US EXPELS 35 Russian diplomats, closes two compounds.

[jc456]

Benefit of the doubt since I parsed out the pictures to compact the message and remove unintelligible coding stuff ya'll likely wouldn't understand.

Though the long answer is that the author of the article doesn't, which is why they said that in the article had you read it... That said, who made the malware code is mildly irrelevant because it's so widely distributed globally - even if you want to argue that Russian's wrote the code that does not connect the dots to any evidence that the two specific agents who used it being "Russian government"

Why would Russia write Ukraine malware? Wouldn't that be Ukrainians?

 

[EverCurious]

I would agree, but there's no proof that it's written by Ukraine really, all we have is the tag line claiming it was Ukraine.

Either way, there's only one way to tie the use of such a widely distributed malware to Russia - and that involves having stolen documents from the RIS.

 

[jc456]

I would agree, but there's no proof that it's written by Ukraine really, all we have is the tag line claiming it was Ukraine.

Either way, there's only one way to tie the use of such a widely distributed malware to Russia - and that involves having stolen documents from the RIS.

But again, our government is trying to mislead the populace. No way can this benefit the DNC!

 

[Constructive Anarchy]

Yes they have, it's what we do.

(For the sake of honesty I'd like to say that I added the following to the original post after your reply:

For clarification, the attacks discussed here are just the ones on WordPress no one else (aka DNC, energy, Pentagon) however the findings about /who/ is making the attacks is relevant when it comes to narrowing down specific perpetrators and/or their country of origin.)

Again, what attack? You mean revealing embarrassing e-mails. I can hardly wait to see some kind of evidence.

 

[EverCurious]

To clarify my above statement further. I would not be at all surprised if there were other websites one could download this particular malware from, and those websites may be in other countries. I can stick a French flag on a website just as easily as I stick a Ukrainian one on there, it's just an image and a few words.

And yes, that is my point, and has been my point all along, the 'proof' given by our government is pretty much bullshit.

 

[Constructive Anarchy]

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I'm still not seeing the problem here. Information like that could have been acquired from many sources. I wonder how hard it is to hack an unprotected private server? You know, like the one Hilary Clinton had. Or even more likely it came directly from an inside source. Could it be more obvious that some kind of internal power struggle is going on?

Clinton's server was protected, but hacked. No. I think i'll listen to the intelligence agencies take on what happened. They seem more reliable than your average message board poster.

Wrong again. Clinton's unauthorized private server was completely unprotected for three months. And I'd still like to see the evidence that the Russians did anything.

 

[ColonelAngus]

Authentic DNC emails were released. Anything that occurred as a consequence is the fault of the corrupt DNC.

If the DNC was not corrupt, the emails would not have mattered.

$1.2 billion and the entire media...even CNN colluding with the DNC...and Hillary lost.

 

[eddiew37]

Not necessarily. For one thing - this has been going on for a while with no serious repercussions to Russia and giving our intelligence people time to gather evidence. Spies get caught, even under the most careful regimes. Why would Russia be any different?

Point is --- that kind of intel doesn't generally get released to the public if it can be TRACED back to specific operatives or agents. Especially if they were sloppy enough to leave evidence of their methods. The whole point of gathering it is to hold it secret and use it as leverage in "negotiations". You could burn entire groups that collect that stuff by exposing it without cleaning up.

Looks to me like someone Internally burned the Kremlin. The way that Snowden did here in the US.

And it's not just one affair. You have Hillary's stupid ass home brewed system which I'm SURE was browsed by 4 or 6 foreign nations. Then you have the DNC hacks which were interesting but not even close to fatal for Clinton personally. And Finally, you have the idiot Podesta running an entire campaign out of Gmail account on his commercial phone. Those are all different stories. And the DNC and media are just balling them up into one big "Russia did it" excuse...

See I don't think so, and the reason is - there appears to be a long history of hacking attempts from Russia on us and other western governments aimed at election processes. Releasing it can influence things as much as holding it, especially through a proxy like Wikileaks.

We've been spying on Russian politicos for 35 years or more. This is from a book, not my "personal" experience, but in the 1980s we could tell you exactly how much Vodka the Kremlin was ordering and what brands. So if they were interested in where Podesta got his pizza from --- you shouldn't be surprised.

NONE of that info ever makes it to public domain unless someone gets blackmailed with it in exchange for negotiating concessions. That's what is "not right" about this "blame it on the Russians" deal..

You don't want the other guessing how they know what they know. Was it satellite interception, an antenna on an embassy, an asset working on the ground, a group for hire in Romania??? You don't want to widely EXPOSE those methods. Because they can be neutralized. And people could get killed.

