US hypocrisy

[SavannahMann]

Barry and the democrats raised hell over the Fake News conspiracy Theory that Russia 'hacked the election', demonizing them for doing so - something Barry himself said happens all the time - AFTER Barry had tried to alter 4 nation's governments himself:
- Egypt, an ally: Helped oust Mubarak and replace him with the terrorist Muslim Brotherhood
- Libya: Helped Al Qaeda murder and replace Gaddafi
- Israel, an ally: Used tax dollars to try to oust Netanyahu
- Syria: Made it his foreign policy to inject himself into their civil war / government to oust their President

Great thread....America's cup of hypocrisy floweth over.

ALL US presidents are war criminals since pretty much Wilson onwards. EASILY since Roosevelt on. This is not a partisan issue.

It is not an issue at all. It's pure bullshit. You're not a partisan in the sense of being a Democrat or a Republican, you're just anti American.

Um. You should study more history.

Allied war crimes during World War II - Wikipedia

The actions taken by the "allies" during World War II were often as criminal as the actions of the Axis powers. To admit this is not saying that the world would be better off if the Axis had won. It is acknowledging the truth of our history.

Churchill called the fire bombing of Dresden a Terror Bombing. Curtis LeMay said the best thing about the Atomic Bomb was it ended the Fire Bombing of Japanese Cities. Air Marshall Harris admitted that had the Allies lost the war he would have been tried as a war criminal.

Is it unamerican to admit the truth? Or to be patriotic citizens must we spout propaganda that is demonstrably untrue? Again, these things happened. They are proven.

How does it help our nation to deny these things? We can learn from our history or we can repeat it again and again.

 

[toomuchtime_]

I will actually defend Odium in the fact that there IS American hypocrisy, as proven by the case I stated...but there are many more.

Another case in point, though much of the world can claim this one:
- Many nations always tell Israel that they should not respond to the hundreds of rocket attacks they are subjected to with violence. SERIOUSLY? You know damn well that if Mexico started lobbing hundreds of rockets into Texas it would not be a month before Mexico was the 51st STATE! If a Russian neighbor did so to Russia Putin would have no problem and would waste no time crushing the mess out of that nation.

There are many examples out there....

So does pointing it out make you 'Un-American'...or is it how / the motivation behind how you do it make that the case?

This is not an example of American hypocrisy. The Obama administration was arguably unAmerican in its policies toward Israel.

 

[TheDude]

Count your blessing the hypocrite who no longer uses these weapons is the USA as opposed any other world power.

 

[Preacher]

Barry and the democrats raised hell over the Fake News conspiracy Theory that Russia 'hacked the election', demonizing them for doing so - something Barry himself said happens all the time - AFTER Barry had tried to alter 4 nation's governments himself:
- Egypt, an ally: Helped oust Mubarak and replace him with the terrorist Muslim Brotherhood
- Libya: Helped Al Qaeda murder and replace Gaddafi
- Israel, an ally: Used tax dollars to try to oust Netanyahu
- Syria: Made it his foreign policy to inject himself into their civil war / government to oust their President

Great thread....America's cup of hypocrisy floweth over.

ALL US presidents are war criminals since pretty much Wilson onwards. EASILY since Roosevelt on. This is not a partisan issue.

It is not an issue at all. It's pure bullshit. You're not a partisan in the sense of being a Democrat or a Republican, you're just anti American.

Anti American GOVERNMENT yes. Plus being an "american" means nothing....ANYONE can be an American. Not everyone can be a White Man or a Southerner.

No, you are anti American. The America you claim to support doesn't exist and in post after post you demonstrate you hate the America that does exist. Your first post consisted entirely of anti American propaganda and with the exception of the bombing of Japan and the use of agent orange, none of it would have been mentioned by anyone who was not an anti American. Your consistent support of countries like Iran, Russia and even Assad's Syria against the US makes it abundantly clear that you are profoundly anti American.

The AMERICA that exists only EXISTS because the US GOVERNMENT....simple as that cupcake. I am anti AMERICAN GOVERNMENT. Deal with it.

 

[Preacher]

ALL US presidents are war criminals since pretty much Wilson onwards. EASILY since Roosevelt on. This is not a partisan issue.

It is not an issue at all. It's pure bullshit. You're not a partisan in the sense of being a Democrat or a Republican, you're just anti American.

Anti American GOVERNMENT yes. Plus being an "american" means nothing....ANYONE can be an American. Not everyone can be a White Man or a Southerner.

Were you anti American GOVERNMENT from 2009 till 2017? Just wondering?

Then as well as 2000-2008 and 1992-1999 all the way back until I was born...hell I even despise what I have read about governments BEFORE I was born.

Clearly anti American.

Clearly don't give a shit.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Barry and the democrats raised hell over the Fake News conspiracy Theory that Russia 'hacked the election', demonizing them for doing so - something Barry himself said happens all the time - AFTER Barry had tried to alter 4 nation's governments himself:
- Egypt, an ally: Helped oust Mubarak and replace him with the terrorist Muslim Brotherhood
- Libya: Helped Al Qaeda murder and replace Gaddafi
- Israel, an ally: Used tax dollars to try to oust Netanyahu
- Syria: Made it his foreign policy to inject himself into their civil war / government to oust their President

Great thread....America's cup of hypocrisy floweth over.

ALL US presidents are war criminals since pretty much Wilson onwards. EASILY since Roosevelt on. This is not a partisan issue.

It is not an issue at all. It's pure bullshit. You're not a partisan in the sense of being a Democrat or a Republican, you're just anti American.

Um. You should study more history.

Allied war crimes during World War II - Wikipedia

The actions taken by the "allies" during World War II were often as criminal as the actions of the Axis powers. To admit this is not saying that the world would be better off if the Axis had won. It is acknowledging the truth of our history.

Churchill called the fire bombing of Dresden a Terror Bombing. Curtis LeMay said the best thing about the Atomic Bomb was it ended the Fire Bombing of Japanese Cities. Air Marshall Harris admitted that had the Allies lost the war he would have been tried as a war criminal.

Is it unamerican to admit the truth? Or to be patriotic citizens must we spout propaganda that is demonstrably untrue? Again, these things happened. They are proven.

How does it help our nation to deny these things? We can learn from our history or we can repeat it again and again.

The allies did some terrible things during WWII, and if we had lost the war, our leaders would have been tried as war criminals, but you are mistaken to think what we did was anywhere near as horrible as what the Axis did. Furthermore, the criticisms of the US in WWII has been exaggerated by Cold War propaganda and is deeply tainted by racism.

For example, everyone knows about the fire bombing of Dresden and nearly everyone condemns it, but the fire bombing of Tokyo killed more people than the two atom bombs combined, yet one rarely hears it mentioned. Do America's critics think white German lives are more important than yellow Japanese lives?

