than 30,000 new business registrations were processed in Iraq; this figure does not include the additional start-up ventures that failed to comply with registration rules.
  
  In September 2005, Iraq's oil revenues were higher than they had ever been in the nation's history. That same month, more than 3.5 million Iraqis were active subscribers to cell-phone services; by contrast, cell-phone service had not existed under Saddam Hussein's Baath regime, which made the mere possession of satellite telephones a capital offense.
  
  Ordinary Iraqis were financially better off in November 2005 than they had been at any time in the previous two decades. According to estimates by the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund, Iraq's per capita income had doubled since 2003. Moreover, the nation's per capita gross domestic product was almost twice that of Yemen and was nearly equal to that of Egypt and Syria.
  
  As 2005 drew to a close, a multitude of reconstruction projects -- monitored by the Iraqi Contracting Office -- were underway thoughout Iraq: schools, electrical plants, family health centers, roads, sewer treatment facilities, water lines, and agricultural revitalization efforts. In many cases, Iraqis themselves were the ones doing this work. As blogger Bill Crawford put it, “Not since the Marshall Plan rebuilt Europe has the world seen an effort as massive as the one now underway in Iraq.”
  
  Meanwhile, the Iraqi people at large were optimistic about their country's future. A poll conducted by the Center for International Private Enterprise showed that 77 percent of Iraq’s business owners believed that the national economy would expand over the next 24 months; 69 percent had positive expectations for the future of Iraq’s economy generally.
  
  By December of 2005:
  
  
  • 170 independent newspapers were being published across Iraq;
  • 80 independent television stations were broadcasting on a regular basis;
  • there were 168,000 Internet subscribers nationwide -- as compared to just 4,000 before the war;
  • 8.7 million Iraqi children were enrolled in primary school;
  • on average, one new hospital was under construction every six months in Iraq;
  • the death rate in Iraq was half of what it had been under Saddam.
  
  Also in December 2005, a major poll of Iraqis was conducted jointly by ABC News, Time magazine, the BBC, the Japanese television network NHK, and the German magazine Der Spiegel. The pollsters began their survey by asking, “Overall, how would you say things are going in your life these days — very good, quite good, quite bad or very bad?” Fully 71 percent of the respondents said "very good" or "quite good" — up from 55 percent in a poll taken in June 2004. By contrast, 29 percent said their lives were "quite bad" or "very bad" — down from 45 percent in 2004. Other results included the following:
  
  
  • 61 percent reported that the security situation where they lived was "very good" or "quite good";
  • 66 percent rated their protection from crime as "very good" or "quite good";
  • 74 percent said local schools were "very good" or "quite good";
  • 70 percent said their family’s economic situation was "very good" or "quite good"; and
  • the average monthly income of the respondents was $263 -- a 63 percent increase from the $164 figure of 2004.
  Or, how about this source?
  
  IRAQ BY THE NUMBERS
  Courtesy, MonicaCrowley.com
  December 2, 2005
  >> Since May 2003, unemployment in Iraq has fallen by nearly 50%
  >> 170 independent newspapers are now open across Iraq.
  >> 80 independent television stations are broadcasting in Iraq.
  >> Iraq has 168,000 Internet subscribers-- there were just 4,000 before the war.
  >> 27,000 new businesses have opened in Iraq.
  >> Over 3,000 schools have been rehabilitated and reopened.
  >> 8.7 million Iraqi children are enrolled in primary school.
  >> 5 million Iraqi children between the ages of 6 and 12 have received vaccinations.
  >> There is an average of one new hospital under construction every six months in Iraq.
  >> The death rate in Iraq is half of what it was under Saddam, and is among the lowest in the middle east.
  >> 76 water treatment projects have now been completed.
  >> 33 fire stations have now been built.
  >> In July of this year, Iraqi oil production hit the highest level in Iraqi history.
  >> A poll this year found that 80% of Iraqis believe their lives will be better one year from now.
  >> Voter turn out was over 60% for October's vote on the Iraqi constitution.
  >> The Iraqi economy is expected to grow 17% next year.
  >> Iraqi per capita income has doubled since 2003-- it is now 30% higher than it was before the war.
  >> Inflation in Iraq is one quarter of what it was before the war.
  
  See? This is what happens when you're too lazy to do your own research .... you get schooled. Then, if you're going to try to launch a counter-argument, you won't look so silly.
  

 

[Spare_change]

Yeah ... what about it?

Connect the dots, Gomer:

Pretty, isn't it?

Guess we should have let American troops go in and fix it, huh? You can't use data like this to try to demean the results of American assistance, particularly when we weren't allowed to assist.

Remember the infamous Red Line.

Slam dunk.

 

[Spare_change]

Yeah, but as long as Obammy doesn't waterboard them, it's all good...

Too late?

Am I supposed to pretend abhorrence?