I disagree. Russia was using Wikileaks to cover it's track. There is substantial agreement among diverse authorities that Russia was behind the hacking. There is zero evidence that it was the DNC insider. There is nothing substantial in the hacked emails - nothing outright illegal. What's there is stuff that can be implied, misconstrued or is embarressing. It's not "blackmail worthy" but it can - when released at strategic intervals - cause havoc.

WHICH hacking were they behind? The DNC hack was a simple spearfishing attack. ANYONE could have done it. Getting a Gmail account from a phone is a little trickier, but there were reports that Podesta had LOST a phone.

The assumption seems to be that ONLY the Russians were in those 3 separate attacks. But I assure you, there were other breaches on those stupid systems. There were just too tempting as targets.

In classified session, with the DNC and RNC, the FBI probably told them HOW MANY hacking attempts or successes had been made. It's not likely at all that ONLY the Russians were into those systems. And the only one of the 3 that had "the good stuff" on Clinton was Podesta's phone. And maybe the other "not publicly released" classified info that came from Clintons' "security workaround" server. But her lawyers and contractors damaged the evidence so badly on that one, that no can assess how many unauthorized leaks there were on that system.

Media and govt are wrapping all of these together in attempt to confuse folks.. The problem was -- DNC and Clinton and Podesta did not LISTEN to security advice. There's your fundamental issue..

Perhaps flacal you missed your calling ?? Maybe you should be working for one of the 17 agencies that blamed Russia Or maybe even working with Trump who say's """"never mind I'll check the info next week I'm busy having a drink with my mentor Don King"""""""?

 

[Constructive Anarchy]

Authentic DNC emails were released. Anything that occurred as a consequence is the fault of the corrupt DNC.

If the DNC was not corrupt, the emails would not have mattered.

$1.2 billion and the entire media...even CNN colluding with the DNC...and Hillary lost.

If Hilary had won we never would have heard anything about the Russians doing anything.

 

[jc456]

Actually I do and so half of Americans that voted believed that Putin hacked into our system in order to help Trump win. During campaign Trump invited the Russians to hack into DNC and continue admiring Putin. If you don't believe that...... Then you are insulting your own intelligence.

Hah, you're an idiot. Like half of Americans that think like you. Trump made a joke regarding Hillary's missing 33,000 emails saying if they had them. For you to not know or understand means you are hopelessly deranged and stupid. You really should not be voting.

Plus you can't understand the real problem for you is the emails showed how corrupt the Dems are. Russians or no Russians. Sucks to be you.

The disingenuous outrage over "Trump soliciting Russia to hack Hillary emails" is fucking retarded and part of the reason Trump won.

Many Americans are no longer listening to the lying snowflakes.

This election was a VERY FIRM "fuck off" to snowflakes.

It's possible to disagree with Obama on policy without being "RACIST". Snowflakes leveraged their racist bullshit into political hay, and many people had enough of that stupid shit.

I would classify it as more of a flaccid "fuck off"...given the popular vote and all.

(cue cries about illegal immigrant voting)

Is that different from whining about the electoral outcome?

 

[Constructive Anarchy]

Point is --- that kind of intel doesn't generally get released to the public if it can be TRACED back to specific operatives or agents. Especially if they were sloppy enough to leave evidence of their methods. The whole point of gathering it is to hold it secret and use it as leverage in "negotiations". You could burn entire groups that collect that stuff by exposing it without cleaning up.

Looks to me like someone Internally burned the Kremlin. The way that Snowden did here in the US.

And it's not just one affair. You have Hillary's stupid ass home brewed system which I'm SURE was browsed by 4 or 6 foreign nations. Then you have the DNC hacks which were interesting but not even close to fatal for Clinton personally. And Finally, you have the idiot Podesta running an entire campaign out of Gmail account on his commercial phone. Those are all different stories. And the DNC and media are just balling them up into one big "Russia did it" excuse...

See I don't think so, and the reason is - there appears to be a long history of hacking attempts from Russia on us and other western governments aimed at election processes. Releasing it can influence things as much as holding it, especially through a proxy like Wikileaks.

We've been spying on Russian politicos for 35 years or more. This is from a book, not my "personal" experience, but in the 1980s we could tell you exactly how much Vodka the Kremlin was ordering and what brands. So if they were interested in where Podesta got his pizza from --- you shouldn't be surprised.

NONE of that info ever makes it to public domain unless someone gets blackmailed with it in exchange for negotiating concessions. That's what is "not right" about this "blame it on the Russians" deal..

You don't want the other guessing how they know what they know. Was it satellite interception, an antenna on an embassy, an asset working on the ground, a group for hire in Romania??? You don't want to widely EXPOSE those methods. Because they can be neutralized. And people could get killed.

I disagree. Russia was using Wikileaks to cover it's track. There is substantial agreement among diverse authorities that Russia was behind the hacking. There is zero evidence that it was the DNC insider. There is nothing substantial in the hacked emails - nothing outright illegal. What's there is stuff that can be implied, misconstrued or is embarressing. It's not "blackmail worthy" but it can - when released at strategic intervals - cause havoc.