In any case, it is bizarre to say actions committed by America three generations ago in any way makes us hypocrites for condemning the gas attacks in Syria today.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Barry and the democrats raised hell over the Fake News conspiracy Theory that Russia 'hacked the election', demonizing them for doing so - something Barry himself said happens all the time - AFTER Barry had tried to alter 4 nation's governments himself:
- Egypt, an ally: Helped oust Mubarak and replace him with the terrorist Muslim Brotherhood
- Libya: Helped Al Qaeda murder and replace Gaddafi
- Israel, an ally: Used tax dollars to try to oust Netanyahu
- Syria: Made it his foreign policy to inject himself into their civil war / government to oust their President

Great thread....America's cup of hypocrisy floweth over.

ALL US presidents are war criminals since pretty much Wilson onwards. EASILY since Roosevelt on. This is not a partisan issue.

It is not an issue at all. It's pure bullshit. You're not a partisan in the sense of being a Democrat or a Republican, you're just anti American.

Anti American GOVERNMENT yes. Plus being an "american" means nothing....ANYONE can be an American. Not everyone can be a White Man or a Southerner.

No, you are anti American. The America you claim to support doesn't exist and in post after post you demonstrate you hate the America that does exist. Your first post consisted entirely of anti American propaganda and with the exception of the bombing of Japan and the use of agent orange, none of it would have been mentioned by anyone who was not an anti American. Your consistent support of countries like Iran, Russia and even Assad's Syria against the US makes it abundantly clear that you are profoundly anti American.

The AMERICA that exists only EXISTS because the US GOVERNMENT....simple as that cupcake. I am anti AMERICAN GOVERNMENT. Deal with it.[/QUOTE
There is no need to deal with it. You are clearly just a crank and a crackpot.

 

[SavannahMann]

Barry and the democrats raised hell over the Fake News conspiracy Theory that Russia 'hacked the election', demonizing them for doing so - something Barry himself said happens all the time - AFTER Barry had tried to alter 4 nation's governments himself:
- Egypt, an ally: Helped oust Mubarak and replace him with the terrorist Muslim Brotherhood
- Libya: Helped Al Qaeda murder and replace Gaddafi
- Israel, an ally: Used tax dollars to try to oust Netanyahu
- Syria: Made it his foreign policy to inject himself into their civil war / government to oust their President

Great thread....America's cup of hypocrisy floweth over.

ALL US presidents are war criminals since pretty much Wilson onwards. EASILY since Roosevelt on. This is not a partisan issue.

It is not an issue at all. It's pure bullshit. You're not a partisan in the sense of being a Democrat or a Republican, you're just anti American.

Um. You should study more history.

Allied war crimes during World War II - Wikipedia

The actions taken by the "allies" during World War II were often as criminal as the actions of the Axis powers. To admit this is not saying that the world would be better off if the Axis had won. It is acknowledging the truth of our history.

Churchill called the fire bombing of Dresden a Terror Bombing. Curtis LeMay said the best thing about the Atomic Bomb was it ended the Fire Bombing of Japanese Cities. Air Marshall Harris admitted that had the Allies lost the war he would have been tried as a war criminal.

Is it unamerican to admit the truth? Or to be patriotic citizens must we spout propaganda that is demonstrably untrue? Again, these things happened. They are proven.

How does it help our nation to deny these things? We can learn from our history or we can repeat it again and again.

The allies did some terrible things during WWII, and if we had lost the war, our leaders would have been tried as war criminals, but you are mistaken to think what we did was anywhere near as horrible as what the Axis did. Furthermore, the criticisms of the US in WWII has been exaggerated by Cold War propaganda and is deeply tainted by racism.

For example, everyone knows about the fire bombing of Dresden and nearly everyone condemns it, but the fire bombing of Tokyo killed more people than the two atom bombs combined, yet one rarely hears it mentioned. Do America's critics think white German lives are more important than yellow Japanese lives?

In any case, it is bizarre to say actions committed by America three generations ago in any way makes us hypocrites for condemning the gas attacks in Syria today.

So it was too long ago. I see. In Korea there was a Massacre of civilians by US troops. Ah probably too long ago too. In Vietnam troops had locals walk ahead of them through minefields. They firebombed villages, and tortured people. Probably too long ago too.

Extraordinary Rendition or kidnapping went on through Reagan and on through today. The UN considers it a Crime against Humanity. The EU fined Poland for participating in the black site prison program.

We may call it enhanced interrogation but the UN calls it Torture. The funny thing is we run to the UN for legal cover when we want to bomb or invade but ignore and denounce the UN when they are critical of our actions. I'd say that qualifies as hypocritical.

We aren't the guys in the White Hats. We like to believe we are. But we aren't. I'm not saying that the other guys are angels and we would be better off if they won. I am saying that we aren't angels either.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Barry and the democrats raised hell over the Fake News conspiracy Theory that Russia 'hacked the election', demonizing them for doing so - something Barry himself said happens all the time - AFTER Barry had tried to alter 4 nation's governments himself:
- Egypt, an ally: Helped oust Mubarak and replace him with the terrorist Muslim Brotherhood
- Libya: Helped Al Qaeda murder and replace Gaddafi
- Israel, an ally: Used tax dollars to try to oust Netanyahu
- Syria: Made it his foreign policy to inject himself into their civil war / government to oust their President

Great thread....America's cup of hypocrisy floweth over.

ALL US presidents are war criminals since pretty much Wilson onwards. EASILY since Roosevelt on. This is not a partisan issue.

It is not an issue at all. It's pure bullshit. You're not a partisan in the sense of being a Democrat or a Republican, you're just anti American.

Um. You should study more history.

Allied war crimes during World War II - Wikipedia

The actions taken by the "allies" during World War II were often as criminal as the actions of the Axis powers. To admit this is not saying that the world would be better off if the Axis had won. It is acknowledging the truth of our history.

Churchill called the fire bombing of Dresden a Terror Bombing. Curtis LeMay said the best thing about the Atomic Bomb was it ended the Fire Bombing of Japanese Cities. Air Marshall Harris admitted that had the Allies lost the war he would have been tried as a war criminal.

Is it unamerican to admit the truth? Or to be patriotic citizens must we spout propaganda that is demonstrably untrue? Again, these things happened. They are proven.

How does it help our nation to deny these things? We can learn from our history or we can repeat it again and again.

The allies did some terrible things during WWII, and if we had lost the war, our leaders would have been tried as war criminals, but you are mistaken to think what we did was anywhere near as horrible as what the Axis did. Furthermore, the criticisms of the US in WWII has been exaggerated by Cold War propaganda and is deeply tainted by racism.

For example, everyone knows about the fire bombing of Dresden and nearly everyone condemns it, but the fire bombing of Tokyo killed more people than the two atom bombs combined, yet one rarely hears it mentioned. Do America's critics think white German lives are more important than yellow Japanese lives?

In any case, it is bizarre to say actions committed by America three generations ago in any way makes us hypocrites for condemning the gas attacks in Syria today.