 

[georgephillip]

China Fraud Accusations Wesley Clark s Ex-Firm Faces Questions - ABC News Wesley Clark?

hen the failing foreign policy reaches the breaking point and the fight moves to the states, imo the liberals will change their tunes

Why would you think current events in the Middle East represent a failure of US foreign policy?
"In Clark's book, Winning Modern Wars, published in 2003, he describes his conversation with a military officer in the Pentagon shortly after 9/11 regarding a plan to attack seven Middle Eastern countries in five years: 'As I went back through the Pentagon in November 2001, one of the senior military staff officers had time for a chat.

"'Yes, we were still on track for going against Iraq, he said. But there was more. This was being discussed as part of a five-year campaign plan, he said, and there were a total of seven countries, beginning with Iraq, then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and finishing off Iran." [1
Wesley Clark - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

What's your point?
Clark's 2003 revelation has nothing to do with any recent missteps in China.

 

[georgephillip]

Guess we should have let American troops go in and fix it, huh?

The way they fixed Iraq?

 

[georgephillip]

Remember the infamous Red Line.

I remember the Red Line Agreement.
"The 1928 Group Agreement (better known as the 'Red Line' Agreement) was a deal struck between several American, British, and French oil companies concerning the oil resources within territories that formerly comprised the Ottoman Empire within the Middle East.

"The origins of the Red Line Agreement can be traced back to the initial formation of the Turkish Petroleum Company (TPC) in 1912.
Can you connect those dots?
The 1928 Red Line Agreement - 1921 1936 - Milestones - Office of the Historian

 

[Spare_change]

Guess we should have let American troops go in and fix it, huh?

The way they fixed Iraq?

As a matter of fact .... course, we won't have Obama to fuck it all up, so everything should be okay.

 

[Spare_change]

Remember the infamous Red Line.

I remember the Red Line Agreement.
"The 1928 Group Agreement (better known as the 'Red Line' Agreement) was a deal struck between several American, British, and French oil companies concerning the oil resources within territories that formerly comprised the Ottoman Empire within the Middle East.

"The origins of the Red Line Agreement can be traced back to the initial formation of the Turkish Petroleum Company (TPC) in 1912.
Can you connect those dots?
The 1928 Red Line Agreement - 1921 1936 - Milestones - Office of the Historian

You're going to draw some kind of imaginary line between this red line, and Obama's greatest foreign affairs folly - the Red Line he drew? Obama 8217 s Blurry Red Line

Next, you're going to tell me he's a historical genius, and he knew that when he called it a red line. This, from the guy who visited 57 states?

Now, you're just making stuff up to try to deflect from the exposure of your ignorance .... man up and admit it.

 

[georgephillip]

As a matter of fact .... course, we won't have Obama to fuck it all up, so everything should be okay.

You're a real hoot, Gomer.
"The Iraqi city of Fallujah continues to suffer the ghastly consequences of a US military onslaught in late 2004.

"According to the authors of a new study, 'Cancer, Infant Mortality and Birth Sex-Ratio in Fallujah, Iraq 2005–2009,' the people of Fallujah are experiencing higher rates of cancer, leukemia, infant mortality, and sexual mutations than those recorded among survivors in Hiroshima and Nagasaki in the years after those Japanese cities were incinerated by US atomic bomb strikes in 1945."
Maybe you should fix your hometown like you did Flaujah

Cancer rate in Fallujah worse than Hiroshima - World Socialist Web Site

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

time to get the hell out of the mid east and leave those people to their own design.

Yeah!!! Fuck 'em! Let 'em all die!!

Kill all those women!

Butcher all those kids!!

But, at least, your hands will be clean, right?

It's a utopian pipedream to think that the U.S. can go in and make things better. All that happens is the U.S. makes more enemies than they kill and destabilizes the region making it worse for the people they were allegedly trying to help. All the while conveniently making a certain group of people obscenely rich off the taxpayers and guaranteeing the war hawks in office big donations come election time.

 

[Spare_change]

As a matter of fact .... course, we won't have Obama to fuck it all up, so everything should be okay.

You're a real hoot, Gomer.
"The Iraqi city of Fallujah continues to suffer the ghastly consequences of a US military onslaught in late 2004.

"According to the authors of a new study, 'Cancer, Infant Mortality and Birth Sex-Ratio in Fallujah, Iraq 2005–2009,' the people of Fallujah are experiencing higher rates of cancer, leukemia, infant mortality, and sexual mutations than those recorded among survivors in Hiroshima and Nagasaki in the years after those Japanese cities were incinerated by US atomic bomb strikes in 1945."
Maybe you should fix your hometown like you did Flaujah

Cancer rate in Fallujah worse than Hiroshima - World Socialist Web Site

LOL --- you take the World Socialist Web Site as a viable, honest resource???? Show me the numbers from a REAL source ... convenient, too, that the website is a socialist propaganda site short on truth and long on lies.

Maybe you should try reading the truth, for a change ... instead, of trolling for things that supposedly support your anti-American agenda.