WHICH hacking were they behind? The DNC hack was a simple spearfishing attack. ANYONE could have done it. Getting a Gmail account from a phone is a little trickier, but there were reports that Podesta had LOST a phone.

The assumption seems to be that ONLY the Russians were in those 3 separate attacks. But I assure you, there were other breaches on those stupid systems. There were just too tempting as targets.

In classified session, with the DNC and RNC, the FBI probably told them HOW MANY hacking attempts or successes had been made. It's not likely at all that ONLY the Russians were into those systems. And the only one of the 3 that had "the good stuff" on Clinton was Podesta's phone. And maybe the other "not publicly released" classified info that came from Clintons' "security workaround" server. But her lawyers and contractors damaged the evidence so badly on that one, that no can assess how many unauthorized leaks there were on that system.

Media and govt are wrapping all of these together in attempt to confuse folks.. The problem was -- DNC and Clinton and Podesta did not LISTEN to security advice. There's your fundamental issue..

Perhaps flacal you missed your calling ?? Maybe you should be working for one of the 17 agencies that blamed Russia Or maybe even working with Trump who say's """"never mind I'll check the info next week I'm busy having a drink with my mentor Don King"""""""?

Can anyone name seventeen intelligence agencies? I wonder if anyone actually believes that seventeen agencies investigated this?

 

[eddiew37]

Yes they have, it's what we do.

(For the sake of honesty I'd like to say that I added the following to the original post after your reply:

For clarification, the attacks discussed here are just the ones on WordPress no one else (aka DNC, energy, Pentagon) however the findings about /who/ is making the attacks is relevant when it comes to narrowing down specific perpetrators and/or their country of origin.)

Again, what attack? You mean revealing embarrassing e-mails. I can hardly wait to see some kind of evidence.

LOL You want evidence ?? What evidence did you ask for when the last repub president gwb the moron said WOMD WOMD??

 

[Constructive Anarchy]

Yes they have, it's what we do.

(For the sake of honesty I'd like to say that I added the following to the original post after your reply:

For clarification, the attacks discussed here are just the ones on WordPress no one else (aka DNC, energy, Pentagon) however the findings about /who/ is making the attacks is relevant when it comes to narrowing down specific perpetrators and/or their country of origin.)

Again, what attack? You mean revealing embarrassing e-mails. I can hardly wait to see some kind of evidence.

LOL You want evidence ?? What evidence did you ask for when the last repub president gwb the moron said WOMD WOMD??

I'm still waiting for evidence of WMDs. How about you sleepy?

 

[EverCurious]

I was against the war. I don't think the US should be dicking around in other countries at all.

Made even worse when I had to watch my fucking father cry on TV because he lost some of his men over there.

 

[eddiew37]

Actually I do and so half of Americans that voted believed that Putin hacked into our system in order to help Trump win. During campaign Trump invited the Russians to hack into DNC and continue admiring Putin. If you don't believe that...... Then you are insulting your own intelligence.

Hah, you're an idiot. Like half of Americans that think like you. Trump made a joke regarding Hillary's missing 33,000 emails saying if they had them. For you to not know or understand means you are hopelessly deranged and stupid. You really should not be voting.

Plus you can't understand the real problem for you is the emails showed how corrupt the Dems are. Russians or no Russians. Sucks to be you.

The disingenuous outrage over "Trump soliciting Russia to hack Hillary emails" is fucking retarded and part of the reason Trump won.

Many Americans are no longer listening to the lying snowflakes.

This election was a VERY FIRM "fuck off" to snowflakes.

It's possible to disagree with Obama on policy without being "RACIST". Snowflakes leveraged their racist bullshit into political hay, and many people had enough of that stupid shit.

I would classify it as more of a flaccid "fuck off"...given the popular vote and all.

(cue cries about illegal immigrant voting)

Is that different from whining about the electoral outcome?

No whining Just the fact you gave to the greatest country in the world an unintelligent tweeting moron who's afraid of press conferences

 

[eddiew37]

Authentic DNC emails were released. Anything that occurred as a consequence is the fault of the corrupt DNC.

If the DNC was not corrupt, the emails would not have mattered.

$1.2 billion and the entire media...even CNN colluding with the DNC...and Hillary lost.

If Hilary had won we never would have heard anything about the Russians doing anything.

Trump and putin are buddies Some of if not a great deal of trumps financial interests are hooked up in some way with Russia and/or its leaders Putin and Hillary were not on good terms The enemy of my enemy is my friend !!

 

[EverCurious]

Here comes the mockery. Lets take bets on how long it takes for the entire first page to be filled with "LOL"

P.A.S. 3.1.0 Malware - Bing

 

[Constructive Anarchy]

Authentic DNC emails were released. Anything that occurred as a consequence is the fault of the corrupt DNC.