So it was too long ago. I see. In Korea there was a Massacre of civilians by US troops. Ah probably too long ago too. In Vietnam troops had locals walk ahead of them through minefields. They firebombed villages, and tortured people. Probably too long ago too.

Extraordinary Rendition or kidnapping went on through Reagan and on through today. The UN considers it a Crime against Humanity. The EU fined Poland for participating in the black site prison program.

We may call it enhanced interrogation but the UN calls it Torture. The funny thing is we run to the UN for legal cover when we want to bomb or invade but ignore and denounce the UN when they are critical of our actions. I'd say that qualifies as hypocritical.

We aren't the guys in the White Hats. We like to believe we are. But we aren't. I'm not saying that the other guys are angels and we would be better off if they won. I am saying that we aren't angels either.

Do you see your own hypocrisy? You are condemning past US actions and opposing the condemnation of current atrocities in Syria. Clearly, you are not wearing a white hat, either.

 

[SavannahMann]

ALL US presidents are war criminals since pretty much Wilson onwards. EASILY since Roosevelt on. This is not a partisan issue.

It is not an issue at all. It's pure bullshit. You're not a partisan in the sense of being a Democrat or a Republican, you're just anti American.

Um. You should study more history.

Allied war crimes during World War II - Wikipedia

The actions taken by the "allies" during World War II were often as criminal as the actions of the Axis powers. To admit this is not saying that the world would be better off if the Axis had won. It is acknowledging the truth of our history.

Churchill called the fire bombing of Dresden a Terror Bombing. Curtis LeMay said the best thing about the Atomic Bomb was it ended the Fire Bombing of Japanese Cities. Air Marshall Harris admitted that had the Allies lost the war he would have been tried as a war criminal.

Is it unamerican to admit the truth? Or to be patriotic citizens must we spout propaganda that is demonstrably untrue? Again, these things happened. They are proven.

How does it help our nation to deny these things? We can learn from our history or we can repeat it again and again.

The allies did some terrible things during WWII, and if we had lost the war, our leaders would have been tried as war criminals, but you are mistaken to think what we did was anywhere near as horrible as what the Axis did. Furthermore, the criticisms of the US in WWII has been exaggerated by Cold War propaganda and is deeply tainted by racism.

For example, everyone knows about the fire bombing of Dresden and nearly everyone condemns it, but the fire bombing of Tokyo killed more people than the two atom bombs combined, yet one rarely hears it mentioned. Do America's critics think white German lives are more important than yellow Japanese lives?

In any case, it is bizarre to say actions committed by America three generations ago in any way makes us hypocrites for condemning the gas attacks in Syria today.

So it was too long ago. I see. In Korea there was a Massacre of civilians by US troops. Ah probably too long ago too. In Vietnam troops had locals walk ahead of them through minefields. They firebombed villages, and tortured people. Probably too long ago too.

Extraordinary Rendition or kidnapping went on through Reagan and on through today. The UN considers it a Crime against Humanity. The EU fined Poland for participating in the black site prison program.

We may call it enhanced interrogation but the UN calls it Torture. The funny thing is we run to the UN for legal cover when we want to bomb or invade but ignore and denounce the UN when they are critical of our actions. I'd say that qualifies as hypocritical.

We aren't the guys in the White Hats. We like to believe we are. But we aren't. I'm not saying that the other guys are angels and we would be better off if they won. I am saying that we aren't angels either.

Do you see your own hypocrisy? You are condemning past US actions and opposing the condemnation of current atrocities in Syria. Clearly, you are not wearing a white hat, either.

Using the claim of crime against humanity is hypocritical. If that is our standard we should be bombing Langley Virginia to punish the CIA. But it sounds good on the news right?

The Syrian Civil war started with our help and would have ended years ago if we stop supporting the terrorists. That is the truth.

We armed the rebels. We then armed anyone who was against Assad. The reason is we want the Russians out of the Mediterranean Sea. Their only Naval base is in Syria.

Hillary and Obama thought this would be clever and the population would rise up and throw Assad out. They were wrong. Want to see Civillians stop suffering? Stop supporting the terrorists. Assad and the Russians will have it cleaned up in a year.

Assad is a bad guy. But he is no worse and probably more stable than any of the groups opposing him. Either way we have a hostile regime. Only if Assad remain so we have any hope of any moderating influence.

I don't have any delusions of the good guys winning. Libya should have demonstrated this without any doubt. Civil war, slave trading, nothing good has come from removing Quadaffi. But we came, we saw, and he died. Yay team. So there is even more death and suffering. So what? A bad guy is gone and even worse guys are in charge.

I voted for Trump. Part of the reason was Hillary's involvement in starting the Syrian Misadventure.

 

[bendog]

Barry and the democrats raised hell over the Fake News conspiracy Theory that Russia 'hacked the election', demonizing them for doing so - something Barry himself said happens all the time - AFTER Barry had tried to alter 4 nation's governments himself:
- Egypt, an ally: Helped oust Mubarak and replace him with the terrorist Muslim Brotherhood
- Libya: Helped Al Qaeda murder and replace Gaddafi
- Israel, an ally: Used tax dollars to try to oust Netanyahu
- Syria: Made it his foreign policy to inject himself into their civil war / government to oust their President

Great thread....America's cup of hypocrisy floweth over.

ALL US presidents are war criminals since pretty much Wilson onwards. EASILY since Roosevelt on. This is not a partisan issue.

It is not an issue at all. It's pure bullshit. You're not a partisan in the sense of being a Democrat or a Republican, you're just anti American.

Truman shouldn't have dropped those bombs. Human casualties can't trump his "war crime."Nearly 500,000 Purple Heart medals (awarded for combat casualties) were manufactured in anticipation of the casualties resulting from the invasion of Japan; the number exceeded that of all American military casualties of the 65 years following the end of World War II, including the Korean and Vietnam Wars. In 2003, there were still 120,000 of these Purple Heart medals in stock.[101] There were so many left that combat units in Iraq and Afghanistan were able to keep Purple Hearts on hand for immediate award to soldiers wounded in the field.[101]
Operation Downfall - Wikipedia

 

[bendog]

It is not an issue at all. It's pure bullshit. You're not a partisan in the sense of being a Democrat or a Republican, you're just anti American.

Um. You should study more history.

Allied war crimes during World War II - Wikipedia

The actions taken by the "allies" during World War II were often as criminal as the actions of the Axis powers. To admit this is not saying that the world would be better off if the Axis had won. It is acknowledging the truth of our history.

Churchill called the fire bombing of Dresden a Terror Bombing. Curtis LeMay said the best thing about the Atomic Bomb was it ended the Fire Bombing of Japanese Cities. Air Marshall Harris admitted that had the Allies lost the war he would have been tried as a war criminal.

Is it unamerican to admit the truth? Or to be patriotic citizens must we spout propaganda that is demonstrably untrue? Again, these things happened. They are proven.

How does it help our nation to deny these things? We can learn from our history or we can repeat it again and again.

The allies did some terrible things during WWII, and if we had lost the war, our leaders would have been tried as war criminals, but you are mistaken to think what we did was anywhere near as horrible as what the Axis did. Furthermore, the criticisms of the US in WWII has been exaggerated by Cold War propaganda and is deeply tainted by racism.

For example, everyone knows about the fire bombing of Dresden and nearly everyone condemns it, but the fire bombing of Tokyo killed more people than the two atom bombs combined, yet one rarely hears it mentioned. Do America's critics think white German lives are more important than yellow Japanese lives?

In any case, it is bizarre to say actions committed by America three generations ago in any way makes us hypocrites for condemning the gas attacks in Syria today.

So it was too long ago. I see. In Korea there was a Massacre of civilians by US troops. Ah probably too long ago too. In Vietnam troops had locals walk ahead of them through minefields. They firebombed villages, and tortured people. Probably too long ago too.

Extraordinary Rendition or kidnapping went on through Reagan and on through today. The UN considers it a Crime against Humanity. The EU fined Poland for participating in the black site prison program.

We may call it enhanced interrogation but the UN calls it Torture. The funny thing is we run to the UN for legal cover when we want to bomb or invade but ignore and denounce the UN when they are critical of our actions. I'd say that qualifies as hypocritical.

We aren't the guys in the White Hats. We like to believe we are. But we aren't. I'm not saying that the other guys are angels and we would be better off if they won. I am saying that we aren't angels either.

Do you see your own hypocrisy? You are condemning past US actions and opposing the condemnation of current atrocities in Syria. Clearly, you are not wearing a white hat, either.

Using the claim of crime against humanity is hypocritical. If that is our standard we should be bombing Langley Virginia to punish the CIA. But it sounds good on the news right?

The Syrian Civil war started with our help and would have ended years ago if we stop supporting the terrorists. That is the truth.

We armed the rebels. We then armed anyone who was against Assad. The reason is we want the Russians out of the Mediterranean Sea. Their only Naval base is in Syria.

Hillary and Obama thought this would be clever and the population would rise up and throw Assad out. They were wrong. Want to see Civillians stop suffering? Stop supporting the terrorists. Assad and the Russians will have it cleaned up in a year.

Assad is a bad guy. But he is no worse and probably more stable than any of the groups opposing him. Either way we have a hostile regime. Only if Assad remain so we have any hope of any moderating influence.

I don't have any delusions of the good guys winning. Libya should have demonstrated this without any doubt. Civil war, slave trading, nothing good has come from removing Quadaffi. But we came, we saw, and he died. Yay team. So there is even more death and suffering. So what? A bad guy is gone and even worse guys are in charge.

I voted for Trump. Part of the reason was Hillary's involvement in starting the Syrian Misadventure.

Even if all that's true, it does nothing to detract from Assad's atrocities or Putin's, or the comparisons to our actions.

 

[SavannahMann]

Um. You should study more history.

Allied war crimes during World War II - Wikipedia

The actions taken by the "allies" during World War II were often as criminal as the actions of the Axis powers. To admit this is not saying that the world would be better off if the Axis had won. It is acknowledging the truth of our history.

Churchill called the fire bombing of Dresden a Terror Bombing. Curtis LeMay said the best thing about the Atomic Bomb was it ended the Fire Bombing of Japanese Cities. Air Marshall Harris admitted that had the Allies lost the war he would have been tried as a war criminal.

Is it unamerican to admit the truth? Or to be patriotic citizens must we spout propaganda that is demonstrably untrue? Again, these things happened. They are proven.

How does it help our nation to deny these things? We can learn from our history or we can repeat it again and again.

The allies did some terrible things during WWII, and if we had lost the war, our leaders would have been tried as war criminals, but you are mistaken to think what we did was anywhere near as horrible as what the Axis did. Furthermore, the criticisms of the US in WWII has been exaggerated by Cold War propaganda and is deeply tainted by racism.

For example, everyone knows about the fire bombing of Dresden and nearly everyone condemns it, but the fire bombing of Tokyo killed more people than the two atom bombs combined, yet one rarely hears it mentioned. Do America's critics think white German lives are more important than yellow Japanese lives?

In any case, it is bizarre to say actions committed by America three generations ago in any way makes us hypocrites for condemning the gas attacks in Syria today.

So it was too long ago. I see. In Korea there was a Massacre of civilians by US troops. Ah probably too long ago too. In Vietnam troops had locals walk ahead of them through minefields. They firebombed villages, and tortured people. Probably too long ago too.

Extraordinary Rendition or kidnapping went on through Reagan and on through today. The UN considers it a Crime against Humanity. The EU fined Poland for participating in the black site prison program.

We may call it enhanced interrogation but the UN calls it Torture. The funny thing is we run to the UN for legal cover when we want to bomb or invade but ignore and denounce the UN when they are critical of our actions. I'd say that qualifies as hypocritical.

We aren't the guys in the White Hats. We like to believe we are. But we aren't. I'm not saying that the other guys are angels and we would be better off if they won. I am saying that we aren't angels either.

Do you see your own hypocrisy? You are condemning past US actions and opposing the condemnation of current atrocities in Syria. Clearly, you are not wearing a white hat, either.

Using the claim of crime against humanity is hypocritical. If that is our standard we should be bombing Langley Virginia to punish the CIA. But it sounds good on the news right?

The Syrian Civil war started with our help and would have ended years ago if we stop supporting the terrorists. That is the truth.

We armed the rebels. We then armed anyone who was against Assad. The reason is we want the Russians out of the Mediterranean Sea. Their only Naval base is in Syria.

Hillary and Obama thought this would be clever and the population would rise up and throw Assad out. They were wrong. Want to see Civillians stop suffering? Stop supporting the terrorists. Assad and the Russians will have it cleaned up in a year.

Assad is a bad guy. But he is no worse and probably more stable than any of the groups opposing him. Either way we have a hostile regime. Only if Assad remain so we have any hope of any moderating influence.

I don't have any delusions of the good guys winning. Libya should have demonstrated this without any doubt. Civil war, slave trading, nothing good has come from removing Quadaffi. But we came, we saw, and he died. Yay team. So there is even more death and suffering. So what? A bad guy is gone and even worse guys are in charge.

I voted for Trump. Part of the reason was Hillary's involvement in starting the Syrian Misadventure.

Even if all that's true, it does nothing to detract from Assad's atrocities or Putin's, or the comparisons to our actions.

OK. Let's pretend. We remove Assad. Then we have a fractured country and the next man in charge tortured and kills civilians. Do we go back and drop more humanitarian bombs? We haven't in Libya. Nor in Somalia. We go in and remove one bad guy and an even worse baddie takes over. But we are done. We did our Humanitarian part right?