If the DNC was not corrupt, the emails would not have mattered.

$1.2 billion and the entire media...even CNN colluding with the DNC...and Hillary lost.

If Hilary had won we never would have heard anything about the Russians doing anything.

Trump and putin are buddies Some of if not a great deal of trumps financial interests are hooked up in some way with Russia and/or its leaders Putin and Hillary were not on good terms The enemy of my enemy is my friend !!

We've seen this coming for a while.

 

[EverCurious]

Better get your votes in quick folks are waking up!

 

[dannyboys]

Point is --- that kind of intel doesn't generally get released to the public if it can be TRACED back to specific operatives or agents. Especially if they were sloppy enough to leave evidence of their methods. The whole point of gathering it is to hold it secret and use it as leverage in "negotiations". You could burn entire groups that collect that stuff by exposing it without cleaning up.

Looks to me like someone Internally burned the Kremlin. The way that Snowden did here in the US.

And it's not just one affair. You have Hillary's stupid ass home brewed system which I'm SURE was browsed by 4 or 6 foreign nations. Then you have the DNC hacks which were interesting but not even close to fatal for Clinton personally. And Finally, you have the idiot Podesta running an entire campaign out of Gmail account on his commercial phone. Those are all different stories. And the DNC and media are just balling them up into one big "Russia did it" excuse...

See I don't think so, and the reason is - there appears to be a long history of hacking attempts from Russia on us and other western governments aimed at election processes. Releasing it can influence things as much as holding it, especially through a proxy like Wikileaks.

We've been spying on Russian politicos for 35 years or more. This is from a book, not my "personal" experience, but in the 1980s we could tell you exactly how much Vodka the Kremlin was ordering and what brands. So if they were interested in where Podesta got his pizza from --- you shouldn't be surprised.

NONE of that info ever makes it to public domain unless someone gets blackmailed with it in exchange for negotiating concessions. That's what is "not right" about this "blame it on the Russians" deal..

You don't want the other guessing how they know what they know. Was it satellite interception, an antenna on an embassy, an asset working on the ground, a group for hire in Romania??? You don't want to widely EXPOSE those methods. Because they can be neutralized. And people could get killed.

I disagree. Russia was using Wikileaks to cover it's track. There is substantial agreement among diverse authorities that Russia was behind the hacking. There is zero evidence that it was the DNC insider. There is nothing substantial in the hacked emails - nothing outright illegal. What's there is stuff that can be implied, misconstrued or is embarressing. It's not "blackmail worthy" but it can - when released at strategic intervals - cause havoc.

WHICH hacking were they behind? The DNC hack was a simple spearfishing attack. ANYONE could have done it. Getting a Gmail account from a phone is a little trickier, but there were reports that Podesta had LOST a phone.

The assumption seems to be that ONLY the Russians were in those 3 separate attacks. But I assure you, there were other breaches on those stupid systems. There were just too tempting as targets.

In classified session, with the DNC and RNC, the FBI probably told them HOW MANY hacking attempts or successes had been made. It's not likely at all that ONLY the Russians were into those systems. And the only one of the 3 that had "the good stuff" on Clinton was Podesta's phone. And maybe the other "not publicly released" classified info that came from Clintons' "security workaround" server. But her lawyers and contractors damaged the evidence so badly on that one, that no can assess how many unauthorized leaks there were on that system.

Media and govt are wrapping all of these together in attempt to confuse folks.. The problem was -- DNC and Clinton and Podesta did not LISTEN to security advice. There's your fundamental issue..

That is A fundamental issue. Among others. I can't see all 17 intelligence agencies colluding to pinpoint Russia if they didn't have substantial evidence - they're notoriously cagy about committing to something like that. No one is saying it was ONLY Russia - but that the evidence points to Russia.

OK! all fucking ready!!!!!!
Let's ALL stipulate that 'Russia' hacked into the DNC servers and 'phised' Podesta's computer.
Fucking happy now??????
BOTTOM line is the 'man-bun' dopers the DNC hired to run the DNC computers weren't fucking smart enough to fire-wall the hacking.
What the fuck does that say about how stupefyingly incompetent the DNC is/was??????
THINK!!!!!
And you want that bunch of morons running the country?????
But that's OK. Nancy says the DEM party doesn't want to or need to 'change' and Keith Ellison will soon be running the DNC and you fucking LIB morons have lost over 1000 congressional seats since Obama was first elected, the Senate and the Congress and the Presidency!
AND IT'S ALL THE RUSSIAN'S FAULT.
I can sell you a secret video tape of Russian troops barricading the polling stations in Wisconsin if you like. Only fifty bucks........shipping and handling not included.
You REALLY ought to get your head out of Hillary's asshole pal. The next eight years is a LONG time to be tasting her shit.