That's the problem with this line of thought. If we remove Assad we are responsible for what happens next. Just as we are with Libya.

We never talk about what comes after. We just want a limited goal. Once we have our goal we declare victory and pat ourselves on the back as we cheer our awesomeness.

What comes next matters too. Patting ourselves on the back for making it worse isn't a plan.

 

[Marion Morrison]

Barry and the democrats raised hell over the Fake News conspiracy Theory that Russia 'hacked the election', demonizing them for doing so - something Barry himself said happens all the time - AFTER Barry had tried to alter 4 nation's governments himself:
- Egypt, an ally: Helped oust Mubarak and replace him with the terrorist Muslim Brotherhood
- Libya: Helped Al Qaeda murder and replace Gaddafi
- Israel, an ally: Used tax dollars to try to oust Netanyahu
- Syria: Made it his foreign policy to inject himself into their civil war / government to oust their President

Great thread....America's cup of hypocrisy floweth over.

ALL US presidents are war criminals since pretty much Wilson onwards. EASILY since Roosevelt on. This is not a partisan issue.

It is not an issue at all. It's pure bullshit. You're not a partisan in the sense of being a Democrat or a Republican, you're just anti American.

Anti American GOVERNMENT yes. Plus being an "american" means nothing....ANYONE can be an American. Not everyone can be a White Man or a Southerner.

No, you are anti American. The America you claim to support doesn't exist and in post after post you demonstrate you hate the America that does exist. Your first post consisted entirely of anti American propaganda and with the exception of the bombing of Japan and the use of agent orange, none of it would have been mentioned by anyone who was not an anti American. Your consistent support of countries like Iran, Russia and even Assad's Syria against the US makes it abundantly clear that you are profoundly anti American.

The AMERICA that exists only EXISTS because the US GOVERNMENT....simple as that cupcake. I am anti AMERICAN GOVERNMENT. Deal with it.

I disagree. America still exists because of her core people.

 

[bendog]

The allies did some terrible things during WWII, and if we had lost the war, our leaders would have been tried as war criminals, but you are mistaken to think what we did was anywhere near as horrible as what the Axis did. Furthermore, the criticisms of the US in WWII has been exaggerated by Cold War propaganda and is deeply tainted by racism.

For example, everyone knows about the fire bombing of Dresden and nearly everyone condemns it, but the fire bombing of Tokyo killed more people than the two atom bombs combined, yet one rarely hears it mentioned. Do America's critics think white German lives are more important than yellow Japanese lives?

In any case, it is bizarre to say actions committed by America three generations ago in any way makes us hypocrites for condemning the gas attacks in Syria today.

So it was too long ago. I see. In Korea there was a Massacre of civilians by US troops. Ah probably too long ago too. In Vietnam troops had locals walk ahead of them through minefields. They firebombed villages, and tortured people. Probably too long ago too.

Extraordinary Rendition or kidnapping went on through Reagan and on through today. The UN considers it a Crime against Humanity. The EU fined Poland for participating in the black site prison program.

We may call it enhanced interrogation but the UN calls it Torture. The funny thing is we run to the UN for legal cover when we want to bomb or invade but ignore and denounce the UN when they are critical of our actions. I'd say that qualifies as hypocritical.

We aren't the guys in the White Hats. We like to believe we are. But we aren't. I'm not saying that the other guys are angels and we would be better off if they won. I am saying that we aren't angels either.

Do you see your own hypocrisy? You are condemning past US actions and opposing the condemnation of current atrocities in Syria. Clearly, you are not wearing a white hat, either.

Using the claim of crime against humanity is hypocritical. If that is our standard we should be bombing Langley Virginia to punish the CIA. But it sounds good on the news right?

The Syrian Civil war started with our help and would have ended years ago if we stop supporting the terrorists. That is the truth.

We armed the rebels. We then armed anyone who was against Assad. The reason is we want the Russians out of the Mediterranean Sea. Their only Naval base is in Syria.

Hillary and Obama thought this would be clever and the population would rise up and throw Assad out. They were wrong. Want to see Civillians stop suffering? Stop supporting the terrorists. Assad and the Russians will have it cleaned up in a year.

Assad is a bad guy. But he is no worse and probably more stable than any of the groups opposing him. Either way we have a hostile regime. Only if Assad remain so we have any hope of any moderating influence.

I don't have any delusions of the good guys winning. Libya should have demonstrated this without any doubt. Civil war, slave trading, nothing good has come from removing Quadaffi. But we came, we saw, and he died. Yay team. So there is even more death and suffering. So what? A bad guy is gone and even worse guys are in charge.

I voted for Trump. Part of the reason was Hillary's involvement in starting the Syrian Misadventure.

Even if all that's true, it does nothing to detract from Assad's atrocities or Putin's, or the comparisons to our actions.

OK. Let's pretend. We remove Assad. Then we have a fractured country and the next man in charge tortured and kills civilians. Do we go back and drop more humanitarian bombs? We haven't in Libya. Nor in Somalia. We go in and remove one bad guy and an even worse baddie takes over. But we are done. We did our Humanitarian part right?

That's the problem with this line of thought. If we remove Assad we are responsible for what happens next. Just as we are with Libya.

We never talk about what comes after. We just want a limited goal. Once we have our goal we declare victory and pat ourselves on the back as we cheer our awesomeness.

What comes next matters too. Patting ourselves on the back for making it worse isn't a plan.

I didn't comment on that. I merely commented on the absurdity, and frankly insult to men and women who are willing to die for us, in comparing Assad and Putin's actions to those our country has taken. Not that we're perfect. But even in WWII we only fire bombed when it was the last resort to destroy military targets. It was never just to kill civilians to kill them. The atom bombs resulted in far fewer Japanese being killed than an invasion would have caused, and more importantly somewhere a million US killed and wounded was avoided.

At this point in Syria, I think the reality will be a partition. Iraq is religiously tied to Assad. the Kurds are not, but there's Turkey. And there are still a few anti Assad sunni who are not ISIS

 

[toomuchtime_]

Barry and the democrats raised hell over the Fake News conspiracy Theory that Russia 'hacked the election', demonizing them for doing so - something Barry himself said happens all the time - AFTER Barry had tried to alter 4 nation's governments himself:
- Egypt, an ally: Helped oust Mubarak and replace him with the terrorist Muslim Brotherhood
- Libya: Helped Al Qaeda murder and replace Gaddafi
- Israel, an ally: Used tax dollars to try to oust Netanyahu
- Syria: Made it his foreign policy to inject himself into their civil war / government to oust their President

Great thread....America's cup of hypocrisy floweth over.

ALL US presidents are war criminals since pretty much Wilson onwards. EASILY since Roosevelt on. This is not a partisan issue.

It is not an issue at all. It's pure bullshit. You're not a partisan in the sense of being a Democrat or a Republican, you're just anti American.

Truman shouldn't have dropped those bombs. Human casualties can't trump his "war crime."Nearly 500,000 Purple Heart medals (awarded for combat casualties) were manufactured in anticipation of the casualties resulting from the invasion of Japan; the number exceeded that of all American military casualties of the 65 years following the end of World War II, including the Korean and Vietnam Wars. In 2003, there were still 120,000 of these Purple Heart medals in stock.[101] There were so many left that combat units in Iraq and Afghanistan were able to keep Purple Hearts on hand for immediate award to soldiers wounded in the field.[101]
Operation Downfall - Wikipedia

The fire bombing on Tokyo killed more Japanese civilians than both atomic bombs, yet we rarely hear about that. Why do you suppose that is? Did it take too long to hold the attention of all the people who are so upset about the atom bombs? Visually less striking than giant mushroom clouds?

There are arguments for and against the atom bombs, but if we had had to invade, it is a fair bet our troops slugging their way through Japan would have killed at least as many civilians as two bombs killed. All wars kill civilians. All bombs and artillery shells are wmd if fired near civilian populations. All armies are wmd since in war time they all kill civilians whether by intention or by accident.

 

[toomuchtime_]

It is not an issue at all. It's pure bullshit. You're not a partisan in the sense of being a Democrat or a Republican, you're just anti American.

Um. You should study more history.

Allied war crimes during World War II - Wikipedia

The actions taken by the "allies" during World War II were often as criminal as the actions of the Axis powers. To admit this is not saying that the world would be better off if the Axis had won. It is acknowledging the truth of our history.

Churchill called the fire bombing of Dresden a Terror Bombing. Curtis LeMay said the best thing about the Atomic Bomb was it ended the Fire Bombing of Japanese Cities. Air Marshall Harris admitted that had the Allies lost the war he would have been tried as a war criminal.

Is it unamerican to admit the truth? Or to be patriotic citizens must we spout propaganda that is demonstrably untrue? Again, these things happened. They are proven.

How does it help our nation to deny these things? We can learn from our history or we can repeat it again and again.

The allies did some terrible things during WWII, and if we had lost the war, our leaders would have been tried as war criminals, but you are mistaken to think what we did was anywhere near as horrible as what the Axis did. Furthermore, the criticisms of the US in WWII has been exaggerated by Cold War propaganda and is deeply tainted by racism.

For example, everyone knows about the fire bombing of Dresden and nearly everyone condemns it, but the fire bombing of Tokyo killed more people than the two atom bombs combined, yet one rarely hears it mentioned. Do America's critics think white German lives are more important than yellow Japanese lives?

In any case, it is bizarre to say actions committed by America three generations ago in any way makes us hypocrites for condemning the gas attacks in Syria today.

So it was too long ago. I see. In Korea there was a Massacre of civilians by US troops. Ah probably too long ago too. In Vietnam troops had locals walk ahead of them through minefields. They firebombed villages, and tortured people. Probably too long ago too.

Extraordinary Rendition or kidnapping went on through Reagan and on through today. The UN considers it a Crime against Humanity. The EU fined Poland for participating in the black site prison program.

We may call it enhanced interrogation but the UN calls it Torture. The funny thing is we run to the UN for legal cover when we want to bomb or invade but ignore and denounce the UN when they are critical of our actions. I'd say that qualifies as hypocritical.

We aren't the guys in the White Hats. We like to believe we are. But we aren't. I'm not saying that the other guys are angels and we would be better off if they won. I am saying that we aren't angels either.

Do you see your own hypocrisy? You are condemning past US actions and opposing the condemnation of current atrocities in Syria. Clearly, you are not wearing a white hat, either.

Using the claim of crime against humanity is hypocritical. If that is our standard we should be bombing Langley Virginia to punish the CIA. But it sounds good on the news right?

The Syrian Civil war started with our help and would have ended years ago if we stop supporting the terrorists. That is the truth.

We armed the rebels. We then armed anyone who was against Assad. The reason is we want the Russians out of the Mediterranean Sea. Their only Naval base is in Syria.

Hillary and Obama thought this would be clever and the population would rise up and throw Assad out. They were wrong. Want to see Civillians stop suffering? Stop supporting the terrorists. Assad and the Russians will have it cleaned up in a year.

Assad is a bad guy. But he is no worse and probably more stable than any of the groups opposing him. Either way we have a hostile regime. Only if Assad remain so we have any hope of any moderating influence.

I don't have any delusions of the good guys winning. Libya should have demonstrated this without any doubt. Civil war, slave trading, nothing good has come from removing Quadaffi. But we came, we saw, and he died. Yay team. So there is even more death and suffering. So what? A bad guy is gone and even worse guys are in charge.

I voted for Trump. Part of the reason was Hillary's involvement in starting the Syrian Misadventure.

All bullshit. As much as I despise Clinton and Obama, blaming them for starting this war or keeping it going is just a demonstration of ignorance and stupidity. The war started in 2011 when Assad ordered his troops to open fire on peaceful demonstrators who were demanding help after being made homeless by the creeping eastern desert. No one knows how many the slaughtered but it was enough to have disgusted officers and soldiers of the Syrian army to defect and form a resistance to Assad's savage regime. Assad's response was to bomb the cities and towns in regions the resistance was operating, killing large numbers of civilians. This so horrified and disgusted Sunni Syrians, the majority of the Syrian population and the victims of Assad's atrocities, so that they stopped reporting for conscription into the army when called up. Assad began feeling a manpower shortage and Iran ordered Hezbollah to make up for the Syrians who would no longer fight for Assad; Iran was financing the war, Hezbollah was fighting the war, and it was at this point not a Syrian civil war but a regional conflict between Shia, of which Alawites are a sect, and Sunni.

In addition to Hezbollah, Shi'ite militias from Iraq and as far away as Afghanistan began pouring into Syria to fight on the Shi'ite side, and Sunni states such as Saudi Arabia and Qatar began providing money and weapons to the rebels and encouraging Sunni militias to aid the rebels. In all of this the bumbling US efforts to aid some of the moderate rebels was minuscule. Again, claiming the US started the war and has kept it going by arming the rebels is just a demonstration of ignorance and stupidity.

If you were not quite so bigoted, you would understand the only way the war can end is if Assad leaves. Before Russia started bombing Syria, Assad was losing the war, and if Russia ever stops bombing Assad will start losing again. The Russian bombing will prevent Assad from losing the war, he will never be able to control the eastern part of Syria again, and the war will continue.

You claim to have voted for Trump, but you express nothing but hate and contempt for America, how do you explain that?

 

[SavannahMann]

So it was too long ago. I see. In Korea there was a Massacre of civilians by US troops. Ah probably too long ago too. In Vietnam troops had locals walk ahead of them through minefields. They firebombed villages, and tortured people. Probably too long ago too.

Extraordinary Rendition or kidnapping went on through Reagan and on through today. The UN considers it a Crime against Humanity. The EU fined Poland for participating in the black site prison program.

We may call it enhanced interrogation but the UN calls it Torture. The funny thing is we run to the UN for legal cover when we want to bomb or invade but ignore and denounce the UN when they are critical of our actions. I'd say that qualifies as hypocritical.

We aren't the guys in the White Hats. We like to believe we are. But we aren't. I'm not saying that the other guys are angels and we would be better off if they won. I am saying that we aren't angels either.

Do you see your own hypocrisy? You are condemning past US actions and opposing the condemnation of current atrocities in Syria. Clearly, you are not wearing a white hat, either.

Using the claim of crime against humanity is hypocritical. If that is our standard we should be bombing Langley Virginia to punish the CIA. But it sounds good on the news right?

The Syrian Civil war started with our help and would have ended years ago if we stop supporting the terrorists. That is the truth.

We armed the rebels. We then armed anyone who was against Assad. The reason is we want the Russians out of the Mediterranean Sea. Their only Naval base is in Syria.

Hillary and Obama thought this would be clever and the population would rise up and throw Assad out. They were wrong. Want to see Civillians stop suffering? Stop supporting the terrorists. Assad and the Russians will have it cleaned up in a year.

Assad is a bad guy. But he is no worse and probably more stable than any of the groups opposing him. Either way we have a hostile regime. Only if Assad remain so we have any hope of any moderating influence.

I don't have any delusions of the good guys winning. Libya should have demonstrated this without any doubt. Civil war, slave trading, nothing good has come from removing Quadaffi. But we came, we saw, and he died. Yay team. So there is even more death and suffering. So what? A bad guy is gone and even worse guys are in charge.

I voted for Trump. Part of the reason was Hillary's involvement in starting the Syrian Misadventure.

Even if all that's true, it does nothing to detract from Assad's atrocities or Putin's, or the comparisons to our actions.

OK. Let's pretend. We remove Assad. Then we have a fractured country and the next man in charge tortured and kills civilians. Do we go back and drop more humanitarian bombs? We haven't in Libya. Nor in Somalia. We go in and remove one bad guy and an even worse baddie takes over. But we are done. We did our Humanitarian part right?

That's the problem with this line of thought. If we remove Assad we are responsible for what happens next. Just as we are with Libya.

We never talk about what comes after. We just want a limited goal. Once we have our goal we declare victory and pat ourselves on the back as we cheer our awesomeness.

What comes next matters too. Patting ourselves on the back for making it worse isn't a plan.

I didn't comment on that. I merely commented on the absurdity, and frankly insult to men and women who are willing to die for us, in comparing Assad and Putin's actions to those our country has taken. Not that we're perfect. But even in WWII we only fire bombed when it was the last resort to destroy military targets. It was never just to kill civilians to kill them. The atom bombs resulted in far fewer Japanese being killed than an invasion would have caused, and more importantly somewhere a million US killed and wounded was avoided.

At this point in Syria, I think the reality will be a partition. Iraq is religiously tied to Assad. the Kurds are not, but there's Turkey. And there are still a few anti Assad sunni who are not ISIS

Your knowledge of history is rather lacking. The plan for Dresdin was to kill the rescue workers. The first raid would be followed by a second raid three hours later just as rescue operations would be in full swing. The raid was delayed until the weather was considered perfect for the firestorm that was envisioned. The Memo to the British airmen who carried out the attack listed impressing upon the Russians the capability of British Airpower as one of the goals.

Was killing rescue workers of military necessity? Explain how impressing the Russians aided in defeating the Nazi's.

As for those who fight and risk death for this nation. You are welcome. I served nine years in the US Army including four years with the 82nd Airborne Division. Speaking as a soldier I can say I was and am willing to risk my life to defend the nation. However there is no strategic value to deposing Assad. Contrary to the fiction there is no such thing as a moderate jihadist.

I don't hate the country. I want it to be better than it is. Before we can improve we have to honestly assess where we are. Building upon a foundation of propaganda does nothing but take us further down a road we have no business being on in the first place.

Oh and the civil war would have had a hard time getting going without the weapons we provided the so called moderate jihadist forces.

CIA 'running arms smuggling team in Benghazi when consulate was attacked'

You want to believe we have, and continue to do the right thing. We haven't. We may be less bad but is that what we stand for?

 

[toomuchtime_]

Do you see your own hypocrisy? You are condemning past US actions and opposing the condemnation of current atrocities in Syria. Clearly, you are not wearing a white hat, either.

Using the claim of crime against humanity is hypocritical. If that is our standard we should be bombing Langley Virginia to punish the CIA. But it sounds good on the news right?

The Syrian Civil war started with our help and would have ended years ago if we stop supporting the terrorists. That is the truth.

We armed the rebels. We then armed anyone who was against Assad. The reason is we want the Russians out of the Mediterranean Sea. Their only Naval base is in Syria.

Hillary and Obama thought this would be clever and the population would rise up and throw Assad out. They were wrong. Want to see Civillians stop suffering? Stop supporting the terrorists. Assad and the Russians will have it cleaned up in a year.

Assad is a bad guy. But he is no worse and probably more stable than any of the groups opposing him. Either way we have a hostile regime. Only if Assad remain so we have any hope of any moderating influence.

I don't have any delusions of the good guys winning. Libya should have demonstrated this without any doubt. Civil war, slave trading, nothing good has come from removing Quadaffi. But we came, we saw, and he died. Yay team. So there is even more death and suffering. So what? A bad guy is gone and even worse guys are in charge.

I voted for Trump. Part of the reason was Hillary's involvement in starting the Syrian Misadventure.

Even if all that's true, it does nothing to detract from Assad's atrocities or Putin's, or the comparisons to our actions.

OK. Let's pretend. We remove Assad. Then we have a fractured country and the next man in charge tortured and kills civilians. Do we go back and drop more humanitarian bombs? We haven't in Libya. Nor in Somalia. We go in and remove one bad guy and an even worse baddie takes over. But we are done. We did our Humanitarian part right?

That's the problem with this line of thought. If we remove Assad we are responsible for what happens next. Just as we are with Libya.

We never talk about what comes after. We just want a limited goal. Once we have our goal we declare victory and pat ourselves on the back as we cheer our awesomeness.

What comes next matters too. Patting ourselves on the back for making it worse isn't a plan.

I didn't comment on that. I merely commented on the absurdity, and frankly insult to men and women who are willing to die for us, in comparing Assad and Putin's actions to those our country has taken. Not that we're perfect. But even in WWII we only fire bombed when it was the last resort to destroy military targets. It was never just to kill civilians to kill them. The atom bombs resulted in far fewer Japanese being killed than an invasion would have caused, and more importantly somewhere a million US killed and wounded was avoided.

At this point in Syria, I think the reality will be a partition. Iraq is religiously tied to Assad. the Kurds are not, but there's Turkey. And there are still a few anti Assad sunni who are not ISIS

Your knowledge of history is rather lacking. The plan for Dresdin was to kill the rescue workers. The first raid would be followed by a second raid three hours later just as rescue operations would be in full swing. The raid was delayed until the weather was considered perfect for the firestorm that was envisioned. The Memo to the British airmen who carried out the attack listed impressing upon the Russians the capability of British Airpower as one of the goals.

Was killing rescue workers of military necessity? Explain how impressing the Russians aided in defeating the Nazi's.

As for those who fight and risk death for this nation. You are welcome. I served nine years in the US Army including four years with the 82nd Airborne Division. Speaking as a soldier I can say I was and am willing to risk my life to defend the nation. However there is no strategic value to deposing Assad. Contrary to the fiction there is no such thing as a moderate jihadist.

I don't hate the country. I want it to be better than it is. Before we can improve we have to honestly assess where we are. Building upon a foundation of propaganda does nothing but take us further down a road we have no business being on in the first place.

Oh and the civil war would have had a hard time getting going without the weapons we provided the so called moderate jihadist forces.

CIA 'running arms smuggling team in Benghazi when consulate was attacked'

You want to believe we have, and continue to do the right thing. We haven't. We may be less bad but is that what we stand for?

And now on top of all the things, real and imaginary you think the US did, you want us to ignore, essentially endorse Assad's atrocities. If the US is as evil as you claim, how evil does that make you?

 

[SavannahMann]

Using the claim of crime against humanity is hypocritical. If that is our standard we should be bombing Langley Virginia to punish the CIA. But it sounds good on the news right?

The Syrian Civil war started with our help and would have ended years ago if we stop supporting the terrorists. That is the truth.

We armed the rebels. We then armed anyone who was against Assad. The reason is we want the Russians out of the Mediterranean Sea. Their only Naval base is in Syria.

Hillary and Obama thought this would be clever and the population would rise up and throw Assad out. They were wrong. Want to see Civillians stop suffering? Stop supporting the terrorists. Assad and the Russians will have it cleaned up in a year.

Assad is a bad guy. But he is no worse and probably more stable than any of the groups opposing him. Either way we have a hostile regime. Only if Assad remain so we have any hope of any moderating influence.

I don't have any delusions of the good guys winning. Libya should have demonstrated this without any doubt. Civil war, slave trading, nothing good has come from removing Quadaffi. But we came, we saw, and he died. Yay team. So there is even more death and suffering. So what? A bad guy is gone and even worse guys are in charge.

I voted for Trump. Part of the reason was Hillary's involvement in starting the Syrian Misadventure.

Even if all that's true, it does nothing to detract from Assad's atrocities or Putin's, or the comparisons to our actions.

OK. Let's pretend. We remove Assad. Then we have a fractured country and the next man in charge tortured and kills civilians. Do we go back and drop more humanitarian bombs? We haven't in Libya. Nor in Somalia. We go in and remove one bad guy and an even worse baddie takes over. But we are done. We did our Humanitarian part right?

That's the problem with this line of thought. If we remove Assad we are responsible for what happens next. Just as we are with Libya.

We never talk about what comes after. We just want a limited goal. Once we have our goal we declare victory and pat ourselves on the back as we cheer our awesomeness.

What comes next matters too. Patting ourselves on the back for making it worse isn't a plan.

I didn't comment on that. I merely commented on the absurdity, and frankly insult to men and women who are willing to die for us, in comparing Assad and Putin's actions to those our country has taken. Not that we're perfect. But even in WWII we only fire bombed when it was the last resort to destroy military targets. It was never just to kill civilians to kill them. The atom bombs resulted in far fewer Japanese being killed than an invasion would have caused, and more importantly somewhere a million US killed and wounded was avoided.

At this point in Syria, I think the reality will be a partition. Iraq is religiously tied to Assad. the Kurds are not, but there's Turkey. And there are still a few anti Assad sunni who are not ISIS

Your knowledge of history is rather lacking. The plan for Dresdin was to kill the rescue workers. The first raid would be followed by a second raid three hours later just as rescue operations would be in full swing. The raid was delayed until the weather was considered perfect for the firestorm that was envisioned. The Memo to the British airmen who carried out the attack listed impressing upon the Russians the capability of British Airpower as one of the goals.

Was killing rescue workers of military necessity? Explain how impressing the Russians aided in defeating the Nazi's.

As for those who fight and risk death for this nation. You are welcome. I served nine years in the US Army including four years with the 82nd Airborne Division. Speaking as a soldier I can say I was and am willing to risk my life to defend the nation. However there is no strategic value to deposing Assad. Contrary to the fiction there is no such thing as a moderate jihadist.

I don't hate the country. I want it to be better than it is. Before we can improve we have to honestly assess where we are. Building upon a foundation of propaganda does nothing but take us further down a road we have no business being on in the first place.

Oh and the civil war would have had a hard time getting going without the weapons we provided the so called moderate jihadist forces.

CIA 'running arms smuggling team in Benghazi when consulate was attacked'

You want to believe we have, and continue to do the right thing. We haven't. We may be less bad but is that what we stand for?

And now on top of all the things, real and imaginary you think the US did, you want us to ignore, essentially endorse Assad's atrocities. If the US is as evil as you claim, how evil does that make you?

Tell me why Syria is so awful we have to act but Nigeria, Somalia, Myanmar, Libya, and dozens of others aren't worthy of our attention?

There is no shortage of suffering. Ethnic cleansing will happen again this year. Women and girls will be raped. Children will be murdered. What makes Syrian children more worthy of our attention than the kids in Libya? Where are the humanitarian bombs for the ethnic minority in Myanmar?

The war in Syria would have ended years ago if we were not supplying the terrorists with weapons and advisors. Or at least would be minor and contained.

Let's be honest for a moment. Assad and the Russians are going to win sooner or later without far more active roles for our military. In other words deploying us troops for combat in Syria. The group we support, the FSA is the smallest of the "Rebel" factions. They have exactly zero chance of winning. If Assad falls, ISIS or Nursa Front, the Al Queda group in Syria will win. That would not be good for the Syrians, the region, or us. Assad is bad, they are worse.

Now, let's pretend we go in with divisions of troops and conquer the country and don't end up in a shooting war with the Russians. I'm not sure how that happens, our plan for that seems to be the idea that the Russians would not dare fight us. Personally, I think they would dare. But let's pretend that the Russians slink home terrified of our troops and we take the country. Then what? The war against ISIS and Nursa Front means the same civilians we are beating our breast about now get bombed by us and written off as collateral damage in our fight.

We won't stay for years or decades which is what would be needed. Like Iraq we will declare victory and leave and the crap would start up again.

Assad is bad. I have never said anything else. There is no great democratic light that hopes to give power to the people. It is just more dictators with dreams of power over the masses. They are all at least as bad as Assad, and again honestly speaking here, much worse.